Weird. Considering us folk born in the early 80s got lumped with millennial. I was playing all the doom and doom clones in the library in middleschool.
Yup, I’m a later 80s millennial, but I’m the youngest of four and my oldest sibling is at the top end of gen x, so I played lots of 80s and 90s games because that’s what we had available (first consoles were an Atari and NES).
I played Doom as a kid and I played gzdoom as late as college with friends, it’s great fun! In fact, if someone mentions “Doom” in a conversation, I think of OG Doom, not 2016 Doom.
I call anyone younger than me a “coomer” and any unnecessarily complicated rougue fps is a “coomer shooter”. Does your game have a timer to purposely slow you down? Coomer game.
I feel like the word “coomer” really captures the lifestyle and essence of today’s unintelligent and entitled kids.
Yup, my parents are right smack in the middle of the boomer gen ('50s) and we recently celebrated my dad’s 70th birthday by going on a cruise. They’re still somewhat active, but we still needed to take their age account (we did a couple small hikes as excursions).
I’m not sure if the name stems from the Baby Boomers or, like, “BOOM! Headshot!” Because Doom and even Wolfenstein were the games of my very millennial youth, and didn’t exist for most of most Boomer’s life time.
That said, my dad (who is a boomer) played the shit out of Doom and Heretic. But stopped when Quake came out and everything started centering around aiming with the mouse. He always used the mouse to move. 🤢
But seriously I think it varies by use case. “Tight” languages like golang, python, ruby, or most backends (other than Java)? Going over 80 is a bit of a smell. But if we’re talking about a React frontend? Then yeah, an 80 character limit is obnoxious.
Nah, Python is a little verbose at times, so 100 is a bit better, especially for longer comprehensions with an if clause. Our team uses keyword parameters pretty much everywhere, so a lot of regular function calls wrap even at our 120-line limit (I’m trying to push us toward positional-only args to keep it under control).
It really depends on the use case. Scripting? 80 should suffice. Writing a complete program with classes, methods in classes, calling methods of variables, chaining method calls… 80 is very punishing. Even 130 is punishing for some pyspark methods. To apply line limits , you end up dividing calls in separate lines, which in turn makes the whole file much, much larger. Doing to it for the times it happens in 130 lines is completely fine, but with 80 a 800 lines file would be converted to 2000 at minimum. That’s not good.
It comes from a few years ago. Some team making a boomer shooter weren’t sure what genre they wanted to advertise it as, since just plain “first person shooter” is saturated. One of them saw the original DOOM described on twitter as “some kinda boomer-ass shooter” and thought it was hilarious, so they went with it.
It’s important to recognize some Boomers were born in 1946, and some were born in 1964, so there is quite a range in regards to how they dealt with tech in the early 90s
Well, you can’t do a headshot in Doom because there’s no vertical look. So it’s either a reference to older people (ok boomer) or the ridiculous explode-y weapons you get and the general feeling of blasting through hordes of baddies. I’m guessing it’s the older people term, since modern shooters look nothing like Doom.
True I think there was a big gap somewhere in the years between when o.g. 2.5d retro shooters like Doom, Blood, and Hexen players got used to moving with mouse look, and the people who played shooters like Quake, UT and counterstrike back in 2000-2005 where we aimed with the mouse and strafe run with the left and right keyboard buttons.
A few other hidden gems back in the day that I never got around to playing until years later after their prime time was probably Descent, System Shock and also AvP.
I hope you’ve seen the Zero Punctuation episode on Painkiller. It was the second positive review he ever gave, and caused the sales of the game to skyrocket temporarily.
On a semi-related note: Is there a commonly agreed upon term for games like ‘Vampire Survivors’ yet and does it have its own tag on Steam?
So far, I’ve only found ‘Action Roguelike’, but that one has a lot of games that are, well, action based Roguelikes, like ‘Binding of Isaac’ and ‘Risk of Rain’.
For Steam, not yet. Thy might eventually go the “Open World Survival Crafting” route and combine the popular tags to one, but for now they are Bullet Hell + Action Roguelike.
bearly anyone who’s a boomer is playing these games or probs has ever played them short of seeing their kids boot it up. if anything these would be gen x shooters. People don’t seem to even know wtf a boomer is. boomer for gen z seems to = anyone over 40 lmao.
