I’m a lifetime Windows user. I used to have to type run win3.exe on my first computer. I installed Linux mint on my new pc build a couple weeks ago and have been moving in and getting everything set up. Some people absolutely will make the change.
I held onto Windows 7 even a year or two past so-called the EOL. I had a pretty powerful rig and I wasn’t going to pay money to upgrade. Then I think Microsoft just gave Windows 8 for free?
I finally got on Windows 10 when I bought a premade gaming computer. Still not upgrading.
Pry it from my cold dead hands. I have linux on multiple computers, but it still can’t play all the games and give me my 5.1 surround. Despite all the claims, it’s still not ready for primetime to do all the things windows does.
What’s the issue with sound? I thought that was solved since… 15 years or so.
Can’t help with the games though, must anti cheat games won’t work without developer support. Do what you gotta do, but I’m interested in any issues that should be solvable with some config or swapping out a cheap card or something.
I did try alsamixer. It just didn’t like something about the headset. I use an optical connection and a 3rd party surround card, so I don’t know if that’s the issue. It’s pretty much moot because the game I use surround on the most won’t run because of anti-cheat.
If I did anything other than use my PC as a glorified gaming console, I might care about w10 not being updated anymore. Until games literally can’t work on the OS, I’ll stay on it. And when they do stop working, I’ll probably just install Linux.
Hmmm never had an issue with bloatware/spyware in Win11. I just turn things off if they ask me after and upgrade and away I go. Everything just works properly and the best part is all my devices work as expected.
Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last version I’d ever use. They didn’t know how right they were. I’ve been gradually switching to Linux, and will absolutely never use Windows 11 or any other version they put out.
Adobe needs to be abandoned as well. Clip Studio, Krita, Gimp, Affinity are either free OSS or one-time-payment great alternatives without the AI and privacy BS.
Are any of these a smooth transition coming from Adobe programs? I really don’t want to re-learn my entire workflow in InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop.
I’ve heard that Clip Studio is pretty close but I have not tried it yet. My experience with Gimp and Krita is that they are fairly close to Photoshop. That is to say that it would be easy for a Photoshop user to jump into those and start working. I have searched for the occasional “how to do XYZ in Gimp or Krita.”
I will never stop laughing at the absolute fucking joke of a suggestion that Gimp is a suitable replacement for Photoshop. It’s like saying MS Paint is a good enough replacement for Photoshop. No. Not even REMOTELY. I want alternatives, but Gimp is absolutely not it.
I’ve also mentioned this before but for those that need a more photoshop-like GIMP experience, try taking a look at PhotoGimp, it’s essentially a reskin+remap of all of the hotkeys to more closely match those of photoshop, and it works wonderfully.
Unfortunately, I seem to recall that Affinity doesn’t run well under wine. If only they would officially port it to Linux, that would be a major move for them and for Linux. Follow DaVinci Resolve’s and BitWig’s examples.
Sure, that’s definitely an option, I suppose with GPU passthrough (I’m not sure how well this works). My idea when I switch to Linux is to have Windows 11 and macOS VMs.
I just bought a laptop last year (portability and space constraints, I’d love to build a pc when I have the space for it) and it was supposed to come with windows 10.
I got a windows 11 model shipped to me. I didn’t ask for this. And I have to say… I fucking hate it. Why does the start menu need to change locations…
My next computer will absolutely be Linux, and it’s Microsoft’s own stupid fault. Windows 10 WAS supposed to be my last windows OS…
Windows 11 is shit and you’d be much happier with Fedora. You don’t need a nrćew computer, just install it on this one. That said, you can move the start button to the left and even install https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu if you force yourself to try sticking with Windows
That would be great, but unfortunately for me I have too many programs that depend on windows, don’t have Linux options, and if I’m being honest with myself I really just don’t want to learn an entirely new ecosystem. I will if forced, but the moment this laptop shits itself or they discontinue support for the OS, I’m getting a crash course.
