I’m doing my part by never exposing my kid to Nintendo and capturing all my kid’s friends before they leave tablet gaming and convincing their parents to look into PC gaming and steam decks. It’s an easy sell to their parents once I show steam’s parental controls and how every game isn’t full price all the time. Plus remote play makes the initial cost low if they have a computer. Their kid can just play my kid’s games. I’ve already converted 6 kids. My kid just started first grade, so I expect to convert a lot more.
I don’t see why. I grew up with those systems as well, but Nintendo is actively hostile to videogame culture, so there is no reason for my child to develop a love of Pokémon or Mario. She can be nostalgic over new things.
As an original Nintendo child, they were different. If they are so bad now that you and others are not letting them be Nintendo children, then it’s sad for me because they aren’t who they used to be.
If you can’t see how is a dad thing that something I loved is now a shitty thing, you are going to have a really tough time in life, given the last few years.
As the saying goes never meet your heroes. Innocence lost kinda thing.
Lots of people do not buy them, for exactly this reason.
When I can play Pokemon games on my Steam Deck I’ll think about buying them. Until then I’ll continue hating on Nintendo to anyone who will listen. And many more who won’t.
Their behavior definitely put them out of the running when getting a portable console for my kid’s birthday. He got a Steam Deck instead and he absolutely loves it because he can play Minecraft Java edition on it.
I mean… The Switch hardware was obsolete before it even came out. Not saying you need a Switch 2, but you might want to consider upgrading to something.
It does what I want it to, and works fine for the games I play on it. I also have a steam deck, as well as a gaming machine of Theseus, and a PS4, amongst numerous other systems for various purposes and uses. I honestly think I’m going to just straight up skip the S2.
Why? If it does the job, why is an upgrade required? There are tons of games to be played on it, and as long as it keeps working, there’s no reason one can’t still have fun with it.
glad i dint buy the first switch, knowing that nintendo/masuda enshittfied the console and pokemon games. plus i dint want to pay all the fees for going online, haivng a pokemon storage+ DLC.
just like with thier TCP trading card game counterpart, tcp japan and tcpi is equally stupid; doing very little against scalpers and pokevesters.
This thread: “Nintendo so stupid. Everyone hates them! They’re gonna go bankrupt cuz no ones going to buy their games because of their bad business practices!”
Reality: The Switch 2 has one of the strongest console launches, despite increased prices. Their games continue to hold more value than others, with used games selling for near, or even above, their original sale price. Their consoles and games remain the #1 pick for families with kids.
You people are delusional. Yes, Nintendo’s practices are scummy. No, this does not affect their numbers in any way. They are still wildly successful, and even if they weren’t, they have such a huge reserve of capital that they could operate in the red for 20 years and still be fine.
You heard it here first, folks: other people disagree with you, so you aren’t allowed to complain. Nintendo has been successful despite your complaints, so you’re now required to suck it up and buy it, as society demands.
I think the point was that there are many people here are „predicting” that Nintendo is somehow going to go bankrupt because of this. People can no longer discern between wishful thinking and reality, it shows in many areas of life to tbh. No, you won’t wish something into existence just because it’s „right”.
To add, Nintendo goes after dumb parents and kids. Anyone that knows anything about tech play on better hardware or build PCs. Now with the PC handhelds Nintendo scrammed and raised prices. People will continue to buy them because their kids want them.
Reality: The Switch 2 has one of the strongest console launches, despite increased prices. Their games continue to hold more value than others, with used games selling for near, or even above, their original sale price. Their consoles and games remain the #1 pick for families with kids.
Their pricing is pricing out many families, and I don’t like that. I’ve remained firm in my stance that I’m not going to buy this console. It doesn’t matter if everyone else around me buys it, I’m simply not going to do it. It’s too expensive, same with the games, and I simply don’t want to continue supporting Nintendo.
Gabe said piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem, but Nintendo has now made it both lol
I’m sad that more people aren’t voting with their wallets but it is what it is, I can at least do my part in refusing to support them.
Going back and looking through their posts for more pages that I really wanted to, I don’t think they’re particularly right-leaning; they seem to flip regularly between well-thought-out posts and comments to open trolling shouting insults.
I’m going to just block them, there’s really nothing of serious interest to lose there.
Hey shit eater, you don’t know me. You’re making assumptions based on absolutely nothing other than me not following the Lemmy hivemind. You need to have clear, firm evidence before you can make a claim.
For example, you’re a mouth breathing idiot. My evidence is based on your previous comment; a clear, firm example of stupidity. What exactly do you bring to the table?
So your evidence is me telling a person having a mental crash out and making a childish rant due to overexposure to the internet to get off is your “proof” that I voted Republican? Weak shit.
