I bought a game on switch for like 40 bucks that ended up being really bad, and tried to get it refunded within about two hours of purchase, after about thirty minutes of play time. Couldn’t get the refund.
Ever since, I was VERY slow to buy anything, because, what if it’s unexpectedly bad? I have to know I mean it, otherwise I shouldn’t buy it. I want to buy a game, not flush money down the toilet.
I don’t get how a Steam Deck is a replacement for a Switch tbh.
You buy the Switch to play Nintendo games mostly, though it’s nice that you can take it with you.
You buy the Steam Deck because you can take it with you and it has a huge library - but it has no Nintendo games, so it fails to scratch that one particular itch.
Natively? No, but it is pretty easy to emulate on the Deck. I have successfully run everything from Gameboy to Nintendo DS and Switch games on the Steam Deck.
Been tempted to get a steam deck at some point, just not sure how much I would use it and if it would justify the cost, having all my games already makes it infinitely more appealing than the switch though.
SteamOS plus the next gen of MSI Claw or ASUS ROG ally is going to be the absolutely superior gaming and customer experience in the coming years. There’s no good reason to buy a Switch unless you need Nintendo exclusives (or have kids, and then it just makes sense).
My girlfriend accidentally bought Minecraft because she wanted to check out whether she could pay via PayPal. There are no further confirmations. Also no refund possible even though she hasn’t even installed it once.
If I could be bothered, I’d sue, but in Germany that wouldn’t financially make sense, even though it would not be a hard case at all
Where is refund of digital goods, which must be activated or linked outside of Steam possible? With valve it is purely a gesture of goodwill. If you buy a game in a store and remove the foil, you won’t get it exchanged either. In Germany, every court would laugh at you and ask you to pay for wasting their time.
Maybe you should look for the mistakes yourself? After all, you are the stupid uninformed person who blindly throws your money away. Blaming the embarrassment on the store providers is a real indictment. I’m sorry, you have completely different problems if you can’t get your act together.
We are talking about digital goods that are generally excluded from exchange. Even my little niece knows that. So lazy, stupid customer: find out on YouTube? Better not. Find out on gaming/review websites? Better not. Just google it or read at least 1 sentence about it before buying? No, better not.
Buying blindly and then lining up like a toddler because you weren’t able to think about it thoroughly beforehand instead of buying blindly.
Use your brain first. Think about the money first. Be smarter beforehand. Get active before…
Publishers always tell better stories… Which retailer doesn’t do that…_
Still, dude touch grass. What the hell riled you up that much that you keep insulting me entirely unprovoked?
Also my man, are you studying or have you studied German law, that you make yourself appear to know the German civil code?
Wie gesagt geh in ein Geschäft Kauf ein Spiel öffne die Folie und Versuch dann umzutauschen. Da die Produkte mit Key kommen, sich mit dem Acc verknüpfen etc. war es damals schon so das man vorher überlegen muss da keine Rückerstattung. So als es dann zu digitalen Medien ging wurde auch immer weiter DRM ausgebaut. Man wird in Deutschland nicht ohne Grund als raubmordkopierer direkt auf gleiche Stufe wie Mörder oder Räuber gestellt. ( Iso oder Backup von Daten ist zB schnell gemacht. Wie soll man sicherstellen das nicht heimlich eine Kopie angefertigt wurde und mit einen Crack lauffähig gemacht wird… )
Warum ich direkt so negativ reagiere? ( negative Erfahrungen prägt sich der Mensch am schnellsten ein. ) Tja weil das auf bestimmt über +50% der Leute bei steam zutrifft. Die blind kaufen… Bei denen der kick durch den klick kommt… Bei Leuten die bei einen Zahlungsanbieter testen ob man die Dienstleistung nutzen kann und sich dann wundert …
Viele viele Probleme wären fast nicht erst wenn Leute sich nur mal 5min Zeit nehmen statt nur zu konsumieren.
