I wonder if there is some definition gap in what Bethesda thinks makes a good game and what make a good game in the eyes of players.
They have probably done a lot behind the scenes improvements that warrants them to say that this has been the best to work on, but clearly it’s not the best to play.
Why? It has one of the biggest modding communities in gaming, so there’s a lot for people to like about it still, assuming they’re fine with modding it.
because it’s slop. there are so many more games to play that have better writing, direction, characters, environments, exploration, combat, RPG elements, and overall design.
I don’t get Bethesda fans insisting on modding bland ass games. you can play a game that’s better to begin with.
I didn’t say it’s wrong, I said it’s sad. also star field is objectively the sloppiest slop game even coming from the slop masters that are bethesda game studios. literally nothing about the game is remarkable.
while skyrim had a mediocre story handled badly and annoying af characters, it was at least carried by great environmental design and some memorable side quests, which is to say it greatly rewarded exploration.
the one real strength of their open worlds, and they threw that in the garbage to instead add fishbowls of minimally randomized and endlessly repeated slop separated by untold amounts of loading screens, tedious inventory management, and empty space where you do nothing but run in one direction. because there isn’t even anything you can encounter between points of interests so you don’t even explore.
yes, it is slop. and it is sad that people are playing that game for the sake of justifying their ovehyped purchase rather than playing better games which is almost any other game you have heard of.
Which version is that? The original Skyrim (aka oldrim) isn’t even purchasable on steam and hidden unless you bought it back then. But some people still play that because some old mods only support oldrim.
I don’t play FO4 anymore either. I will say I appreciate the stories, but their attempts to make games you can live in just don’t measure up anymore. Not when you have games like no man’s land and satisfactory. We know just how comfy a game can be.
Wanting something to be true doesn’t make it so. I played, and I even enjoyed big parts of it (after heavily modding, to be fair). I think it got more hate than it deserved, but in no reality can it be considered a really good game, let alone their best.
I really enjoyed the story missions, but the procedurally generated stuff got old fast. Im going to give a few years when all the DLCs are out and someone gives is the Wildlander treatment.
What they needed was a lot less empty planets and a lot more that looked populated (not occupied by a small outpost; populated, by a civilization).
The beauty of Skyrim (and I guess fallout, though I hated the guns so much I struggled to ever get into it) was that you could just wander if you got bored. You’d just point yourself in a random direction and see what popped out as interesting. Many of those places would be moderate sized cave systems that brought you out somewhere completely different, where you were free, again, to just pick a direction and explore.
It doesn’t feel like exploration to go to an empty map with a base that you kill everything in, then backtrack back to your ship every time.
I wanted to get into outpost building in Starfield but I just can’t get past the question, why am I doing it? Everything is needlessly gated three times over and I don’t get any utility or story out of it.
Emil, Howard, and Hines are why Bethesda can’t make good games anymore. Corporate hacks that have pushed for more mundane gameplay with every new game.
They also spearheaded piecemeal DLCs and consistently try to find ways to monetize mods.
Anyway, apparently Bethesda hasn’t been too dissuaded by the lukewarm reception its space sim got. Pagliarulo says it’s now joined Fallout and Elder Scrolls on the podium as one of Bethesda’s "big three”.
What a bunch of fucking clowns. Smoked too much copium it looks like.
100% agree, there’s lots to love. I admit that it has a lot of failings and they totally over promised what the game was going to be. But the way people talk you’d think it was an actual bad game.
So what do you like about it and what do you dislike about it? I haven’t tried it yet, might pick it up when it costs about as much as a hamburger with fries, but probably not before.
I think a lot of the quests are still great, while I think the writing generally is worse it’s not bad. I’ve spent hours building ships, I really like just jumping around system to system not even landing. I would say there’s a higher ratio of non combat options which I enjoy. You can spend a long time just running around talking to people- which for some is a negative, I love my RPGs roll play heavy over combat
Yes! I love Starfield. I don’t know if the hate is partially band wagon or meme or what, but I absolutely don’t get it.
The main complaint I’ve seen is that it’s boring. I really just don’t feel that. It’s open and self-motivated to me in the same way New Vegas or Morrowind are. I personally think that’s great.
It’s a tale as old as the game industry itself: The company releases an okay game, everyone goes “hell yeah, a solid 7/10”. …except by now everyone expects the company to make nothing but absolute masterpieces.
It’s an okay game with lots of little janky bits I don’t like (surprising in sense that I of course expected there to be some jank, this is Bethesda we’re talking about). The game seems to be amusing enough that I enjoy my time while playing it, but it doesn’t have the magic sauce that would make me eagerly get back to the game the next day.
