Me here just waiting to also not play the next one.
It’s just another flavor of starfield but somehow so much more shittier.
Make me a game that doesn’t release looking like it’s a beta release. Then I may be interested.
In fairness is was full jank on release, the initial patches got it to “bethesda jank” where it was fun with the bugs (provided you could actually play it) but still bug ridden.
It got better over time, until just before the “big patch” came in that fully changed how it all worked skills and mechanics wise (gameplay was mostly the same).
Honestly i prefer, pre-“big patch” but the fully patched game is considerably smoother and more coherent.
So, aside from the years of post release development, completely missing features that are never actually coming (looking at you full transit system), it’s actually pretty good.
An absolutely dogshit way of releasing a game, but if you waited for a few years and bought it on discount , it’s actually a really fun game (provided you like that sort of thing).
TBC I’m not justifying anything about this process , it was a major fuckup and many other dev houses would have gone under from the weight of how badly they fucked it up, but they had that witcher money, so.
And so the endless cycle of the borderline CD projekt games continues. Everything is hyped beyond realistic expectations a decade before launch, the masses whipped in anticipation. The game developers are kneecapped by suits making technical changes and demands they don’t understand. The game is launched after sorely felt apologies for delays, as a messy distasteful buggy disaster. Then the devs get to finish the game during thn next five unars after sorely felt apologies for the buggy mess at launch. 5 more years later the game is hailed as a creative masterpiece, despite being held by bubblegum and paperclips under the hood and still being a subpar experience. Then CDPR announces a new game, and the cycle repeats.
We didn’t learn anything from “Bethesda’s magic”. What a mismanaged company.
Yes, you did. The last step of the cycle is that everyone forgets that this already happened before. The witcher, then the witcher 2, then witcher 3, then cyberpunk. Each was such a mess at launch that the press at the time thought the games would flop. Each time devs, not suits, pulled the games out of PR hell after the fact.
People forget that the console port of the first witcher game nearly bankrupted them.
Just look at this thread people are talking like cyberpunk was always a perfect masterpiece since launch and negative comments are being buried in down votes.
I played Witcher 3 a few months after it released, and it was nearly bug free, and certainly lived up to most expectations. It had a massive world, every inch of which was crammed with fleshed out interesting stories and characters with character. It was a breathtaking experience from the start, and if it had a few things to work out in the initial weeks, I can understand that.
The difference between CDPR and Bethesda is CDPR games always end up being all time greats though. That’s why I don’t get influenced by the hype, and keep faith in them as developers, as well as their move to unreal engine
Bethesda’s games are also celebrated as all time greats.
Games are good, eventually, in spite of the mismanagement, not because of it. At one point they will run out of magic, just like Bethesda did. For said magic is just a ton of good writing and developers putting up with crunch.
Bethesda delivers just good enough for the modding community to pick up the rest and fix their shit. Unofficial patches, Oscuro’s Oblivion Overhaul, and all that.
CDPR fixes their own shit.
Both end up with solid games for patientgamers but damn you gotta be really patient.
Agree to disagree on that, I haven’t played a Bethesda game I’ve considered “good” since Morrowind personally, and on the other hand Cyberpunk is top tier for me.
The game is finished. Maybe not finished to your expectations, but it is definitely finished, and is a damn fine action RPG. And Phantom Liberty is the best damn DLC for any game I’ve ever played since the Shivering Isles for Oblivion.
Calling others opinions lies just because you don’t appreciate what they’re saying is what we in the industry like to call a “bitch ass move”.
Spoken like someone that has played about four or five video games in their entire life. It’s not even an RPG. It’s a shitty first person shooter with pointless skill trees tacked on. Even if you were to classify it as an action RPG, it doesn’t crack the top 20.
It absolutley does.
Also cyberpunk actually gives you a lot of freedom on how you aproach combat.
Can you play it as mindless shooter. Yup . But you can also play deus ex like that and no one calls it a shitty first person shooter ( even tho thats technicaly the easiest way to finish the game ).
And as far as the world and story is concerned its equisite.