Ok dann mal in kurz: der wenn man etwas kauft, dann müssen zwei übereinstimmende Willenserklärungen in Form von Angebot und Annahme vorliegen, die die wesentlichen Vertragsbestandteile (Kaufsache, Preis und Vertragspartner) enthalten, die sog. essentialia negotii. Das Angebot ist hier nicht der Kaufbutton, dies ist eine Aufforderung zur Abgabe eines Angebots, sog. invitatio ad offerendum, sondern das Klicken selbst. Der Platform Betreiber nimmt konkludent durch Bereitstellung oder Auftragsbestätigung an.
Vorliegend handelt es sich zwar um einen Kaufvertrag i.S.d § 433 I BGB, aber wegen dem Vorrang des leges specialis, geht § 475a der Verbrauchsgüterkaufvertrag über digitale Produkte vor. Der setzt zum einen voraus, dass eine Partei Verbraucher und die andere Unternehmer ist. Außerdem, dass es sich um ein digitales Produkt handelt. Beides sollte offenkundig sein.
Allerdings könnte die Willenserklärung des Angebots, des Klickens, Mangelbehaftet sein. Sie könnte gemäß § 119 I Alt.2 BGB anfechtbar sein, wenn der Verbraucher keine Willenserklärung abgeben wollte. Dies ist hier der Fall. Wenn die Anfechtung erklärt wird und begründet ist, dann gilt das gesamte Rechtsgeschäft als von Anfang an als nichtig anzusehen, vgl. § 142 I BGB.
Formerfordernisse sind normalerweise Schriftform oder elektronische Form (Email), die muss aber mit einer elektronischen Signatur versehen sein.
Mein Punkt ist hier, Valve bietet über die Seite ein Formular für die Erklärung der Anfechtung (meist eher Widerruf) an, was vom Gesetz ausdrücklich erlaubt wird. Nintendo weigert sich regelmäßig auch bei korrekter Form die Annahme der Wirkung der Anfechtung. Hier wäre nur Abhilfe über Klageerhebung zu erreichen.
Selbstverständlich ist das dämlich einfach mal auf kaufen zu drücken. Ich kann aber durchaus verstehen, dass man annimmt einem würden noch Bezahloptionen angeboten werden. Zumal die Gerichtshöfe ja schon häufiger klarstellten, dass unmissverständlich sein muss, dass man mit dem Klicken einen Kaufvertrag abschließt. Außerdem halte ich es für echt fragwürdig, dass man kaufen kann ohne seine Identität in irgendeinerweise zu verifizieren. So könnten Minderjährige bspw. ohne Hürde kaufen - spätestens das würde von vorneherein keinen wirksamen Kaufvertrag darstellen, sofern nicht das Taschengeld bemüht wurde. (Wobei hier durch die Tatsache der bargeldlosen Zahlung noch ganz andere Probleme im Rahmen der Anweisung der Bank zur Gutschrift an Nintendo auftreten würden).
So und nun kannst du ja auch einfach mal ordentlich schreiben, anstatt dich wie ein Arschloch zu benehmen
A little bit underwhelming hardware-wise. Extra joycon L/R don’t seem like they’ll factor in much in most singleplayer docked or handheld settings. (I guess those aren’t new buttons…
.) The mouse thing (if that’s what they’re showing) is somewhat interesting and helps to keep touch controls relevant when docked. Top USB port, sure. Backwards compatibility is great news. Screen is…?
As always with Nintendo I think it comes down to the games. Mario Kart 9 hasn’t blown me away just yet, but we’ve barely seen anything at all so…
Did I offend you or something? Does your dad work for Nintendo? 🙄
It’s a figure of speech. But let me really spell it out for you and any other fucking slowpokes in the back of the class…
I’m not impressed with the hardware or the software that they showed today. They should show more than 8 seconds of a game that looks marginally better than Mario Kart 8 (a game I bought and enjoyed 11 years ago on the Wii U) if they want to impress me and sell me on a piece of hardware that is incrementally better than the Switch they sold me 8 year ago. Hopefully they have something that will impress me when they do another presentation in April, but if not that’s cool who gives a fuck man.
