Man using a computer gets arrested for using a computer on YouTube. Amazon, seller of disgusting emulation game stealing piracy devices, is completely innocent.
Nintendo really gets on my nerves. It’s like they want folks to hate Nintendo. They could had gone after Amazon but instead chose to go after the little guy.
Italy is a joke. Our politicians call us lazy, the rich go on TV crying because they can’t find people willing to work for minimal (or below) wage, and then a young person manages to carve themselves a path outside of the ‘norm’, our state immediately shows up and curb stomps them.
I was talking with a colleague of mine the other day. They work two jobs to make a living. The state taxed them so much, they are paying more for the second job that they are gaining, basically working for free. Tax the poor, let the rich off the hook.
Up to 20k per year you pay 23%, from 20k to 32k you pay 25% and from 32k to 50k per year you pay 35% income tax.
If my research is correct, the main job emplayer keeps the tax. So the second employer should keep those 23% as well. As long as your colleague earns less than 50k from both of his jobs, he only has to pay 12% of the second job‘s yearly income as taxes out of his own pocket.
So mathematically it should not be possible to pay to be able to work.
Unless he’s "self employed“ but then he’s allowed that employer to fist him lubeless.
That’s still not how progressive tax systems work. In your example, it’s the first 20k is taxed 23%, then the next 32k is taxed 25%, then the next 50k is taxed 35%.
So if you made 52k in a year, the first 20k yields 4.6k in taxes, then the remaining 32k yields 8k in taxes. Leading to a total of 12.6k in taxes, or an effective rate of ~24.2%
When the scores are settled sure, doesn’t mean there’s not mechanisms in any particular country that make this harder. Work two Jobs in the UK without carefully sorting PAYE and one of those will be collected at 40% emergency rates. You get it back eventually, but if you are paying transport, meals and other expenses to attend the second job I can see how it could get close to nothing. You get most of it back later, but that doesn’t help marginalized people trying to earn extra right now.
It’s a bit of a complicated situation and I wouldn’t go into much detail, but basically, they live in Italy, but one of their job is (work from home) in another country. They are taxed by the other country, then taxed by Italy as well.
After that, Italy fined them on some bullshit grounds and forced them to pay a ridiculous sum of money. Needless to say, they never attempted to skirt or evade taxes or anything. They worked their ass off and the country said “fuck you in particular” because Italy.
I specifically remember them telling me that, despite being half Italian, they wanted to live in Italy because they love the country and have friends and family here, but now they don’t know what to do. It’s heartbreaking seeing how our country treats its citizens, then our politicians going on TV and lamenting the fact that young people choose to go live elsewhere. Italy as a country doesn’t see you as a citizen to protect, it just wants to squeeze you dry and leave you for dead.
They might Google some double taxation agreement between Italy and this other country. Usually, if there isn’t any, there should be a law to create a specific situation for them to avoid double taxation.
That really sucks, man. I fully empathize with getting fucked by a greedy government that protects the wealthy while abusing the working class. The world needs to unite against the elites destroying it.
Our politicians call us lazy, the rich go on TV crying because they can’t find people willing to work for minimal (or below) wage
This sounds like Germany. I think it’s the norm in many countries by now. We already entered late stage capitalism, at this point it will only become worse.
Speaking from US perspective, our tax code is a few thousand pages. I don’t think it’s meant for most people to understand.
That said, yeah the effective tax rate being a larger percent of one’s income than the income from a second job is probably something that would be understood by most if stated differently.
Edit: i read some further responses and realized it’s a different situation than a simple effective tax rate issue. I also didn’t really understand the foreign and domestic tax issues at hand and resulting tax penalties though, so I’m in the ridiculous group.
Is anyone familiar with the channel itself? Because based on the article, it sounds like mostly (presumably he) is getting made an example of for reviewing hardware that comes with ROMs on an SD Card? But… a LOT of these “retro consoles” do and outlets just ignore it in favor of their totally legit collection that they don’t talk about.
Did OWN actually show what is on the SD Card and emphasize that these units came with it?
He seems super unsavvy when it comes to legal/formal proceedings or authority in general (I don’t mean that as a bad thing, we are all different, just that it can def affect how things go and escalate).
For one he got the notice in mid April & just continued to review (among other things?) such consoles this whole time (which makes me think now a trial is even more likely) & didn’t prepare for anything (his channels, personal things, SD cards with all them ROMs, etc).
The panic & the whole ‘why is this happening to me’ anger makes more sense in view of this (not that is isn’t warranted, from what I’ve seen it’s def stupid anyone is doing anything about this guy in general).
