Pokemon is literally the same game over and over, I hugely regretted my purchase of pokemon x cause it was literally a cloned game with barely any new features. It’s probably Nintendo’s most effective cash cow in terms of effort to capital reward.
I jumped through a couple hoops to get Pokemon Infinite Fusion working on my Steam Deck & I’ve been having a blast slapping shit together to see how fucked up it looks.
Cleffa + Geodude made me giggle for a good 5 minutes.
It is literally the biggest money maker in the world. The games sell about 3/5 as many copies as COD with a tiny fraction of the budget. And then they sell even more in merch. And there are people (like me in the past) that buy Nintendo consoles just for those games.
That doesn’t contradict what they said. It being popular says nothing about quality, variety, or effort. In fact, it may be counter to them, as your example of CoD indicates.
Good! I couldn’t tell. I thought it could be an appeal to popularity saying they’re good games because they sell well, not they sell well regardless of them being repetitive.
X and Y introduced Mega Evolution, arguably one of the greatest iterative improvements in Pokémon.
With the upcoming Pokémon Legends: Z-A in 2025, I’m thinking about replaying X and Y.
Scarlet and Violet were so disappointing that I too am hesitant about future Pokémon games. But I’ll keep my eyes and ears peeled to see how their upcoming games are. I no longer am a day one buyer of Pokémon games, after being burned badly on the rushed Scarlet/Violet games.
The ROG Crate software is actually pretty good. It’s not perfect but I rarely have to interact with Windows at all and once you get used to the controls when doing so not all that bad. And I dislike Windows a lot, but if I feel that it’s mostly a non issue. I wouldn’t go for a SteamOS version either, as I like Gamepass.
Right? I’ve seen a lot of people on Reddit shitting on it and I for the life of me can’t understand why. The only big issue imo is the lack of a proper sleep mode. Hopefully Microsoft addresses this issue when/if they truly build a handheld windows experience.
And yep, I’ll stick with Gamepass until enshitification runs its course. When it does then I’ll switch to SteamOS. But for now the service is still great for me.
I switched to Linux probably about two years ago. I was annoyed that GamePass didn’t work (because MS specifically handles it in a way to make it not work). Then I just stopped caring. If I want to try a game, there’s other ways to (🏴☠️). MS specifically created their software to not work where I want to be, so they don’t deserve my money. I’m not going to pay my captor to keep me there. I’d happily pay for it again, but they need to meet me where I want to be, and they easily can if they choose to.
Can they though? Isn’t the responsibility of porting games to Linux that of the developer? They could create a Gamepass for Linux but that would probably entail more money spent on licensing that platform, and funding ports which they certainly have no economic incentive to do.
That being said, they seem really committed to their “everything is an Xbox” strategy so it would not surprise me terribly if they ended teaming up with Valve at some point and created some kind of Gamepass on Steam thing, where you can play Gamepass games directly from steam or something, which would presumably also include the MacOS and Linux versions of the game if they are available.
GamePass doesn’t work because it uses a proprietary encryption method for all the games. It’s why you can’t mod them (unless explicitly allowed by MS, which then decrypts the files to be modified). The games almost all work perfectly well on Linux. It’s specifically an issue with the GamePass platform, which was designed by MS to only work on Windows. It’s MS making the choice to not allow it to work anywhere else.
That’s a fair question which I have to cut a little short due to it being a huge topic:
The overhead of a full blown operating system you have to maintain is not a trivial thing. You have to update and maintain os, drivers and applications at least and it’s directed at all purpose use in general. That means all of the above and games might or might not fit well to a handheld device.
Even if it’s maintained by a third party (eg Asus) there are many many moving parts that are all purpose.
This might be a dialog box with unaccessible options you have to work around or games not working with the controls you need to fix and might never (for me steredenn on steam deck).
You can however literally do what you want with it.
Compared to this a console is an optimized experience, golden cage. Things just work. Yes there might be the off chance but in general the producer has a system. 100% under their control and can test and optimize very well, which Nintendo debatably does.
The Pokemon games all being the same caused me to get bored of them years ago. And now with them suing Palworld for ‘capturing monsters with an object and summoning them in 3d space’, a patent made after Palworld released their trailer, I find the Nintendo brand actively harmful to the state of gaming.
