Yea because the people totally have control over that…yea I forgot how fair and honest indias elections have been, same with china…tell you what, you keep harping on about how the rich are destroying the planet and nothing the rest of us do is causing it.

You know who’s the biggest polluters? Companies and governments… mainly the militaries. I’m not defending anyone, I’m telling you that you’re worried about the dumbest shit ever to think that some mega yachts are the problem. Container ships and cruise liners make all those yachts look like green floating sailboats in comparison. You know who uses those cruise ships and the shit on those contrainer ships the most? Normal every day people.

It’s OK to run a discount for Steam Keys on different stores at different times as long as you plan to give a comparable offer to Steam customers within a reasonable amount of time.

Where in valves policy is it showing they’re affected. That right there is from the link you provided, literally stating its fine to have discounts on different stores. Steam provides the keys for free and still eats the cost of hosting the game if one of these keys are sold on a different store.

https://support.humblebundle.com/hc/en-us/articles/1260804812850-Support-Refund-Policies#:~:text=Refunds are eligible within two,case basis%2C at Humble’s discretion.

What in the absolute fuck are you talking about?

Just stop…

Those are not illegitimate reseller stores. Those keys are from the devs on those stores. I did not share a link to cdkeys or kingwin or g2a. I shared a link to a legitimate list of stores. If I buy from humble my keys are not going to get banned or not work.

It’s amazing with friends… especially when one of them decides to be the cook, and burns down the base because they forgot to turn off the stove while we’re all out scavenging for supplies…

Surroundead for single player zombie survival

Project zonboid for multiplayer zombie survival

Kingdom come deliverance for visuals and epic story

Hell let loose for FPS shooter

Deadlock for moba/fps

Risk of rain 2 for multiplayer roguelite

The raft for multiplayer survival on water

The forest for multiplayer survival on land

SCUM for pvp survival

That’s all I can think of for now…the fun part of PC is gaming with friends without having to pay a shitty subscription fee.

One such owner is Amazon owner Jeff Bezos, whose $500 million superyacht Koru incorporates sails to help power its voyage. It is the largest sailing yacht in the world, according to Oceanco, the Dutch company that built it. When not under wind power, however, Koru does rely on sports diesel-powered motors. Oxfam estimates that the 127 meter vessel has emitted 7,000 tons of carbon dioxide over the past year, an amount equal to the annual emissions of 445 average US residents.

Estimates and 445 US residents…there is no way yachts are causing even a blip of climate change compared to everything. It’s the stupidest shit ever to point a fucking boats and be like “that’s why we have climate change” on any level. You could snap your fingers and make every single on of them vanish and it wouldn’t do shit to turn the climate change ship around.

Yachts spend 10% to 20% of the year sailing and relying on engine power.

So yea…they basically sit in dock like I said, doing nothing.

The report shows the stark gap between the carbon footprints of the super-rich—whose carbon-hungry lifestyles and investments in polluting industries like fossil fuels

Ah so investments are now pollution…got it.

This is why studies like these are bullshit. That right there was prefaced with “tax the rich, and it’ll magically make climate change less”…which makes no fucking sense at all.

As for your “I better be rich bullshit”… that’s such a copout. I’m not naive enough to think some boats are causing our climate change, I’m also not fool enough to think that rich people investing in industries is the reason we’re in this predicament. Trying to blame others actions while we all contribute to it is a joke. Everything you do contributes to it, you bought anything recently that has plastic? Contributor. You have a 401k? Contributor(apparently). Drive somewhere? Yep you guessed it… contributing. Eat something not grown by you? Contributing.

So let’s stop the non-sense virtue signaling. It detracts from the actual issues.

I’ve literally never seen a tv ad for valve…hell I think I saw a print add in a gaming mag one time…but they really don’t need to spend money on advertising, they provide a service better than anyone else and that’s what keeps them around…EGS has been giving away titles for years now and they’re platform still sucks and is a reason they’re not as big as steam, not because of advertising.

Lol yeah I’m sure indie devs could afford to front millions for carts and CDs.

Also you still haven’t answered my question, show me a indie game that had success pre-steam

So wait you’re only hang-up is that the store has to offer the download? The fuck…

https://isthereanydeal.com/game/red-dead-redemption-2/info/

GMG key for epic is $17.42 right now…steam is…$19.79

Are you still going to blatantly babble false statements?

This is the 3rd time I say this, let’s see if you get it this time.

Except they’re literally listing them on other stores cheaper than on steam. The fuck are you talking about?

They are sold cheaper than on steam…the fuck are you talking about, literally you said they can’t sell them cheaper. And that’s completely false.

Uhh that’s completely wrong. I’ve bought keys from tons of different stores (humble being the majn one) when there were sales going on for the game. All registered with steam keys.

People forget what it was like matchmaking pre-steam. Games would vanish if they weren’t some huge game publisher with a big following.

It wasn’t killed by steam, it was killed by technological progress. CDroms were absolutely expensive to produce, print, ship etc. What do price cuts have to do with availability? As I asked before, when since steam did indie games have the audience they have now?