But other shit-showy things happened too - they took his phone to make a copy & didn’t return it for two months (it’s unclear if they had a warrant for it or if he volunteered it - or indeed if Italian law recognises what a “personal device” is as EU has yet to compile a delegated act that will unify definitions & personal rights for such modern necessities for all members).
(If a cop takes my phone & doesn’t promptly return it still locked I’m marring their mom & make them call me daddy before the trial starts. Then submit my phone in evidence with saucy newlywed pics. I would be angy too if they took my phone, not to mention some poor data retrieval specialist getting a lifetime dose of ptsd.)
An Italian youtuber with some legal experience explains a bit more (in Italian): youtube./zSEB4if2pJQ#.
What I was thinking is that the complaint had to be specific, ie some lawyer (for a Japanese megacorp?) found an exact thing to complain about (eg in this exact second of this specific vid he admits this personal gain and shows that illegal thing, etc). Not just something vague.
They are looking at all his communication, finances, and content on his channels (but might be focusing only on one YT channel - this and the fact they mention an Anbernic device makes me think it’s a very specific complaint).
I don’t know that much about Italian law enforcement but I agree that is a bit sus they went after him at all - there might be more to the story that he either isn’t saying or thinks (in your average “law ignorance” way) irrelevant but is very relevant. Idk.
Sounds like a massive overreaction and abuse of century-old laws.
If those devices are so bad, why not forbid selling them in Italy, instead of punishing people who buy them completely legally. Imagine going through all of this because you bought a laptop and posted a review online.
Aah, the Guardia di Finanza, the one police organ all italians actually respect and fear ( or so I hear ).
The charges don’t make sense though. Maybe by reviewing “pirate” material he was indirectly bypassing paying the italian state its due and thus they jumped him?
Retro gaming YouTuber Once Were Nerd has been sued and raided by the Italian government.
That’s insane. I know many of these handhelds come with pirated roms but taking it out on a youtube reviewer is outrageous. Why don’t they just ban them from being shipped to italy?
Easier to stomp on one individual than to crack down on the businesses importing this stuff. They’re probably also collecting some kind of import duty on them too.
I’m surprised they’ve gotten away with shipping preloaded SD cards for so long. That was a risk waiting to blow up in someone’s face, though it obviously isn’t fair to be going after some guy rather than the distributors.
To be fair, they (anbernic at least) sidestep the obvious minefields. No Mario, Pokemon, etc. A bunch of really sketchy and somewhat janky MAME ROMs, and a bunch of NES and others, on my 35xxV and 406h.
Reading through the article it appears that the group that carried out the most assassination was the Brigado Rosso, or Red Brigades. Interestingly, they also killed a prominent politician of the Christian Democrats, Aldo Moro, who was actively looking into working with the communist party, and his assassination killed his party’s plans to work with the Communist Party.
The CIA appears to have been involved only marginally, being mentioned only only at one point where fascists ask them if the USA would theoretically support a coup. (Technically they’re also mentioned in the list of parties involved in the conflict, as alleged supporters of the fascists). While this doesn’t prove that they weren’t involved, I did expect there to be more proven CIA meddling based on your earlier claims.
It appears that the CIA wasn’t to blame for the leftist’s. In fact, it seems like the Marxist-Leninist Red Brigades killed people until they had no allies left, thus being unable to sustain their campaign of assassinations. So, yeah, basically your source completely undermines your position.
I want you to know. That handlers might not pull the bullets. But they control the messaging from Langley. Just like Che’s death. It wasn’t an American killing them. But they were in the room when they were killed.
According to the video, officials are not required to disclose what exactly the charges are or who has brought them until the initial investigation is complete under Italian law. At that point, the case is either dismissed or goes to trial. The complaint specifically mentions reproduction of copyrighted material from Nintendo and Sony, but the case may originate from the agency itself.
So for now we don’t actually know the charges or if the trial will procede, but yeah definitely not fair.
The officials have access to the devices, they consumed the illegal content and then documented their findings. This is considered a review and the officials should be charged under the copyright law.
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Man using a computer gets arrested for using a computer on YouTube. Amazon, seller of disgusting emulation game stealing piracy devices, is completely innocent.
Nintendo really gets on my nerves. It’s like they want folks to hate Nintendo. They could had gone after Amazon but instead chose to go after the little guy.
Italy is a joke. Our politicians call us lazy, the rich go on TV crying because they can’t find people willing to work for minimal (or below) wage, and then a young person manages to carve themselves a path outside of the ‘norm’, our state immediately shows up and curb stomps them.