It looked like they were mimicking cars to me, not mice. Not saying that it wouldn’t be a cool concept if it has an optical sensor. But they didn’t show any visual feedback to imply they were controlling any kind of cursor. If that was the implication, it’s obvious it was a rushed marketing piece.
Please excuse the screenshot of a video but this looks a lot like an optical sensor. I’ve seen a lot of internet “experts” covering this and the general consensus for now is optical sensor too.
A mouse mode could be extremely useful for things like Civilization or Fire Emblem. Of course, the touch screen is also great for that and Three Houses and Triangle Strategy didn’t support it.
It had worth to me, as someone who was stuck in a place where it was unacceptable to watch a video but was acceptable instead to read a summary quietly.
The summary of the article isn’t even good. It buries the info in a bunch of other useless information, probably to increase word count and SEO. They could have included pictures from the video, too, but didn’t.
There’s a disclaimer that says not every Switch 1 game will work, but I think it will play on the new Switch with the same lousy performance it has now unless you buy the Switch 2 version.
Ah so upgrade cost identical to what Sony did? I can see them doing that … The problem with that is that the games already have the ability on the cartridge. Remember the datamine of Paper Mario TTYD remake and the higher resolution data on the cart?
I would not put it past Nintendo to charge you $70 for Tears of the Kingdom again so that you can run it at reasonable resolutions and frame rates this time.
Another commenter elsewhere mentioned that things like Labo or Ring Fit won’t (likely) work because of the different sized controllers. I would be surprised if other games that don’t use special extra hardware work just fine.
Normally I’d disagree (because games written for a single console don’t do well with hardware upgrades), but since the old console already runs at different speeds when handheld and docked, I’d expect most games to be able to handle faster processors safely. We’ll have to see how that shakes out. If it really does run them better, and it has drift-proof sticks, I’m quite interested. Otherwise, I’ll wait a year or 2 until there’s a good, cheap library of games for it.
That is how every previous Nintendo back-compat implementation has worked.
GC on Wii
Wii on Wii U
Game Boy on Game Boy Color
Game Boy/Color on Game Boy Advance
Game Boy Advance on (New) Nintendo (3)DS
Nintendo DS on Nintendo DSi
Nintendo DS/i on Nintendo 3DS
Nintendo 3DS on New Nintendo 3DS
In every case, the system drops back to the earlier console’s hardware specifications. There are hybrid cross-gen games on some of the handhelds which offer improvements on the newer hardware, but up to this point, older games have never been updated to get the improvements of newer hardware. That doesn’t necessarily mean the same will hold, but I’d suggest you assume it will and be pleasantly surprised if they buck the trend.
I’m those cases isn’t it because they had separate hardware built in for backwards compat? This is more of a PC style hardware upgrade rather than totally different hardware (compute wise) so it might be different for that reason?
Sort of, though Wii and Wii U are a bit more complicated than that so this somewhat of an oversimplification. The ELI5 answer is that some hardware components are directly upgraded and can run in a compatibility mode, other components are just the original hardware thrown in separately.
New3DS is the most recent and most notable exception. It’s directly upgraded 3DS hardware, but the CPU downclocks to run at 3DS specs on all legacy titles (and there are almost no native New3DS games so this upgrade was pretty pointless). Softmodding can unlock the full clockspeed, and most games do work fine this way but there are a few rare bugs.
I expect Switch 2 will just be the same architecture upgraded, because that’s a lot easier to do now, while the old style of true redundancy would inflate costs too much today. It’s also worth noting that Switch titles already expect variable performance in order to support handheld and docked modes, so I doubt much would break if allowed to overclock. But I could also see Nintendo not even trying to support it if even one bug might exist somewhere.
Just adding on to this, I do think the “up-specced OG hardware” approach something Nintendo has done before. Upgrades like GC to Wii and Game Boy to Game Boy Color are really just boosts to the clock speeds and RAM, they don’t have anything specifically included for BC reasons (unless you’re counting GameCube memory card slots). They really are just iterations on the same hardware. Similar to the New 3DS, on modded consoles you can run GameCube games at Wii clock speeds and they almost all work without issue.
