Gamers, be it on console or PC, are dumb. Time has shown this over and over again. Horse armour, overpriced micro transactions, golden cage launchers, games as a service, the list goes on.
There will always be people who buy overpriced stuff or don’t think about what will be in ten years.
Yeah, just prepare for 100 dollar games across the board WITH all of the shitty monetization at this point, gamers are going to buy their circus, consequences be damned.
I doubt it. Maybe Grand Theft Auto and Mario Kart can get away with charging more, but a lot of games asking $70 aren’t finding many customers willing to pay that price right now.
Except it’s totally not. Maybe the only 100% legal in every single country way, but not the only way by half. Fuck Nintendo. Fuck $80+ for a game. And fuck the switch 2.
In the case of them rereleasing old games without doing a remaster, in Canada at least, it is legal to have a digital back up for any game you own, and running it in an emulator is legal.
(Edit: I’m implying here that classic games are $80 on the Nintendo store, they are not. Still legal to have digital backups of modern games, still legal to emulate them as long as you own a physical copy.)
Sure, but it wouldn’t be $80 for most of them. (Edit: classic games on the Nintendo store are not $80, statement retracted. The general sentiment stands.)
Game deals is in New Westminster. Not necessarily great prices, but you can get Super Mario Cart for $60. And that’s a proper reseller, definitely get a better deal for a loose cart online…it doesn’t even have to be working. Get a better deal on one that isn’t functional, physical media degradation is one of the reasons why you’re able to keep digital copies.
You think they’re going to sell repackaged SNES and N64 games for less than that?(Edit: incorrect, they are in fact less than $80) How bout switch 1 games? Those are “modern” so significantly cheaper, still legal to have a backup, still legal to emulate…and will be run in an emulator on the switch 2, no native backwards compatibility.
As for switch 2 games…just waiting for a while getting them 2nd hand means they’ll be cheaper, if you can actually get a hardcopy, and all the things I just said still apply…
You underestimate how many people literally cannot stop themselves from playing Mario. I’d hope it’s mostly children begging their parents, but I have a feeling there’s a decent amount of 30 year olds with disposable income and zero impulse control in there.
Streamers and YouTubers are mostly who I blame for this. They are influencers who showcase the games and it makes their fans want to buy it.
I can’t count how many times I’ve read online that so many people refuse to buy some game, then I go on YouTube and see like 5 YouTubers playing it day one, because they (or maybe even a fan) bought it.
I’m going to try very hard not to be, but I’m definitely the type of person you’re describing. That Nintendo direct had me drooling at the new Mario kart and donkey Kong games, and nothing hits like a zelda. Super mario wonder was a delight.
I only hope I can emulate this system relatively quickly. I am not a man of strong willpower.
That’s why I’m just not looking at these new games. It would be interesting to know how they’re tackling an “open world” Mario Kart! But I already know it’s too expensive for what I’ll get out of it, so taking a look will only be bad for me in the long run.
I do! Many of my favorites are indie games, I’d say more than not. But I guess there’s some things that you can’t do without a massive budget or many many years in development, because many nintendo core franchises just aren’t beat in quality in my opinion, at least for some entries.
Don’t feel bad for liking things. Your post kinda bums me out. Don’t let all this negative hype impact what will make you happy. If you can afford it. Do it. If you can’t then yeah don’t, but we as people are allowed to enjoy things.
The Switch was the generation where I really started to have adult money, and while a lot of the games I got were lower-priced indie titles, I did get pretty much all of the big 1st party titles.
There’s a reasonable chance I get a Switch 2, but I’m not gonna be buying a lot of games over $70, and the ones I do will probably be when they go on sale for like, 10-15% off. I suspect I’ll be buying fewer games this generation, and I’m okay with that.
It’s uncommon, absolutely. But I bought Super Mario Odyssey around the third time I got an alert that it was on sale, for $50 or so. This took a couple years, so it’s reasonably rare, but if the future looks like the past, it will happen
I introduced mine to undertale and other stuff like cuphead, old school sonic games and SNES emulators. We dont care about latest Mario’s, but he does have odyssey.
Imagine going back to exclusivity with gaming consoles. PCs, and by extension, Steam won the console wars, and Nintendo is just trying its damnest to hold on to the last gasp of gaming exclusivity.
