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It sounds like a Steam Deck is a perfect fit for you then. May your frames be high and your lag minimal


Before you go in on a Steam Deck I want to give a head’s up:

While I like my Steam Deck, it does have limits. If you primarily want to play 2D indie games, it’s absolutely perfect. You get great framerate, and the battery lasts 3-4 hours or sometimes even more.

But if you want to play 3D games from the last 10-15 years, you’re going to need to compromise. Much of the time you won’t be able to get 60fps, and the battery life drops off quick. And if you want to dock it and run it on your TV you’re still going to have some performance tradeoffs due to the Steam Deck being built for 800p gaming

If you still have a powerful tower PC but want to play newer 3D games from your living room on a TV, you could run an application called Sunshine on it, allowing you to stream to a Steam Deck via Moonlight at high bitrate (4k 60fps with relatively low latency) and the Steam Deck is good for that because it has more power to encode/decode the stream than most alternatives.

Or you could wait for the Steam Machine to release. It won’t be as powerful as a PS5, but I’m expecting it to be a good value compared to most PC’s


Ubisoft being shit isn’t anything new though. They’ve had plenty of time to jump ship to something better


On the one hand, i get it. It will be for enthusiasts only if that’s the case.

Note that I haven’t said anything about what the price will be, just that Valve has stated that it won’t be a loss leader.

I’ve seen rumors that the Bill Of Materials plus Valve’s usual overhead would still result in a system valued at $500, though I haven’t seen the source and am very skeptical of it.

On the other side, XBox is allegedly targeting $1200 on their standardized custom gaming PC, which I doubt would be worth the price, especially with it running Windows.


Deck isn’t selling millions and it’s doing just fine.

I don’t have have an issue with the rest of your comment but this quote is factually wrong. The Deck actually has sold multiple millions of units.


Built-in GPU and VRAM with the CPU, RAM and cooling optional.

I don’t think that’d be a wise idea. After watching Valve interviews, it’s clear that they designed the entire system around a specific max TDP. Apparently they figured out the TDP, picked a fan to move it, then designed the rest of the cooling system based on that.

If you start swapping out different CPU’s that’ll change the TDP and very quickly become a problem. Plus, the CPU is soldered to the board. Having a socket to allow for swapping would require a redesign of the cooling to account for the increased height


And honestly, we probably should have expected this from the leaked benchmarks. It was already showing hits of using a separate 7600


To be a loss leader doesn’t the need to lead to something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader

You have no idea what you’re talking about.


I agree we don’t know if they’re loss leaders yet.

Please actually read the body of the post. Valve has already said in an interview that they won’t be loss leaders


Valve’s new hardware will NOT be loss leaders
Can everyone *please* stop claiming and speculating that Valve's new hardware will be loss leaders? If you watch LTT and Gamers Nexus's first videos on the announcement, they actually spoke with Valve's engineers. And the Valve representatives already said that the new hardware *WILL NOT BE LOSS LEADERS*. There isn't even evidence that the Steam Deck was a loss leader. All GabeN said was that the lowest cost launch model was priced "painfully", which doesn't necessarily mean it was sold at a loss, it could easily have been sold at a very tight margin. And no, low margins *does not* meet the definition of a loss leader. A loss leader is a product sold *below cost*, in that every unit sold actually *costs* the seller money. I get the desire to speculate on new hardware. It's fun and it helps pass the time until we hear more info from Valve. But there's limits to what is reasonable. Valve has already stated that the new hardware won't be loss leaders, so hoping and/or claiming they are isn't reasonable. Sorry for the rant, but all of the comments that seem to have only skimmed headlines are quickly getting to me
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There is absolutely no way they’re selling it for less than $400. Whoever said that has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.

They told LTT that they were planning to price it competitively with entry-level PC’s, not consoles


This is the second desktop PC they’ve released, no?

No. They have never designed a desktop before. The original Steam Machine was mainly a branding program for system integrators coupled with the release of the original Steam OS.

rather than reviving a brand that already failed once

Or do what they’re already doing and just call it something else.

But there’s one major thing you’re missing/ignoring: a big reason why the Steam Deck was a hit is because it has good price/performance. EGPU’s are the antithesis of that. They don’t scale well, and they add extra hardware and complexity, driving up price and limiting performance.



No long campaigns in VR.