As far as whetewer its an RPG or not. If mass effect is an RPG than so is cyberpunk i think . Very subjective thing in general . Definietly not a hill im willing to die on.
And it was greedy as hell because when that DLC was announced and released the game was still buggy and unfinished. The game still doesn’t feel complete without the DLC is what I hear from everyone I know and multiple reviews
I started the first one last month and encountered 3 game-breaking-reload-required bugs within the first hour. It still isn’t fixed after all these years.
Played until I was helping the cops and symping for corpo life. Aren’t we supposed to be punks off the street? The fuck are we helping cops for? CDPR can’t write.
Because the coppers have a vigilante system and pay me for fucking these specific groups of gangers and criminals up. And as Vespasian said: money doesn’t stink.
Most likely not since it will be made in Unreal Engine 5, though since everyone at CDProjektRed is working on Witcher 4, Unreal Engine 6 might be out and what the games made with. There were many reasons why CP2077 was broken as it was at launch, but one of the main reasons was due to using their own game engine and a ton of effort trying to support last Gen consoles.
The worst i hear is its games tend to be kinda unoptimized, but how much of that is the devs not being given enough time to optimize the game before release and how much is just the engine being bad idk. I used UE4 a lot and it was pretty smooth sailing for the most part, but maybe 5 got worse in some aspects.
one thing that dissapointed me very much, is them adding a lot of the features and fixes they implied would be there in the base game in a paid expansion. cp2077 is definetly the last AAA i ever paid for.
Thats a fallacy. You’re essentially saying because one company was able to fix their shit, the systemic problem isnt real. Thats not the case. Look at the broader picture. Companies are consolidating, building massive conglomerates and the market is hostile towards its customers.
No the systemic problem is real, but I don’t think this one independent company has succumbed fully to it yet. If they had, they wouldn’t have fixed it as well as they did.
Thats what I’m saying too. The reason they released it in the state they did was market pressure and most likely bad decisions in an abusive capitalist system. Thats the reason why I said it initially.
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I don’t care.
Shut up about the game.
Don’t fucking say a thing about it until its like 6 months from launch.
Did they learn nothing from last time?!
Learn what? They’ve been relativly silent throughout the 12 years from announcement to release.
Nice, only 12 more years to go.
Me here just waiting to also not play the next one.
It’s just another flavor of starfield but somehow so much more shittier. Make me a game that doesn’t release looking like it’s a beta release. Then I may be interested.
How do you know if you haven’t played it?
You won’t play cyberpunk cause it released in a poor state? Its a different game now.
In fairness is was full jank on release, the initial patches got it to “bethesda jank” where it was fun with the bugs (provided you could actually play it) but still bug ridden.
It got better over time, until just before the “big patch” came in that fully changed how it all worked skills and mechanics wise (gameplay was mostly the same).
Honestly i prefer, pre-“big patch” but the fully patched game is considerably smoother and more coherent.
So, aside from the years of post release development, completely missing features that are never actually coming (looking at you full transit system), it’s actually pretty good.
An absolutely dogshit way of releasing a game, but if you waited for a few years and bought it on discount , it’s actually a really fun game (provided you like that sort of thing).
TBC I’m not justifying anything about this process , it was a major fuckup and many other dev houses would have gone under from the weight of how badly they fucked it up, but they had that witcher money, so.
Hopely, this game’s launch is better then the first one.
Shouldn’t be hard unless the bar fell into an open hole in the ground
I will put it on my calendar for 2035.
By the time Cyberpunk 2 comes out, I’ll have my own Keanu installed in my brain.
By the time it gets fixed & playable, the remainder of Keanu’s body will also need a mind reinstall.
Looking forward to playing this in 10 years
Maybe about time for me so start the first.
And so the endless cycle of the borderline CD projekt games continues. Everything is hyped beyond realistic expectations a decade before launch, the masses whipped in anticipation. The game developers are kneecapped by suits making technical changes and demands they don’t understand. The game is launched after sorely felt apologies for delays, as a messy distasteful buggy disaster. Then the devs get to finish the game during thn next five unars after sorely felt apologies for the buggy mess at launch. 5 more years later the game is hailed as a creative masterpiece, despite being held by bubblegum and paperclips under the hood and still being a subpar experience. Then CDPR announces a new game, and the cycle repeats.