On that subject, the fact that Nintendo says the compatibility won’t be 100% is potentially encouraging. If the Switch 2 was just going to downclock compatible parts to their Switch 1 performance and was otherwise identical, you’d expect all games to work. The reduction in compatibility could be because games are going to be running with Switch 2 clocks across the board, which most games should handle just fine and a small handful may not.
Sure, but the game sets the resolution, not the console. The game might get a performance boost or a more stable frame rate on better hardware, but unless it gets a patch to detect which system it’s running on and adjust the resolution accordingly, most games will still run in 720p.
Hall effect sensor expert here! No, the magnets in the joycons that are used to attach to the display/body of the Switch 2 would not interfere with hall effect analog sticks.
Two reasons:
The magnets are too far away (sensors are usually only sensitive to magnets within 10-12mm directly above/below)
The mounting/attachment magnets would be perpendicular to the magnets in the analog sticks (if you imagine the flux lines they wouldn’t cross the sensory boundary).
Regardless, it would be trivial to place a tiny little piece of ferromagnetic blocking tape wherever necessary to prevent interference.
Maybe, I got the Pimax Portal a while back and due to their magnetic attachments Hall Effect sticks wouldn’t work. I’m sure Nintendo would have a better time solving this issue than Pimax would though
Rumors/Leaks had them and they were right about what we see in the trailer so hopefully. I’m hoping yes, nintendo must be tired of repairing joycons ^^
Mouse mode has been rumored, and some leaks have shown what could be an optical sensor on the joy con.
Also, if you take your current joy cons and place them on their side like that, they surprisingly feel pretty great as a mouse. Shoulder button for min click, and your thumb hits the four face buttons. I could see it working pretty well.
I‘m assuming they debated about it until the very last second until they settled with the safest option. The leaks probably accelerated things a lot towards the end and it might’ve been called something different entirely if they had more time to agree on a name.
That‘s not how projects or marketing work most of the time, however. Nintendo is known to use project names throughout development. They have a schedule for each and every step and the recent leaks have turned things upside down for sure.
The reveal itself looks incredibly rushed. I suspect they hastily whipped up a quick animation in Blender by using some simple modifiers and clever editing. It has “Make a product animation in Blender” Youtube tutorial written all over it, if that makes sense. I kind of love it, but it’s not very Nintendo-like and neither is the name.
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I bought a game on switch for like 40 bucks that ended up being really bad, and tried to get it refunded within about two hours of purchase, after about thirty minutes of play time. Couldn’t get the refund.
Ever since, I was VERY slow to buy anything, because, what if it’s unexpectedly bad? I have to know I mean it, otherwise I shouldn’t buy it. I want to buy a game, not flush money down the toilet.
So, now I kind of just don’t want a Switch 2.
Buy it on the first day, never connect it to the internet and wait for the first jailbreak. Then you never have to pay for any game.
Steam deck?
I don’t get how a Steam Deck is a replacement for a Switch tbh.
You buy the Switch to play Nintendo games mostly, though it’s nice that you can take it with you.
You buy the Steam Deck because you can take it with you and it has a huge library - but it has no Nintendo games, so it fails to scratch that one particular itch.
Natively? No, but it is pretty easy to emulate on the Deck. I have successfully run everything from Gameboy to Nintendo DS and Switch games on the Steam Deck.
Hmm, how’s Switch piracy these days? If I’m emulating, I’m probably not going to be paying for games either since I can’t have physical copies
I play my physical switch games using my cartridge dumper
Been tempted to get a steam deck at some point, just not sure how much I would use it and if it would justify the cost, having all my games already makes it infinitely more appealing than the switch though.
I accidentally bought a game that didn’t have English in the region I bought it in and they wouldn’t refund me.
SteamOS plus the next gen of MSI Claw or ASUS ROG ally is going to be the absolutely superior gaming and customer experience in the coming years. There’s no good reason to buy a Switch unless you need Nintendo exclusives (or have kids, and then it just makes sense).