My man, I’m as queer as the day is long and have voted blue for longer than the first time your mommy congratulated you for not shitting your pants at the age of 12.
But please, keep acting like a pathetic gatekeeper. It’s not like you have anything else going for you in life.
Oh my God, I’m so sorry that I have a realistic view of the world rather than pretending the opinions on here are in ANY way reflective of the general public attitude. Please forgive me for thinking critically and not just immediately guzzling that sweet, creamy, copium jizz.
No, I just have an adverse reaction to collective stupidity. I know I should try not to let it get to me, but when I see a bunch of people engaging in collective delusions about the state of the world, it upsets me. It’s like people choose to believe that just because what they’re saying sounds right, or should be right, that it’s actually the way things are.
This is how we get voter apathy. This is how we get Trump winning because “certainly people won’t support him THIS time”. I’m just sick of people pretending that anything in our society still follows the old rules of morality and justice, and then getting dismayed and confused when it doesn’t.
I just wish more people would see the world for what it is, rather than make shit up that sounds good and desperately pretend that’s the same as reality.
If you think it is stupid to not like a brand because it is toxic to the community then I just don’t know what to think. Their decisions hurt their brand and people don’t like it.
We come here to talk about it and here you are chiming in that they are stupid for not liking something objectively that is not likable. I think in a lot of ways this makes you seem stupid yourself.
I think your beef is with something that has nothing to do with this. You also seem to ignore many huge brands have come and gone and Nintendo is no different. Pretending they are monolithic or untouchable belays the reality that if enough people refuse to buy their product they will fail.
The market self corrects all the time and not everyone shares your view that we should eat shit shut up and enjoy it.
It’s not about liking or disliking it, but thinking that this decision somehow hurts Nintendo. The absurdly naive belief that online opinions, especially here, actually affect any change in the real world.
Buy Nintendo products, or don’t; but don’t pretend like that has any effect on the company. Boycotts haven’t worked in decades.
It’s way too early to call them “wildly successful.” The Wii U sold 13.5 million units and was a flop. I would expect the Switch 2 to sell more than that to the die-hard fans alone since there are a lot more people playing games nowadays. But the die-hard fans aren’t what make their consoles “wildly” successful. I guarantee you those families with kids aren’t going to be buying as many $450 consoles with $70+ games. Maybe they will be wildly successful. But we’ll have to be a year or so out before we can know how likely that will be.
Will they make money? Oh, that’s a given. As much as they made with the Switch? I doubt it, but we’ll see.
mine was the 3ds just before the forced to the SWITCH if you wan to play the new gen pokemon games. homebrew was so fun on it because i was also playing shuffle for a while on it.
Because they operate on a very outdated understanding of how the world works. In their mind they own the games, they made them after all. The people “buying” the games don’t really buy them, they just get a copy of the software and the license to use that copy. That license is limited in what you can and can’t do. You can play them by yourself in your own home. You can even play with other people if they are physically in your own home. However if you want to do anything beyond that, it’s outside of the license and thus not allowed. If you want to put on an event featuring their games, you need to apply for a license to do so and probably pay Nintendo for that license. Nintendo wants to limit the license even further lately, limiting playing inside your own home to their rules and limiting resale of the game (license).
This may sound crazy, and it is, however this is very much how music still works. And how movies and TV series used to work, and partly still do. It’s a limited license for enjoying the media in your own home only. Technically when you throw a party, you would have to apply for a license to play the music you already own. When money is involved, like a bigger event and you don’t play by their rules, expect to get sued. This is why the entertainment industry is so huge and the people in the top make so much money.
In the West we’ve accepted this doesn’t apply to video games for the most part. Copying the game is a no-go, but using a game for entertainment purposes is allowed. When a streamer plays a game, they add enough of their own value for it not to be considered a violation. Even at large events, it’s usually allowed. Although depending on the context, often license deals are made for the really big events.
There’s gray areas as well, such as game modding or using the assets of a game to create a new game. This is also usually accepted, with services like Steam activily supporting mods and such. Most game devs like it when a community forms around their games and support mods. But not Nintendo, they hate this. They go after anyone doing this. Famously almost destroying the careers of people playing modded Nintendo games for entertainment. (Especially SMW romhacks). And people have to go through all sorts of hoops not to attract the eye of Nintendo (like how Ship of Harkinian does things).
Another gray area is music in video games, usually that music has a rather open license. But not always and services like Twitch have made deals with the music industry in order to keep existing. That means upholding things like DMCA and muting or even disabling videos which contain copyrighted music. One recent example of this is Death Stranding, which contains so much copyrighted music it’s problematic for everyone involved.