I got a Wii for Christmas years ago. Never used it much. The last Nintendo console I bought was a game cube. You can easily live without Nintendo. They’re definitely decent games. Just not for that price.
It’s the only platform I have to play it on, and switch doesn’t support the new space age expansion.
It did get many of the 2.0 updates, like the extended belt reader, free circuit wires, and all inserters are filters.
As far as acceptable, I love it. I’m sure I can’t build the crazy 10k science per minute monstrosities I’ve seen on youtube, but I’ve never really run into an lag issues with the bases I’ve built.
I imagine it’ll run much better on the Switch 2, given how well it runs on my Steam Deck, though I imagine that it would take a lot of adjustment to get used to using joystick controls versus the touchpad controls of the Steam Deck. Perhaps however the new ‘mouse-like controls’ work will be more helpful in that regard, but I can’t imagine even that would match the precision of a trackpad.
Don’t intend on supporting Nintendo’s crazy price increases myself, and will only get a Switch 2 if a way to hardware mod it becomes available, but I think it’s a bit ironic that the one non-first party game someone would specifically want to play on the Switch is also the one that not only never goes on sale, but also got a price increase.
If I have to pay $80 for Kirby Air Ride 2, I will pay $80 for Kirby Air Ride 2. I have waited 22 years for this game, there’s never been anything else like it.
Needlessly absolute take. Yes, there’s going to be parents, who’d rather pay extra than look into what other games they could give their kid, as well as loyal Mario fans, who will pay pretty much any price. But there’s obviously also players who do weigh up their options based on price, and who will make different decisions when they have to decide between two titles, when one of them is cheaper. Especially with the additional invest for a new console and the more dire economic situation, I could see many players not buying into the Switch 2 at all.
He means “there are a ton of children with parents who cannot enforce boundaries and there are a ton of grown people who will make poor financial decisions”. Nintendo will exploit both
Hopefully someone will exploit Nintendo with a paper clip again
He’s basically saying “suck it up, buttercup”. They think people are going to have no choice but pay these prices, with all the crazy shit going on. Maybe the Switch 2 will be successful, but most of my adult video gamer friends have already said they are going to pass. Only the ones that still have small kids are considering it.
Cool, now do the cost of everything else and compare then to now and you might have some idea of why $80 for a video game is a bitter pill to swallow.
Friendly reminder that games from 1998 were just games and didn’t have endless predatory mechanics designed to cripple the game in some way to extract money from you after you bought them too.
Your friendly reminder that gaming back in 1998 was still not selling millions of copies as compared to now and revenue has for gaming has been rising significantly since.
I’m not schocked by a game costing around 80$ as that’s already what a new game costs in my country.
I remember buying Final Fantasy 8 almost 30 years ago for above 90$ as a teenager.
I also kind of remember that NES and Super NES games were really expensive.
I’m not saying that I want the price of games to increase though and I think it’s weird that Nintendo is doing this when their games clearly aren’t the most expensive ones to create.
I know I won’t be buying a Switch 2and I think people should vote with their wallets.
Have you seen the average Nintendo game? Unless they’re buying all of their developers solid gold keyboards to work on, I’m not seeing where the price justification comes from.
Game pricing hasn’t changed much, sure. I paid $70 for n64 games in 1996. But volume sure has
FFVIII sold 6 million copies in its first year, a huge commercial success, and has sold 9.6 million lifetime
Ever juggernaut games like Mario 64 - 12 million copies.
FFVII - 12.6 million
Pokemon red blue green combined - 30 million
Madden 2007 - 7.7 million (interestingly EA does not release sales figures for modern madden games, probably because sports games seem to make far more money from micro transactions than sales. NBA 2k for example sells around 7m units a year but is one of the highest grossing franchises in gaming)
More recent games:
baldurs gate 3 sold 15 million copies
Elden ring 20 million
Pokémon sword and shield - 27 million
Diablo 3 30 million
The Witcher 3 50 million
Skyrim 60 million
Rdr2 70 million
GTA 5 200 million
So when people cry “wahh, videogame prices need to rise because inflation” remember that they are stupid and overlook the very basic fact that 20-30 years ago gaming was a niche activity that got nowhere near the volume it gets today. Any single game selling 50 million copies in the 90s or early 2000s, let alone 200 fucking million, was an insane pipe dream
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Doug Bowser confirmed variable pricing in an interview. Not every game will be $80
I can just play one of the many other very good jump’n’run games that do not cost that much money.