I was talking with a colleague of mine the other day. They work two jobs to make a living. The state taxed them so much, they are paying more for the second job that they are gaining, basically working for free. Tax the poor, let the rich off the hook.
Fuck Italy.
Up to 20k per year you pay 23%, from 20k to 32k you pay 25% and from 32k to 50k per year you pay 35% income tax. If my research is correct, the main job emplayer keeps the tax. So the second employer should keep those 23% as well. As long as your colleague earns less than 50k from both of his jobs, he only has to pay 12% of the second job‘s yearly income as taxes out of his own pocket.
So mathematically it should not be possible to pay to be able to work.
Unless he’s "self employed“ but then he’s allowed that employer to fist him lubeless.
That’s still not how progressive tax systems work. In your example, it’s the first 20k is taxed 23%, then the next 32k is taxed 25%, then the next 50k is taxed 35%.
So if you made 52k in a year, the first 20k yields 4.6k in taxes, then the remaining 32k yields 8k in taxes. Leading to a total of 12.6k in taxes, or an effective rate of ~24.2%
When the scores are settled sure, doesn’t mean there’s not mechanisms in any particular country that make this harder. Work two Jobs in the UK without carefully sorting PAYE and one of those will be collected at 40% emergency rates. You get it back eventually, but if you are paying transport, meals and other expenses to attend the second job I can see how it could get close to nothing. You get most of it back later, but that doesn’t help marginalized people trying to earn extra right now.
It’s a bit of a complicated situation and I wouldn’t go into much detail, but basically, they live in Italy, but one of their job is (work from home) in another country. They are taxed by the other country, then taxed by Italy as well.
After that, Italy fined them on some bullshit grounds and forced them to pay a ridiculous sum of money. Needless to say, they never attempted to skirt or evade taxes or anything. They worked their ass off and the country said “fuck you in particular” because Italy.
I specifically remember them telling me that, despite being half Italian, they wanted to live in Italy because they love the country and have friends and family here, but now they don’t know what to do. It’s heartbreaking seeing how our country treats its citizens, then our politicians going on TV and lamenting the fact that young people choose to go live elsewhere. Italy as a country doesn’t see you as a citizen to protect, it just wants to squeeze you dry and leave you for dead.
They might Google some double taxation agreement between Italy and this other country. Usually, if there isn’t any, there should be a law to create a specific situation for them to avoid double taxation.
So it’s not taxes, it’s some unspecified fines
That really sucks, man. I fully empathize with getting fucked by a greedy government that protects the wealthy while abusing the working class. The world needs to unite against the elites destroying it.
This sounds like Germany. I think it’s the norm in many countries by now. We already entered late stage capitalism, at this point it will only become worse.
Perhaps I’m misreading, but I don’t think this is mathematically possible.
The amount of people who don’t understand how taxes work is just ridiculous.
Speaking from US perspective, our tax code is a few thousand pages. I don’t think it’s meant for most people to understand.
That said, yeah the effective tax rate being a larger percent of one’s income than the income from a second job is probably something that would be understood by most if stated differently.
Edit: i read some further responses and realized it’s a different situation than a simple effective tax rate issue. I also didn’t really understand the foreign and domestic tax issues at hand and resulting tax penalties though, so I’m in the ridiculous group.
Seen this going around.
Is anyone familiar with the channel itself? Because based on the article, it sounds like mostly (presumably he) is getting made an example of for reviewing hardware that comes with ROMs on an SD Card? But… a LOT of these “retro consoles” do and outlets just ignore it in favor of their totally legit collection that they don’t talk about.
Did OWN actually show what is on the SD Card and emphasize that these units came with it?
He uploaded an English dubbed explanation: youtube/zSEB4if2pJQ#.
He seems super unsavvy when it comes to legal/formal proceedings or authority in general (I don’t mean that as a bad thing, we are all different, just that it can def affect how things go and escalate).
For one he got the notice in mid April & just continued to review (among other things?) such consoles this whole time (which makes me think now a trial is even more likely) & didn’t prepare for anything (his channels, personal things, SD cards with all them ROMs, etc).
The panic & the whole ‘why is this happening to me’ anger makes more sense in view of this (not that is isn’t warranted, from what I’ve seen it’s def stupid anyone is doing anything about this guy in general).
But other shit-showy things happened too - they took his phone to make a copy & didn’t return it for two months (it’s unclear if they had a warrant for it or if he volunteered it - or indeed if Italian law recognises what a “personal device” is as EU has yet to compile a delegated act that will unify definitions & personal rights for such modern necessities for all members).