It has taken a very long time for the music industry to get around to the concept of streaming music. And even then the license is super limited and people don’t own the music they pay for. Same for movies, TV series and other media. It has made them rich for decades, why give that up? Nintendo has always had the same mindset when it comes to video games and aren’t going to change.
Personally I don’t know why we put up with the BS system for music and other media. Especially the length of time for copyright these days. But large companies like Disney have so much power, it isn’t going to change quickly. I feel the only reason we have music streaming at all is because the piracy got so bad they had to. And even then they fought it hard, demanding tens of thousands of dollars from little Timmy who downloaded a Metallica song.
Probably because a lot of nintendo games are speedrun on emulators. Since it can be difficult to attain region specific hardware and cartridges that are optimal for speedrunning, they resort to emulators so the barrier of entry isn’t unreasonable.
And we all know how Nintendo feels about emulators.
Not to say it explains how it benefits Nintendo. But it explains why they’re going this route.
That corporation is still operating as if they’re in the 80s, going by their “good old Showa values”: heavy-handed proprietary control of their content and platforms, while making heavy use of nostalgia and its properties to keep the money coming in from casual gamers.
Two decades from now, people will talk about how Nintendo managed to ruin itself, from a gaming behemoth to some gacha subsidiary bought for a single yen.
Nintendo sits on a load of hard cash and has Apple-like profit margins. They’re not going away anytime soon and I think that’s for the best. They’re one of the last AAA publishers focused on innovation in gameplay which is why I can forgive them being mildly brain damaged sometimes.
No load of hard cash is large enough to allow a company to systematically screw things up; specially not under an economic system that equates “stable profits” with “failure to grow”.
And Nintendo’s actions aren’t the result of [metaphorical] brain damage; there’s a consistent pattern here of exploiting brand value for short-term profit.
I’ve read that with current Nintendo finances they can afford to not make any profit for something like 10 or 20 years. I genuinely think that they’re not as much as malicious as they are stuck in very outdated thinking that’s prevalent in Japanese business. They don’t get any short term profit from things like this.
Nintendo doesn’t work like your typical western companies where failing to increase profit each quarter = death (investment funds like blackrock play a big part in this, but that’s a different story).
They have a number of mobile games, but they don’t invest heavily on those, despite said games being high earners - Fire Emblem Heroes’ revenue has decreased consistently year by year, but still brought in ~48mil dollars in 2024. If anything, that’s proof that they are not exploiting brand value for short-term profit. Their problem is a brain-damaged overzealous protection of their IP, which isn’t uncommon in Japan: Johnny and Associates controlled with an iron fist all the photos and videos that could or could not be shown of idols under their management
Nintendo has ALWAYS been like this. The SNES could easily play games from Japan on the NA console. But Nintendo wouldn’t allow it. how? look at a North American SNES cartridge. notice those notches on the bottom? inside the console where you plug the cartridge in you’ll see two pegs for where it connects to said cartridge. just little plastic pegs. Japanese Super Famicom carts didn’t have this. So how do you play Japanese games on your US SNES? remove those pegs.
you remove those little plastic pegs and suddenly your SNES is region free.
I worded it in a dumb/certain/silly way but, unless drastic changes happen, I do find it likely to happen.
Look at how often Nintendo is surfacing negatively on the news:
harassing a small dev studio over patents,
trying to kill emulation while profiting off it,
bricking hardware already sold to customers,
demanding unreasonable prices for new games,
dictating if you shall be allowed to feature one of its games in a speedrunning event…
Nintendo stopped being seen as a company that enables your fun, to become one that gatekeeps it. That’s brand damage - and really bad for Nintendo’s console sales; people are only willing to invest in a console if they’re reasonably certain they can have fun with it.
And at the same time, there are voices within and around Nintendo pushing the company towards the mobile market. Remember Pokémon Go? Or Ishihara saying the Switch 1 would flop, because of smartphones? If Nintendo console sales decline meaningfully, those voices will become louder and louder. Eventually Nintendo will focus primarily on the mobile market.
However people don’t typically buy mobile games; the monetisation strategy is completely different - microtransactions, gacha, lootboxes, all that crap. Most players (the “minnows”) won’t drop a penny on the game, but huge spenders (the “whales”) compensate for that, so it works.
The minnows aren’t just freeloaders, mind you; they’re required to keep the game alive. So mobile game companies need to fine-tune the pressure in their games - it should be just enough to encourage people to spend some money on the game, but not enough to shoo the minnows away.
