Another article that highlighs inherent flaws in the American legal system. How can this potentially be an actual lawsuit? How can “journalists” even entertain reporting on this?
Honestly I’m just posting to laugh at my fellow lemmings responses and watch see how the plaintiff is roasted for not gitting gud.
But, there is a real conversation here around continued ignorance of game development and the value of difficult games as a value proposition. Afterall, the person attempting to sue from did choose to purchase the games willingly knowing they’re not for scrub casuals like themselves.
What do you all think, is difficulty gating content a real issue? Should dev’s have some kind of legal requirement to appease players that can spec a build properly? Is it Thursday and I’m just looking for some easy laughs at a morons expense?
I’d say it’s absolutely insane that someone might actually be able to take the creators of Elden Ring to court over the fact they’re not good enough to beat a game intentionally made to be hard. I imagine they’re the same people who would try and sue Sintendo over a Mrio Mker level that they can’t beat first try.
The article is using as a source a 4chan post that had a docket number that didn’t check out. I’m pretty sure this is a joke someone took seriously because they needed to publish something today.
This would get almost immediately dismissed by any judge.
I the US you can sue anyone for anything. You’ll lose for stuff like this post, but you can do it all you want. The fact anyone is reporting on this is the issue. It should be ignored.
It’s the oddest choice to sue FromSoftware because Elden Ring, a Souls-like which, is advertised to be a very difficult game. Personally, I stay away from Fromsoft games because of their difficulty, I play games for fun; any game that requires an extreme amount of skill right out off the bat is simply not it to me. I guess this person can waste their money doing whatever they’d like; I don’t see them having any hope of winning this frivolous lawsuit.
This is like suing an MMO because you want to solo raid dungeons so you can enjoy the content without having to play multiplayer.
Don’t get me wrong, their opinion is fine. But the lawsuit is idiotic. Just do what the rest of us do when we’re screwed over by circumstance and choices: build a bridge and get over it.
The only circumstance I could see a “too hard” lawsuit maybe possibly hypothetically working out is if the customer was disabled. They might have a slim chance if they could use the Americans with Disability Act (ADA) to sledgehammer the game developer with. I personally don’t believe it would work, but I’m not a lawyer so what the hell do I know.
You can file the paperwork to attempt to sue anyone for anything. It doesn’t mean it will be accepted by the court, or that the judge will not summon you there specifically to laugh in your face, declare your suit frivolous, throw you out, and refuse to validate your parking.
If Jabroni thinks he’s having it rough with Elden Ring, he ought to go back and try out the first couple of King’s Field games…
From reading his posts, he doesn’t think the game is too hard he thinks there’s an entire game hidden inside Elden Ring. He claims there’s an entire parallel universe for the lands between hidden in the game files and no one has found it because they purposely hid this final “50% of the game” and made it impossible to find.
Not sure and I don’t exactly understand that part. It has to do with the themes and messages behind Bloodborne and how that game is a metaphor for awakening true humanity or something along those lines. But that was just a cross franchise hint for the actual parallel universe in Elden Ring.
I mean if so then good! If he has any evidence he could fucking share about it then we can go on trying to solve the puzzle. It would be a bold and striking move that would put from software aseven more transcendent a developer
The “evidence” most likely came to him when he forgot to take his pills. From Software games have a huge following of people hunting for cut content, going through every item for its lore etc. They even got Armored Cores into the game, and tarnished into Armored Core. If there was anything, it would be known on release basically.
It’s not even that hard. I seriously was bracing for some ridiculous bullshit based on the response but I haven’t struggled at all through it. Sometimes I do hit a hard boss and explore to come back later, but nothing insurmountable. I still have yet to finish but Sekiro still makes this games seem like a walk in the park. Hell, all the Dark souls games are far harder too.
Given its open world nature, I would bet the difficulty of the game varies greatly depending on where someone randomly decides to explore.
And, any repeat attempts won’t reveal much because on a second go the player will have experience with systems that will keep them safe or at least better conditioned around their losses.
I guess that’s the thing really, is all you gotta do is recognize you can go somewhere else. Come back and practice the hard part occasionally. Go find more scadu fragments, new weapons, spells, tools, experiment a little. Hell if you really need go respec and make a focused build. Or summon people to help you. There’s so many options, I hit some hard stuff but it never felt like a brick wall.
This once again tires back in with patience and recognizing which parts are hard by comparison.