They actively become easier and shorter every generation. Arceus brought a lot of cool stuff into the series and there was a little bit of hope that things would improve only for them to go back to the stale old formula that wouldn’t be as bad if the games weren’t so easy now that you could beat them by mashing A. I know it’s for kids but damn, the old games were somewhat challenging.
It had worth to me, as someone who was stuck in a place where it was unacceptable to watch a video but was acceptable instead to read a summary quietly.
The summary of the article isn’t even good. It buries the info in a bunch of other useless information, probably to increase word count and SEO. They could have included pictures from the video, too, but didn’t.
I plan on buying just the console (which they usually lose money on anyways), and then leaving it in the box not connected to the Internet until a mod chip comes out.
I don’t think Nintendo loses money on their consoles. With the original switch, and this switch 2, they specifically went with old and slow hardware to ensure the margins work out.
TL;DR: 12GB of RAM, GPU that’s roughly on par with the Steam Deck. It’s not the most powerful handheld out there but surprisingly not bad for Nintendo standards.
I wonder if they’ve fallen into the same trap with not making the console powerful enough. The first switch was also not that powerful when it came out, and it’s really struggled in the end of its lifecycle. A lot of first party releases in the last couple years run like complete shit. They probably missed an opportunity here to stash an eGPU in the dock to provide a more modern experience while playing on the big screen.
Especially considering it has access to DLSS, I‘m looking forward to see what Nintendo‘s first party studios can cook up with these specs. But I‘m waiting for the OLED model sometime in the future.
…when comparing TFLOPs, and that’s not comparable across architectures (by different companies as well!).
If we take similar-performing (in rasterization) Ampere and RDNA 2 cards (say a 3080 and 6800 XT), we can see the 3080 has 29.77 TFLOPs and the 6800 XT has 20.74 TFLOPs, an RDNA 2 FLOP is worth about 1.4x as much as an Ampere FLOP.
So extrapolating the 1.6 “RDNA 2 TFLOPs” of the Deck we get 2.24 “Ampere TFLOPs” and that’d make the Deck quite a bit faster than the Switch 2 in portable mode, but slower than the Switch 2 in docked mode.
This is obviously all just wild and silly speculation, but I doubt the Switch 2 will match the Deck in portable mode. Samsung 8nm would just eat too much power for this to realistically happen in a handheld form factor.
Interesting, since we now know the size I would not have expected it to be on-par roughly with the Deck while being so much thinner and a bit smaller. Hrm.
They wanna make it very clear that this is their best-selling console ever but better, I would‘ve been surprised if they didn‘t just slap a 2 on it. There‘s so much riding on this for them.
I don’t think Nintendo have ever done a Console 2 before though. I was hoping for Super Switch but as ever Nintendo absolutely refuse to be predictable!
Yeah, I get that, I was just trying to say that the above is probably their reasoning in my mind. They‘re scared shitless to fuck the transition up, calling it „The Stuff You Guys Loved 2.0“ is the lowest risk move.
It ought to have been, considering how much games struggle on the first switch lately. This will have the same problem otherwise, 2-3 years into its lifecycle it will be begging for death while the PS5/XSX are still chugging along.
Unlikely, Nintendo probably isn’t bothered to boost the graphics beyond the switch 2’s onboard GPU. Nintendo doesn’t really care about graphics so I’d be surprised if it had an eGPU.
Could make an interesting pricier addon for down the line. Like the release version is just a dock but later on they release an egpu dock that you have to buy separately.
That would complicate things in a pretty non console way, especially counter to Nintendo that hasn’t tried to match competitor console performance since the GameCube.
If it’s anything like how the Wii was basically a GameCube it may not even be all that hard to rework existing switch emulators to work with switch 2 games. Given that it’s going to have full back compat I bet that’s why they went after switch emus so hard. They wanted to halt development as much as possible for as long as possible so it doesn’t eat away at their switch 2 sales.
I recall reading something about Nintendo wanting to include Denuvo in the Switch 2. Will be interesting to see whether or not this one’s games and consoles are cracked wide open as readily as before.
In theory the old joy cons could still connect to the system via bluetooth, just not attach to the console itself. So maybe that keeps Ring Fit in play for the system.
If that’s the case you wouldn’t be able to charge them, though? I don’t think you can charge them without connecting to a console (or a third party charging dock I guess)
I wonder if that and/or Labo might be what they meant by the disclaimer that backwards compatibility might not support all titles. Since it’s built around old Joy-Cons, might not work with new ones, unless the Switch 2 can just use original Joy-Cons.
