I’m saying that code completion does not constitute AI and certainly isn’t LLMs.

I then provided an example of why that isn’t the case.

You decided to respond to this by pointing out that some LLM may be involved in some code completion. Although you didn’t provide an example, so who knows if that’s actually true, it seems sort of weird to use in LLM for code completion as it’s completely unnecessary and entirely inefficient, so I kind of doubt it.

I just want to point it out for a minute, because it’s sort of feels like you don’t know this, code completion is basically autocomplete for programmers. It’s doing basic string matching, so that if you type fnc it also completes to function(), hardly the stuff of AI

Emmet has been around since 2015. So it was definitely not LLM backed.

No because AI replaces a human role.

Code completion does not replace a human role, that’s like saying that spell check is AI.

I’m sure everyone has always explained this to you given the number of down votes, but algorithms aren’t equal to AI.

Ever since the evolution of AI people seem to have lost the ability to recall things prior to 2019.

Well yeah of course it’s optional already. If you don’t want that then you just don’t buy those games.

It’s not a 4K capable graphics card though it’s a 1080p capable graphics card that they’re saying is 4K because of the existence of AI upscaling which I think is a cheat. So you’re already overestimating the cards capability.

It depends on how many Valve I’ve already manufactured. If they were smart they’ll be quietly manufacturing these and only just now announced it. You don’t announce a product until you’ve got some units sitting in a warehouse somewhere, or else a competitor might see the opportunity to make things difficult for you.

An equivalent PC would have a full fat non-mobile graphics card. They keep trying to claim it’ll do 60 FPS at 4K with AI upscaling. Which is the same as saying it’ll do 60 FPS at 1080p.

This would be a compelling product as a console, the PC capable parts are a nice bonus but no one’s going to be buying this to be their primary computer unless they are going to replace a potato.

Regardless of what the market is doing if it’s anything more than $700 it’ll flop. Which would be an incredible shame but it is what it is. No one is going to pay $1,000 for a PC that cannot be upgraded.

I suspect it’s because of the uncertainty over tariffs. Ironically making manufacturing in the US less appetising for businesses.

I’d like it to cost $1.50 but it won’t. The minimum reasonable price this comes in at is around $500 you would have to be really unaware to expect it to be less than that

99% of people won’t care though they just want to be able to play stardew valley on their big TV.

$1,000 is not entry level.

If you go on any website and look at entry level PCs they’re all around $600 to $800.

I don’t know why people keep insisting that the current prices are relevant. These products have been manufactured for months now, so we need to be looking at old prices not current market value.

I didn’t use prices from last week I used prices from last year because that’s when Steam would have actually made their devices. Manufacturing of the steam machine and the steam frame is rumoured to have occurred around 2023-2024, should the Trump shenanigans shouldn’t have affected things too much.

That’s not to say that somehow much the devices will cost it’s just how much it would have cost to build. How much profit they’re going to try and make on them is an unknown. With the steam deck they aim for $100 profit margin, but who knows with this device. The steam frame is also an unknown because it’s a weird configuration.

A PC of similar performance is about $550 so I don’t get what they’re saying about it not been priced like a console. That’s about exactly what a Series S would cost.

I don’t want to sound negative, but I am going to sound negative.

That gameplay demo was really boring, other than incredibly laborious battles, all that happened was a few trees getting chopped down.

What you’re after is a bit of socialism.

We don’t have to kill all the millionaires and billionaires, they are just required to contribute to the world more than they take, as long as they do that they can have their luxury yachts.

The problem is almost none of them actually do contribute anything to the world and most of the ones that do contribute things that the world doesn’t want. Elon Musk contributes a lot of electric cars to the world, which would be a good thing, it’s just a shame they’re all dangerous killing machines.

What is it with millionaires and yachts?

I hate boats, even on a calm day in a lake which is only about 2 m deep I’m constantly convinced the damn thing is going to sink.

Do people actually like being on boats, it’s basically like being in a cramped apartment that is really inconvenient to get to and from, that constantly experiences a never-ending earthquake, why is that anyone’s idea of a good time?

Also I really hope somebody has tested that submarine extensively.

But it’s also a handheld console so that doesn’t really track.

An entry level gaming PC doesn’t have to have a battery and it doesn’t have to have a screen which are big expenses. You can’t just take the price of the steam deck and multiply it because so much time has passed between the releases of the two products and they’re not equivalent anyway. It’s an apples to oranges comparison.

There are people online who are wrong. I can’t just ignore that, they must be told why they are wrong.

Seriously though it’s a good idea to correct people when they make stupid baseless claims because other people won’t necessarily have the technical understanding to judge whether their claims are based on reality or not.

Many of the people who are doing this are YouTube or Instagram personalities with lots of children following them, I like this product and want it to succeed, and I don’t want children to lose interest in the idea because their favourite idiot instagrammer reckons it’ll cost an absurd amount of money.

I’m utterly confused about why you are upset that people are doing that. There’s absolutely no need for you to engage in it.

Yeah which makes me think that it was six of one and half a dozen of the other.

Terrible marketing and fairly mediocre gameplay.

Although obviously I don’t know because like pretty much everyone else I never actually played it. And I like hero shooters and even played overwatch semi-professionally, so I would have been in the circles that would have heard about it, if Sony had bothered to tell anyone.

The other problem is that the tariffs could be totally different by the time it releases. I fully suspect that the tariffs are the reason that we haven’t got a price yet.

It would be funny if it is noticeably more expensive in the US though like with the Switch 2.

