It appears another "gigaleak" has gone down, involving Nintendo. According to sources online, it appears that Game Freak has been hacked, resulting in internal data from the company being leaked to the public. Those involved in the hacking community or those within general Pokemon related groups...
They literally never introduce any new concepts to their games I think the last new innovation in the pokemon game is supposed to allow you to have two vs two. That was about 10 years ago I think
I like to shit on Pokemon and Nintendo as much as the rest of them but this isn’t really true. Legends: Arceus, while not a great pokemon game overall, introduced several new mechanics, some of which then made their way into Scarlet/Violet. The biggest and best of which, in my opinion, is the ability to catch wild pokemon without battling them.
You have always been able to throw a ball at an unharmed Pokémon to capture it. Just had a very low chance of success unless it was either very low level or it was a great ball or one of the other ones they introduced later. But even back in red and blue you could always try it and it might work.
Copyright of code doesn’t work that way. Now if some idiot goes and uses that code in a game, yeah, they’d have a rough time in court.
If Nintendo thought there was infringement already, and wanted to prove it in court, there are means to securely prove it with redactions and NDA’s and so forth as it would be considered trade secret.
Tor is only as safe and as secure as the person using it.
Most people think just installing Tor and running protects them and their identity. Most don’t even look at things like DNS leaks or think a VPN plus Tor helps, that being said. Tor and Mullvad are probably as private and as secure as you can get by default.
I’m surely talking out of my rear-end, but isn’t possible for an eventual developer to go the way of the SM64 port: having to provide a rom in order to get the assets? As far as I know, those responsible of said port haven’t been bothered by Nintendo.
It’s like Lenin said, you look for the person who will benefit… And, uh… You know, you’ll, uh… You know what I mean.
The Dude
„Who benefits the most” from attacking Internet Archive? Big copyright holders whose content was distributed via Internet Archive. The reason given by the group claiming responsibility is so silly I don’t believe it.
[edit] I’ll add to this comment so that I don’t have to reply to everyone specifically.
I don’t believe that if you wanted to attack USA (as people claiming responsibility did) you’d attack it in a way that benefits big corporations most. It sounds like a flimsy distraction from true perpetrators.
You can believe what you want, but there’s absolutely no way you would be correct. Any large company sponsoring a cyber attack, if caught, would be nailed to the wall and made an example of. The extreme risks are simply not worth the comparatively small reward of reducing a tiny fraction of piracy.
A more realistic and reasonable avenue would have been to sponsor the companies going after IA for copyright infringement as a result of them loaning out unlimited digital copies of books without DRM.
This is a conspiracy theory I’m completely behind. With all the moves Nintendo has made recently this was the first thing I thought when Internet Archive was compromised
I’m waiting in for the headline in a couple days or so:
Another hack at Gamefreak: Hackers upload fixed source codes
Unknown hackers have fixed the frame rate issues while upgrading the graphics quality to the level of the earliest Switch titles like Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild.
Why wouldn’t torrenting the source code of proprietary software would be a legal issue? I don’t care of you do it but I’m curious why you only think it’s a moral issue.
Why wouldn’t torrenting the source code of proprietary software would be a legal issue?
It would be a legal issue. But it’s not a moral issue, which is why so few people are showing sympathy for Nintendo. They lose nothing if someone gets a copy of the code - there’s no victim. They do however have a LONG reputation for weaponizing the legal system by attacking fans with frivolous lawsuits - those DO have a victim, and are therefore a moral issue with Nintendo as the aggressor.
But regardless of context, again don’t conflate legality with morality. Ever. History is absolutely stuffed with atrocities that adhere to established law, that doesn’t make those atrocities okay. Videogame code is pretty minescule compared to legal attrocities like slavery or the holocost etc, but point remains that the law in-and-of-itself doesn’t mean shit.
@[email protected] showed me where I was confused. I thought YOU were calling this a moral issue; I just understood your comment wrong.
I am well aware of how Nintendo treats emulator devs, game modders, organizations that make better games in the same genre, and full blown ROM distribution websites exactly the same even though only one of these groups of people are breaking any laws.
I think their point is that you said “but I am overall against these practices, since they are just illegal”, as in you’re against something because it’s illegal not because it’s immoral
Good. Couldn’t have happened to a worse company other than Nintendo.
Now people can verify if Gamefreak’s excuses for not including all Pokemon in each game since the Switch games are real. And verify how low effort their games are.