I’d love to turn an old tablet or somethinf into a Linux device in the meantime so I can at least start something. Too bad my parent’s old kindles won’t work, there’s enough of them laying around their house…
Most Windows programs can run through WINE, and the ones that can’t can usually be run in a Windows virtual machine. Try a Bootable USB with the distro you might want (I personally recommend Garuda). You don’t need to commit right away, but I bet you’ll have an easier time than you expect.
The INFINITELY bigger question is why isn’t it my choice? I actually just modified my windows 10 to have the start menu be centered, but like, it should just be completely customizable to your liking… as if it were your own computer or something. If I wanted everything locked down and baby proofed I would have just bought a Mac.
Oh fuck yeah gimme that customization and personalization options
I used to use a program on one of my computers called rainmeter I think, and it allowed me to customize my desktop to look like the Animus menus from Assassin’s creed 2. Then decided to go with hexagons everywhere, with the replacement start menu dead center screen and other buttons areayed out from there.
Haven’t used it in many years, but I’d love that level of customization* on a pc nowadays. It seems like no matter where I go, every UI looks the same. Good for familiarity, not so much for “oh this is neat, they made it their own” factor.
*without learning entire programming languages, I hyperfixate on things but programming has never been something I’ve been able to get into
Switch to Linux. KDE is pretty easy to customize out of the box. There’s other DEs that can have more or less, harder or easier options too, but KDE is probably the best moving from Windows.
There’s no reason to wait. You don’t need to buy the computer with the OS installed. Just install Linux now. They should be punished for forcing Windows 11 on you, not rewarded by you using it for a few more years.
I can get Start Citizen running on Linux, but I want to use head tracking when I fly, and there is currently no Linux support for the Tobii eye tracker I have.
Then again, maybe Tobii adds Linux support before SC becomes playable enough for me to actually enjoy it, 🙃
I’m pretty sure the final version of Windows 10 LTSC 2021 had its window of support shortened to five years to align with the end of support. Only windows 10 LTSC 2019 has 10 years of support. If you’re using LTSC 2019 for gaming please be aware you will be missing any features released for windows 10 that were released after version 1809. This will harm game performance for a lot of newer titles and hardware.
I’m on IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021. As far as I’m aware it’s up to date, and if not I don’t really use my PC for modern games anyway. Still good to know though.
You can also get the iso direct from Massgrave’s site, along with the KMS activator. Your choice, but I do expect the people behind the Internet Archive to have checked for malware in some capacity. They do have a legitimate research and archivist reputation to uphold.
I finally upgraded to 11 last week by accident. Apparently one misclick means straight to next version with no cancel. So after the upgrade first thing I did was get o&o shutup10 to kill the spywares.
This is exactly what Microsoft are counting on, that people will simply go “oh well” and just carry on with Windows 11, because any effort needed to move away is too much effort.
Have you succeeded in making things less crappy? I’ve been debating the upgrade for a while and I’m basically hoping this is possible by the time I do it. I already use shutup10 on win10, but I wasn’t if win11 kneecaps it somehow or not.
Start menu is permanently lacking features. But besides that it’s not a major change. There is third party softwares that puts back 10 style or other start menus, but heard there are issues with windows updates. Besides that just get shutup10 again and tick stuff off. Pretty much solves it imo.
I thought I already replied to this, but apparently not. Sorry for the late response.
The start menu no longer has the windows 10 tiles. It’s just search and icons of apps you’ve pinned. Similar to phone app menu. You can put some into folders/groups together. And that’s it. There’s no further customization possible.
You can get third party solution to bring back more features such as Start11 from Stardock, but that means paying for an additional software and I’ve heard it gets buggy with windows updates.
There are still people so powerful they manage to use Windows XP in this day and age. My intuition says most people will be able to use Windows 10 for at least one more decade with minimal issues, after that it will gradually become trickier, but it will still be usable even in 20-30 years with advanced hacks if humanity doesn’t go extinct by then.