Also why say CD-ROM wasn’t expensive and then bring up digital? You’re not doing anything to prove steam is this evil thing.

Luckily your computer can run any software you want so there’s no need to build any platform to play videogames.

What’s the point of this comment? This doesn’t answer the question.

I was reply to your concern of people not being able to find their games, the fediverse is an example of how you can build a non centralized network and still bring people together.

Ok then what’s stopping people from doing that?

All of those studies are flawed as fuck. They assume the products the rich sell as polution. Do you sit there and include farmers in it as well because they sell/grow the food you eat which is a huge contributor to climate change. The yachts they buy, sit in dry dock 99% of their lives. You bitching about it is pure ignorance.

The second hand market wasn’t killed because of steam, it was killed because of digitalizing everything…on top of that. The fact that you think physical copies allowed indie games to exist, shows how extremely ignorant of this topic you are. Physical media is extremely expensive, and was not available for anyone unless a publisher took a chance on you. Even if steam didn’t exist, companies would have moved to digital anyways because its cheaper and more people get the product.

Steam has been around for 2 decades now, and I’ll ask again. Please find me a indie game that had success when steam wasn’t around, and find me one that made it in brick and mortar stores that didn’t take 30%+

Uhh no…no they didn’t. B&Ms existed before the net and digital copies became Common place. The indie scene exploded with steam/itch/gog storefronts. The hell are you talking about, find me multiple indie games that have awards from decades ago. I’ll wait.

30% when you get hosting/friends/multiplayer support/advertising/bandwidth out of that, and you don’t have to do anything? Yes, they are happy to pay that.

Mega yachts aren’t causing our issues. 3rd world countries with no regulations for environmental impact and consumerism is. Most of these yachts just sit in a port doing nothing but collecting dust 99% of the time. Thinking that getting rid of yachts is going to even scratch the surface of our environmental problems is a joke.

Cool, that still doesn’t answer the question…and if you’re suggesting that people build a decentralized platform to rival steam…no one is stopping them from doing so.

The fuck? Are you suggesting there is somehow a better way for people to find indie games? Let’s say steam doesn’t exist at all, and every indie dev has to host their own website and files…tell me how you plan on getting people to find their games?

So we’re at a point that, someone who owns something because they’re rich makes them evil?

Y’all have lost the damn plot if that’s the case.

70%…and devs are happy to pay the 30% to get on a platform that’s worth a fuck. Valve carries the servers, the bandwidth and service. Tons of indie devs have made it via steam. They’re a platform for games, not a healthcare company or apple that’s exploiting slave labor.

Plenty of villans out there, valve and gabe isn’t one of them.

When I say less, I mean as in assets and things to do. Side quests alone in a lot of games these days are damn near as many hours as the main story is.

Games had a lot less in them as well though, but even then games still took time. OoT, one of the biggest RPGs, released in 98, two 1/2 years of dev time. Games still required time, maybe less, but they also had less in them.

34 mil is nothing when you start looking at the cost of some of these other games, even Skyrim was over 100 million. Like GTA5, with marketing, was like 250 million. Just insanely expensive, and I guarantee you the devs are not pulling in a mil or two a year.

https://www.vg247.com/hellblades-budget-required-ninja-theory-to-use-their-own-boardroom-as-a-motion-capture-studio#:~:text=Made on a micro budget,a big return on investment.

10mil for Hellblade

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Come:_Deliverance#:~:text=The game reportedly cost 750,million USD%2C including marketing costs.

36mil for KC:D one of the prettiest games of the time…which includes marketing.

The cost of some of these “AAAA” titles is a complete joke.

Another one, before THQ took over, metro 2033, 10-20 million estimate, and while it’s aged a bit, when it first was released it had a good bit of eye candy for a horror game.

Another one would be the first stalker, it’s not what we would consider it today, visual candy, but it’s also over a decade old now, but it was a pretty game when it came out. Cost 5mil to make

Another one:

Crysis 22mil, and if you remember it was one of the benchmarks for the longest times…can it run crysis.

It’s bullshit accounting, they’re not spending it on the devs or the games, they’re spending it on advertising and the c levels Paydays. There are a ton of really good looking games, that had what would be considered shoestring budgets, but these companies bitching about it aren’t actually in it for the games anymore, its just for the money.

They can set a auto rejection on offers below a certain threshold, ebay does this with its make an offer.

So Chinese Kanye?

A huge chunk of them bled over into HLL when it was released into consoles.

$100 says they wouldn’t have said shit even if this was a smaller platform than itch and people didn’t basically put them on blast. Funko is just trying damage control now that their customers are calling foul. I seriously hope people stop buying these things as a punishment to this company using shitty AI and not actually apologizing, but I know thats wishful thinking.

Same old story. CP2077 got fucked because of consoles as well.

The 20xx series was expensive, skipped the 3x/4x and went back to amd. Even though I got my 7900xtx on sale, it still was insanely expensive for a gpu…where are the $500 top gpus gone.