Nintendo aren’t the worst company. Not even the worst gaming company. Not when they have competition like Ubisoft and Warner Brothers and EA and Activision.
Of course, if it weren’t for the presence of the aforementioned companies, Nintendo would be the worst.
As bad as they are, EA isn’t sending lawyers to every fan project that revives their old games, they are just regular greedy, not petty greedy. Ubisoft to this day ignores Rayman Redemption too.
I don’t know why people defend Gary Bowser like he is an innocent dude.
He was part of a Hacker Group that hacked Nintendo Switch, 3DS, GameCube, NES Classic, Xbox and Xbox 360, PlayStation.
They SOLD the hacked device’s.
He wasn’t your Neighbor that hacked your Switch for a beer. They made Business with it for 10 years.
Besides that, Nintendo wasn’t the Person who decided the sentence. It was a Judge.
What do you think Nintendo should do?
The Judge ruled him for Prison and 14.5 Million and Nintendo says publicly: “No thanks.”
Yeah the sentence is way to hard, but the problem is the law and the Judge.
As I mentioned in other comments, I have no illusions that Gary Bowser is innocent or didn’t bring this all on himself. It’s his own fault he kept doing what he was doing.
However, the court doesn’t follow Gary from job to job initiating the process to garnish his wages.
It’s nintendo who is continuing to persecute Gary at this point, not the courts. Garnishing someone’s minimum wage job as a billion dollar corporation is uniquely evil.
I could be wrong, but I have not seen anything remotely close from EA, activision, blizzard, Microsoft, Sony, etc. and my original point was this is uniquely evil to Nintendo.
Sony in the early 2000 was going crazy for Modchips for PS2.
They had multiple Cord cases in Europe, in
multiple countries and many People needed to pay money in different Country’s.
Later in 2011 George Hotz hacked the PS3, Sony warned him and he stopped. So we don’t know how it would have ended if Sony and George ended up in Cord.
Nintendo also warned Team Xecuter multiple times but the Team wasn’t interested in stopping.
There isn’t much difference between PlayStation and Nintendo.
Now people can verify if Gamefreak’s excuses for not including all Pokemon in each game since the Switch games are real. And verify how low effort their games are.
Wasn’t it true, but due to time not technical issues. Basically they keep redoing/remaking from scratch sprites instead of re-using them.
Evidence wouldn’t be as concrete as source code, but there was plenty of evidence from data miners. Gamefreak kept moving goal posts when it came to why it wasn’t feasible for Sword and Shield to have all the Pokémon which is my frustration with that situation. I think they complained about the capacity of the cartridge the games were stored on was one, which was readily proven wrong. Dont quote me on that. But I do think the situation with the models was ultimately the case.
Nah, some folks got a hold of the wire frames for the sprites from the that version and the previous version and showed most were identical. Of those that weren’t, many were only slightly modified, and clearly not generated from scratch.
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Don’t nobody want that trash codebase.
Hobbyists have made Pokemon clones in their basement for decades. They never needed the source code.
If I’m not mistaken, there’s an entire online RPG ran by hobbyists.
They literally never introduce any new concepts to their games I think the last new innovation in the pokemon game is supposed to allow you to have two vs two. That was about 10 years ago I think
I think there are triple battles now. Those might be 10 years old
I’m so so sorry to do this to you. Double battles were introduced with Ruby and Sapphire… 22 years ago…
Vicious rumor spreading will not be tolerated. The '90s were 15 years ago
I like to shit on Pokemon and Nintendo as much as the rest of them but this isn’t really true. Legends: Arceus, while not a great pokemon game overall, introduced several new mechanics, some of which then made their way into Scarlet/Violet. The biggest and best of which, in my opinion, is the ability to catch wild pokemon without battling them.
You have always been able to throw a ball at an unharmed Pokémon to capture it. Just had a very low chance of success unless it was either very low level or it was a great ball or one of the other ones they introduced later. But even back in red and blue you could always try it and it might work.
but you still had to initiate a battle. Unless you’re just playing stupid, you should go watch some Arceus gameplay to see what I mean.
Maybe this was an intentional leak. Now the Nintendo lawyers can claim they’ve used stolen proprietary code?
Copyright of code doesn’t work that way. Now if some idiot goes and uses that code in a game, yeah, they’d have a rough time in court.
If Nintendo thought there was infringement already, and wanted to prove it in court, there are means to securely prove it with redactions and NDA’s and so forth as it would be considered trade secret.