“Time to try Elden Ring! Hm. This first area I’ve spent 20 minutes in is too hard. I’ll go somewhere else. Actually, this other area I spent half an hour in is also too hard. I’ll go somewhere else. Hmm…actually…”
Not to mention, understanding the stat systems enough to respec can be hard itself. And, summoning people to help you often means you’re not learning or engaging with the game mechanics yourself (or, getting slaughtered by invaders - patience again)
There’s genuine reasons why those things as a form of difficulty adaptation do not work well for everyone. People get an inconsistent and unreadable experience, and conclude simply “The game is too hard.” Often, that statement is made with incomplete information, but that’s what they’ve got from trying to learn it themselves. Obviously, if you look up walkthroughs it’s boringly easy and has no sense of discovery.
Buy game that is wildly known to be too difficult for some. Made by studio known for making games too difficult for some.
Throws a fit and sues studio.
Yeah, that sounds like a skill issue.
Edit: It gets worse.
The player references not only Elden Ring but also Bloodborne in this regard. He says that game director Hidetaka Miyazaki cut a large chunk of Bloodborne out of the game. This was revealed in an interview where Miyazaki discussed players transforming into a beast. The player believes that this transformation feature is in Bloodborne but wasn’t ever added to the playable game.
Fo real tho, difficulty in some games is more of an add on than a core mechanic. FromSoft weave difficulty into the narrative of their games in a way that is just so deliciously painful. More please.
It is a game that is difficult, made by a company that is widely known for making some of the highest difficulty games in gaming. And arguably, Elden Ring is their easiest game. This guy signed up for it. If he didn’t know, its his fault.
There is no lawsuit here, this gets thrown out instantly. FromSoftware makes games and they can make whatever they want. If people don’t want their games, then they won’t buy them.
People can sue for whatever reason they want, but that doesn’t mean a court will entertain it. I’m sure whatever judge this is put in front of will dismiss it immediately.
As for the difficulty discussion. Not all games are made for all players, and that’s OK. If it’s too hard for you, play sometime else. Soulsborne games do not need difficulty settings, and I’m glad they don’t.
Soulslike games only frustrate me immensely. I don’t mind a challenge, but when a game starts to feel more like work than hobby I’ll pass. So Elden Ring has never been on my wishlist, but I applaud those who have the motivation to git gud and persevere.
To each their own, research a bit before you buy something and accept that you might sometimes buy a game that doesn’t suit you. Mistakes and wrong decisions happen, that’s life.
Elden Ring is probabaly the easiest game that From Software (FS) has made.
I however don’t like the default multi-player design of FS games and waited for the Seamless Co-op mod to be released and then picked it up to play with friends as a tough open world MP adventure.
RE: Default MP Design -
I think it’s poor design to offer incentives for players to be anonymous assholes to other players. Game Studios have spent millions of dollars investing in research and technologies to reduce game community toxicity. And if you attempt to play a FS game outside the first month of release in MP mode, prepare to have your fun ruined.
Invasions aren’t toxic. You’re brute forcing a game balanced around solo play by abusing action economy and boss aggro. You can, at any time, start a boss and boot someone. Not to mention the overwhelming advantage you have over the invader should you choose to fight them.
This is a healthy attitude. The game offers “easy mode” in the sense that you can use tools like summons, magic, just plain old grinding until you’re massively levelled, and so on, but if you’re not enjoying it then there’s no point playing. It’s okay for a game to not be for everyone and good for people to recognise that it’s not for them.
I really enjoy the games but fuck me there’s no way I’ll ever be taking on Malenia. I could use summons and stuff, but what I actually like is the one-on-one dodging fights, so if I did I’d just be doing it to have done it. That’s fine. I just have to evaluate the game based on what I get from the rest of it
To beat Malenia I used the Fallingstar Beast Jaw gravity-lightning attack with Mimic Tear doing it too. It slows her down with lots of poise damage and it does high damage. I think I added a magic potion combo of the one that makes you have high equipment capacity (for light rolling) and the one that increases poise damage.
The reason that they can be a lawsuit is you can sue for anything in the US, doesn’t mean that it has any merit to it, or the case will ever even be heard.
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I’d say it’s absolutely insane that someone might actually be able to take the creators of Elden Ring to court over the fact they’re not good enough to beat a game intentionally made to be hard. I imagine they’re the same people who would try and sue Sintendo over a Mrio Mker level that they can’t beat first try.
The article is using as a source a 4chan post that had a docket number that didn’t check out. I’m pretty sure this is a joke someone took seriously because they needed to publish something today.
This would get almost immediately dismissed by any judge.