Unless a game is on a qualitative excellent level, as BotW and TotK were, I’m not paying 80 bucks for it.
TotK was not worth 80$.
Should’ve been an add on to BotW for 40$
Or if you never had either, both as a “complete edition” for 100$ is fine too.
Disagree. TotK was absolutely worth it’s pricepoint. Not even going to argue about it, the game was phenomenal.
If Mario is 100x more expensive than it needs to be, and there are millions of games that are just as good for a dime, you don’t buy Mario.
Gamers, be it on console or PC, are dumb. Time has shown this over and over again. Horse armour, overpriced micro transactions, golden cage launchers, games as a service, the list goes on.
There will always be people who buy overpriced stuff or don’t think about what will be in ten years.
Not to mention that other publishers will be watching this closely. If Nintendo gets away with it they will make this the new normal.
Yeah, just prepare for 100 dollar games across the board WITH all of the shitty monetization at this point, gamers are going to buy their circus, consequences be damned.
I doubt it. Maybe Grand Theft Auto and Mario Kart can get away with charging more, but a lot of games asking $70 aren’t finding many customers willing to pay that price right now.
Except it’s totally not. Maybe the only 100% legal in every single country way, but not the only way by half. Fuck Nintendo. Fuck $80+ for a game. And fuck the switch 2.
Fuck everyone! You cool Gabe.
What other legal way is there that doesn’t require you to pay full price for the game?
Being in receipt of a gift.
But yes, that pricing is bullshit.
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In the case of them rereleasing old games without doing a remaster, in Canada at least, it is legal to have a digital back up for any game you own, and running it in an emulator is legal.
(Edit: I’m implying here that classic games are $80 on the Nintendo store, they are not. Still legal to have digital backups of modern games, still legal to emulate them as long as you own a physical copy.)
But then you still have to buy the game.
Sure, but it wouldn’t be $80 for most of them. (Edit: classic games on the Nintendo store are not $80, statement retracted. The general sentiment stands.)
Game deals is in New Westminster. Not necessarily great prices, but you can get Super Mario Cart for $60. And that’s a proper reseller, definitely get a better deal for a loose cart online…it doesn’t even have to be working. Get a better deal on one that isn’t functional, physical media degradation is one of the reasons why you’re able to keep digital copies.
I thought we were talking about Switch 2 games?
You think they’re going to sell repackaged SNES and N64 games for less than that?(Edit: incorrect, they are in fact less than $80) How bout switch 1 games? Those are “modern” so significantly cheaper, still legal to have a backup, still legal to emulate…and will be run in an emulator on the switch 2, no native backwards compatibility.
As for switch 2 games…just waiting for a while getting them 2nd hand means they’ll be cheaper, if you can actually get a hardcopy, and all the things I just said still apply…
They do not sell SNES and N64 games for $80, no. You know those are on the NSO app already, right?
Look, if you wanna be mad that Mario Kart World is $80, that’s fair to be mad at. But you don’t gotta make up misinformation.
I guess I don’t play Mario then. It’s a pretty simple concept.
Yeah, Switch 1 was a nice break from playing games on my PC.
You underestimate how many people literally cannot stop themselves from playing Mario. I’d hope it’s mostly children begging their parents, but I have a feeling there’s a decent amount of 30 year olds with disposable income and zero impulse control in there.
me! I’m that guy pre ordering the switch as soon as I can lol
Streamers.
Streamers and YouTubers are mostly who I blame for this. They are influencers who showcase the games and it makes their fans want to buy it.
I can’t count how many times I’ve read online that so many people refuse to buy some game, then I go on YouTube and see like 5 YouTubers playing it day one, because they (or maybe even a fan) bought it.
I’m going to try very hard not to be, but I’m definitely the type of person you’re describing. That Nintendo direct had me drooling at the new Mario kart and donkey Kong games, and nothing hits like a zelda. Super mario wonder was a delight.
I only hope I can emulate this system relatively quickly. I am not a man of strong willpower.