We didn’t learn anything from “Bethesda’s magic”. What a mismanaged company.
Endless cycle? Wasn’t everything you described just cyberpunk? Did I miss something about their previous title releases?
Yes, you did. The last step of the cycle is that everyone forgets that this already happened before. The witcher, then the witcher 2, then witcher 3, then cyberpunk. Each was such a mess at launch that the press at the time thought the games would flop. Each time devs, not suits, pulled the games out of PR hell after the fact.
People forget that the console port of the first witcher game nearly bankrupted them.
Just look at this thread people are talking like cyberpunk was always a perfect masterpiece since launch and negative comments are being buried in down votes.
I played Witcher 3 a few months after it released, and it was nearly bug free, and certainly lived up to most expectations. It had a massive world, every inch of which was crammed with fleshed out interesting stories and characters with character. It was a breathtaking experience from the start, and if it had a few things to work out in the initial weeks, I can understand that.
The difference between CDPR and Bethesda is CDPR games always end up being all time greats though. That’s why I don’t get influenced by the hype, and keep faith in them as developers, as well as their move to unreal engine
Bethesda’s games are also celebrated as all time greats.
Games are good, eventually, in spite of the mismanagement, not because of it. At one point they will run out of magic, just like Bethesda did. For said magic is just a ton of good writing and developers putting up with crunch.
Bethesda delivers just good enough for the modding community to pick up the rest and fix their shit. Unofficial patches, Oscuro’s Oblivion Overhaul, and all that.
CDPR fixes their own shit.
Both end up with solid games for patientgamers but damn you gotta be really patient.
Agree to disagree on that, I haven’t played a Bethesda game I’ve considered “good” since Morrowind personally, and on the other hand Cyberpunk is top tier for me.
At least everyone knows not to trust this dev anymore and won’t buy the game until it’s actually finished
Sad this likely means the first one never gets finished
lol, buy?
The first one was finished, and is a fantastic game.
It was finished and buggy… it’s now finished, fixed and expanded.
Right now is where it should have been on release.
If it’s good enough for Gibson, it’s good enough for me.
It was pretty damn solid. I didn’t finish it, I had fun running around blasting gang members. Ducking through alley ways was the shit.
Not feature complete to pre-release promises/expectations
You don’t have to lie to justify your purchase, you can enjoy it for what it is
The game is finished. Maybe not finished to your expectations, but it is definitely finished, and is a damn fine action RPG. And Phantom Liberty is the best damn DLC for any game I’ve ever played since the Shivering Isles for Oblivion.
Calling others opinions lies just because you don’t appreciate what they’re saying is what we in the industry like to call a “bitch ass move”.
Reconsider what you responded to and what finished means
I don’t need to reconsider shit, the game is finished, and is amazing.
CP2077 was not finished when it came out at the end of 2020.
This revisionist history of it being complete on release will get no traction here.
Literally nobody said that. Your username checks out.
Yeach . It had rocky start but damm disregarding bugs the praises were more than deserved. Literally the best action RPG that exists.
A rocky start? It got removed from the game stores and full refunds given. That’s not a simple “rocky start” the released a pre alpha at full price.
It’s absolutely a fantastic game. I’m glad Gibson is giving his blessing for the sequel, I’m looking forward to it!
Spoken like someone that has played about four or five video games in their entire life. It’s not even an RPG. It’s a shitty first person shooter with pointless skill trees tacked on. Even if you were to classify it as an action RPG, it doesn’t crack the top 20.
It absolutley does. Also cyberpunk actually gives you a lot of freedom on how you aproach combat. Can you play it as mindless shooter. Yup . But you can also play deus ex like that and no one calls it a shitty first person shooter ( even tho thats technicaly the easiest way to finish the game ). And as far as the world and story is concerned its equisite. As far as whetewer its an RPG or not. If mass effect is an RPG than so is cyberpunk i think . Very subjective thing in general . Definietly not a hill im willing to die on.