I the US you can sue anyone for anything. You’ll lose for stuff like this post, but you can do it all you want. The fact anyone is reporting on this is the issue. It should be ignored.
Psst! Your censors are making italics! Add a backslash to both of them to m*ke it w*rk.
Thanks for the heads up. This whole text formatting thing can be annoying.
It’s the oddest choice to sue FromSoftware because Elden Ring, a Souls-like which, is advertised to be a very difficult game. Personally, I stay away from Fromsoft games because of their difficulty, I play games for fun; any game that requires an extreme amount of skill right out off the bat is simply not it to me. I guess this person can waste their money doing whatever they’d like; I don’t see them having any hope of winning this frivolous lawsuit.
This is like suing an MMO because you want to solo raid dungeons so you can enjoy the content without having to play multiplayer.
Don’t get me wrong, their opinion is fine. But the lawsuit is idiotic. Just do what the rest of us do when we’re screwed over by circumstance and choices: build a bridge and get over it.
The only circumstance I could see a “too hard” lawsuit maybe possibly hypothetically working out is if the customer was disabled. They might have a slim chance if they could use the Americans with Disability Act (ADA) to sledgehammer the game developer with. I personally don’t believe it would work, but I’m not a lawyer so what the hell do I know.
I don’t even think the ‘too difficult’ crowd will get behind this person. What an insanely stupid thing to try and pull off.
And if it is successful, all it will do is harm the gaming industry into hegemony.
Pretty sure people have actually sued MMOs over group content, several times if I recall.
None of them won, of course.
From reading his posts, he doesn’t think the game is too hard he thinks there’s an entire game hidden inside Elden Ring. He claims there’s an entire parallel universe for the lands between hidden in the game files and no one has found it because they purposely hid this final “50% of the game” and made it impossible to find.
So if they made it impossible to find, how did he find it?
Not sure and I don’t exactly understand that part. It has to do with the themes and messages behind Bloodborne and how that game is a metaphor for awakening true humanity or something along those lines. But that was just a cross franchise hint for the actual parallel universe in Elden Ring.
I think that’s called teasing a sequel…
That… Is quite a stretch.
Elden Rangus Evangelion conspiracy theory! Far out!
Holy hell I kinda hope they actually let this go to trial just to make him present his “evidence”
I mean if so then good! If he has any evidence he could fucking share about it then we can go on trying to solve the puzzle. It would be a bold and striking move that would put from software aseven more transcendent a developer
The “evidence” most likely came to him when he forgot to take his pills. From Software games have a huge following of people hunting for cut content, going through every item for its lore etc. They even got Armored Cores into the game, and tarnished into Armored Core. If there was anything, it would be known on release basically.
Yea, i mean i don’t believe it for a second, but it would still be cool AF
…what?..
Is this your first time being exposed to frivolous lawsuit bullshittery?
Kings Field II (JP) my beloved
It’s not even that hard. I seriously was bracing for some ridiculous bullshit based on the response but I haven’t struggled at all through it. Sometimes I do hit a hard boss and explore to come back later, but nothing insurmountable. I still have yet to finish but Sekiro still makes this games seem like a walk in the park. Hell, all the Dark souls games are far harder too.
Given its open world nature, I would bet the difficulty of the game varies greatly depending on where someone randomly decides to explore.
And, any repeat attempts won’t reveal much because on a second go the player will have experience with systems that will keep them safe or at least better conditioned around their losses.
I guess that’s the thing really, is all you gotta do is recognize you can go somewhere else. Come back and practice the hard part occasionally. Go find more scadu fragments, new weapons, spells, tools, experiment a little. Hell if you really need go respec and make a focused build. Or summon people to help you. There’s so many options, I hit some hard stuff but it never felt like a brick wall.
This once again tires back in with patience and recognizing which parts are hard by comparison.
“Time to try Elden Ring! Hm. This first area I’ve spent 20 minutes in is too hard. I’ll go somewhere else. Actually, this other area I spent half an hour in is also too hard. I’ll go somewhere else. Hmm…actually…”
Not to mention, understanding the stat systems enough to respec can be hard itself. And, summoning people to help you often means you’re not learning or engaging with the game mechanics yourself (or, getting slaughtered by invaders - patience again)
There’s genuine reasons why those things as a form of difficulty adaptation do not work well for everyone. People get an inconsistent and unreadable experience, and conclude simply “The game is too hard.” Often, that statement is made with incomplete information, but that’s what they’ve got from trying to learn it themselves. Obviously, if you look up walkthroughs it’s boringly easy and has no sense of discovery.