Could also be an excuse for Ring Fit 2 built around new Joy-Cons.
I think the “Switch Pro” would be the OLED model as an upgrade of the original. This thing looks brand new even if it shares a lot of similarity to the original.
Can’t help but be a little disappointed. The last few consoles have all been pretty drastically different, but this is just the Switch released again. Only with different connections so you need all new accessories.
Nintendo collapsed its console and handheld product lines for the Switch. We’re also seeing large parts of the gaming industry adopt the Switch form factor for their products. I don’t think there is anything that Nintendo could innovate on that would sell.
Yeah with Nintendo watching two Xboxes languish and consumer discontent with the recent playstations as well, there’s not a real impetus for something radical in design. Some innovation would be exciting but the Switch and PC Handhelds prove people want big grippy mobile devices, even if they’re only moving between rooms.
I mean that’s not what I want, but money talks and I fit into exactly what you said. I did not buy an Xbox, I did but a PS5, but hardly bought (I don’t think I’ve even beaten) any games. The next switch is probably the next console I’m excited about. But it’s not because of the portability, it’s because they still make couch co-op games.
In short I want to say I don’t care for handhelds but I’ll probably try harder to get a switch close to release than I will a PS6 even though I don’t know how much of a point in either right now. I just have console fatigue, but keep paying into the problem.
Nintendo consoles tended to be radical, Nintendo handhelds were more iterative.
The Game Boy and DS lines all built gradually on each other, seems the Switch line is following suit. I assume Nintendo see the Switch as a handheld that can be docked, rather than a console that’s also portable, so I guess it makes sense that it’s following a similar trajectory of previous handheld lines.
I feel like Nintendo does a huge innovation, then an iteration or two(or a bunch of little changes), then back to a big change. Wii/WiiU, GB/GBA, DS/3DS, switch/2
You’d need all new accessories anyway with a complete redesign.
I’ve bought every Nintendo console up until the Wii U. Since they abandoned that early, I decided to skip the Switch. I’ll likely pick this up. If this doesn’t do well and gets abandoned early again, I’ll at least get to play all the games I’ve missed over the years due to backwards compatibility.
At the same time, the Switch is such a solid console that a hardware upgrade with full backwards compatibility* is really the best case scenario. People have wanted a bigger screen, better chip, and better joysticks since launch, and now we’ll have them!
*the video says it’s not 100% compatible, but I’m assuming that’s for stuff like Labo and Ring Fit that need those exact joycon sizes/shapes.
Yeah, I guess I was just hoping for more of a new generation type reveal, rather than a sequel to the Switch. Better hardware is definitely a plus though, would be nice to replay TotK or Pokemon SV with better graphics & performance. I still wonder if those two games were meant to release alongside a Switch 2 prior to the chip shortage.
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Cool for Nintendo fans but the ROG Ally has changed the game for me. I’ll miss Pokémon but they haven’t been good in a while so whatever.
Pokemon is literally the same game over and over, I hugely regretted my purchase of pokemon x cause it was literally a cloned game with barely any new features. It’s probably Nintendo’s most effective cash cow in terms of effort to capital reward.
Sub in literally any Nintendo franchise and it’s the same problem, but Nintendo fans don’t care.
I jumped through a couple hoops to get Pokemon Infinite Fusion working on my Steam Deck & I’ve been having a blast slapping shit together to see how fucked up it looks.
Cleffa + Geodude made me giggle for a good 5 minutes.
It is literally the biggest money maker in the world. The games sell about 3/5 as many copies as COD with a tiny fraction of the budget. And then they sell even more in merch. And there are people (like me in the past) that buy Nintendo consoles just for those games.
That doesn’t contradict what they said. It being popular says nothing about quality, variety, or effort. In fact, it may be counter to them, as your example of CoD indicates.
I wasn’t trying to contradict them??
Good! I couldn’t tell. I thought it could be an appeal to popularity saying they’re good games because they sell well, not they sell well regardless of them being repetitive.
X and Y introduced Mega Evolution, arguably one of the greatest iterative improvements in Pokémon.
With the upcoming Pokémon Legends: Z-A in 2025, I’m thinking about replaying X and Y.
Scarlet and Violet were so disappointing that I too am hesitant about future Pokémon games. But I’ll keep my eyes and ears peeled to see how their upcoming games are. I no longer am a day one buyer of Pokémon games, after being burned badly on the rushed Scarlet/Violet games.