What a blisteringly stupid thing to say, considering art is subjective.
Yeah their greed is disgusting. I wander how many DLCs they’ll make for this next one before it’s finished
Expansion packs have existed since the 90s at least. There were also special editions and stuff before DLCs were possible.
Umm okay? Cool fact bud
Just saying if they do release DLCs and add ons it isn’t something particularly new or particularly greedy.
It is greedy when they ask for more money for “extra” content for an unfinished game.
What are you even talking about? They only shit you had to pay extra for was Phantom Liberty. Every other update or content release has been free.
And it was greedy as hell because when that DLC was announced and released the game was still buggy and unfinished. The game still doesn’t feel complete without the DLC is what I hear from everyone I know and multiple reviews
Speak for yourself choom. I’ll buy that scop on launch day. (I only preorder RGG games cuz they have never missed)
I started the first one last month and encountered 3 game-breaking-reload-required bugs within the first hour. It still isn’t fixed after all these years.
Played until I was helping the cops and symping for corpo life. Aren’t we supposed to be punks off the street? The fuck are we helping cops for? CDPR can’t write.
Because the coppers have a vigilante system and pay me for fucking these specific groups of gangers and criminals up. And as Vespasian said: money doesn’t stink.
Well I’m on my fifth playthrough and have encountered game-breaking bugs maybe 3 times :)
I play on PC, and the only bug I’ve ever experianced was one time an NPC walked into the sidewalk. Other than that, it’s been smooth sailing.
I hope that if this game is open world then the story at least matches it, unlike the first one.
There were just so many pointless distractions, and hardly any of them lead to anything interesting.
Huh, so it’s taking place in 2 AD instead of 2077. Weird direction to take.
ha!
maybe it’s 2 AV (after V)
I can’t not read AV as ΔV. Damn you, KSP!
My inner monologue even said “2 delta V… wait.”
You’re gonna need a lot more than 2!
2km/s Δv can get you a mun roundtrip at least, once you’re in orbit
is it gonna be very broken on launch too?
Most likely not since it will be made in Unreal Engine 5, though since everyone at CDProjektRed is working on Witcher 4, Unreal Engine 6 might be out and what the games made with. There were many reasons why CP2077 was broken as it was at launch, but one of the main reasons was due to using their own game engine and a ton of effort trying to support last Gen consoles.
I heard UE5 is also pretty shit. Can you correct me.
The worst i hear is its games tend to be kinda unoptimized, but how much of that is the devs not being given enough time to optimize the game before release and how much is just the engine being bad idk. I used UE4 a lot and it was pretty smooth sailing for the most part, but maybe 5 got worse in some aspects.
TLDR: UE5 can be optimized but Unreal also turned it into a bit of a tech demo which can be counter productive at times.
Thanks for your input. I find UE4 very optimized on my low end machine. UE5 is a no go tho. Not it’s fault in my case, I need to upgrade.
Yes. Welcome to late stage capitalism.
I think if it was really late stage capitalism they wouldn’t have fixed it nearly as good as they did and just called it a day.
one thing that dissapointed me very much, is them adding a lot of the features and fixes they implied would be there in the base game in a paid expansion. cp2077 is definetly the last AAA i ever paid for.
Thats a fallacy. You’re essentially saying because one company was able to fix their shit, the systemic problem isnt real. Thats not the case. Look at the broader picture. Companies are consolidating, building massive conglomerates and the market is hostile towards its customers.
No the systemic problem is real, but I don’t think this one independent company has succumbed fully to it yet. If they had, they wouldn’t have fixed it as well as they did.
Thats what I’m saying too. The reason they released it in the state they did was market pressure and most likely bad decisions in an abusive capitalist system. Thats the reason why I said it initially.
If it wasn’t as broken as it was, it might not have ended up as good as it did.
its not as good as they implied it would be tbh. its a nice story, with ok gameplay and not much else.
oh ill concede the world and ambiance is quite awesome though. they used good graphics in their favour pretty well at least.
Let’s go, i need it haha
They still haven’t totally fixed the first one.