I think they may be making a joke about how flimsy Nintendo’s patent case is, since the alleged patent was filed this past July
I was.
It’s not about the code. It’s about sending a message.
Noooo what a tragedy!
Nintendo deserves only the worst for killing yuzu and ryujinx
Can I already get my hopes up for some PC ports?
Probably not, that’d be piracy, and I’m sure that Nintendo will sue them to hell. 😅
Tor
Tor is only as safe and as secure as the person using it.
Most people think just installing Tor and running protects them and their identity. Most don’t even look at things like DNS leaks or think a VPN plus Tor helps, that being said. Tor and Mullvad are probably as private and as secure as you can get by default.
Most people don’t make a Pokemon clone and don’t need a Tor onion service to stop it getting censored.
This is bad advice. Using a VPN with tor makes you much easier to track.
Definitely, you don’t need a VPN. If you’re really worried about your first hop traffic standing out or being blocked, use the obfs4 bridges.
@[email protected] and @[email protected].
I’m surely talking out of my rear-end, but isn’t possible for an eventual developer to go the way of the SM64 port: having to provide a rom in order to get the assets? As far as I know, those responsible of said port haven’t been bothered by Nintendo.
There are a lot of fangames that contain regions and their Pokemon from original games, with some enhancements. You could try these.
Technically yes but I doubt anyone would go through the effort only to be sued into oblivion.
Good.
Patent the code and sue Nintendo when they release the game.
You can’t patent code, and it’s automatically copyright protected. Nintendo just needs to prove they wrote the code originally, which should be easy.
Omg LMAO!!! This is actually genius.
It’s nonsensical, so not really.
You clearly don’t understand the joke
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You get what you fucking deserve, Nintendo.
Not even close to enough but at least it’s a start!!
Fuck yeah, going to compile me some free Pokémon!
In my head this is a retribution for financing hackers that attacked Internet Archive and nobody can convince me otherwise
Nintendo was responsible for that?
The Dude
„Who benefits the most” from attacking Internet Archive? Big copyright holders whose content was distributed via Internet Archive. The reason given by the group claiming responsibility is so silly I don’t believe it.
[edit] I’ll add to this comment so that I don’t have to reply to everyone specifically.
I don’t believe that if you wanted to attack USA (as people claiming responsibility did) you’d attack it in a way that benefits big corporations most. It sounds like a flimsy distraction from true perpetrators.
You can believe what you want, but there’s absolutely no way you would be correct. Any large company sponsoring a cyber attack, if caught, would be nailed to the wall and made an example of. The extreme risks are simply not worth the comparatively small reward of reducing a tiny fraction of piracy.
A more realistic and reasonable avenue would have been to sponsor the companies going after IA for copyright infringement as a result of them loaning out unlimited digital copies of books without DRM.
This is a conspiracy theory I’m completely behind. With all the moves Nintendo has made recently this was the first thing I thought when Internet Archive was compromised
I’m waiting in for the headline in a couple days or so:
Forgot: “Nintendo is suing all of them!”
Lol, but Game Freak’s code is spaghetti, to the point where decomps are easier to read than the actual source files.
Is there a remind me bot like reddit?
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@tomsh Here is your reminder!
Neat
Surprised someone hasn’t made one yet
Edit: someone developed it but nobody is hosting it lol. I would host it but my server is broken right now.
https://github.com/iceHtwoO/lemmyremindyou
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Ive no interest but hopefully there are torrents soon for those who are interested.
It’s a huge deal for hardcore fans, but I am overall against these practices, since they are just illegal, period.
Don’t conflate legality with morality.
Why wouldn’t torrenting the source code of proprietary software would be a legal issue? I don’t care of you do it but I’m curious why you only think it’s a moral issue.
Ya got those flipped.
What did I get flipped?
Legality vs morality
It would be a legal issue. But it’s not a moral issue, which is why so few people are showing sympathy for Nintendo. They lose nothing if someone gets a copy of the code - there’s no victim. They do however have a LONG reputation for weaponizing the legal system by attacking fans with frivolous lawsuits - those DO have a victim, and are therefore a moral issue with Nintendo as the aggressor.
But regardless of context, again don’t conflate legality with morality. Ever. History is absolutely stuffed with atrocities that adhere to established law, that doesn’t make those atrocities okay. Videogame code is pretty minescule compared to legal attrocities like slavery or the holocost etc, but point remains that the law in-and-of-itself doesn’t mean shit.
Also fuck Nintendo.