Yeah, I don’t use critical software that doesn’t get security updates, and an OS is super critical.
If you’re going to stick with ancient software, at least throw it in a VM so it can’t screw up everything else (and don’t let it touch the rest of your network).
Seriously the posts on here make me laugh so much. Linux has never felt like more of a cult than since I’ve been on Lemmy… And I use Linux! But I also use Windows! I used Windows XP, 7 and 8 all well past their prime and will do the same with 10.
This, to me, is the worst sin of Windows 11. One of the greatest benefits Windows had compared to macOS was that it used to be backward compatible with really old hardware. Real pro move to get rid of that.
Edit: I bought a cheap micro form factor PC that I thought would support Windows 11 natively. Haha, no, the 6 year old CPU on that was not supported.
I just swapped to Ubuntu on my straggler/media server Windows 10 desktop. Have been running Gentoo on another PC for years but never had so much trouble as trying to setup bumblebee with a GTX960 - holy crap nvidia suck so hard. The other PC is all AMD so I was living in blissful ignorance.
They are gonna have to pry windows 10 from my cold dead hands. I was sold 10 on the premise that it was going to be “the last windows OS I would need”.
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I think most users just get a new device eventually. So as long the OEM have to get Ms licenses. Windows will still be around.
I’m a lifetime Windows user. I used to have to type run win3.exe on my first computer. I installed Linux mint on my new pc build a couple weeks ago and have been moving in and getting everything set up. Some people absolutely will make the change.
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I held onto Windows 7 even a year or two past so-called the EOL. I had a pretty powerful rig and I wasn’t going to pay money to upgrade. Then I think Microsoft just gave Windows 8 for free?
I finally got on Windows 10 when I bought a premade gaming computer. Still not upgrading.
Sword of Damocles? More like the sword of Microsoft can go fuck itself!
Pry it from my cold dead hands. I have linux on multiple computers, but it still can’t play all the games and give me my 5.1 surround. Despite all the claims, it’s still not ready for primetime to do all the things windows does.
What’s the issue with sound? I thought that was solved since… 15 years or so.
Can’t help with the games though, must anti cheat games won’t work without developer support. Do what you gotta do, but I’m interested in any issues that should be solvable with some config or swapping out a cheap card or something.
Can’t get the surround on my A50s. Yeah, normal stereo is fine out of the box.
Have you tried messing with either pulsesudio or alsamixer? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1304002/how-to-enable-5-1-sound-on-ubuntu-20-04#1304054
I personally just use stereo on my PC, but I’ve seen home theater setups w/ surround sound, so I know it’s possible.
I did try alsamixer. It just didn’t like something about the headset. I use an optical connection and a 3rd party surround card, so I don’t know if that’s the issue. It’s pretty much moot because the game I use surround on the most won’t run because of anti-cheat.
That’s too bad. If Linux becomes an option, please hop on a chat or something and I’m sure someone can get you sorted.
If I did anything other than use my PC as a glorified gaming console, I might care about w10 not being updated anymore. Until games literally can’t work on the OS, I’ll stay on it. And when they do stop working, I’ll probably just install Linux.
Join us, you know you want to.
Windows 10??? I’m still using windows 8.1 lmao
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Hmmm never had an issue with bloatware/spyware in Win11. I just turn things off if they ask me after and upgrade and away I go. Everything just works properly and the best part is all my devices work as expected.
Shhh, people don’t want to hear that they can change things they don’t like. They just want to complain about things they’ve never used.
Welcome to the club!
At the moment I’m 50/50 between switching over to Linux full-time, or full booting Windows 10 LTSC.
But having had to use it for work, I am adamant in saying that Windows 11 will never touch my home system drive.
One of us, one of us, one of us.
Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last version I’d ever use. They didn’t know how right they were. I’ve been gradually switching to Linux, and will absolutely never use Windows 11 or any other version they put out.