My girlfriend accidentally bought Minecraft because she wanted to check out whether she could pay via PayPal. There are no further confirmations. Also no refund possible even though she hasn’t even installed it once. If I could be bothered, I’d sue, but in Germany that wouldn’t financially make sense, even though it would not be a hard case at all
Where is refund of digital goods, which must be activated or linked outside of Steam possible? With valve it is purely a gesture of goodwill. If you buy a game in a store and remove the foil, you won’t get it exchanged either. In Germany, every court would laugh at you and ask you to pay for wasting their time. Maybe you should look for the mistakes yourself? After all, you are the stupid uninformed person who blindly throws your money away. Blaming the embarrassment on the store providers is a real indictment. I’m sorry, you have completely different problems if you can’t get your act together.
Dude, wtf? You don’t have to be such a dick, eh?
Ad hominem much? The point is an issue with the declaration of will to pursue a contract. You can challenge that after the fact.
We are talking about digital goods that are generally excluded from exchange. Even my little niece knows that. So lazy, stupid customer: find out on YouTube? Better not. Find out on gaming/review websites? Better not. Just google it or read at least 1 sentence about it before buying? No, better not. Buying blindly and then lining up like a toddler because you weren’t able to think about it thoroughly beforehand instead of buying blindly.
Use your brain first. Think about the money first. Be smarter beforehand. Get active before… Publishers always tell better stories… Which retailer doesn’t do that…_
Still, dude touch grass. What the hell riled you up that much that you keep insulting me entirely unprovoked? Also my man, are you studying or have you studied German law, that you make yourself appear to know the German civil code?
Wie gesagt geh in ein Geschäft Kauf ein Spiel öffne die Folie und Versuch dann umzutauschen. Da die Produkte mit Key kommen, sich mit dem Acc verknüpfen etc. war es damals schon so das man vorher überlegen muss da keine Rückerstattung. So als es dann zu digitalen Medien ging wurde auch immer weiter DRM ausgebaut. Man wird in Deutschland nicht ohne Grund als raubmordkopierer direkt auf gleiche Stufe wie Mörder oder Räuber gestellt. ( Iso oder Backup von Daten ist zB schnell gemacht. Wie soll man sicherstellen das nicht heimlich eine Kopie angefertigt wurde und mit einen Crack lauffähig gemacht wird… ) Warum ich direkt so negativ reagiere? ( negative Erfahrungen prägt sich der Mensch am schnellsten ein. ) Tja weil das auf bestimmt über +50% der Leute bei steam zutrifft. Die blind kaufen… Bei denen der kick durch den klick kommt… Bei Leuten die bei einen Zahlungsanbieter testen ob man die Dienstleistung nutzen kann und sich dann wundert … Viele viele Probleme wären fast nicht erst wenn Leute sich nur mal 5min Zeit nehmen statt nur zu konsumieren.
Ok dann mal in kurz: der wenn man etwas kauft, dann müssen zwei übereinstimmende Willenserklärungen in Form von Angebot und Annahme vorliegen, die die wesentlichen Vertragsbestandteile (Kaufsache, Preis und Vertragspartner) enthalten, die sog. essentialia negotii. Das Angebot ist hier nicht der Kaufbutton, dies ist eine Aufforderung zur Abgabe eines Angebots, sog. invitatio ad offerendum, sondern das Klicken selbst. Der Platform Betreiber nimmt konkludent durch Bereitstellung oder Auftragsbestätigung an.
Vorliegend handelt es sich zwar um einen Kaufvertrag i.S.d § 433 I BGB, aber wegen dem Vorrang des leges specialis, geht § 475a der Verbrauchsgüterkaufvertrag über digitale Produkte vor. Der setzt zum einen voraus, dass eine Partei Verbraucher und die andere Unternehmer ist. Außerdem, dass es sich um ein digitales Produkt handelt. Beides sollte offenkundig sein.
