I believe that’s correct. And as others have pointed out this is likely an anti-scalping measure which changes my view on it.
I do however hope they will keep a good stock of them. Having to be a subscriber is annoying enough but even when I was one I was never able to be quick enough when N64 ones went back in stock.
The Nintendo GameCube (GCN) Controller – Nintendo Classics will be exclusively available for Nintendo Switch Online members and will initially only be offered to those invited to pre-order a Nintendo Switch 2 console
Does this suggest I can buy it later or am I going to have to pay scalper price if I want it?
I think you’ll always need NSO sub if buying directly from Nintendo, but pre-order rule only seems to be because of scalpers, so that only those who can actually use it, buy it.
It’s ironic considering their early days in gaming. They were targeted by Universal over a BS lawsuit for using “Kong” in Donkey Kong and him being a gorilla like King Kong.
Now they’re pulling the same crap on smaller people/businesses and also working with the very company who did the lawsuit to bring their games to the movies.
I mean there’s nothing inherently wrong with that (if only they charged last-gen prices as well lol)
but anyways here’s a bunch more shit they’ve done:
charging full price for basic rereleases
removing reviews from the switch eshop
killing emulation projects
patenting basic gameplay elements
sued a man so hard he was forced to pay them part of his income for the rest of his life
and for a few older ones, just to show that they’ve been shitty this whole time, actually:
attempting to kill game cheating devices (like the game genie)
attempting to kill video game rentals
preventing 3rd parties from releasing games on competitor’s consoles, essentially giving themselves a monopoly
(also they’re partly owned by the saudi government, so, there’s that)
(and pls remember that, despite all of their shit, nintendo is far from the worst. it’s a systemic problem, not an individualist one. remember that ubisoft covered up sexual assault for years and that microsoft is literally engaging in genocide. the problem is that capitalism lets these companies get away with it.)
They are the only real family oriented console AFAIK. At least on PC, there isn’t a huge emphasis on local coop. This makes a steam deck a harder sell to people just looking for the casual family games. Nintendo on the other hand is committed to releasing games like this with every generation, and they don’t seem big on games with a restrictive age rating. I’m sure that wins points with parents.
I’d love to tell families that they should just buy a steam deck, but I don’t know if it’s the right choice TBH.
unless you stumble on a brick, fall down and accidentally install a rp2040 on the switch, then accidentally flash picofly when trying to understand what’s going on
I mean, it’s Nintendo - if there was a way to somehow automatically charge your card every time you say, hear or think the words “Nintendo”, “Mario” and such, they’d do it without hesitation…
At least it gives people who are using their switches a chance to buy one, instead of them selling out in seconds to a network of bot accounts before winding up on eBay for $300+ the following week.
It’s not the perfect system, but I can understand why they are doing it.
I don’t need it to play Smash with friends on the couch.
Really I shouldn’t need the subscription for GC ports either. What’s wrong with making them individual purchases like on the 3DS? (Answer: that’s not monthly recurring revenue.)
Nintendo opting to forgo selling retro games piecemeal and instead expecting consumers to rent access to them in perpetuity is an anti-consumer move.
I have no problem paying for games when they’re sold at affordable, reasonable prices, so until that’s the case for Nintendo’s library, better to just emulate as much of it as possible.
Sure, but that’s a different issue; I agree with that. Don’t forget that if you even are allowed to ‘buy’ them, they will close the online service for that platform in the future with no guarantee you can use it on another platform.
I mean, there’s plenty of reasons to not like Nintendo, but this whole thing is because the GameCube coming to their Online subscription. So I mean… it makes sense.
They must enter a unique switch serial number (that corresponds with inventory) to make the purchase? Don’t see why it has to be contigent on a subscription.
That would work if serial numbers weren’t visible without even opening the box the device came in, and I’m they are even included on the receipt for the device. Scalpers would absolutely have a ton of serial numbers just lying around from unsold devices, or even devices they sold and just hope the owner of won’t bother attempting a purchase of the thing they are scalping.
Lemmy on Nintendo: “Why should I pay for online play?! It needs to be free, moderated, and exist indefinitely even after the obsolescence of the product. Otherwise, I’m entirely justified in pirating everything.”
Does it make sense? Emulation is going to happen one way or another. If Nintendo sold a GC controller that is PC compatible, they’d at least make some money from those buyers.
It will. But for the first run you don’t want people buying the console and paying for the switch GameCube access to have to ability to buy a GC controller. It’s like how for sports teams season ticket holders usually get some first access to buy playoff tickets.
Or search on Etsy for a refurbished controller and just use an adapter to connect it to PC. Though many sellers only sell Phob GCC. It’s a modded GC controller with a custom motherboard. It uses Hall Effect sensors so the sticks will never ever experience drift. It’s expensive though. Like here is a fancy one for $325 https://sagecustomcontrollers.com/products/phob-gcc
Yes, Nintendo! Please paywall my nostalgia of the very first game console I ever played! Charge me an exorbitant price during an economic crisis to satisfy my childlike need to regress to a time before I understood what money was!
Really? I have the Wii U ones and they put up with a lot of abuse. The rubber on some sticks have completely deteriorated but they still input accurately.