That’s why I’m just not looking at these new games. It would be interesting to know how they’re tackling an “open world” Mario Kart! But I already know it’s too expensive for what I’ll get out of it, so taking a look will only be bad for me in the long run.
Sounds like they’re doing a Forza Horizon kind of setup, where you drive around the open world to get from one structured race to another.
It’s kinda cool in that it keeps you in the world, but also annoying if you just wanna bang through races
Do you play many indie games? I feel like they’ve taken most of these formulas and really expanded on them, way more than Nintendo will do.
I do! Many of my favorites are indie games, I’d say more than not. But I guess there’s some things that you can’t do without a massive budget or many many years in development, because many nintendo core franchises just aren’t beat in quality in my opinion, at least for some entries.
Don’t feel bad for liking things. Your post kinda bums me out. Don’t let all this negative hype impact what will make you happy. If you can afford it. Do it. If you can’t then yeah don’t, but we as people are allowed to enjoy things.
The Switch was the generation where I really started to have adult money, and while a lot of the games I got were lower-priced indie titles, I did get pretty much all of the big 1st party titles.
There’s a reasonable chance I get a Switch 2, but I’m not gonna be buying a lot of games over $70, and the ones I do will probably be when they go on sale for like, 10-15% off. I suspect I’ll be buying fewer games this generation, and I’m okay with that.
Which is almost never.
It’s uncommon, absolutely. But I bought Super Mario Odyssey around the third time I got an alert that it was on sale, for $50 or so. This took a couple years, so it’s reasonably rare, but if the future looks like the past, it will happen
The fact that you have to have alerts to be able to get the games at a discount is pretty bad, but you’re doing it the right way!
I introduced mine to undertale and other stuff like cuphead, old school sonic games and SNES emulators. We dont care about latest Mario’s, but he does have odyssey.
Its much better than that. There’s plenty of Mario content to emulate.
Imagine going back to exclusivity with gaming consoles. PCs, and by extension, Steam won the console wars, and Nintendo is just trying its damnest to hold on to the last gasp of gaming exclusivity.
I got a Wii for Christmas years ago. Never used it much. The last Nintendo console I bought was a game cube. You can easily live without Nintendo. They’re definitely decent games. Just not for that price.
They do fill a “good for all ages” niche that not many other AAA games do nowadays. Which makes the exorbitant pricing especially strange.
When I bought the switch I called it my $500 zelda machine.
I also have factorio now.
If a new mario, zelda, or factorio is available on switch 2, I’ll buy one.
one summer back in ‘the day’ i was staying at a house that had a snes. guess what the one and only game we played all that summer was.
Factorio?
I am cringing in horror at how poorly my factories would run on a Switch. Do you find playing it to be an acceptable experience?
It’s the only platform I have to play it on, and switch doesn’t support the new space age expansion.
It did get many of the 2.0 updates, like the extended belt reader, free circuit wires, and all inserters are filters.
As far as acceptable, I love it. I’m sure I can’t build the crazy 10k science per minute monstrosities I’ve seen on youtube, but I’ve never really run into an lag issues with the bases I’ve built.
I imagine it’ll run much better on the Switch 2, given how well it runs on my Steam Deck, though I imagine that it would take a lot of adjustment to get used to using joystick controls versus the touchpad controls of the Steam Deck. Perhaps however the new ‘mouse-like controls’ work will be more helpful in that regard, but I can’t imagine even that would match the precision of a trackpad.
Don’t intend on supporting Nintendo’s crazy price increases myself, and will only get a Switch 2 if a way to hardware mod it becomes available, but I think it’s a bit ironic that the one non-first party game someone would specifically want to play on the Switch is also the one that not only never goes on sale, but also got a price increase.
And even with the increase it’s still a freakin’ bargain. Such a good game!
If I have to pay $80 for Kirby Air Ride 2, I will pay $80 for Kirby Air Ride 2. I have waited 22 years for this game, there’s never been anything else like it.
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I hope it has an accepter city escape mode
Needlessly absolute take. Yes, there’s going to be parents, who’d rather pay extra than look into what other games they could give their kid, as well as loyal Mario fans, who will pay pretty much any price. But there’s obviously also players who do weigh up their options based on price, and who will make different decisions when they have to decide between two titles, when one of them is cheaper. Especially with the additional invest for a new console and the more dire economic situation, I could see many players not buying into the Switch 2 at all.