The fact that Mega Evolutions are one of the greatest iterative improvements speaks to how stale it is.
X&Y were awful though
Well Windows is a no for me on that. And while the steam deck is nice and the OS runs on the ally too, it’s still a pc with all it’s pros and cons.
(I use both worlds BTW)
The ROG Crate software is actually pretty good. It’s not perfect but I rarely have to interact with Windows at all and once you get used to the controls when doing so not all that bad. And I dislike Windows a lot, but if I feel that it’s mostly a non issue. I wouldn’t go for a SteamOS version either, as I like Gamepass.
Gamepass is the one reason I can’t switch. I’m with you on the crate software, pretty damn impressive.
Right? I’ve seen a lot of people on Reddit shitting on it and I for the life of me can’t understand why. The only big issue imo is the lack of a proper sleep mode. Hopefully Microsoft addresses this issue when/if they truly build a handheld windows experience.
And yep, I’ll stick with Gamepass until enshitification runs its course. When it does then I’ll switch to SteamOS. But for now the service is still great for me.
I switched to Linux probably about two years ago. I was annoyed that GamePass didn’t work (because MS specifically handles it in a way to make it not work). Then I just stopped caring. If I want to try a game, there’s other ways to (🏴☠️). MS specifically created their software to not work where I want to be, so they don’t deserve my money. I’m not going to pay my captor to keep me there. I’d happily pay for it again, but they need to meet me where I want to be, and they easily can if they choose to.
Can they though? Isn’t the responsibility of porting games to Linux that of the developer? They could create a Gamepass for Linux but that would probably entail more money spent on licensing that platform, and funding ports which they certainly have no economic incentive to do.
That being said, they seem really committed to their “everything is an Xbox” strategy so it would not surprise me terribly if they ended teaming up with Valve at some point and created some kind of Gamepass on Steam thing, where you can play Gamepass games directly from steam or something, which would presumably also include the MacOS and Linux versions of the game if they are available.
GamePass doesn’t work because it uses a proprietary encryption method for all the games. It’s why you can’t mod them (unless explicitly allowed by MS, which then decrypts the files to be modified). The games almost all work perfectly well on Linux. It’s specifically an issue with the GamePass platform, which was designed by MS to only work on Windows. It’s MS making the choice to not allow it to work anywhere else.
What are the pros and cons you’re considering, and how do they compare to the pros and cons of a Nintendo console?
That’s a fair question which I have to cut a little short due to it being a huge topic:
The overhead of a full blown operating system you have to maintain is not a trivial thing. You have to update and maintain os, drivers and applications at least and it’s directed at all purpose use in general. That means all of the above and games might or might not fit well to a handheld device. Even if it’s maintained by a third party (eg Asus) there are many many moving parts that are all purpose. This might be a dialog box with unaccessible options you have to work around or games not working with the controls you need to fix and might never (for me steredenn on steam deck). You can however literally do what you want with it.
Compared to this a console is an optimized experience, golden cage. Things just work. Yes there might be the off chance but in general the producer has a system. 100% under their control and can test and optimize very well, which Nintendo debatably does.
You mean like how Steam does with the Steam Deck?
Consoles these days are basically just PCs with limited development criteria. But a much much narrower library.
Yes you’re right, in a way. I have much respect for valve for that.
However the ‘non streamlinedness’ is hidden there. It’s not a closed system like a console.
palworld is great
I can play them on my Steam Deck. Just fyi.
Oh I know, I’m just not a big fan of sailing the seas these days. But I might just give it a go with the ones I own just to see how they run.
The Pokemon games all being the same caused me to get bored of them years ago. And now with them suing Palworld for ‘capturing monsters with an object and summoning them in 3d space’, a patent made after Palworld released their trailer, I find the Nintendo brand actively harmful to the state of gaming.
They actively become easier and shorter every generation. Arceus brought a lot of cool stuff into the series and there was a little bit of hope that things would improve only for them to go back to the stale old formula that wouldn’t be as bad if the games weren’t so easy now that you could beat them by mashing A. I know it’s for kids but damn, the old games were somewhat challenging.
The old games were beaten by a Twitch chat sending little more than random inputs to the game. Maybe the newer ones are worse, but let’s be real.
The new ones are either flat open spaces or lines.
The 2D games at least had spaces to explore rather than just run forwards.
Like I said, somewhat challenging. The new ones are brain dead easy.