It’s honestly what’s made me so bitter about the Joy Cons.
I’m intrigued to see if the new switch, with its higher price tag, lasts any longer or if it’s gimped to make consumers keep buying replacements again.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
Welcome to the largest gaming community on Lemmy! Discussion for all kinds of games. Video games, tabletop games, card games etc.
Rules
1. Submissions have to be related to games
Video games, tabletop, or otherwise. Posts not related to games will be deleted.
This community is focused on games, of all kinds. Any news item or discussion should be related to gaming in some way.
2. No bigotry or harassment, be civil
No bigotry, hardline stance. Try not to get too heated when entering into a discussion or debate.
We are here to talk and discuss about one of our passions, not fight or be exposed to hate. Posts or responses that are hateful will be deleted to keep the atmosphere good. If repeatedly violated, not only will the comment be deleted but a ban will be handed out as well. We judge each case individually.
3. No excessive self-promotion
Try to keep it to 10% self-promotion / 90% other stuff in your post history.
This is to prevent people from posting for the sole purpose of promoting their own website or social media account.
4. Stay on-topic; no memes, funny videos, giveaways, reposts, or low-effort posts
This community is mostly for discussion and news. Remember to search for the thing you’re submitting before posting to see if it’s already been posted.
We want to keep the quality of posts high. Therefore, memes, funny videos, low-effort posts and reposts are not allowed. We prohibit giveaways because we cannot be sure that the person holding the giveaway will actually do what they promise.
5. Mark Spoilers and NSFW
Make sure to mark your stuff or it may be removed.
No one wants to be spoiled. Therefore, always mark spoilers. Similarly mark NSFW, in case anyone is browsing in a public space or at work.
6. No linking to piracy
Don’t share it here, there are other places to find it. Discussion of piracy is fine.
We don’t want us moderators or the admins of lemmy.world to get in trouble for linking to piracy. Therefore, any link to piracy will be removed. Discussion of it is of course allowed.
Gross.
Bullshit. They are doing that to cause a fever of pre-orders in the US despite the tariffs. Within a year, they will be on shelves.
Nintendo pulls Switch 2 pre-orders in US over Trump tariffs
Edit: also, these will never be on shelves. They will be a membership exclusive online order regardless, even after the preorder-only window.
Yeah, I saw that, but I read it as they were not doing them on the same date to do a wait-and-see with the Cheeto-faced shitgibbons tariffs.
I believe that’s correct. And as others have pointed out this is likely an anti-scalping measure which changes my view on it.
I do however hope they will keep a good stock of them. Having to be a subscriber is annoying enough but even when I was one I was never able to be quick enough when N64 ones went back in stock.
Or they will be worth their weight in gold like GameCube Component cables
sure i’ll only buy my contollers for nintendo consoles from 8bitdo from now on. good idea, nintendo.
Does this suggest I can buy it later or am I going to have to pay scalper price if I want it?
I think you’ll always need NSO sub if buying directly from Nintendo, but pre-order rule only seems to be because of scalpers, so that only those who can actually use it, buy it.
I think you can buy it later. They still sell all the NES, SNES and N64 controllers on their website.
Remember, Nintendo tried to sue a grocery store in Costa Rica. Maybe don’t support them.
Remember Nintendo… please feel free to list the hundred other crappy things they did here.
It’s ironic considering their early days in gaming. They were targeted by Universal over a BS lawsuit for using “Kong” in Donkey Kong and him being a gorilla like King Kong.
Now they’re pulling the same crap on smaller people/businesses and also working with the very company who did the lawsuit to bring their games to the movies.
I mean there’s nothing inherently wrong with that (if only they charged last-gen prices as well lol)
but anyways here’s a bunch more shit they’ve done:
and for a few older ones, just to show that they’ve been shitty this whole time, actually:
(also they’re partly owned by the saudi government, so, there’s that)
(and pls remember that, despite all of their shit, nintendo is far from the worst. it’s a systemic problem, not an individualist one. remember that ubisoft covered up sexual assault for years and that microsoft is literally engaging in genocide. the problem is that capitalism lets these companies get away with it.)
I wouldn’t go as far a stating that it’s mainly a systemic problem. Individual choices also matter to some degree.
K. I’ll just wait for the 8bitdo clone.
I’ve been waiting years for 8bitdo the make a fully functional clone and they haven’t yet.
The closest they’ve come is a retrofit electronics kit for the OG shell last year.
I wonder if the Mayflash GC adapter would work.
Nintendo is just dedicated to shooting themselves in the foot as hard as possible with this launch aren’t they?
deleted by creator
They are the only real family oriented console AFAIK. At least on PC, there isn’t a huge emphasis on local coop. This makes a steam deck a harder sell to people just looking for the casual family games. Nintendo on the other hand is committed to releasing games like this with every generation, and they don’t seem big on games with a restrictive age rating. I’m sure that wins points with parents.
I’d love to tell families that they should just buy a steam deck, but I don’t know if it’s the right choice TBH.
You’re totally right
Initially. Still annoying but title is misleading.
I need a fucking online subscription to buy a controller???