The second creative cloud is on Linux the share of windows users will drop dramatically.
Adobe needs to be abandoned as well. Clip Studio, Krita, Gimp, Affinity are either free OSS or one-time-payment great alternatives without the AI and privacy BS.
Are any of these a smooth transition coming from Adobe programs? I really don’t want to re-learn my entire workflow in InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop.
I’ve heard that Clip Studio is pretty close but I have not tried it yet. My experience with Gimp and Krita is that they are fairly close to Photoshop. That is to say that it would be easy for a Photoshop user to jump into those and start working. I have searched for the occasional “how to do XYZ in Gimp or Krita.”
Thanks! I’ll eventually give them a try…
I will never stop laughing at the absolute fucking joke of a suggestion that Gimp is a suitable replacement for Photoshop. It’s like saying MS Paint is a good enough replacement for Photoshop. No. Not even REMOTELY. I want alternatives, but Gimp is absolutely not it.
PEBKAC
Cooooooope.
I’ve also mentioned this before but for those that need a more photoshop-like GIMP experience, try taking a look at PhotoGimp, it’s essentially a reskin+remap of all of the hotkeys to more closely match those of photoshop, and it works wonderfully.
Once they update it to use Gimp 3 it should be a blast
Copium. Gimp is more akin to MS Paint than Photoshop.
Lol. No. You just don’t know how to use it yet. That’s fine, but don’t blame the software.
Cooooooope. 🤣
Unfortunately, I seem to recall that Affinity doesn’t run well under wine. If only they would officially port it to Linux, that would be a major move for them and for Linux. Follow DaVinci Resolve’s and BitWig’s examples.
what about virtual machines?
Sure, that’s definitely an option, I suppose with GPU passthrough (I’m not sure how well this works). My idea when I switch to Linux is to have Windows 11 and macOS VMs.
under the marketing it’s still 10.x.
Marketing is 11, I think you’re referring to the kernel version, which can’t change due to stupid legacy software.
I built a new gaming PC and installed Linux on it. After years of threatening to do it, I finally followed through and made the switch.
Good luck and godspeed
I just bought a laptop last year (portability and space constraints, I’d love to build a pc when I have the space for it) and it was supposed to come with windows 10.
I got a windows 11 model shipped to me. I didn’t ask for this. And I have to say… I fucking hate it. Why does the start menu need to change locations…
My next computer will absolutely be Linux, and it’s Microsoft’s own stupid fault. Windows 10 WAS supposed to be my last windows OS…
I bought a laptop right after windows 11 was released. I hated it so much, I returned the laptop a few days later and bought a windows 10 one instead.
Completely Linux now except that gaming laptop, but this year is the year of the Linux desktop! For me at least.
Windows 11 is shit and you’d be much happier with Fedora. You don’t need a nrćew computer, just install it on this one. That said, you can move the start button to the left and even install https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu if you force yourself to try sticking with Windows
Win 11 is the reason I finally decided to switch. My work gave us all Win 11 machines and I hate it.
Fortunately I don’t do too much on my computer besides gaming so Steam can do all the heavy lifting for me
That would be great, but unfortunately for me I have too many programs that depend on windows, don’t have Linux options, and if I’m being honest with myself I really just don’t want to learn an entirely new ecosystem. I will if forced, but the moment this laptop shits itself or they discontinue support for the OS, I’m getting a crash course.
I’d love to turn an old tablet or somethinf into a Linux device in the meantime so I can at least start something. Too bad my parent’s old kindles won’t work, there’s enough of them laying around their house…
I’ve been making the switch on my own new PC, some programs I was concerned about can be run ok through Lutris. It’s been an adjustment but no regrets
Most Windows programs can run through WINE, and the ones that can’t can usually be run in a Windows virtual machine. Try a Bootable USB with the distro you might want (I personally recommend Garuda). You don’t need to commit right away, but I bet you’ll have an easier time than you expect.