Retro compatibilty probably powered by Yuzu ?
Powered by being the same as the Switch + whatever anti-Piracy they put it
Like how the PS5 can play pirated PS4 games but can’t play pirated PS5 games
The PS5 can play pirated PS4 games? That’s badass.
This blog post is worthless. A direct link to the official video announcement would be better.
https://youtu.be/itpcsQQvgAQ
It had worth to me, as someone who was stuck in a place where it was unacceptable to watch a video but was acceptable instead to read a summary quietly.
Mute the video?
There’s also this
The summary of the article isn’t even good. It buries the info in a bunch of other useless information, probably to increase word count and SEO. They could have included pictures from the video, too, but didn’t.
Just curious, why was it unacceptable to watch the video?
It was early morning at jury selection, and I did not bring headphones with me.
I can see how it would be a little awkward at jury selection lol
However the video just has some generic sounding apple-esque marketing music and no talking so no headphones required!
I couldn’t know that until I got home, and this article summarized everything just fine as well as embedding the source video in it.
Will this still play switch 1 games? (Physical cartridges)
From TFA:
Yes
Lol. I did put my money on “barely distinguishable from the Switch 1, maybe bigger”. I guess I win the betting pool.
I’m mainly happy because I didn’t want to be tempted to support Nintendo’s lawsuit happy asses, anyway.
If they ever release a Virtual Boy Mini, my conscience will never recover from my own hypocrisy, though.
Congratulations on your personal betting pool. Wishing you the best.
I will be buying one.
I plan on buying just the console (which they usually lose money on anyways), and then leaving it in the box not connected to the Internet until a mod chip comes out.
Ooh. I like that. Ethical, and fun!
I don’t think Nintendo loses money on their consoles. With the original switch, and this switch 2, they specifically went with old and slow hardware to ensure the margins work out.
Was kinda hoping for specs. I like the design upgrade, though.
Much like the rest of the announcement, the specs actually got leaked a few days earlier: https://thegamepost.com/nintendo-switch-2-full-specs-appears-to-have-leaked/
TL;DR: 12GB of RAM, GPU that’s roughly on par with the Steam Deck. It’s not the most powerful handheld out there but surprisingly not bad for Nintendo standards.
No wonder they successfully stopped ongoing development of switch emulation on steam deck.
I wonder if they’ve fallen into the same trap with not making the console powerful enough. The first switch was also not that powerful when it came out, and it’s really struggled in the end of its lifecycle. A lot of first party releases in the last couple years run like complete shit. They probably missed an opportunity here to stash an eGPU in the dock to provide a more modern experience while playing on the big screen.
That hardly seems necessary when the rumored specs have the the GPU nearly doubling in speed and memory bandwidth when it’s docked
Ah, missed that. Okay, if the GPU clock is stepped up that much on power then maybe it will be alright!
Especially considering it has access to DLSS, I‘m looking forward to see what Nintendo‘s first party studios can cook up with these specs. But I‘m waiting for the OLED model sometime in the future.
…when comparing TFLOPs, and that’s not comparable across architectures (by different companies as well!).
If we take similar-performing (in rasterization) Ampere and RDNA 2 cards (say a 3080 and 6800 XT), we can see the 3080 has 29.77 TFLOPs and the 6800 XT has 20.74 TFLOPs, an RDNA 2 FLOP is worth about 1.4x as much as an Ampere FLOP.
So extrapolating the 1.6 “RDNA 2 TFLOPs” of the Deck we get 2.24 “Ampere TFLOPs” and that’d make the Deck quite a bit faster than the Switch 2 in portable mode, but slower than the Switch 2 in docked mode.
This is obviously all just wild and silly speculation, but I doubt the Switch 2 will match the Deck in portable mode. Samsung 8nm would just eat too much power for this to realistically happen in a handheld form factor.
Wow, Nintendo really stepped up the game here.
Interesting, since we now know the size I would not have expected it to be on-par roughly with the Deck while being so much thinner and a bit smaller. Hrm.
So much for Nintendo’s previous naming conventions. I was really hoping for the New Super Nintendo Switch U.
New Super Mario Bros U2 Deluxe & Knuckles
…Cube 128
They wanna make it very clear that this is their best-selling console ever but better, I would‘ve been surprised if they didn‘t just slap a 2 on it. There‘s so much riding on this for them.
Well they did just slap a 3 onto the DS
And then called the second gen 3DS the “New 3DS”.