I agree with you, while adding that the lack of depth, especially in space exploration, economy and combat made it that much more disappointing. Like the groundwork is there, you should be able to hire pilots or have you companions run planet bases for you, but no. At least, when I played you couldn’t do that.
I’m a big sci-fi nerd, and the primary quest was so, so good in my opinion. I tried out the base building feature and it really felt worthless, but the combat and story are so really fun.
I was thinking the other day that people were bashing it for the space navigation and I remembered that Mass Effect didn’t let you pilot shit or even pick where to go or explore a huge planet and still was so so good.
Still not attracted because what ME was an engrossing story and amazing cast, which Bethesda never ever did in any of the games I liked. So… yeah.
But I sure hope people who took the plunge will get their money’s worth!
Even disregarding just how bad starfield is, Emil is the literal worst person to say this. He is completely, shockingly incompetent when it comes to his job.
“This is, of course, a slightly wild thing for the studio that made Morrowind (its actual best game) and Skyrim (its most popular game by miles) to say”
FO3 did some thing much better than NV. NV is the best written, by far, but it’s different, not better, for gameplay. FO3 was closer to the original games in gameplay. There were a lot more random events while traveling, and they could react with each other in really unique ways. NV essentially removed this. There are a lot of other areas of difference too, but NV always gets remembered as better, and I think that’s largely because the things FO3 did better are systemic, so less noticeable, while NV had better stories, which you have to notice.
Honestly it wasn’t bad but it wasn’t great. For the period in which it was released it was graphically meh, the combat was shit, the exploration was meh minus with copy pasta generic boring cave, enemies and boring ass loot, the NPC were dumb as rocks, the questing was about being the dog in a game of fetch, the RPGing was on rail, the storyline was… Wait there was storyline? Oh yeah, you’re the one, go kill a dragon for some reason. Eh, sure whatev’ and the writing was… Well… Nothing to write about. :D
And of course, if was full of bugs and glitches and unfinishable quest that borks your save as one can expect from Bethesda.
For the period in which it was released it was graphically meh, the combat was shit, the exploration was meh minus with copy pasta generic boring cave, enemies and boring ass loot, the NPC were dumb as rocks, the questing was about being the dog in a game of fetch, the RPGing was on rail, the storyline was… Wait there was storyline?
Every word of this applies to every major Bethesda release since Morrowind. Starfield, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, they’re all the same half-baked game with an empty and oversized sandbox, just with a different aesthetic.
Are there any games of that scope that do it better? I mean games like souls aren’t really RPGs in the same sense. I’ve tried a few other similar games but they tend to have similar issues so I guess that’s just the limitations of the industry. I don’t think we’re gonna get intelligent NPCs with interesting things to say, until ai helps with that.
There are plenty of fantasy games that are great and better. But I like that whole first person, with more current gen graphics and feel. I don’t think many of those exist for consoles
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I wonder if there is some definition gap in what Bethesda thinks makes a good game and what make a good game in the eyes of players.
They have probably done a lot behind the scenes improvements that warrants them to say that this has been the best to work on, but clearly it’s not the best to play.
Tons of people still play Skyrim.
Something tells me that, in 10 years, few if any will still be playing Starfield.
do people play it now? never hear about it anymore.
According to SteamDB: [edit:Starfield has] around 10k every day which is about the same as Hogwarts Legacy, Bloons TD6, and No man’s Sky
that’s sad
Why? It has one of the biggest modding communities in gaming, so there’s a lot for people to like about it still, assuming they’re fine with modding it.
because it’s slop. there are so many more games to play that have better writing, direction, characters, environments, exploration, combat, RPG elements, and overall design.
I don’t get Bethesda fans insisting on modding bland ass games. you can play a game that’s better to begin with.
A blank canvas is easier to add to
lol fair
the game is slop, everybody else playing it is wrong!
I didn’t say it’s wrong, I said it’s sad. also star field is objectively the sloppiest slop game even coming from the slop masters that are bethesda game studios. literally nothing about the game is remarkable.
while skyrim had a mediocre story handled badly and annoying af characters, it was at least carried by great environmental design and some memorable side quests, which is to say it greatly rewarded exploration.
the one real strength of their open worlds, and they threw that in the garbage to instead add fishbowls of minimally randomized and endlessly repeated slop separated by untold amounts of loading screens, tedious inventory management, and empty space where you do nothing but run in one direction. because there isn’t even anything you can encounter between points of interests so you don’t even explore.
yes, it is slop. and it is sad that people are playing that game for the sake of justifying their ovehyped purchase rather than playing better games which is almost any other game you have heard of.