I recently watched a video where some dude had the 360 degree VR treadmill and used it for Skyrim VR 2hrs per day for months


It’s a bit trickier with the Steam Machine because it’s a straight-up desktop. There’s a chance for some companies to buy these as mini office PC’s if the price/performance is low enough. If they sell at even a slight loss and enough companies buy like that then they’d lose a ton of money


Though I wonder if making a docked Deck be on equal footing with the Machine would have been a better use of R&D.

No, it would not. Buulding a Steam Deck that’s 6x more powerful (the claimed comparison for the Steam Machine) is NOT possible with today’s technology. For anyone.

The Steam Deck has to be hand portable and get somewhat decent battery life. That leaves little little space for a cooling solution. You cannot beat thermodynamics.


You can see that each face is about the size an adult male’s hand, so it’s about 6" per edge



Privately owned firms tend to be really bad because they don’t have a feduciary duty to long term value.

Neither do publicly traded companies. All they are required to do is make money for shareholders, and most of them push for short-term value



You’re completely missing/ingoring mine and the other user’s point.

Sure, they might focus on a certain demographic as theur customer, but that’s not what actually makes them money. They’re not paying attention to reality and it’s going to bite them in the ass



Pokémon is still aimed at a younger audience.

Even if that’s their target audience, it doesn’t matter because that’s not who is buying and playing them the most. And guess what matters most? It’s the group that are actual paying customers.


I’ve seen several threads on Lemmy of fanboys defending Nintendo. They just haven’t gotten to this thread yet


I’ve installed on a separate SSD.

Thankfully that should prevent most issues of Windows fucking up dual-booting


Hosting servers isn’t free.

And it’s game devs that pay for the multiplayer server upkeep, not the storefronts.

And I highly doubt that any money spent on XBox Live or PSN subscriptions was ever sent their way.

This is just a flimsy defense for greed


And when you quicksave in games, you’ll need to wait 5 minutes for OneDrive to connect to Windows servers to sync up the save before you can continue playing


The original DS released almost 21 years ago. Because of that, the patent is now in the public domain, hence why products like this can be sold now


TBF, the dude has made millions off the game, and he doesn’t make the updates paid dlc. He just keeps adding to SDV because he loves it


but Wikipedia does say that the Deck has HDMI out

No, it has USB 3.0 type-C that’s capable of video output


The patent troll you’re referring to is SCUD (fuck those guys and fuck their owners, Corsair).

Thankfully, Valve won the appeal in their lawsuit a few years back and the patent is no longer valid. Unfortunately, the damage was already done


Wait, isn’t Story of Seasons the new name for the Harvest Moon franchise? What’s a Nintendo game doing on there?


This is huge Bro energy with little understanding of AI and they are fully on the hype train.

Aparently one of the companies that made the purchase is owned by Jared Kushner. You’re probably spot on with that assessment


The hell does “piracy against big companies” even mean?

Paying for indies while pirating AAA isn’t that hard of a concept to wrap your head around. Sounds more like a “you” problem


I’m planning on yo-ho’ing CP2077, but no way an I paying even if I enjoy it. CDPR has fucked me over enough with The Witcher trilogy that they owe me a free game to make up for the time and money wasted.

After that, I might be willing to give them money again for something else, but I’m not paying for Cyberpunk


Supergiant Games took a payout to make Hades a times exclusive for EGS. They still have some anti-consumer practices, even if you personally don’t think it’s as bad.


Huh? Just get an old Dell optiplex tower on Ebay or Craigslist and install Batocera on it. It’d probably cost a similar amount


Why are trying to convince me my omptimism is futile?

Because they’re miserable and they want everyone else to be miserable too



Reeks of old, greedy executive BS. So short-sighted in terms of both profitability and goodwill.

TBH, this seems like most Japanese companies in a nutshell


No shit. My question is whether there’s enough value in EA’s IP get more than their investment money out of doing that.

If the IP isn’t worth enough, they can’t get their money back, no matter what method they use to extract it


I got this cart racer a few days ago and ended up spending a whole day playing. In terms of mechanics, I think it gives even newer Mario Kart titles a run for their money, plus it has mod support so players can make their own tracks, characters, and vehicle options. And the base tracks are nothing to scoff at, they work for both novices and speedrunners, with parts of the track unlocking as laps are completed
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Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn’t any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?
As the title suggests, over the last couple of days there's been an influx of doomer comments over the SKG petition. While it's fine to disagree, I'm finding it suspicious that there weren't comments like this posted a week or 2 ago
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