Plus it’s an actual straight upgrade, what with backwards compatibility and all.
Partial backwards compatibility, based on their asterisk, at least.
That’s probably only referring to games like labo and ring fit
Yeah it’s going to be the same as PS4 on PS5. The disclaimer is on every game.
I don’t think Nintendo have ever done a Console 2 before though. I was hoping for Super Switch but as ever Nintendo absolutely refuse to be predictable!
Yeah, I get that, I was just trying to say that the above is probably their reasoning in my mind. They‘re scared shitless to fuck the transition up, calling it „The Stuff You Guys Loved 2.0“ is the lowest risk move.
I like your Super Switch though lol
I guess they really did learn from the WiiU!
Don’t worry, I’m reading your sarcasm.
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I’m sure it was considered, but a console nicknamed SS was probably ruled out.
I don’t think the Sega Saturn was particularly popular with neonazis
I think you’d be surprised, Hitler The Dolphin was one of the best selling games of the era
Hmmm what about the Sega MASTER system?
You mean the company known for titles like Sega Bass Fishing and Virtua Cop? Whose company color is blue? Yeah, they’re not even subtle.
To be fair, it wasn’t especially popular with anyone.
I’d forgotten about the Sega Saturn. My only Sega console was the Genesis.
I think that’s still the DS. The Switch got close, but didn’t beat it, and now that attention is on the Switch2, it probably won’t.
Super Nintendo Switch 128 Dodecahedron V.
& Knuckles
Starring Dante from the Devil May Cry series
They got scared after what happened with the Wii U.
The new 3ds was very confusing too
Yeah, everyone always brings up the Wii U but the whole “New” 3DS situation was even less clear if you ask me
Then you add in the 2DS which came out after the 3DS.
I was hoping for the Swiitch
I’ll be waiting for the swivtch
It occurred to me that this is the first time Nintendo has ever not used some new weird naming convention for a successor console. Just 2.
I’d buy a Nintendo Switchety-Four in a heartbeat
Thoroughly whelmed
It is a video game console that I have ever seen.
My question is the dock an eGPU?
It ought to have been, considering how much games struggle on the first switch lately. This will have the same problem otherwise, 2-3 years into its lifecycle it will be begging for death while the PS5/XSX are still chugging along.
Considering what the SteamDeck can provide already…Not really
If anything they put some better upscaling into it.
Almost certainly not
Unlikely, Nintendo probably isn’t bothered to boost the graphics beyond the switch 2’s onboard GPU. Nintendo doesn’t really care about graphics so I’d be surprised if it had an eGPU.
Could make an interesting pricier addon for down the line. Like the release version is just a dock but later on they release an egpu dock that you have to buy separately.
The current Switch still selling as much as it does proves that performance doesn’t really matter.
That would complicate things in a pretty non console way, especially counter to Nintendo that hasn’t tried to match competitor console performance since the GameCube.
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If it’s anything like how the Wii was basically a GameCube it may not even be all that hard to rework existing switch emulators to work with switch 2 games. Given that it’s going to have full back compat I bet that’s why they went after switch emus so hard. They wanted to halt development as much as possible for as long as possible so it doesn’t eat away at their switch 2 sales.
I recall reading something about Nintendo wanting to include Denuvo in the Switch 2. Will be interesting to see whether or not this one’s games and consoles are cracked wide open as readily as before.
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Yes!!! I hops Ring Fit is backwards compatible!
In theory the old joy cons could still connect to the system via bluetooth, just not attach to the console itself. So maybe that keeps Ring Fit in play for the system.
If that’s the case you wouldn’t be able to charge them, though? I don’t think you can charge them without connecting to a console (or a third party charging dock I guess)
Correct.
I would like to think you could pair old joycons to it in a pinch since outside of that new button on the right joycon they look exactly the same.
But, yeah, when it runs out of juice you’d have to stick them back on the old switch or use a third party charger.
But we’ll see, for sure.
I wonder if that and/or Labo might be what they meant by the disclaimer that backwards compatibility might not support all titles. Since it’s built around old Joy-Cons, might not work with new ones, unless the Switch 2 can just use original Joy-Cons.
Could also be an excuse for Ring Fit 2 built around new Joy-Cons.
Nintendo Switch 2 such a bad name
Well it is at least not a “New Switch” like they did with the “New 3DS” back then.