@[email protected] showed me where I was confused. I thought YOU were calling this a moral issue; I just understood your comment wrong.
I am well aware of how Nintendo treats emulator devs, game modders, organizations that make better games in the same genre, and full blown ROM distribution websites exactly the same even though only one of these groups of people are breaking any laws.
I think their point is that you said “but I am overall against these practices, since they are just illegal”, as in you’re against something because it’s illegal not because it’s immoral
Thank you for clearing up my confusion. I felt I missed something. (Also, I didn’t post that, I was just confused by the one who replied to it.)
Now that’s really interesting! I wonder where I can go to see this stuff…
Good. Couldn’t have happened to a worse company other than Nintendo.
Now people can verify if Gamefreak’s excuses for not including all Pokemon in each game since the Switch games are real. And verify how low effort their games are.
Source code is only for HG/SS and B2W2, so we still can’t verify anything about the newer genes
Damn. Too bad. But those are both interesting games to have the source code of.
Is the source code for HG/SS the latest or is it from an earlier build?
Nintendo aren’t the worst company. Not even the worst gaming company. Not when they have competition like Ubisoft and Warner Brothers and EA and Activision.
Of course, if it weren’t for the presence of the aforementioned companies, Nintendo would be the worst.
As bad as they are, EA isn’t sending lawyers to every fan project that revives their old games, they are just regular greedy, not petty greedy. Ubisoft to this day ignores Rayman Redemption too.
I mean they take like 33% of that guy named bowser’s life earnings. Which are severely reduced because they also got him thrown in jail for a felony.
That’s pretty uniquely evil
I don’t know why people defend Gary Bowser like he is an innocent dude. He was part of a Hacker Group that hacked Nintendo Switch, 3DS, GameCube, NES Classic, Xbox and Xbox 360, PlayStation. They SOLD the hacked device’s. He wasn’t your Neighbor that hacked your Switch for a beer. They made Business with it for 10 years. Besides that, Nintendo wasn’t the Person who decided the sentence. It was a Judge. What do you think Nintendo should do? The Judge ruled him for Prison and 14.5 Million and Nintendo says publicly: “No thanks.” Yeah the sentence is way to hard, but the problem is the law and the Judge.
As I mentioned in other comments, I have no illusions that Gary Bowser is innocent or didn’t bring this all on himself. It’s his own fault he kept doing what he was doing.
However, the court doesn’t follow Gary from job to job initiating the process to garnish his wages.
It’s nintendo who is continuing to persecute Gary at this point, not the courts. Garnishing someone’s minimum wage job as a billion dollar corporation is uniquely evil.
I could be wrong, but I have not seen anything remotely close from EA, activision, blizzard, Microsoft, Sony, etc. and my original point was this is uniquely evil to Nintendo.
Sony in the early 2000 was going crazy for Modchips for PS2. They had multiple Cord cases in Europe, in multiple countries and many People needed to pay money in different Country’s.
Later in 2011 George Hotz hacked the PS3, Sony warned him and he stopped. So we don’t know how it would have ended if Sony and George ended up in Cord.
Nintendo also warned Team Xecuter multiple times but the Team wasn’t interested in stopping. There isn’t much difference between PlayStation and Nintendo.
That’s hardly unique when damages exceed what a person can pay, wage garnishing is actually relatively common.
Nintendo also gave Gary Bowser a warning and he signed an agreement saying he would stop his illegal activities… and then he continued anyway.
They gave him an out at no cost and instead he landed himself in prison because he fucked around and found out.
I agree that bowser brought the final outcome on himself, however, that does not expunge Nintendo of guilt.
They continue to collect their 30% or however much it is.
In what way is Nintendo guilty?
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Wasn’t it true, but due to time not technical issues. Basically they keep redoing/remaking from scratch sprites instead of re-using them.
Nope. The models have stayed the same from X&Y to Sword and Shield. Only in Scarlet and Violet have they been given an upgrade.
Evidence wouldn’t be as concrete as source code, but there was plenty of evidence from data miners. Gamefreak kept moving goal posts when it came to why it wasn’t feasible for Sword and Shield to have all the Pokémon which is my frustration with that situation. I think they complained about the capacity of the cartridge the games were stored on was one, which was readily proven wrong. Dont quote me on that. But I do think the situation with the models was ultimately the case.
Nah, some folks got a hold of the wire frames for the sprites from the that version and the previous version and showed most were identical. Of those that weren’t, many were only slightly modified, and clearly not generated from scratch.