But we’re talking about Nintendo here. A company willing to damage its own brand for a few additional pennies. Nintendo would not be able to see all those minnows and say “hey, that’s cool”, it would go full “ARE THOSE FREELOADERS STUPID? DON’T THEY KNOW THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BUY STUFF?”. It would tune the pressure way up, and ruin its mobile market, after it ruined its console market.
…perhaps it should go back to selling playing cards.
The most shocking thing to me is that they’re going to feature Nintendo games in the future. I wouldn’t want to jump through all of those hoops just to possibly be rejected or have the content taken down arbitrarily in the future when Nintendo is feeling capricious. That’s a huge investment for very poor expected value.
Nintendo will release the Switch 3 with a vial of acid that sprays directly into your eyes while you’re playing and they’ll still sell millions of units day one
We’re still talking about a video game company right? What the fuck dude! You (and anyone upvoting you) ought to go for a walk and reflect on your priorities. I’d further strongly suggest seeking out some mental health support.
My line in the sand was when Nintendo went after GMod hosting of their character models.
When they go after emulators, I was upset but at least acknowledge there’s an economic relation there - and there’s some legal basis for protecting their copyright (even if the emulator itself is technically outside their rights).
But taking down models used solely for fan creations is just pointlessly mean. No developer I know is upset about people putting up animations of their game protagonists doing silly shit like slipping on banana peels or getting blown up.
Even before that. Nintendo went after small time Smash Bros tournaments. Giving them CND. Never gave them a cent after that, and I didn’t even play in those tourneys
I think Astro Bot is already better than any 3D Mario.
We’re missing a really good kart racer though. CTR wasn’t it (and certainly not after they stuffed a load of DLC into it weeks after release), and the last one I really enjoyed was Speed Freaks on the PS1…
Putting out a kart racer is problematic. I got to play an alpha POC from a fairly large studio. It borrowed heavily from Mario Kart. The physics felt right. The challenges felt right, the weapons felt right, and the balance to let underdogs still be competitive seemed great.
In the end it didn’t get greenlit. I think in the end a lot of what Mario kart has is standing on the shoulders of their IP. It’s undeniably fun It is a great party game, But cart racing isn’t for everyone and If racing isn’t your thing you can at least still identify with your favorite characters.
If you took Mario kart and replaced all of the characters with Miis, I don’t think anybody would want to play it.
Thing is, even if you look at all the Mario Kart characters, there’s only a handful that are big names. Nobody wants to play as a Shy Guy. Even Link and Zelda feel wildly out of place, although maybe they wouldn’t have done in a Links Awakening style rather than what they went for.
I think Sony could do an Astro Bot on it and put in a bunch of their other characters in there. Lego has potential if they can get a bunch of their licensed characters in there (although you know with that kind of money floating around, most of them will be DLC locked behind Harry Potter packs, etc). A horrendously expensive MCU license maybe with some chibified characters.
I think Mario Kart just has that easy “an idiot can play it” gameplay, but it doesn’t get boring once you know what you’re doing. It’s a really hard balance to get right. The only recent attempt was CTR, and it didn’t have that first factor at all, it was hard as nails.
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Nintendo’s distain for its own fanbase continues to baffle the world.
🙅♂️ Free publicity
💁♂️ Alienate the fans
I tend to think of it something like this.
They literally couldn’t care less, people will buy anything with Pokemon or Mario slapped on it anyway.
But still, fuck you Nintendo.
I’m doing my part by never exposing my kid to Nintendo and capturing all my kid’s friends before they leave tablet gaming and convincing their parents to look into PC gaming and steam decks. It’s an easy sell to their parents once I show steam’s parental controls and how every game isn’t full price all the time. Plus remote play makes the initial cost low if they have a computer. Their kid can just play my kid’s games. I’ve already converted 6 kids. My kid just started first grade, so I expect to convert a lot more.
The cult commends you!
As an NES and SNES kid, this makes me incredibly sad
I don’t see why. I grew up with those systems as well, but Nintendo is actively hostile to videogame culture, so there is no reason for my child to develop a love of Pokémon or Mario. She can be nostalgic over new things.
I think you are missing a big part of my meaning.
As an original Nintendo child, they were different. If they are so bad now that you and others are not letting them be Nintendo children, then it’s sad for me because they aren’t who they used to be.
If you can’t see how is a dad thing that something I loved is now a shitty thing, you are going to have a really tough time in life, given the last few years.
As the saying goes never meet your heroes. Innocence lost kinda thing.
Doing the Lord’s work
damn nice work
yea i saw how they were sitll complaining on the pokemon games, knowing how bad masuda made it for the post-SWSH games, and people said you BOUGHT it.
Lots of people do not buy them, for exactly this reason.