Which version is that? The original Skyrim (aka oldrim) isn’t even purchasable on steam and hidden unless you bought it back then. But some people still play that because some old mods only support oldrim.
Special edition is the main one now. It’s holding 30k very steadily since 2020 https://steamdb.info/app/489830/charts/#breakdown
Many of modders also moved to gog version, myself included. Because I can permanently version control on gog unlike stream.
I was talking about Starfield (i get how my comment isn’t precise in that way now, i’ll add an edit… oops)
I have started a complete new game 2 days ago and have again a lot of fun with Starfield. Can’t wait to see all the new content from the DLC.
I would say that Starfield is the best NASA punk planet exploration RPG Bethesda has ever made
I have a lot of fun with starfield, and enjoy the DLC, but admit it’s the weakest game they’ve made.
I never said it is the best game they ever made, but it is the best NASA punk space RPG they ever made 😁
I don’t play FO4 anymore either. I will say I appreciate the stories, but their attempts to make games you can live in just don’t measure up anymore. Not when you have games like no man’s land and satisfactory. We know just how comfy a game can be.
I mean, I do, to see what new mods are out.
Gun modding is an absolute shit show btw. Everyone tries to make their guns use the real or unique calibers and it’s kind of a massive pain.
Wanting something to be true doesn’t make it so. I played, and I even enjoyed big parts of it (after heavily modding, to be fair). I think it got more hate than it deserved, but in no reality can it be considered a really good game, let alone their best.
I really enjoyed the story missions, but the procedurally generated stuff got old fast. Im going to give a few years when all the DLCs are out and someone gives is the Wildlander treatment.
What they needed was a lot less empty planets and a lot more that looked populated (not occupied by a small outpost; populated, by a civilization).
The beauty of Skyrim (and I guess fallout, though I hated the guns so much I struggled to ever get into it) was that you could just wander if you got bored. You’d just point yourself in a random direction and see what popped out as interesting. Many of those places would be moderate sized cave systems that brought you out somewhere completely different, where you were free, again, to just pick a direction and explore.
It doesn’t feel like exploration to go to an empty map with a base that you kill everything in, then backtrack back to your ship every time.
I wanted to get into outpost building in Starfield but I just can’t get past the question, why am I doing it? Everything is needlessly gated three times over and I don’t get any utility or story out of it.
Fallout 3 was the same, and I loved this so much. Somehow they failed to keep this up with 4 (I never played 76).
I guess they felt like worlds you were a part of, rather than the center of. So many things to discover!
Emil, Howard, and Hines are why Bethesda can’t make good games anymore. Corporate hacks that have pushed for more mundane gameplay with every new game.
They also spearheaded piecemeal DLCs and consistently try to find ways to monetize mods.
Mods are the only reason Bethesda games have longevity
Don’t say that about godd howard 😡😡 /s
Like God said in Genesis: It just works.
What a bunch of fucking clowns. Smoked too much copium it looks like.
Saying it is in the top three IPs for a company that only has three IPs is technically correct.
Best kind of correct!
Honestly, even with only three IPs i think starfield struggles to even break into the top 5
Pouring one out for Fallout and another for Elder Scrolls.
Gaslighting much, are they?
I like starfield. Maybe it’s not for everyone, but I think the amount of shit it gets is unwarranted.
100% agree, there’s lots to love. I admit that it has a lot of failings and they totally over promised what the game was going to be. But the way people talk you’d think it was an actual bad game.
So what do you like about it and what do you dislike about it? I haven’t tried it yet, might pick it up when it costs about as much as a hamburger with fries, but probably not before.
I think a lot of the quests are still great, while I think the writing generally is worse it’s not bad. I’ve spent hours building ships, I really like just jumping around system to system not even landing. I would say there’s a higher ratio of non combat options which I enjoy. You can spend a long time just running around talking to people- which for some is a negative, I love my RPGs roll play heavy over combat
90% of it is people who never played the game and just love shitting on bethesda
its quite like the hate kirk cousins gets, its usually from people who dont watch him play
Yes! I love Starfield. I don’t know if the hate is partially band wagon or meme or what, but I absolutely don’t get it. The main complaint I’ve seen is that it’s boring. I really just don’t feel that. It’s open and self-motivated to me in the same way New Vegas or Morrowind are. I personally think that’s great.
There are dozens of us!
It’s a tale as old as the game industry itself: The company releases an okay game, everyone goes “hell yeah, a solid 7/10”. …except by now everyone expects the company to make nothing but absolute masterpieces.
It’s an okay game with lots of little janky bits I don’t like (surprising in sense that I of course expected there to be some jank, this is Bethesda we’re talking about). The game seems to be amusing enough that I enjoy my time while playing it, but it doesn’t have the magic sauce that would make me eagerly get back to the game the next day.