The INFINITELY bigger question is why isn’t it my choice? I actually just modified my windows 10 to have the start menu be centered, but like, it should just be completely customizable to your liking… as if it were your own computer or something. If I wanted everything locked down and baby proofed I would have just bought a Mac.
It is your choice, and you can customize it to be on the left.
I don’t think you read my comment before you decided to respond to what you thought it said.
Oh fuck yeah gimme that customization and personalization options
I used to use a program on one of my computers called rainmeter I think, and it allowed me to customize my desktop to look like the Animus menus from Assassin’s creed 2. Then decided to go with hexagons everywhere, with the replacement start menu dead center screen and other buttons areayed out from there.
Haven’t used it in many years, but I’d love that level of customization* on a pc nowadays. It seems like no matter where I go, every UI looks the same. Good for familiarity, not so much for “oh this is neat, they made it their own” factor.
*without learning entire programming languages, I hyperfixate on things but programming has never been something I’ve been able to get into
Switch to Linux. KDE is pretty easy to customize out of the box. There’s other DEs that can have more or less, harder or easier options too, but KDE is probably the best moving from Windows.
There’s no reason to wait. You don’t need to buy the computer with the OS installed. Just install Linux now. They should be punished for forcing Windows 11 on you, not rewarded by you using it for a few more years.
Just like a Linux user to tell everyone they use Linux. Classic.
“How do you know [thing you only learn if people tell you]? don’t worry, they’ll tell you”
I upgraded to Windows 11 on my gaming rig two days ago, and at the same time I switched the default boot option to Linux. Let’s see how this pans out.
I’ll still need Windows around for specific games, but the ones I usually play seem to work on Linux.
I’m curious which specific games you still need Windows for? I’m only aware of a handful (Riot games and some Chinese ones).
I can get Start Citizen running on Linux, but I want to use head tracking when I fly, and there is currently no Linux support for the Tobii eye tracker I have.
Then again, maybe Tobii adds Linux support before SC becomes playable enough for me to actually enjoy it, 🙃
The ones using rootkit drm stuff probably :/
i’ll just use virtual machines for win11
Windows 10 LTSC is supported until 2032 or so. I’ll be avoiding upgrading for a long time.
I’m pretty sure the final version of Windows 10 LTSC 2021 had its window of support shortened to five years to align with the end of support. Only windows 10 LTSC 2019 has 10 years of support. If you’re using LTSC 2019 for gaming please be aware you will be missing any features released for windows 10 that were released after version 1809. This will harm game performance for a lot of newer titles and hardware.
I’m on IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021. As far as I’m aware it’s up to date, and if not I don’t really use my PC for modern games anyway. Still good to know though.
LTSC 2021 - until 2027 - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2021
But…
IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 - until 2032 - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-iot-enterprise-ltsc-2021
How do you get a copy of that? I tried poking around but MS has the shittiest docs.
Something about a mass grave.
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Something something .dev
Found a copy on archive.org.
After that, you just need a KMS activator. Massgrave’s is typically the recommended one.
Ngl that looks sketchy as fuck. Definitely gonna check the hash on that one if I can.
You can also get the iso direct from Massgrave’s site, along with the KMS activator. Your choice, but I do expect the people behind the Internet Archive to have checked for malware in some capacity. They do have a legitimate research and archivist reputation to uphold.
Looking through things available in the Internet Archive, I don’t think there’s a lot of active moderation, to be honest.
I checked the hash, it matches
I finally upgraded to 11 last week by accident. Apparently one misclick means straight to next version with no cancel. So after the upgrade first thing I did was get o&o shutup10 to kill the spywares.
P.s. I know I can revert. But that’s also effort.
Hadn’t heard of shutup10, I’ll be digging into this tonight
Revert then.
This is exactly what Microsoft are counting on, that people will simply go “oh well” and just carry on with Windows 11, because any effort needed to move away is too much effort.