When I can play Pokemon games on my Steam Deck I’ll think about buying them. Until then I’ll continue hating on Nintendo to anyone who will listen. And many more who won’t.
there are ways
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Ways to what?
playing nintendo games on the deck
There is no way to buy them.
I make no assertions of their legality
Certainly hasn’t hurt their bottom line in the slightest, so it will continue!
Their behavior definitely put them out of the running when getting a portable console for my kid’s birthday. He got a Steam Deck instead and he absolutely loves it because he can play Minecraft Java edition on it.
Yeah it almost certainly has. They’re still raking in too much to care, though.
as long as they can convince young kids to badger thier parents for the new console they will keep doing it.
cringe, glad i bought a steamdeck instead of the switch 2
Same tbh. My OG switch is still chugging along just fine. No reason to upgrade, really.
I mean… The Switch hardware was obsolete before it even came out. Not saying you need a Switch 2, but you might want to consider upgrading to something.
It does what I want it to, and works fine for the games I play on it. I also have a steam deck, as well as a gaming machine of Theseus, and a PS4, amongst numerous other systems for various purposes and uses. I honestly think I’m going to just straight up skip the S2.
Why? If it does the job, why is an upgrade required? There are tons of games to be played on it, and as long as it keeps working, there’s no reason one can’t still have fun with it.
Same
glad i dint buy the first switch, knowing that nintendo/masuda enshittfied the console and pokemon games. plus i dint want to pay all the fees for going online, haivng a pokemon storage+ DLC.
just like with thier TCP trading card game counterpart, tcp japan and tcpi is equally stupid; doing very little against scalpers and pokevesters.
This thread: “Nintendo so stupid. Everyone hates them! They’re gonna go bankrupt cuz no ones going to buy their games because of their bad business practices!”
Reality: The Switch 2 has one of the strongest console launches, despite increased prices. Their games continue to hold more value than others, with used games selling for near, or even above, their original sale price. Their consoles and games remain the #1 pick for families with kids.
You people are delusional. Yes, Nintendo’s practices are scummy. No, this does not affect their numbers in any way. They are still wildly successful, and even if they weren’t, they have such a huge reserve of capital that they could operate in the red for 20 years and still be fine.
You heard it here first, folks: other people disagree with you, so you aren’t allowed to complain. Nintendo has been successful despite your complaints, so you’re now required to suck it up and buy it, as society demands.
I think the point was that there are many people here are „predicting” that Nintendo is somehow going to go bankrupt because of this. People can no longer discern between wishful thinking and reality, it shows in many areas of life to tbh. No, you won’t wish something into existence just because it’s „right”.
To add, Nintendo goes after dumb parents and kids. Anyone that knows anything about tech play on better hardware or build PCs. Now with the PC handhelds Nintendo scrammed and raised prices. People will continue to buy them because their kids want them.
They also go for autistic people because we love those pokémans. Can’t use children as an excuse to buy stuff but I’m the coolest uncle around.
Wow. Way to acts in bad faith.
Their pricing is pricing out many families, and I don’t like that. I’ve remained firm in my stance that I’m not going to buy this console. It doesn’t matter if everyone else around me buys it, I’m simply not going to do it. It’s too expensive, same with the games, and I simply don’t want to continue supporting Nintendo.
Gabe said piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem, but Nintendo has now made it both lol
I’m sad that more people aren’t voting with their wallets but it is what it is, I can at least do my part in refusing to support them.
They are. They’re saying they’re ok with it. Every purchase is a vote with your wallet.
Interesting take. Don’t complain about Nintendo because they make money?
They also vote Republican so yes, they unironically believe what you said.
Going back and looking through their posts for more pages that I really wanted to, I don’t think they’re particularly right-leaning; they seem to flip regularly between well-thought-out posts and comments to open trolling shouting insults.
I’m going to just block them, there’s really nothing of serious interest to lose there.
“Anyone I don’t like must vote Republican”
Hey shit eater, you don’t know me. You’re making assumptions based on absolutely nothing other than me not following the Lemmy hivemind. You need to have clear, firm evidence before you can make a claim.
For example, you’re a mouth breathing idiot. My evidence is based on your previous comment; a clear, firm example of stupidity. What exactly do you bring to the table?
This is where I tagged you and you’ve proven me right multiple times since then.
So your evidence is me telling a person having a mental crash out and making a childish rant due to overexposure to the internet to get off is your “proof” that I voted Republican? Weak shit.
My man, I’m as queer as the day is long and have voted blue for longer than the first time your mommy congratulated you for not shitting your pants at the age of 12.
But please, keep acting like a pathetic gatekeeper. It’s not like you have anything else going for you in life.