Buy game that is wildly known to be too difficult for some. Made by studio known for making games too difficult for some.
Throws a fit and sues studio.
Yeah, that sounds like a skill issue.
Edit: It gets worse.
https://nexushub.co.za/nexus/elden-ring-player-sues-from-software-over-difficult-and-inaccessible-game.html
This person is just plain mentally challenged. And I don’t mean that as an insult. Shit, that’s actually sad.
Uhh… What? It was added in the DLC with the Beast’s Embrace rune. Equip that rune and the Beast Claw and voila! You’re now a beast.
Very Onionesque.
Fo real tho, difficulty in some games is more of an add on than a core mechanic. FromSoft weave difficulty into the narrative of their games in a way that is just so deliciously painful. More please.
You can file a lawsuit about just about anything. It doesn’t mean it’s going anywhere.
Who is it, QuantumTV?
It is a game that is difficult, made by a company that is widely known for making some of the highest difficulty games in gaming. And arguably, Elden Ring is their easiest game. This guy signed up for it. If he didn’t know, its his fault.
There is no lawsuit here, this gets thrown out instantly. FromSoftware makes games and they can make whatever they want. If people don’t want their games, then they won’t buy them.
If you doubt this, go start a new play through on Dark Souls II.
I have given dark souls II more chances then any other in the series. And man from was more then a little assholish there. Iron keep can kiss my ass
Fume Knight says hi. At the end I near perfected him but damn that took me a long time. Orphan of kos is a never again situation for me though.
Somehow I had a way harder time with Elden Ring than Dark Souls 1 or 2, but difficulty is a bit subjective.
Before the DLC I might have agreed with you.
DLC included, ER is significantly harder than DSII
Not that this is a bad thing
Literally the biggest casul to ever exist
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In America, you can sue anyone for literally anything.
Doesn’t mean you’ll win, but it’s basically a highly enshrined natural right that only the rich can make best use of.
People can sue for whatever reason they want, but that doesn’t mean a court will entertain it. I’m sure whatever judge this is put in front of will dismiss it immediately.
As for the difficulty discussion. Not all games are made for all players, and that’s OK. If it’s too hard for you, play sometime else. Soulsborne games do not need difficulty settings, and I’m glad they don’t.
A game that is designed to be difficult, turns out to be difficult. More at 11
Soulslike games only frustrate me immensely. I don’t mind a challenge, but when a game starts to feel more like work than hobby I’ll pass. So Elden Ring has never been on my wishlist, but I applaud those who have the motivation to git gud and persevere.
To each their own, research a bit before you buy something and accept that you might sometimes buy a game that doesn’t suit you. Mistakes and wrong decisions happen, that’s life.
Elden Ring is probabaly the easiest game that From Software (FS) has made.
I however don’t like the default multi-player design of FS games and waited for the Seamless Co-op mod to be released and then picked it up to play with friends as a tough open world MP adventure.
RE: Default MP Design -
I think it’s poor design to offer incentives for players to be anonymous assholes to other players. Game Studios have spent millions of dollars investing in research and technologies to reduce game community toxicity. And if you attempt to play a FS game outside the first month of release in MP mode, prepare to have your fun ruined.
Invasions aren’t toxic. You’re brute forcing a game balanced around solo play by abusing action economy and boss aggro. You can, at any time, start a boss and boot someone. Not to mention the overwhelming advantage you have over the invader should you choose to fight them.
It could, literally, not be more in your control.
This is a healthy attitude. The game offers “easy mode” in the sense that you can use tools like summons, magic, just plain old grinding until you’re massively levelled, and so on, but if you’re not enjoying it then there’s no point playing. It’s okay for a game to not be for everyone and good for people to recognise that it’s not for them.
I really enjoy the games but fuck me there’s no way I’ll ever be taking on Malenia. I could use summons and stuff, but what I actually like is the one-on-one dodging fights, so if I did I’d just be doing it to have done it. That’s fine. I just have to evaluate the game based on what I get from the rest of it
To beat Malenia I used the Fallingstar Beast Jaw gravity-lightning attack with Mimic Tear doing it too. It slows her down with lots of poise damage and it does high damage. I think I added a magic potion combo of the one that makes you have high equipment capacity (for light rolling) and the one that increases poise damage.
The reason that they can be a lawsuit is you can sue for anything in the US, doesn’t mean that it has any merit to it, or the case will ever even be heard.