There’s rarely a strict cutoff for this sort of thing. If you’re on the edges, it’s sort of “whichever feels right”. I am only a year older than my wife, and we were both born in the late 70s, but I had a brother 7 years older than me and she was her parents’ first. Based on the TikToks she sends me, she identifies as a millennial. I am much more in tune with the Gen X zeitgeist.
Yeah the whole thing is just opinion and nothing official. Even Wikipedia 's definitions are based off others opinions. However to me, millennial makes sense as 82 and on being the first graduating classes of new millennium. I remember in elementary school they’d make such a huge deal about being the class of 2000.
I’ve also seen another group cut into the early 80s as the Oregon Trail generation, as a way to for people who don’t associate well with Gen x or millennials.
Boomer became an insult for anyone vaguely older then zoomer. Millennials are also called boomers if they are out of touch as well. Then boomer just meant old. More importantly Boomer ends with er and so is more fun to say as Boomer Shooter over GenX shooter or old shooter of classic shooter.
But this comment has big Boomer energy according to zoomers
I had a good laugh when I noticed this tag on steam yesterday.
I think the reality is, “boomer” as a term is here to stay and a moving target: as gen x ages into 40+, they’ll become boomers. One day when gen Z becomes old, they’ll be called boomers. At least here, there’s a fun double meaning to the term. For me, I came into the Doom franchise at Doom 2, at an age where what I played was still very much influenced by my parents and friends’ parents. So yes, Gen X were the primary player base, but it’s not unfair to say the boomers often paid for the game and maybe sat down to a round or two of it. And given that, it might have been one of the last games they were able to sit down and enjoy. I don’t know if anyone else experienced something similar, but my dad in the last 20 years of his life or so really locked in on the 1997 MTG: Shandalar game, and despite several computer upgrades along the way was never interested in any of the newer MTG digital offerings, preferring the cards and UI and experience he was familiar with. And while similar with Doom that game was played by many Gen X and Millenials, I think those demographics mostly continued to follow the franchise through newer releases: but maybe not the boomers.
In fact, millennials have begun turning 40 already. Not everybody agrees on generation cutoffs, but I don’t think there’s anyone who considers someone born in 1984 to still be Gen X.
I wish this wasn’t the case. I’m im my 50s, my dad is in his 70s, we have a standing get together every week to play COD zombies. People sometimes look at me like I’m crazy when I bring it up, but we have so much fun. He’s played FPS probably more than I have. So many fathers and sons have lost their connections over the years, but as long as we can both pick up a controller, we are fucking some zombies up.
I claim gen x. I’m outside the range, but I have more in common with that gen than either millennials (my actual gen) or boomers (what everyone calls me). I mostly listen to classic rock (late 70s and 80s), still whine about removed MtG rules from the 90s, and my first video game systems were the Atari and NES.
So if it’s okay I’ll just sit next to you. We don’t need to talk or anything though, I won’t be a bother.
No Quake was a real level up from Doom, at least graphics wise.
Though I actually preferred the sprite graphics for smaller monsters, what I reckon would have been cool is if we could have a retro reboot of Doom 2 but with Quake style 3d monsters for mini bosses, and a whole Hexen remix/mashup but with UT style grenades and low gravity jumps and stuff
If you call the whole genre doom clones then that means Doom is a doom clone. Kind of like the problem with ‘Souls-like’ games. Also calling them clones somewhat diminishes the accomplishments and inmovations of the devs within the genre.
Also some people would add not having upgrades or unlocks of any kind that persist between runs for a game to be considered a true roguelike, the idea being it’s you the player who learns and gets better to eventually be able to beat the game, and not because you failed 50 runs to eventually unlock enough hp and damage upgrades.
Which is why the “correct” term for most of the games is roguelite and not -like.
Yup, that’s what I mean by permadeath, you start each run from scratch, though you may unlock access to content (i.e. open a new area, unlock a class, etc) that the next play through can access.
Maybe Doom-like is better, since “clone” implies they didn’t add anything. It has worked really well for rogue-like, and souls-like has also evolved a bit to not just be “like dark souls,” but any game with a focus on hard boss fights.
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Boomer shooter sounds like a game where you have both guns and grenades.
Weird. Considering us folk born in the early 80s got lumped with millennial. I was playing all the doom and doom clones in the library in middleschool.
Yup, I’m a later 80s millennial, but I’m the youngest of four and my oldest sibling is at the top end of gen x, so I played lots of 80s and 90s games because that’s what we had available (first consoles were an Atari and NES).