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If a cop takes my phone & doesn’t promptly return it still locked I’m marring their mom & make them call me daddy before the trial starts. Then submit my phone in evidence with saucy newlywed pics.I would be angy too if they took my phone, not to mention some poor data retrieval specialist getting a lifetime dose of ptsd.)An Italian youtuber with some legal experience explains a bit more (in Italian): youtube./zSEB4if2pJQ#.
What I was thinking is that the complaint had to be specific, ie some lawyer (for a Japanese megacorp?) found an exact thing to complain about (eg in this exact second of this specific vid he admits this personal gain and shows that illegal thing, etc). Not just something vague.
They are looking at all his communication, finances, and content on his channels (but might be focusing only on one YT channel - this and the fact they mention an Anbernic device makes me think it’s a very specific complaint).
I don’t know that much about Italian law enforcement but I agree that is a bit sus they went after him at all - there might be more to the story that he either isn’t saying or thinks (in your average “law ignorance” way) irrelevant but is very relevant. Idk.
Thank you for the additional context and links!
Sounds like a massive overreaction and abuse of century-old laws.
If those devices are so bad, why not forbid selling them in Italy, instead of punishing people who buy them completely legally. Imagine going through all of this because you bought a laptop and posted a review online.
Aah, the Guardia di Finanza, the one police organ all italians actually respect and fear ( or so I hear ).
The charges don’t make sense though. Maybe by reviewing “pirate” material he was indirectly bypassing paying the italian state its due and thus they jumped him?
That’s insane. I know many of these handhelds come with pirated roms but taking it out on a youtube reviewer is outrageous. Why don’t they just ban them from being shipped to italy?
Easier to stomp on one individual than to crack down on the businesses importing this stuff. They’re probably also collecting some kind of import duty on them too.
My guess is it’s because reviewing is advertisement, as he’s making money off the review if he monetized the video.
I’m surprised they’ve gotten away with shipping preloaded SD cards for so long. That was a risk waiting to blow up in someone’s face, though it obviously isn’t fair to be going after some guy rather than the distributors.
To be fair, they (anbernic at least) sidestep the obvious minefields. No Mario, Pokemon, etc. A bunch of really sketchy and somewhat janky MAME ROMs, and a bunch of NES and others, on my 35xxV and 406h.
Draconian copyright laws, government overreach, and fascism. Name a more iconic trio.
In his honor I shall replay Grezzo Due 2.
Remember when Retro Game Corps almost had his youtube channel shut down by Nintendo for showing Nintendo footage on these handhelds?
Yeah…he’s probably thinking to himself “Welp. Time to retire.”
Fuck fascists. I can’t believe the literal Mussolini’s are making a comeback. Remember, the only good fascist is a dead fascist.
CIA killed all the leftists in Italy to keep Italy out of the USSR. Don’t forget that.
Common grandpa, take your pills now.
I mean. Are you trying to say that things that have been reported on and unclassified. Didn’t happen? Come on now young one.
Source?
Here
Reading through the article it appears that the group that carried out the most assassination was the Brigado Rosso, or Red Brigades. Interestingly, they also killed a prominent politician of the Christian Democrats, Aldo Moro, who was actively looking into working with the communist party, and his assassination killed his party’s plans to work with the Communist Party.
The CIA appears to have been involved only marginally, being mentioned only only at one point where fascists ask them if the USA would theoretically support a coup. (Technically they’re also mentioned in the list of parties involved in the conflict, as alleged supporters of the fascists). While this doesn’t prove that they weren’t involved, I did expect there to be more proven CIA meddling based on your earlier claims.
It appears that the CIA wasn’t to blame for the leftist’s. In fact, it seems like the Marxist-Leninist Red Brigades killed people until they had no allies left, thus being unable to sustain their campaign of assassinations. So, yeah, basically your source completely undermines your position.
I want you to know. That handlers might not pull the bullets. But they control the messaging from Langley. Just like Che’s death. It wasn’t an American killing them. But they were in the room when they were killed.
No but that there are no leftists in Italy because of it. Or do you believe the CIA is killing all the leftist in Italy right now?
As opposed to a rare grandpa?
An S-tier grandpa
When I’m dictator, any country that does something like this will be carpet bombed.
I will vote for you!
So for now we don’t actually know the charges or if the trial will procede, but yeah definitely not fair.
Yeah, he only showed what the police gave him (they are investigating him for promoting copyright infringement).
The officials have access to the devices, they consumed the illegal content and then documented their findings. This is considered a review and the officials should be charged under the copyright law.
Almost like illegally obtaining evidence