Allerdings könnte die Willenserklärung des Angebots, des Klickens, Mangelbehaftet sein. Sie könnte gemäß § 119 I Alt.2 BGB anfechtbar sein, wenn der Verbraucher keine Willenserklärung abgeben wollte. Dies ist hier der Fall. Wenn die Anfechtung erklärt wird und begründet ist, dann gilt das gesamte Rechtsgeschäft als von Anfang an als nichtig anzusehen, vgl. § 142 I BGB.
Formerfordernisse sind normalerweise Schriftform oder elektronische Form (Email), die muss aber mit einer elektronischen Signatur versehen sein.
Mein Punkt ist hier, Valve bietet über die Seite ein Formular für die Erklärung der Anfechtung (meist eher Widerruf) an, was vom Gesetz ausdrücklich erlaubt wird. Nintendo weigert sich regelmäßig auch bei korrekter Form die Annahme der Wirkung der Anfechtung. Hier wäre nur Abhilfe über Klageerhebung zu erreichen.
Selbstverständlich ist das dämlich einfach mal auf kaufen zu drücken. Ich kann aber durchaus verstehen, dass man annimmt einem würden noch Bezahloptionen angeboten werden. Zumal die Gerichtshöfe ja schon häufiger klarstellten, dass unmissverständlich sein muss, dass man mit dem Klicken einen Kaufvertrag abschließt. Außerdem halte ich es für echt fragwürdig, dass man kaufen kann ohne seine Identität in irgendeinerweise zu verifizieren. So könnten Minderjährige bspw. ohne Hürde kaufen - spätestens das würde von vorneherein keinen wirksamen Kaufvertrag darstellen, sofern nicht das Taschengeld bemüht wurde. (Wobei hier durch die Tatsache der bargeldlosen Zahlung noch ganz andere Probleme im Rahmen der Anweisung der Bank zur Gutschrift an Nintendo auftreten würden).
So und nun kannst du ja auch einfach mal ordentlich schreiben, anstatt dich wie ein Arschloch zu benehmen
aaaand another asshole blocked. if you want your comments to be read by people don’t be a dickhead
Is that why it’s so important for you to tell me? Block != start conservation.
Can’t wait… for a Switch 2 emulator
Yuzutu?
Yuzucha?
I’ll wait for the OLED model, because apparently this isn’t it.
:O
This doesn’t have OLED? Yikes.
I hope this hardware will stand a chance playing no man’s sky. After the freighters were introduced the switch just couldn’t handle it
I look forward to pirating all those games too.
“Revealed”….
Well, it’s a bigger, better Switch alright…
A little bit underwhelming hardware-wise.
Extra joycon L/R don’t seem like they’ll factor in much in most singleplayer docked or handheld settings.(I guess those aren’t new buttons… .) The mouse thing (if that’s what they’re showing) is somewhat interesting and helps to keep touch controls relevant when docked. Top USB port, sure. Backwards compatibility is great news. Screen is…?As always with Nintendo I think it comes down to the games. Mario Kart 9 hasn’t blown me away just yet, but we’ve barely seen anything at all so…
To be continued in April, i guess.
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Did I offend you or something? Does your dad work for Nintendo? 🙄
It’s a figure of speech. But let me really spell it out for you and any other fucking slowpokes in the back of the class…
I’m not impressed with the hardware or the software that they showed today. They should show more than 8 seconds of a game that looks marginally better than Mario Kart 8 (a game I bought and enjoyed 11 years ago on the Wii U) if they want to impress me and sell me on a piece of hardware that is incrementally better than the Switch they sold me 8 year ago. Hopefully they have something that will impress me when they do another presentation in April, but if not that’s cool who gives a fuck man.
Which mouse thing? they seem to be exactly all the same inputs the Switch 1 already had.
They seem to be implying that you can turn the joycons on their side to use them kind of like a mouse… I guess?
At least that’s what the rumors and chatter have been saying. How practical that is… I dunno.