I played Doom as a kid and I played gzdoom as late as college with friends, it’s great fun! In fact, if someone mentions “Doom” in a conversation, I think of OG Doom, not 2016 Doom.
Has anybody else noticed that boomer isn’t the correct generation for this nomenclature? It’s like people aren’t using words literally or something.
Yes. Did you read any of the comments before you posted yours? Lol
Christ, sarcasm really doesn’t fly on here does it.
Eh can’t win them all I guess
I call anyone younger than me a “coomer” and any unnecessarily complicated rougue fps is a “coomer shooter”. Does your game have a timer to purposely slow you down? Coomer game. I feel like the word “coomer” really captures the lifestyle and essence of today’s unintelligent and entitled kids.
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Ok coomer
I’m gonna coom on your boom
I am pretty sure boomers are not FPS gamers.
They used to be, then they took an arrow to the knee.
Thank you for this chuckle hehe
Yeah, I think some people don’t think of boomers as 70 year olds.
The same people who still think of millennials as people in their early/mid 20s instead of late 30s early 40s.
TBH thou, like “millennials” has replaced “young’ins” for boomers, the same can be for millennials, “boomers” replacing “old man”.
Yup, my parents are right smack in the middle of the boomer gen ('50s) and we recently celebrated my dad’s 70th birthday by going on a cruise. They’re still somewhat active, but we still needed to take their age account (we did a couple small hikes as excursions).
My dad was a boomer and he absolutely loved Doom and Duke Nukem.
The joke is that younger generations refer to anything older than them as boomer. Hence boomer shooter.
My boomer dad is definitely an FPS gamer, and he has been since Doom.
Maybe you shoot boomers?
It’s a perfectly cromulent genre
I’m not sure if the name stems from the Baby Boomers or, like, “BOOM! Headshot!” Because Doom and even Wolfenstein were the games of my very millennial youth, and didn’t exist for most of most Boomer’s life time.
That said, my dad (who is a boomer) played the shit out of Doom and Heretic. But stopped when Quake came out and everything started centering around aiming with the mouse. He always used the mouse to move. 🤢
I think it’s just because they’re old. I’ve got told “ok boomer” for complaining about lines of source code longer than 80 characters.
I mean, that’s the exact response it deserves.
Haha yeah I’ve seen the error of my ways.
But seriously I think it varies by use case. “Tight” languages like golang, python, ruby, or most backends (other than Java)? Going over 80 is a bit of a smell. But if we’re talking about a React frontend? Then yeah, an 80 character limit is obnoxious.
Nah, Python is a little verbose at times, so 100 is a bit better, especially for longer comprehensions with an if clause. Our team uses keyword parameters pretty much everywhere, so a lot of regular function calls wrap even at our 120-line limit (I’m trying to push us toward positional-only args to keep it under control).
It really depends on the use case. Scripting? 80 should suffice. Writing a complete program with classes, methods in classes, calling methods of variables, chaining method calls… 80 is very punishing. Even 130 is punishing for some pyspark methods. To apply line limits , you end up dividing calls in separate lines, which in turn makes the whole file much, much larger. Doing to it for the times it happens in 130 lines is completely fine, but with 80 a 800 lines file would be converted to 2000 at minimum. That’s not good.
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120 is the limit for me. Anything longer is crazy pills.
That’s our team’s limit, but I still think that’s too long. I think 100 is a good compromise.
Yeah if I have to turn on text wrapping to read the code, then something is seriously wrong.
It comes from a few years ago. Some team making a boomer shooter weren’t sure what genre they wanted to advertise it as, since just plain “first person shooter” is saturated. One of them saw the original DOOM described on twitter as “some kinda boomer-ass shooter” and thought it was hilarious, so they went with it.
My boomer relatives skipped over DOOM and Wolfenstein and got into Duke Nukem.
It’s important to recognize some Boomers were born in 1946, and some were born in 1964, so there is quite a range in regards to how they dealt with tech in the early 90s
Youngest boomer. Mainly playing League of Legends at the moment as support.
I’d like to apologise to my ADCs in advance - apart from the crappy ones.
Niiiiice
It’s because they’re the boomers of the shooter world.
Well, you can’t do a headshot in Doom because there’s no vertical look. So it’s either a reference to older people (ok boomer) or the ridiculous explode-y weapons you get and the general feeling of blasting through hordes of baddies. I’m guessing it’s the older people term, since modern shooters look nothing like Doom.