I don’t know I read comments like this and can only think you haven’t played too many games…
Idk, your comment sounds like you’re horrified that people enjoy different thing
You’re entitled to be wrong
Same to you.
Lol, thanks for the laugh
Glad you’re laughing, i’m worrying your life is so dull that you think people must be dull like you.
Edit: Nice, dude just message me and called me the R word.
Nice projection. Don’t you have a life to attend? No? Figures. Blocking you now, removed.
I agree with you, while adding that the lack of depth, especially in space exploration, economy and combat made it that much more disappointing. Like the groundwork is there, you should be able to hire pilots or have you companions run planet bases for you, but no. At least, when I played you couldn’t do that.
I’m a big sci-fi nerd, and the primary quest was so, so good in my opinion. I tried out the base building feature and it really felt worthless, but the combat and story are so really fun.
I was thinking the other day that people were bashing it for the space navigation and I remembered that Mass Effect didn’t let you pilot shit or even pick where to go or explore a huge planet and still was so so good.
Still not attracted because what ME was an engrossing story and amazing cast, which Bethesda never ever did in any of the games I liked. So… yeah.
But I sure hope people who took the plunge will get their money’s worth!
I’d wait to see if fans are still trying to port Starfield to new engines in 20 years before I start talking about my company’s “best” work.
Sounds like he hasn’t play the other games
What do you mean Skyrim? Morrowind was clearly the best game they ever made.
I love Morriwinds memory, but the gameplay was so rough to try to get back into.
Daggerfall is their best game
the procedural generated landscape game is their best. hmmmm. where have i heard that one before
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Skyrim had their best gameplay loop, but Morrowind’s writing carried the entire series. Very excited for Skywind to give me the best of both.
Been waiting since 2012. Tried some early builds too, will be very excited to play Skywind it releases eventually.
shit we might get tes 6 by the time skywind comes out 😂
funny how we’ve been waiting for both for about 12 years now
I’m still waiting for the Morrowind Expanded landmass mod to be finished, and that was for Morrowind
This one? Looks like they’re at least making progress you can download and play now!
Even disregarding just how bad starfield is, Emil is the literal worst person to say this. He is completely, shockingly incompetent when it comes to his job.
“New Thing Is Best Thing” is just the statement sales guys make when they’re selling the New Thing.
They’re going to re-release Skyrim for the thousandth time next week and claim it’s also the best game they’ve ever made.
“This is, of course, a slightly wild thing for the studio that made Morrowind (its actual best game) and Skyrim (its most popular game by miles) to say”
Accurate
Fallout 3 deserves a mention as a third most relevant.
Is new Vegas the same as FO 3? NV was better imo
Bethesda didn’t do NV
I bet Bethesda gets a lotta free credit there.
FO3 did some thing much better than NV. NV is the best written, by far, but it’s different, not better, for gameplay. FO3 was closer to the original games in gameplay. There were a lot more random events while traveling, and they could react with each other in really unique ways. NV essentially removed this. There are a lot of other areas of difference too, but NV always gets remembered as better, and I think that’s largely because the things FO3 did better are systemic, so less noticeable, while NV had better stories, which you have to notice.
I always get lost in the randomness of Bethesda. NV was the only one with a storyline I could recall tbh.
Don’t know if I actually finished vanilla Skyrim
talk about smelling their own farts
Skyrim sucks too
Come on now seriously?
Honestly it wasn’t bad but it wasn’t great. For the period in which it was released it was graphically meh, the combat was shit, the exploration was meh minus with copy pasta generic boring cave, enemies and boring ass loot, the NPC were dumb as rocks, the questing was about being the dog in a game of fetch, the RPGing was on rail, the storyline was… Wait there was storyline? Oh yeah, you’re the one, go kill a dragon for some reason. Eh, sure whatev’ and the writing was… Well… Nothing to write about. :D
And of course, if was full of bugs and glitches and unfinishable quest that borks your save as one can expect from Bethesda.
Every word of this applies to every major Bethesda release since Morrowind. Starfield, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, they’re all the same half-baked game with an empty and oversized sandbox, just with a different aesthetic.
Are there any games of that scope that do it better? I mean games like souls aren’t really RPGs in the same sense. I’ve tried a few other similar games but they tend to have similar issues so I guess that’s just the limitations of the industry. I don’t think we’re gonna get intelligent NPCs with interesting things to say, until ai helps with that.
There are plenty of fantasy games that are great and better. But I like that whole first person, with more current gen graphics and feel. I don’t think many of those exist for consoles