Can someone rephrase this sentence? I don’t understand it.
If you can only play mario on the switch, even if it costs a lot of money, people will generally buy the switch and the game.
Implying that people really like mario and that people are generally expected to do whatever it takes to play it.
He means “there are a ton of children with parents who cannot enforce boundaries and there are a ton of grown people who will make poor financial decisions”. Nintendo will exploit both
Hopefully someone will exploit Nintendo with a paper clip again
He’s basically saying “suck it up, buttercup”. They think people are going to have no choice but pay these prices, with all the crazy shit going on. Maybe the Switch 2 will be successful, but most of my adult video gamer friends have already said they are going to pass. Only the ones that still have small kids are considering it.
People will buy the Switch 2 and its games despite the high price because of the exclusive Nintendo games you can only play on that console.
Which is amusingly also what Xbox and PlayStation had before everything started coming to PC.
What part is unclear? You want to play Mario, you buy a Nintendo console.
nope. they might be counting dumptruckloads of cash, but $0.00 of it will have come from me
I believe he may be quite surprised soon when people don’t buy it.
Your friendly reminder that Half Life was $49 in 1998, which is roughly $100 today.
Cool, now do the cost of everything else and compare then to now and you might have some idea of why $80 for a video game is a bitter pill to swallow.
Friendly reminder that games from 1998 were just games and didn’t have endless predatory mechanics designed to cripple the game in some way to extract money from you after you bought them too.
Your friendly reminder that gaming back in 1998 was still not selling millions of copies as compared to now and revenue has for gaming has been rising significantly since.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/video-game-industry-revenues-by-platform/
Your friendly reminder that there were less than 1/10th of the people buying video games back then than there are now.
Also, Half-Life didn’t have a BattlePass, Time Savers, and other microtransactions.
Neither does Mario.
I’m not schocked by a game costing around 80$ as that’s already what a new game costs in my country.
I remember buying Final Fantasy 8 almost 30 years ago for above 90$ as a teenager.
I also kind of remember that NES and Super NES games were really expensive.
I’m not saying that I want the price of games to increase though and I think it’s weird that Nintendo is doing this when their games clearly aren’t the most expensive ones to create.
I know I won’t be buying a Switch 2and I think people should vote with their wallets.
How do you know how much it costs Nintendo to make these games? Do you have financial reports or something?
Have you seen the average Nintendo game? Unless they’re buying all of their developers solid gold keyboards to work on, I’m not seeing where the price justification comes from.
To be honest no, but I know that Mario Kart is making Nintendo a lot of money even if the game is really good and not the cheapest one.
I can’t blame Nintendo for trying to make more money, but don’t blame people for trying to spend less.
Game pricing hasn’t changed much, sure. I paid $70 for n64 games in 1996. But volume sure has
FFVIII sold 6 million copies in its first year, a huge commercial success, and has sold 9.6 million lifetime Ever juggernaut games like Mario 64 - 12 million copies. FFVII - 12.6 million Pokemon red blue green combined - 30 million Madden 2007 - 7.7 million (interestingly EA does not release sales figures for modern madden games, probably because sports games seem to make far more money from micro transactions than sales. NBA 2k for example sells around 7m units a year but is one of the highest grossing franchises in gaming)
More recent games:
baldurs gate 3 sold 15 million copies Elden ring 20 million Pokémon sword and shield - 27 million Diablo 3 30 million The Witcher 3 50 million Skyrim 60 million Rdr2 70 million GTA 5 200 million
So when people cry “wahh, videogame prices need to rise because inflation” remember that they are stupid and overlook the very basic fact that 20-30 years ago gaming was a niche activity that got nowhere near the volume it gets today. Any single game selling 50 million copies in the 90s or early 2000s, let alone 200 fucking million, was an insane pipe dream
What you’re saying clearly makes sense and I hadn’t thought about the fact that the videogames market had grown so much.
Still I also think it’s important to take into account that 80$ in 1999 isn’t 80$ in 2025.
I’m clearly not rooting to get more expensive games, but I want everything to be taken into account.
Anyway, I ain’t gonna buy any Nintendo console when how little my kids have used the Switch compared with the Playstation.
lol.
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