My favorite name was “New Super Mario Bros. 2”. What a mess.
Even better knowing it was the third or fourth game in that series
It works for Sony.
It’s works, but it’s boring
Well not only is that their 5th iteration but also named after the amount of games they’ve produced this gen.
Why would the keep this right joystick sooooooo low! I can’t play the switch.
Kontrol Freak has entered the chat.
? It’s never seemed notably low to me. Also I think they want it to be usable sideways
I’m an og Nintendo hype veteran from the days of N64. This is the first where I ignored all the rumors. I am not impressed also not disappointed.
It’s kind of wild seeing Nintendo just make an upgraded version of the previous console. Even the Wii U was fairly transformative, even if not great.
This, from the perspective of someone who isn’t huge on Nintendo, kinda feels more like a “Switch Pro” kind of thing, no?
I think the “Switch Pro” would be the OLED model as an upgrade of the original. This thing looks brand new even if it shares a lot of similarity to the original.
Can’t help but be a little disappointed. The last few consoles have all been pretty drastically different, but this is just the Switch released again. Only with different connections so you need all new accessories.
Nintendo collapsed its console and handheld product lines for the Switch. We’re also seeing large parts of the gaming industry adopt the Switch form factor for their products. I don’t think there is anything that Nintendo could innovate on that would sell.
Yeah with Nintendo watching two Xboxes languish and consumer discontent with the recent playstations as well, there’s not a real impetus for something radical in design. Some innovation would be exciting but the Switch and PC Handhelds prove people want big grippy mobile devices, even if they’re only moving between rooms.
I mean that’s not what I want, but money talks and I fit into exactly what you said. I did not buy an Xbox, I did but a PS5, but hardly bought (I don’t think I’ve even beaten) any games. The next switch is probably the next console I’m excited about. But it’s not because of the portability, it’s because they still make couch co-op games.
In short I want to say I don’t care for handhelds but I’ll probably try harder to get a switch close to release than I will a PS6 even though I don’t know how much of a point in either right now. I just have console fatigue, but keep paying into the problem.
Being able to bring your console to someone else to play couch co-op with them makes developing that style much more appealing.
I am hoping that the Joycon mouse mode turns out real and used in some interesting ways.
I totally missed that the first time I watched it. That’d be awesome.
Nintendo consoles tended to be radical, Nintendo handhelds were more iterative.
The Game Boy and DS lines all built gradually on each other, seems the Switch line is following suit. I assume Nintendo see the Switch as a handheld that can be docked, rather than a console that’s also portable, so I guess it makes sense that it’s following a similar trajectory of previous handheld lines.
I mean the DS was pretty radical at the time.
I feel like Nintendo does a huge innovation, then an iteration or two(or a bunch of little changes), then back to a big change. Wii/WiiU, GB/GBA, DS/3DS, switch/2
I think I read that old joycons will still work with it in wireless mode.
I get why - the Switch was the successor of both their console and handhelds, and it did very well. Why change it?
You’d need all new accessories anyway with a complete redesign.
I’ve bought every Nintendo console up until the Wii U. Since they abandoned that early, I decided to skip the Switch. I’ll likely pick this up. If this doesn’t do well and gets abandoned early again, I’ll at least get to play all the games I’ve missed over the years due to backwards compatibility.
The Switch has so many good games! Sure, most are available on other platforms as well, but overall it’s such a great system.
At the same time, the Switch is such a solid console that a hardware upgrade with full backwards compatibility* is really the best case scenario. People have wanted a bigger screen, better chip, and better joysticks since launch, and now we’ll have them!
*the video says it’s not 100% compatible, but I’m assuming that’s for stuff like Labo and Ring Fit that need those exact joycon sizes/shapes.
I’m hoping that with the Ring Fit, to get around that restriction we can just pair the Switch 1 joycons to the Switch 2 console and use them detached.
In theory that might still work.
They’ll probably at least try to somehow make the mig switch non-functional on the switch 2, which could cause some other games to not work.
Yeah, I guess I was just hoping for more of a new generation type reveal, rather than a sequel to the Switch. Better hardware is definitely a plus though, would be nice to replay TotK or Pokemon SV with better graphics & performance. I still wonder if those two games were meant to release alongside a Switch 2 prior to the chip shortage.
Every single console reveal, there’s a take exactly like this, and it always ages like milk. Every time.
I don’t follow - is it going to somehow transform into something that isn’t a switch?