True I think there was a big gap somewhere in the years between when o.g. 2.5d retro shooters like Doom, Blood, and Hexen players got used to moving with mouse look, and the people who played shooters like Quake, UT and counterstrike back in 2000-2005 where we aimed with the mouse and strafe run with the left and right keyboard buttons.
A few other hidden gems back in the day that I never got around to playing until years later after their prime time was probably Descent, System Shock and also AvP.
Those were the days alright
Lol I thought the genre was called boomer shooter because you have an arsenal of guns that go boom while circle strafing and holding the mouse button.
Same, I guess I’m a boomer.
I thought it was called “Boomer Shooter” because it let you shoot conservative old people.
I love these sort of games, Painkiller is my fav
I hope you’ve seen the Zero Punctuation episode on Painkiller. It was the second positive review he ever gave, and caused the sales of the game to skyrocket temporarily.
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On a semi-related note: Is there a commonly agreed upon term for games like ‘Vampire Survivors’ yet and does it have its own tag on Steam?
So far, I’ve only found ‘Action Roguelike’, but that one has a lot of games that are, well, action based Roguelikes, like ‘Binding of Isaac’ and ‘Risk of Rain’.
For Steam, not yet. Thy might eventually go the “Open World Survival Crafting” route and combine the popular tags to one, but for now they are Bullet Hell + Action Roguelike.
I call them arcade style games.
I like Arcade Style. I could see putting coins in and using a single joystick to play it on an arcade box.
Exactly!
Bullet Heaven.
Bullet hell maybe?
Reverse bullet hell
I’ve heard it called Reverse Bullet Hell
I call them Horders
survivors-like
Looks like bullet hell rogue-like, though I haven’t played it to know for sure. Search for those two genres together.
Bullet heaven is what I’ve heard as an antithesis of bullet hell. You’re the source of the bullets.
Horde something I think? Horde shooter is fps wave style games, so top down horde… Thing.
God, I wish. No, there’s like a dozen. Off the top of my head, I’ve heard
If any one of them gained prominance, we could have a steam tag, but nobody will agree, so here we are
Yeah, it’s kinda telling when I explicitly ask if there’s a commonly used term yet and I get like a dozen of different answers.
They would be better called GenX shooters. Cheesy aaaand accurate!
bearly anyone who’s a boomer is playing these games or probs has ever played them short of seeing their kids boot it up. if anything these would be gen x shooters. People don’t seem to even know wtf a boomer is. boomer for gen z seems to = anyone over 40 lmao.
Technically, they’re all millennial shooters, because the entire genre was only invented in the 90s and mostly played by teenagers.
In fact, boomers started a whole episode of “satanic panic” about them after it turned out that the Columbine shooters loved to play DOOM.
Yea, thats Gen X. Majority of millennials weren’t teens in the 90’s
The first millenials were born in 1981, so yes, they were definitely teenagers by that point.
Isn’t it 82? Whole reason they’re called millennials is because they graduated high school in the “new millennium”. 81 would have graduated in 99.
There’s rarely a strict cutoff for this sort of thing. If you’re on the edges, it’s sort of “whichever feels right”. I am only a year older than my wife, and we were both born in the late 70s, but I had a brother 7 years older than me and she was her parents’ first. Based on the TikToks she sends me, she identifies as a millennial. I am much more in tune with the Gen X zeitgeist.
Yeah the whole thing is just opinion and nothing official. Even Wikipedia 's definitions are based off others opinions. However to me, millennial makes sense as 82 and on being the first graduating classes of new millennium. I remember in elementary school they’d make such a huge deal about being the class of 2000.
I’ve also seen another group cut into the early 80s as the Oregon Trail generation, as a way to for people who don’t associate well with Gen x or millennials.
Nah dude. I’m a millennial, born in 80s. I was a teen in the 90s.
Gen x was in their 20s. They were the ones making these games, for the most part.
John Carmack, one of the programmers of Doom, was 23 when Doom was released. (Born 1970)
Just pitching in some additional info about who was making theses games.
Yeah, he’s right in Gen x.
Boomer became an insult for anyone vaguely older then zoomer. Millennials are also called boomers if they are out of touch as well. Then boomer just meant old. More importantly Boomer ends with er and so is more fun to say as Boomer Shooter over GenX shooter or old shooter of classic shooter.
But this comment has big Boomer energy according to zoomers
I had a good laugh when I noticed this tag on steam yesterday.