It looked like they were mimicking cars to me, not mice. Not saying that it wouldn’t be a cool concept if it has an optical sensor. But they didn’t show any visual feedback to imply they were controlling any kind of cursor. If that was the implication, it’s obvious it was a rushed marketing piece.
Please excuse the screenshot of a video but this looks a lot like an optical sensor. I’ve seen a lot of internet “experts” covering this and the general consensus for now is optical sensor too.
Edit: screenshot from 1:02 in the launch video
They were attached to an accessory that allowed them to slide like that. It must have a point other than just look cool on the trailer.
Weren’t those accessories just wrist straps?
These accessories
A mouse mode could be extremely useful for things like Civilization or Fire Emblem. Of course, the touch screen is also great for that and Three Houses and Triangle Strategy didn’t support it.
This blog post is worthless. A direct link to the official video announcement would be better.
https://youtu.be/itpcsQQvgAQ
It had worth to me, as someone who was stuck in a place where it was unacceptable to watch a video but was acceptable instead to read a summary quietly.
Just curious, why was it unacceptable to watch the video?
It was early morning at jury selection, and I did not bring headphones with me.
I can see how it would be a little awkward at jury selection lol
However the video just has some generic sounding apple-esque marketing music and no talking so no headphones required!
I couldn’t know that until I got home, and this article summarized everything just fine as well as embedding the source video in it.
Mute the video?
There’s also this
The summary of the article isn’t even good. It buries the info in a bunch of other useless information, probably to increase word count and SEO. They could have included pictures from the video, too, but didn’t.
Let’s go! I’m excited for hardware that will run Pokemon Violet/Scarlet at a non-dog shit framerate (other than pirating).
Are you prepared to have to buy the game again to do that? I don’t know it for sure, but it’s how I expect Nintendo to operate.
They are claiming backwards compatibility, and I assume that means for physical copies as well. If not, eh we’ll see!
There’s a disclaimer that says not every Switch 1 game will work, but I think it will play on the new Switch with the same lousy performance it has now unless you buy the Switch 2 version.
Ah so upgrade cost identical to what Sony did? I can see them doing that … The problem with that is that the games already have the ability on the cartridge. Remember the datamine of Paper Mario TTYD remake and the higher resolution data on the cart?
I would not put it past Nintendo to charge you $70 for Tears of the Kingdom again so that you can run it at reasonable resolutions and frame rates this time.
I don’t think they’ll go that far, but the “upgrade” will probably be $15 or $10 extra
Another commenter elsewhere mentioned that things like Labo or Ring Fit won’t (likely) work because of the different sized controllers. I would be surprised if other games that don’t use special extra hardware work just fine.
Normally I’d disagree (because games written for a single console don’t do well with hardware upgrades), but since the old console already runs at different speeds when handheld and docked, I’d expect most games to be able to handle faster processors safely. We’ll have to see how that shakes out. If it really does run them better, and it has drift-proof sticks, I’m quite interested. Otherwise, I’ll wait a year or 2 until there’s a good, cheap library of games for it.
That is how every previous Nintendo back-compat implementation has worked.
In every case, the system drops back to the earlier console’s hardware specifications. There are hybrid cross-gen games on some of the handhelds which offer improvements on the newer hardware, but up to this point, older games have never been updated to get the improvements of newer hardware. That doesn’t necessarily mean the same will hold, but I’d suggest you assume it will and be pleasantly surprised if they buck the trend.
I’m those cases isn’t it because they had separate hardware built in for backwards compat? This is more of a PC style hardware upgrade rather than totally different hardware (compute wise) so it might be different for that reason?
Sort of, though Wii and Wii U are a bit more complicated than that so this somewhat of an oversimplification. The ELI5 answer is that some hardware components are directly upgraded and can run in a compatibility mode, other components are just the original hardware thrown in separately.
New3DS is the most recent and most notable exception. It’s directly upgraded 3DS hardware, but the CPU downclocks to run at 3DS specs on all legacy titles (and there are almost no native New3DS games so this upgrade was pretty pointless). Softmodding can unlock the full clockspeed, and most games do work fine this way but there are a few rare bugs.
