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If we compare the prices of two devices, we compare the prices of two devices, not the original factory price and a refurbished price.



Not an argument, you can also buy refurbished switch for 150 - 200



Nuclear options rarely are the best ones, especially in a case where the harm caused doesn’t even remotely warrant it.

Parents should keep an eye on their kids so this can’t happen. That’s what parents are supposed to do. Removing a good feature because “MUUUH THINK OF THE KIDS” is wrong.


I think more responsibility should be on the individual and responsibility on the parents for minors.

At least we can agree on that.

I do think that we should expect easier parental controls with more granular settings to be able to allow parents to protect their kids from risky trades

Steam has an entire parental control setup with family view where you can completely restrict your children from purchasing or selling anything without your consent.

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/view/4149575031735702628


Yes eBay and Amazon is responsible for not vetting sellers and buyers on their platforms

Guess we fundamentally disagree on this point then.


But if you put all the necessary systems in place to be a casino

I don’t even see that.

What I see is valve offering random items in chests and third party sites gambling your skins away. But these things are not linked in the slightest. I just don’t see how valve is responsible for third parties misusing their platform.

In general, I much prefer the valve system because if I pull an item from a chest that I don’t like I can sell it and potentially get something I need instead of having a dead skin lying around (and therefore literally losing money).


But you can buy products and then sell yhose if you wanted to for legal tender.

In league of legends, I can get random essence from the chests. If I get enough of those, I can buy stuff from the store I could also buy for real money.

The only difference with valve is that they just show the outright amount instead of hiding it behind vbucks or some other fictional currency.

you could sell enough skins to buy Valve’s products, including hardware such as the Steam Deck and their VR headset

Yes, but to me, this is even an upside. Playing CS:GO for years and being able to sell all the skins you collected and converting them into enough money for a steamdeck seems to be a great deal and awesome functionality. If I stop league of legends, all the skins I earned in the game are basically lost.

Is your critique solely because of loot boxes or something else? Because I feel we mess up two topics: Lootboxes being immoral (something I would agree with, but with much worse offenders) and third-party sites offering an illegal casino on valves platform. I just don’t see valve responsible for that but rather the third party sites.


Idk if you unironically think that csgo is built like a casino you either never touched csgo or never set foot in a casino ngl.


But why would they? Trading skins is a big part of the game. I enjoy trading/selling/buying skins every now and then. There is nothing bad about being able to trade stuff.

The problem occurs when third party sellers abuse your platform - but why you would be mad at valve instead of those sellers is beyond me.


So amazon or ebay are responsible for a merchant scamming you?

Wüsthof is responsible for people being stabbed with their knives?

Ferrari is responsible for people driving too fast and crashing with their cars?

Or if we extend it into absurdity: Are you responsible for paying taxes that your country uses for bad purposes?


First of all, you don’t really get “real life money” - you get steam credits. There is no way to convert skins into real money without somehow using a third party sites which is already circumventing steams market. In a casino, if you gamble, you get either money directly or you get credits that you can exchange back to money after you leave.

So yes, I do call him stupid or dishonest for considering it gambling. Valves system is in no way, shape or form worse than stuff like yugioh, magic the gathering or pokemon TCGs that have been available for over 20 years now and much more easiely available aswell to children or even specifically marketed to them.


Which is ironic because fortnite is specifically tailored to children/teens and has had lootboxes until they got sued, had to remove it and were like: “Oh actually we always though lootboxes were stupid :( so we removed them :( pls like us :(.”

Now they’re probably trying to harm valve this way, which is dumb because counter strike is rated 18+.

And yeeees, no kid gives a shit about age rating - well aware of that. But I’m not sueing porn sites because kids can access porn with just clicking “Yes” on the popup.


Sorry to say but I’m not sure if you’re just dishonest as fuck right now or really stupid.

You pull random items out of cases and can sell these items - if you feel like it, you can buy specific items on the market. I don’t see the casino functionality.


No, there’s companies that abuse valves market for their underground casinos.

I honestly don’t get why you are mad at valve when they are not even in the slighest involved in that process apart from offering the market system. That’s like being mad at cloudflare or AWS because a website that scams you uses it.



Ah yes, lets blame an unrelated platform instead of the ones that are abusing it.

Bold of you to call me simplistic lmaooo.


So we take away the market functionality from all players because 3rd party sites misuse it for gambling?

What a dumbshit take, sorry to say.


I don’t see why valve is responsible tho? Blame the gambling sites.



Indie games are the only games worth buying.

AAA is dead in the water for the most part, maybe exept the occasional fromsoft banger


I am well aware of that. But AGAIN, no dev that is self-published complains about the 30% cut because if he did all of the stuff steam does by himself he’d be paying WAY more than the 30% steam charges.


AnEcDoTaL eViDeNcE

With all due respect, fuck off. Publishers have been extorting the game industry for over 2 decades and yet people like are sitting around wanting more money from them. Go shill for some CEO but stop bothering me if you don’t want to see the fucking truth.


As someone that has assisted indie developers for years, I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a publisher that didn’t borderline extort his devs except if the head of the dev studio was playing golf with the CEO of the publishing company.


Well I’d also profit if groceries wouldn’t have doubled in price but we can’t all have what we want.

I can only repeat myself: Paying steam 30% of your revenue is next to nothing compared to what publishers are usually taking from an indie dev.


Yes but no solo developer with a single brain cell is complaining about steam taking 30% of the cut because they know that the value steam offers them is way less than that 30% cut.


Devs don’t complain about the cut anyways. Publishers do because they’re the one affected the most by the cut.




It’s not a games job to protect the children, but the parents job. It’s pretty weird we’ve got to this point here.



Absolutely, but pls keep in mind that most people do not mod their games


Not relevant. Games for consoles are much more optimized because there are just a few configurations.

A PC with similar specs as a console will very likely have worse performance if you compare them.


It’s still swallowing the entire industry

No, it’s not. There’s phenomenal indie games out there. Hades 2, Elfen Ring DLC and Black Myth Wukong are just some of the latest games I’m having a blast with, and then theres still rimworld, factorio, timberborn, CK3, Dead by Daylight … The list goes on. None of those games has Ads for ingame purchases (except DbD) and all of them are phenomenal.

None of them are AAA,truey, but idc. Theres so many fun games out there that idc what ubisoft, EA, Activision or other shit companies release.

I think iPhones are overpriced garbage, yet I’m not sitting here and asking for them to be banned - I just don’t buy it. I bought a used pixel 6, installed graphen, done.

I think casinos are stupid and a waste of money, yet I’m not sitting here and asking for them to be banned. I just don’t go there.

I think Microsoft, google and Amazon are terrible companies, yet I’m not sitting here and asking for them to be banned. I just don’t use their products and services.

Making a change starts with yourself. If you don’t buy their stuff, great - still plenty of great games out there.



True, but the problem is that there is no point to do it. Just use a database. Games are already centralized. Why bother?

Unless the big gaming companies come together and develop a system that would allow you, for example, to get skins in rainbow six siege and use them in battlefield or call of duty (which is almost impossible to build anyways because of different engines, model formats etc), there is absolutely no reason to have any decentralised crypto/nft bullshit involved.


Did you just wake up from a time capsule? Ubisoft hasn’t been good for over 10 years.