Prove them wrong. Stand up for yourself.
Y’all are crazy. This is a holy crusade lol
TIL having self-respect is “crazy” and a “holy crusade.”
What a fucking simp you are. Sad.
Why don’t you go smoke some weed you angry little man
Lemmy be toxic yo
You say as dozens of foaming mouth lemmings pile on thinking themselves somehow as good for being this ingrained in their group think.
In other words, yeah, totally agree.
Have you succeeded in making things less crappy? I’ve been debating the upgrade for a while and I’m basically hoping this is possible by the time I do it. I already use shutup10 on win10, but I wasn’t if win11 kneecaps it somehow or not.
Get a copy of Win 11 Pro
Install with English (UK) as your language (doesn’t prevent you from using whatever keyboard layout you want or setting your clock to your timezone)
Activate using tools that can easily be found on the interwebs
Deactivate the privacy infringing stuff
Tada, none of the problems people complain about
This is a good overview though I wouldn’t know how to do the specifics like get pro (I have 10 home), or deactivate all the infringing stuff.
What’s the UK trick? Is that just a better version or something?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
Download multi version ISO
Windows settings has all the privacy stuff but they ask you to approve (or not) a bunch of it on installation
The UK trick makes you “a European” and there’s a bunch of laws that restricts the bullshit…
I thought I already responded to this, but thank you!
Start menu is permanently lacking features. But besides that it’s not a major change. There is third party softwares that puts back 10 style or other start menus, but heard there are issues with windows updates. Besides that just get shutup10 again and tick stuff off. Pretty much solves it imo.
What’s missing from start? I don’t actually use the start menu much so not sure I would miss anything anyway.
I thought I already replied to this, but apparently not. Sorry for the late response.
The start menu no longer has the windows 10 tiles. It’s just search and icons of apps you’ve pinned. Similar to phone app menu. You can put some into folders/groups together. And that’s it. There’s no further customization possible.
You can get third party solution to bring back more features such as Start11 from Stardock, but that means paying for an additional software and I’ve heard it gets buggy with windows updates.
No worries, and thanks for the reply!
Miss click? You could’ve read what it said though.
There are still people so powerful they manage to use Windows XP in this day and age. My intuition says most people will be able to use Windows 10 for at least one more decade with minimal issues, after that it will gradually become trickier, but it will still be usable even in 20-30 years with advanced hacks if humanity doesn’t go extinct by then.
“Powerful” probably wouldn’t be the word I’d use given that security updates have stopped. Maybe “foolhardy”?
Yeah, I don’t use critical software that doesn’t get security updates, and an OS is super critical.
If you’re going to stick with ancient software, at least throw it in a VM so it can’t screw up everything else (and don’t let it touch the rest of your network).
Seriously the posts on here make me laugh so much. Linux has never felt like more of a cult than since I’ve been on Lemmy… And I use Linux! But I also use Windows! I used Windows XP, 7 and 8 all well past their prime and will do the same with 10.
Those people are called doctors and they deserve your respect!
I’m one of them. My 6th generation processor means that Windows 10 will be the last version of windows that this machine runs.
This, to me, is the worst sin of Windows 11. One of the greatest benefits Windows had compared to macOS was that it used to be backward compatible with really old hardware. Real pro move to get rid of that.
Edit: I bought a cheap micro form factor PC that I thought would support Windows 11 natively. Haha, no, the 6 year old CPU on that was not supported.
I just swapped to Ubuntu on my straggler/media server Windows 10 desktop. Have been running Gentoo on another PC for years but never had so much trouble as trying to setup bumblebee with a GTX960 - holy crap nvidia suck so hard. The other PC is all AMD so I was living in blissful ignorance.
Sword of Linuxcles.
They are gonna have to pry windows 10 from my cold dead hands. I was sold 10 on the premise that it was going to be “the last windows OS I would need”.
Fuck you Microsoft.