I expect Switch 2 will just be the same architecture upgraded, because that’s a lot easier to do now, while the old style of true redundancy would inflate costs too much today. It’s also worth noting that Switch titles already expect variable performance in order to support handheld and docked modes, so I doubt much would break if allowed to overclock. But I could also see Nintendo not even trying to support it if even one bug might exist somewhere.
Just adding on to this, I do think the “up-specced OG hardware” approach something Nintendo has done before. Upgrades like GC to Wii and Game Boy to Game Boy Color are really just boosts to the clock speeds and RAM, they don’t have anything specifically included for BC reasons (unless you’re counting GameCube memory card slots). They really are just iterations on the same hardware. Similar to the New 3DS, on modded consoles you can run GameCube games at Wii clock speeds and they almost all work without issue.
On that subject, the fact that Nintendo says the compatibility won’t be 100% is potentially encouraging. If the Switch 2 was just going to downclock compatible parts to their Switch 1 performance and was otherwise identical, you’d expect all games to work. The reduction in compatibility could be because games are going to be running with Switch 2 clocks across the board, which most games should handle just fine and a small handful may not.
Sure, but the game sets the resolution, not the console. The game might get a performance boost or a more stable frame rate on better hardware, but unless it gets a patch to detect which system it’s running on and adjust the resolution accordingly, most games will still run in 720p.
Hoping they add Hall effect sensors and eliminate drift once and for all
It looks like the controllers attach to the screen magnetically, which may interfere with the sensors of Hall Effect sticks
Hall effect sensor expert here! No, the magnets in the joycons that are used to attach to the display/body of the Switch 2 would not interfere with hall effect analog sticks.
Two reasons:
Regardless, it would be trivial to place a tiny little piece of ferromagnetic blocking tape wherever necessary to prevent interference.
Would the NFC system in the stick interfere with hall effect sensors?
Nope.
That Doesnt affect Hall & Oates sensors, though.
I’m not a scientist but I’m pretty sure theyd be able to calibrate the sensors to ignore the magnetic force of the attachment points
Maybe, I got the Pimax Portal a while back and due to their magnetic attachments Hall Effect sticks wouldn’t work. I’m sure Nintendo would have a better time solving this issue than Pimax would though
The joy cons were awful for that.
I updated my Joycons to the hall effect sticks and they’re awesome. No drift after several months.
Rumors/Leaks had them and they were right about what we see in the trailer so hopefully. I’m hoping yes, nintendo must be tired of repairing joycons ^^
The joycon sliding on the table, is that a mouse-mode? @1:11 in the reveal trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itpcsQQvgAQ
Mouse mode has been rumored, and some leaks have shown what could be an optical sensor on the joy con.
Also, if you take your current joy cons and place them on their side like that, they surprisingly feel pretty great as a mouse. Shoulder button for min click, and your thumb hits the four face buttons. I could see it working pretty well.
I thought the same, but the way the shot was framed made the Joy Cons look more like cars racing around. I wonder how that would work, actually.
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Will this still play switch 1 games? (Physical cartridges)
From TFA:
Yes
I really don’t like the logo. I know why the logo looks that way considering the Wii U branding debacle, but still.
I‘m assuming they debated about it until the very last second until they settled with the safest option. The leaks probably accelerated things a lot towards the end and it might’ve been called something different entirely if they had more time to agree on a name.
Its been what, 8 years since the original switch was released?
They had plenty of time to decide on a better name.
That‘s not how projects or marketing work most of the time, however. Nintendo is known to use project names throughout development. They have a schedule for each and every step and the recent leaks have turned things upside down for sure.
The reveal itself looks incredibly rushed. I suspect they hastily whipped up a quick animation in Blender by using some simple modifiers and clever editing. It has “Make a product animation in Blender” Youtube tutorial written all over it, if that makes sense. I kind of love it, but it’s not very Nintendo-like and neither is the name.
I prefered colorful joycons, but I’m also glad that, there is audio jack port.