That’s been standard for the switch retro controller releases. And yes it’s been bullshit the entire time. I would have liked an N64 one.
But you don’t have the sub (cheap when sharing a family pack) so you can’t play the N64 games anyway.
How I can’t play N64 games without a subscription? 🏴☠️
Because you need it to play them on Switch.
unless you stumble on a brick, fall down and accidentally install a rp2040 on the switch, then accidentally flash picofly when trying to understand what’s going on
Yes, it’s the same for their other classic controllers.
I mean, it’s Nintendo - if there was a way to somehow automatically charge your card every time you say, hear or think the words “Nintendo”, “Mario” and such, they’d do it without hesitation…
At least it gives people who are using their switches a chance to buy one, instead of them selling out in seconds to a network of bot accounts before winding up on eBay for $300+ the following week.
It’s not the perfect system, but I can understand why they are doing it.
I am using my Switch just fine without an online subscription. I guess Nintendo thinks I am using it wrong.
Right, but he sub is shareable and a pretty cheap barrier for entry… and required to play those GameCube games anyway.
I don’t need it to play Smash with friends on the couch.
Really I shouldn’t need the subscription for GC ports either. What’s wrong with making them individual purchases like on the 3DS? (Answer: that’s not monthly recurring revenue.)
Nintendo opting to forgo selling retro games piecemeal and instead expecting consumers to rent access to them in perpetuity is an anti-consumer move.
I have no problem paying for games when they’re sold at affordable, reasonable prices, so until that’s the case for Nintendo’s library, better to just emulate as much of it as possible.
Sure, but that’s a different issue; I agree with that. Don’t forget that if you even are allowed to ‘buy’ them, they will close the online service for that platform in the future with no guarantee you can use it on another platform.
I mean, there’s plenty of reasons to not like Nintendo, but this whole thing is because the GameCube coming to their Online subscription. So I mean… it makes sense.
Can you think of a better way to keep it mostly out of the hands of scalpers?
Make enough of them that scalping isn’t profitable.
That’s a fine solution long term I guess, but things take time to be made.
They must enter a unique switch serial number (that corresponds with inventory) to make the purchase? Don’t see why it has to be contigent on a subscription.
That would work if serial numbers weren’t visible without even opening the box the device came in, and I’m they are even included on the receipt for the device. Scalpers would absolutely have a ton of serial numbers just lying around from unsold devices, or even devices they sold and just hope the owner of won’t bother attempting a purchase of the thing they are scalping.
Put the onus on the retailer to limit how many units a single customer can purchase. Why would Nintendo give a single fuck about scalpers, anyway?
A controller that is useful only when you have that online subscription to play the back catalogue, yes.
The new switch has a whole button that doesn’t work without a paid online subscription 🤪
Lemmy 24/7: “if its free, you’re the product”
Lemmy on Nintendo: “Why should I pay for online play?! It needs to be free, moderated, and exist indefinitely even after the obsolescence of the product. Otherwise, I’m entirely justified in pirating everything.”
Well that got me all worked up for no reason, didn’t it.
Thanks for the clarification.
COME ON, OP!
Lol yeah. It makes sense. You don’t want your peripheral for the console to sell out to buyers that just want to use it for emulation.
Does it make sense? Emulation is going to happen one way or another. If Nintendo sold a GC controller that is PC compatible, they’d at least make some money from those buyers.
It will. But for the first run you don’t want people buying the console and paying for the switch GameCube access to have to ability to buy a GC controller. It’s like how for sports teams season ticket holders usually get some first access to buy playoff tickets.
But… I want it for emulation… Any good reliable 3rd party out there?
PowerA did a good wireless one that also had a second Z button on the other side
NYXI Wizard maybe
Or search on Etsy for a refurbished controller and just use an adapter to connect it to PC. Though many sellers only sell Phob GCC. It’s a modded GC controller with a custom motherboard. It uses Hall Effect sensors so the sticks will never ever experience drift. It’s expensive though. Like here is a fancy one for $325 https://sagecustomcontrollers.com/products/phob-gcc
deleted by creator
I always used wave birds back in the day.
It’s just the first batch, calm down…
Yes, Nintendo! Please paywall my nostalgia of the very first game console I ever played! Charge me an exorbitant price during an economic crisis to satisfy my childlike need to regress to a time before I understood what money was!
I guess they don’t want your money if you’re not buying the switch. Strange move, but I guess it’s their prerogative to alienate more consumers.
or if you can’t afford it when you get the console.
I have the version that was made for the OG Switch and the build quality is garbage tier. Developed stick drift in both sticks in less than a month.
Really? I have the Wii U ones and they put up with a lot of abuse. The rubber on some sticks have completely deteriorated but they still input accurately.
It’s honestly what’s made me so bitter about the Joy Cons.
Totally, my white Wii U one turned to SNES-Yellow overnight lol First the bottom half, just overnight, then two weeks later the top half.
Still going strong after 4500 hours of smashing
I’m intrigued to see if the new switch, with its higher price tag, lasts any longer or if it’s gimped to make consumers keep buying replacements again.
I bought the one they released for the Wii U and it only worked for Smash
Lol gimps trying to squeeze as much profit as they can get from the people