I think the reality is, “boomer” as a term is here to stay and a moving target: as gen x ages into 40+, they’ll become boomers. One day when gen Z becomes old, they’ll be called boomers. At least here, there’s a fun double meaning to the term. For me, I came into the Doom franchise at Doom 2, at an age where what I played was still very much influenced by my parents and friends’ parents. So yes, Gen X were the primary player base, but it’s not unfair to say the boomers often paid for the game and maybe sat down to a round or two of it. And given that, it might have been one of the last games they were able to sit down and enjoy. I don’t know if anyone else experienced something similar, but my dad in the last 20 years of his life or so really locked in on the 1997 MTG: Shandalar game, and despite several computer upgrades along the way was never interested in any of the newer MTG digital offerings, preferring the cards and UI and experience he was familiar with. And while similar with Doom that game was played by many Gen X and Millenials, I think those demographics mostly continued to follow the franchise through newer releases: but maybe not the boomers.
This is a nitpick, but gen x moved into the 40+ age group long ago. As a gen Xer I’ll be in my 50’s later this year. 🤮
And yeah, doom is peak Gen X probably.
In fact, millennials have begun turning 40 already. Not everybody agrees on generation cutoffs, but I don’t think there’s anyone who considers someone born in 1984 to still be Gen X.
Kind of like how “Millennial” for a while meant ‘teenager’ despite the oldest Millennial being 40.
Yup. I’m apparently a millennial to some people and a boomer to others. Go figure.
I wish this wasn’t the case. I’m im my 50s, my dad is in his 70s, we have a standing get together every week to play COD zombies. People sometimes look at me like I’m crazy when I bring it up, but we have so much fun. He’s played FPS probably more than I have. So many fathers and sons have lost their connections over the years, but as long as we can both pick up a controller, we are fucking some zombies up.
Yeah, boomer is shorthand for old person now. And these are games for old people. Because we’re old now.
The most Gen X move is to get overlooked, so this feels right to me.
We’ll just be over here in the corner. If anyone needs us, don’t.
I claim gen x. I’m outside the range, but I have more in common with that gen than either millennials (my actual gen) or boomers (what everyone calls me). I mostly listen to classic rock (late 70s and 80s), still whine about removed MtG rules from the 90s, and my first video game systems were the Atari and NES.
So if it’s okay I’ll just sit next to you. We don’t need to talk or anything though, I won’t be a bother.
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What was wrong with calling them doom clones? That’s what they were called until gen z made OK boomer a meme
Because most are quake clones, not doom clones
Quake was a doom clone
No Quake was a real level up from Doom, at least graphics wise.
Though I actually preferred the sprite graphics for smaller monsters, what I reckon would have been cool is if we could have a retro reboot of Doom 2 but with Quake style 3d monsters for mini bosses, and a whole Hexen remix/mashup but with UT style grenades and low gravity jumps and stuff
Doesn’t sound as catchy I guess?
If you call the whole genre doom clones then that means Doom is a doom clone. Kind of like the problem with ‘Souls-like’ games. Also calling them clones somewhat diminishes the accomplishments and inmovations of the devs within the genre.
It happened with metroidvanias
And rogue-like, but maybe we’ve all accepted that it’s a bit broader than “just like Rogue” at this point.
I agree, I was providing a counter to their point rather than lamenting the fact!
I understand it to mean “heavily randomized”
It should be:
The last seems to be an unpopular definition though.
Also some people would add not having upgrades or unlocks of any kind that persist between runs for a game to be considered a true roguelike, the idea being it’s you the player who learns and gets better to eventually be able to beat the game, and not because you failed 50 runs to eventually unlock enough hp and damage upgrades.
Which is why the “correct” term for most of the games is roguelite and not -like.
Yup, that’s what I mean by permadeath, you start each run from scratch, though you may unlock access to content (i.e. open a new area, unlock a class, etc) that the next play through can access.
I disagree, it’s informative.
Maybe Doom-like is better, since “clone” implies they didn’t add anything. It has worked really well for rogue-like, and souls-like has also evolved a bit to not just be “like dark souls,” but any game with a focus on hard boss fights.
Because Amid Evil, Cultic, etc. aren’t cloning Doom.
That’s really disappointing. Boomers did not make or play doom clones.
Yeah but “Xennial Shooter” doesn’t have the same ring to it
Why try calling it that? They’ve been just fine with thier category the last 30 years, why change it now?
How about “Doom-like”? That makes the most sense to me…
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