— You, 5 minutes ago
— You again
Yes. I did in fact say those things. Such a good job using quotes!
Liberals must believe the free market is socially just.
This poster: I love the taste of boots daddy Nintendo, may I lick them some more.
Oh my God, I’m so sorry that I have a realistic view of the world rather than pretending the opinions on here are in ANY way reflective of the general public attitude. Please forgive me for thinking critically and not just immediately guzzling that sweet, creamy, copium jizz.
At this point you must be getting paid to spout this defeatists nonsense. If not, perhaps you were just born to be a shill.
"Your guys opinions don’t matter. That is why I am spending my time to tell you this!’
No, I just have an adverse reaction to collective stupidity. I know I should try not to let it get to me, but when I see a bunch of people engaging in collective delusions about the state of the world, it upsets me. It’s like people choose to believe that just because what they’re saying sounds right, or should be right, that it’s actually the way things are.
This is how we get voter apathy. This is how we get Trump winning because “certainly people won’t support him THIS time”. I’m just sick of people pretending that anything in our society still follows the old rules of morality and justice, and then getting dismayed and confused when it doesn’t.
I just wish more people would see the world for what it is, rather than make shit up that sounds good and desperately pretend that’s the same as reality.
Posting online doesnt fix things. You gotta go outside and knock on doors
If you think it is stupid to not like a brand because it is toxic to the community then I just don’t know what to think. Their decisions hurt their brand and people don’t like it.
We come here to talk about it and here you are chiming in that they are stupid for not liking something objectively that is not likable. I think in a lot of ways this makes you seem stupid yourself.
I think your beef is with something that has nothing to do with this. You also seem to ignore many huge brands have come and gone and Nintendo is no different. Pretending they are monolithic or untouchable belays the reality that if enough people refuse to buy their product they will fail.
The market self corrects all the time and not everyone shares your view that we should eat shit shut up and enjoy it.
It’s not about liking or disliking it, but thinking that this decision somehow hurts Nintendo. The absurdly naive belief that online opinions, especially here, actually affect any change in the real world.
Buy Nintendo products, or don’t; but don’t pretend like that has any effect on the company. Boycotts haven’t worked in decades.
It’s way too early to call them “wildly successful.” The Wii U sold 13.5 million units and was a flop. I would expect the Switch 2 to sell more than that to the die-hard fans alone since there are a lot more people playing games nowadays. But the die-hard fans aren’t what make their consoles “wildly” successful. I guarantee you those families with kids aren’t going to be buying as many $450 consoles with $70+ games. Maybe they will be wildly successful. But we’ll have to be a year or so out before we can know how likely that will be.
Will they make money? Oh, that’s a given. As much as they made with the Switch? I doubt it, but we’ll see.
Are you saying people shouldn’t feel more than one way about a company?
People can feel a company is behaving poorly even while everyone acknowledges they have a good product.
Nintendo’s lawyers won’t stop until they kill Nintendo.
Nintendo continuing to ensure they never get a dime from me moving fwd.
Last Nintendo product I ever bought was in the SNES era. Didn’t care about the 64 and for the Wii I found CEMU.
Didn’t care about the N64? Good god man, can we trust your word on anything!?
mine was the 3ds just before the forced to the SWITCH if you wan to play the new gen pokemon games. homebrew was so fun on it because i was also playing shuffle for a while on it.
How does this benefit Nintendo? I don’t understand.
nintendo wants total, and I mean TOTAL control over their IP. not a smidge must escape their grasp.
if they could take down every fanart and every meme with their IP in it, they would
Because they operate on a very outdated understanding of how the world works. In their mind they own the games, they made them after all. The people “buying” the games don’t really buy them, they just get a copy of the software and the license to use that copy. That license is limited in what you can and can’t do. You can play them by yourself in your own home. You can even play with other people if they are physically in your own home. However if you want to do anything beyond that, it’s outside of the license and thus not allowed. If you want to put on an event featuring their games, you need to apply for a license to do so and probably pay Nintendo for that license. Nintendo wants to limit the license even further lately, limiting playing inside your own home to their rules and limiting resale of the game (license).
This may sound crazy, and it is, however this is very much how music still works. And how movies and TV series used to work, and partly still do. It’s a limited license for enjoying the media in your own home only. Technically when you throw a party, you would have to apply for a license to play the music you already own. When money is involved, like a bigger event and you don’t play by their rules, expect to get sued. This is why the entertainment industry is so huge and the people in the top make so much money.
In the West we’ve accepted this doesn’t apply to video games for the most part. Copying the game is a no-go, but using a game for entertainment purposes is allowed. When a streamer plays a game, they add enough of their own value for it not to be considered a violation. Even at large events, it’s usually allowed. Although depending on the context, often license deals are made for the really big events.