Personally I don’t think I would say that most people would consider a $1,000 PC to be entry level. To me entry level means something that a kid could save up their pocket money for in a reasonable amount of time maybe with a paper route to supplement. I’d say entry level ends at about $700 just to throw a number out there. For $1,000 you could get a PS5 and a PSVR2

For the same reason that people are interested in the steam machine. It’s nice to be able to just throw some money at people and get a complete product. I can see businesses getting these things if they need a moderately powerful GPU for business reasons. Unless valve go utterly mad on the pricing here, it’s going to be much better value for money than a Mac mini, and it’ll have better compatibility with existing software as well.

The steam frame controllers use AA batteries, the steam controller has a lithium ion internal battery.

Also it does have a USB port but the primary charging method is via the pogo pins. But obviously you might want to recharge from a wall outlet so they also include a USB port. But that’s obviously going to get used far less often than it would otherwise.

As you say valve are incentivised to do this because it will move more people over to Linux. I suspect that they want that more than they’re really bothered about hardware sales so while I don’t think it’ll be sold at a loss, because frankly that would be stupid even if they could afford to do it, but I don’t think it’ll be anywhere near as expensive as some people seem to be claiming.

I would be happy to wait and see but idiots online keep trying to insist it’ll be $2,000 even though the hardware isn’t close to worth that much. Some of these people are big influencers and really should know better.

I thought it was very funny that I only even heard about concord existing when it was announced the service was shutting down. I feel like they didn’t know advertising for it

My point is that no one really cares about the cameras because this is a VR headset, it isn’t trying to be everything to everyone. I also don’t really think anyone cares about apple’s “spatial computing” (AR), perhaps if they actually had more applications people would be interested, but they don’t.

Yeah I’m thinking that it’ll be around $500 to $600 for the base model and maybe $550 to $650 for the two terabyte model. After all its upgradable so there’s not really any point them trying to price gouge anyone on the storage.

The general consensus I’ve seen from people is that it will be sub 1K simply because they know it has to be in order to be profitable. The only people who think it’s going to be over 1k seem to be people who don’t actually know that it’s not really a super powerful system, they advertised it as being seven times more powerful than the steam deck, but the steam deck itself is not exactly a powerhouse in fact the switch 2 is more powerful.

You’re paying for the fact that it’s tiny, the fact that it’s not a window system, and for the convenience of just being able to throw some money at someone and have a fairly decent gaming system without having to mock about in the weeds, because a lot of people don’t like that aspect of PC building.

Really I don’t think so. I don’t know quite where you’re getting your prices from because I could definitely build assembly spec computer for under $700, especially if I was building in bulk which obviously Valve are.

I feel like they know that no one’s going to buy it at $1,000.

Yeah but he can’t possibly know that. Valve wouldn’t be drawn on the price so that’s not based on something they’ve said to him that’s just what he personally thinks.

I feel like Valve are more than smart enough to know that a $1,000 headset won’t sell. Especially in the US, internationally they might be able to get away with that price, but even then people are going to be comparing it to the index and asking why the index has been EOLed and replaced with a headset of the same price.

It’s a VR headset so no one really cares about the cameras. The only headset with cameras that are any good is on the Apple Pro which is ludicrously expensive. The quest 3s cameras are fine but you can’t really read a display while wearing it so they’re basically useless for AR stuff.

The Vision Pro isn’t available outside of North America, has barely no apps and doesn’t support gaming, so I don’t know how Apple expect this to become a major product for them.

The frame fixes basically all of those issues, much wider availability although still not global, supports games and it’s basically a PC so you can edit an Excel document in VR if for some reason that’s what you want to do, has controllers so you’re not relying on finger tracking exclusively, and actually has a decent store of content. Oh and the battery is both larger in capacity and more sensibly designed so that it’s actually part of the device rather than this weird dangly thing you always have to have.

The only downside is an inability to allow me to see my office at the same time. It’s not like the vision pro lets you actually keep the laptop display on anyway so being able to see it isn’t a huge advantage.

It would have been nice if it had colour pass through, but I also don’t really care that it’s not present.

Apparently OLED has issues with brightness. VR lenses tend to cut out an awful lot of light (I’ve seen a lot of unhelpful diagrams with lines on them that try to explain the problem) so you need a system that outputs a lot of light or you need to use much more expensive lenses.

My guess is valve had a price point and using the better lenses would significantly cut into that.

It’s worth pointing out that I’m pretty sure the PlayStation VR uses the same lenses. I’ve never had a problem with that so I doubt it’ll be a major issue.

Yeah I don’t get nauseous in VR I don’t know why some people do. The only thing I have noticed is that if there’s a lot of spinning around particularly in ultra wings I tend to fall over.

I actually find that things like the vignette that you get when moving in some VR games actually makes me feel uncomfortable so I always have to go into the settings and turn all that stuff off.

You could say that about any game. If you’re not interested in the game you’re not going to play it for a very long time but that’s not a failing of the concept.

Pavlov is a VR game that I’ve probably got hundreds of hours in. I’ve had four or five gaming sessions because you tend to get sucked in.

It will be interesting to see if Meta have any real response to this. They obviously never expected to have any competition so they got a scummy as possible with it. Now that they actually have competition they’re sort of stuck, their only real response is to become more consumer-friendly, which is basically impossible because of their corporate culture.

Apparently it’s likely smaller than the GameCube was which is pretty incredible.

I’m assuming that d brand are already working on a GameCube inspired skin for this.

Yeah there’s some complication with it where it’s not 100% supported, but I didn’t quite understand because he didn’t go into detail. I got the sense though that it’s a technicality and basically is fine, but officially it isn’t supported.