There’s gray areas as well, such as game modding or using the assets of a game to create a new game. This is also usually accepted, with services like Steam activily supporting mods and such. Most game devs like it when a community forms around their games and support mods. But not Nintendo, they hate this. They go after anyone doing this. Famously almost destroying the careers of people playing modded Nintendo games for entertainment. (Especially SMW romhacks). And people have to go through all sorts of hoops not to attract the eye of Nintendo (like how Ship of Harkinian does things). Another gray area is music in video games, usually that music has a rather open license. But not always and services like Twitch have made deals with the music industry in order to keep existing. That means upholding things like DMCA and muting or even disabling videos which contain copyrighted music. One recent example of this is Death Stranding, which contains so much copyrighted music it’s problematic for everyone involved.
It has taken a very long time for the music industry to get around to the concept of streaming music. And even then the license is super limited and people don’t own the music they pay for. Same for movies, TV series and other media. It has made them rich for decades, why give that up? Nintendo has always had the same mindset when it comes to video games and aren’t going to change.
Personally I don’t know why we put up with the BS system for music and other media. Especially the length of time for copyright these days. But large companies like Disney have so much power, it isn’t going to change quickly. I feel the only reason we have music streaming at all is because the piracy got so bad they had to. And even then they fought it hard, demanding tens of thousands of dollars from little Timmy who downloaded a Metallica song.
Probably because a lot of nintendo games are speedrun on emulators. Since it can be difficult to attain region specific hardware and cartridges that are optimal for speedrunning, they resort to emulators so the barrier of entry isn’t unreasonable.
And we all know how Nintendo feels about emulators.
Not to say it explains how it benefits Nintendo. But it explains why they’re going this route.
The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC
They want these people to license the rights to play the game at events, etc. Like showing a movie or a sports game.
That corporation is still operating as if they’re in the 80s, going by their “good old Showa values”: heavy-handed proprietary control of their content and platforms, while making heavy use of nostalgia and its properties to keep the money coming in from casual gamers.
I no longer buy anything Nintendo.
Same. Passed on the switch 2. Fuck that noise.
Two decades from now, people will talk about how Nintendo managed to ruin itself, from a gaming behemoth to some gacha subsidiary bought for a single yen.
Nintendo sits on a load of hard cash and has Apple-like profit margins. They’re not going away anytime soon and I think that’s for the best. They’re one of the last AAA publishers focused on innovation in gameplay which is why I can forgive them being mildly brain damaged sometimes.
No load of hard cash is large enough to allow a company to systematically screw things up; specially not under an economic system that equates “stable profits” with “failure to grow”.
And Nintendo’s actions aren’t the result of [metaphorical] brain damage; there’s a consistent pattern here of exploiting brand value for short-term profit.
I’ve read that with current Nintendo finances they can afford to not make any profit for something like 10 or 20 years. I genuinely think that they’re not as much as malicious as they are stuck in very outdated thinking that’s prevalent in Japanese business. They don’t get any short term profit from things like this.
Nintendo doesn’t work like your typical western companies where failing to increase profit each quarter = death (investment funds like blackrock play a big part in this, but that’s a different story).
They have a number of mobile games, but they don’t invest heavily on those, despite said games being high earners - Fire Emblem Heroes’ revenue has decreased consistently year by year, but still brought in ~48mil dollars in 2024. If anything, that’s proof that they are not exploiting brand value for short-term profit. Their problem is a brain-damaged overzealous protection of their IP, which isn’t uncommon in Japan: Johnny and Associates controlled with an iron fist all the photos and videos that could or could not be shown of idols under their management
Nintendo has ALWAYS been like this. The SNES could easily play games from Japan on the NA console. But Nintendo wouldn’t allow it. how? look at a North American SNES cartridge. notice those notches on the bottom? inside the console where you plug the cartridge in you’ll see two pegs for where it connects to said cartridge. just little plastic pegs. Japanese Super Famicom carts didn’t have this. So how do you play Japanese games on your US SNES? remove those pegs.
you remove those little plastic pegs and suddenly your SNES is region free.
I sure fucking hope so but I also doubt it
I worded it in a dumb/certain/silly way but, unless drastic changes happen, I do find it likely to happen.
Look at how often Nintendo is surfacing negatively on the news:
Nintendo stopped being seen as a company that enables your fun, to become one that gatekeeps it. That’s brand damage - and really bad for Nintendo’s console sales; people are only willing to invest in a console if they’re reasonably certain they can have fun with it.
And at the same time, there are voices within and around Nintendo pushing the company towards the mobile market. Remember Pokémon Go? Or Ishihara saying the Switch 1 would flop, because of smartphones? If Nintendo console sales decline meaningfully, those voices will become louder and louder. Eventually Nintendo will focus primarily on the mobile market.
However people don’t typically buy mobile games; the monetisation strategy is completely different - microtransactions, gacha, lootboxes, all that crap. Most players (the “minnows”) won’t drop a penny on the game, but huge spenders (the “whales”) compensate for that, so it works.
The minnows aren’t just freeloaders, mind you; they’re required to keep the game alive. So mobile game companies need to fine-tune the pressure in their games - it should be just enough to encourage people to spend some money on the game, but not enough to shoo the minnows away.
But we’re talking about Nintendo here. A company willing to damage its own brand for a few additional pennies. Nintendo would not be able to see all those minnows and say “hey, that’s cool”, it would go full “ARE THOSE FREELOADERS STUPID? DON’T THEY KNOW THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BUY STUFF?”. It would tune the pressure way up, and ruin its mobile market, after it ruined its console market.
…perhaps it should go back to selling playing cards.
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The most shocking thing to me is that they’re going to feature Nintendo games in the future. I wouldn’t want to jump through all of those hoops just to possibly be rejected or have the content taken down arbitrarily in the future when Nintendo is feeling capricious. That’s a huge investment for very poor expected value.
Please stop paying Nintendo to fuck over its own customers.
Nintendo will release the Switch 3 with a vial of acid that sprays directly into your eyes while you’re playing and they’ll still sell millions of units day one
My dominatrix charges more than Nintendo, and the outcome is the same.
Rosalina can give me a paddlin’ any time.
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You think nintendo is as evil as american health insurance companies?
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We’re still talking about a video game company right? What the fuck dude! You (and anyone upvoting you) ought to go for a walk and reflect on your priorities. I’d further strongly suggest seeking out some mental health support.
It’s about sending a message.
I would hope not.
However, let’s face it, any company that has a rich CEO probably needs a quick visit to ascertain boundaries and behaviours.
Seems a bit harsh to gun someone down over a speed running competition
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I feel like there are much higher targets for the signal right now.
Aim at foot, pull trigger. What company lets such an opportunity of free showcasing and advertizing run through their fingers?
My line in the sand was when Nintendo went after GMod hosting of their character models.
When they go after emulators, I was upset but at least acknowledge there’s an economic relation there - and there’s some legal basis for protecting their copyright (even if the emulator itself is technically outside their rights).
But taking down models used solely for fan creations is just pointlessly mean. No developer I know is upset about people putting up animations of their game protagonists doing silly shit like slipping on banana peels or getting blown up.
Even before that. Nintendo went after small time Smash Bros tournaments. Giving them CND. Never gave them a cent after that, and I didn’t even play in those tourneys
People should remake the game they like so much and move on from nintendo bullshit
I think Astro Bot is already better than any 3D Mario.
We’re missing a really good kart racer though. CTR wasn’t it (and certainly not after they stuffed a load of DLC into it weeks after release), and the last one I really enjoyed was Speed Freaks on the PS1…
Putting out a kart racer is problematic. I got to play an alpha POC from a fairly large studio. It borrowed heavily from Mario Kart. The physics felt right. The challenges felt right, the weapons felt right, and the balance to let underdogs still be competitive seemed great.
In the end it didn’t get greenlit. I think in the end a lot of what Mario kart has is standing on the shoulders of their IP. It’s undeniably fun It is a great party game, But cart racing isn’t for everyone and If racing isn’t your thing you can at least still identify with your favorite characters.
If you took Mario kart and replaced all of the characters with Miis, I don’t think anybody would want to play it.
Thing is, even if you look at all the Mario Kart characters, there’s only a handful that are big names. Nobody wants to play as a Shy Guy. Even Link and Zelda feel wildly out of place, although maybe they wouldn’t have done in a Links Awakening style rather than what they went for.
I think Sony could do an Astro Bot on it and put in a bunch of their other characters in there. Lego has potential if they can get a bunch of their licensed characters in there (although you know with that kind of money floating around, most of them will be DLC locked behind Harry Potter packs, etc). A horrendously expensive MCU license maybe with some chibified characters.
I think Mario Kart just has that easy “an idiot can play it” gameplay, but it doesn’t get boring once you know what you’re doing. It’s a really hard balance to get right. The only recent attempt was CTR, and it didn’t have that first factor at all, it was hard as nails.
Lego already had kart racer games! They could just revive one
There is always Garfield Kart
You don’t seem to understand the problem. People need to switch to games released under open licenses
Enjoy Tux Racer, I guess
As good, maybe, but not better.