I hope the Frame is as cheap or cheaper than a Meta Quest 3. It’s almost identical in the specs, but goes back to monochrome external cameras instead of full color. But also has eye tracking which the Q3 does not. I want eye tracking so fucking bad… I set up cameras for it before I was like “Hold up… They can’t see my eyes with the headset on 😬” lol
Some important differences in the specs. It’s not the same SoC, should have like 20-30% more GPU power, then there’s their whole wireless streaming system (comes with the dongle). Could potentially do something better for audio but it certainly cannot be Index quality in that regard.
At the end of the day Meta does still do the console thing of subsidizing the headset with the software and Valve doesn’t always do that so how close or far it lands in price is going to depend on that too.
steam deck is still incredibly good for what you get. i have on of the original ones with a 64 gb ssd and although i have some hangups with that i just put in a 1.5 terabyte sd card and it runs almost everything i throw at it. just discovered the other night it can do vr very poorly with a beta steam client and beta steam vr while streaming to my quest 3s with steam link. we really live in a new era.
I could have had one and didn’t get it because I never really go anywhere other than work. But boy did I regret it when I was at BLFC recently. My hotel roommates all had one and were playing Helldivers and Rocket League every night 😩
I could have brought my Quest… But I don’t have anything for the stand alone system; all my VR games are on Steam.
You have to remember, the price isn’t only due to the hardware.
We often still think of “hardware” as if it’s some tool we actually own like a wrench or a hammer that we can freely use how we like, and the price of it should depend only on the cost of manufacture.
But in the modern world, the electronic hardware we buy is subsidised through gated ecosystems, and by profiting from slurping data and selling ads.
The reality is that Meta hardware is priced aggressively low to encourage adoption - on the basis of all the money they expect to make later from your data. Same with smart TVs and everything else with a similar business model.
Valve’s hardware will seem expensive, but that’s just the price you have to pay in the modern world for some small amount of control and privacy.
I posted this in the other thread, but wanna share here too:
Most interesting thing to me is the Frame apparently runs a Snapdragon 8 Gen 3, and is using SteamOS, implying official ARM support for SteamOS, Steam and Proton!
Could mean steam and proton coming to android too.
I think you must be thinking of some other Jeff Geerling. The one I’m talking about is probably the #1 guy on Youtube for content about ARM stuff, and AFAIK isn’t a homophobe.
Your comment doesn’t make any sense because, even if you were talking about the right person and your accusation were accurate, why would you know some obscure thing about him while being unaware of the thing he’s famous for?
Going back roughly a decade you can find blog posts and some bits on Twitter. I don’t see anything outright gay-bashing but his moral worldview, when he speaks on the matter, seems to be shaped by his Catholic faith. I don’t think he hates homosexuals, and I can’t guess at how his beliefs effect others (who for, or how, he votes and such), but he certainly seems to have a moral opposition and hasn’t since stated otherwise that I am aware.
If you need a smoking gun, here’s a quote from Twitter around 2017. Context is that this apparently stemmed from the removal of developer Larry “Crell” Garfield over “Gorean” (?) beliefs or participation in that subculture. Relating to some BDSM, male-domination, female slaves “Gor” novel series, that I cannot be assed to dig deeper into, and concerns he’d carry the “misogyny” into into the workplace. Anyway:
The Drupal community is treading perilous waters right now. Risk of excluding more members than just Crell. Careful with moral equivalence!
It’s a heck of a lot more nuanced than that. But basically, if the criteria for being part of the Drupal community anymore is “Must both publicly and privately support Gay marriage, etc.” then… I think I might be excluded.
As an atheist looking in, I find Abrahamic faiths fundamentally incompatible with homosexuality. Having a gay Christian marriage, for example, is an absurdity to me. To be clear I’m not personally opposed to it. I find very much wrong with his faith but I don’t believe Jeff is wrong about his faith. But kudos and power to whoever wants to lie to themselves and retcon Christianity in order to believe (what I perceive to be) a bigger, more comforting lie. If we can keep eroding at it maybe we’ll finally get over the hatred and hangups it causes, or at least no longer be able to point to it as a justifying source.
Well, that’s unfortunate re: Jeff, but it’s still weird to me that the other commenter would be aware of that about him (which you mention having to dig through a decade of blog posts and old tweets to find), without at some point also finding out that he’s ‘the Raspberry Pi guy.’
It’s like knowing that Hitler was a vegetarian but somehow not knowing that he was the dictator of Germany who started WWII – it just doesn’t make sense for a fact to be that isolated from its context.
I know Jeff does raspi stuff. I know about his colostomy. I’ve used one or two of his scripts and took some Home Assistant motivation from him. I liked his gentle sounding voice and mannerisms until I learned he’s a religious freak.
A bit odd I suppose, but he’s also “The ansible guy” and a solid “proxmox/truenas” guy. It’s not unlikely they could’ve become aware of him looking for information on automation or virtualization. That’s actually how I first came across his content. The Pi and other hardware reviews are okay but I care more about the how-to’s and what I’m actually running on my toys over the toys themselves.
Anyway, I didn’t dig real deep but I’m not ready to nail him to a cross. I’ve met Christians who “don’t approve” of whatever while simultaneously acknowledging someone else doesn’t need their approval in the first place to be who they are. That it isn’t their place to thrust their moral beliefs upon others. Not to say I don’t still find their worldview problematic either, and their level headedness is being drowned out by Christofascist rhetoric as of late, but time is still sanding the edges off their faith and it remains light-years ahead of other parts of the world.
I’m pretty sure there are genetic dispositions towards different kinds of sexual behaviors and patterns—just as there are genetic dispositions towards such things as alcoholism, racism, elitism, etc. A genetic predisposition towards homosexuality does not make homosexuality a ‘good’ or a ‘right,’ or even ‘okay’ for some people. Just as with every other human behavior, a wider worldview must be used to judge the righteousness of a human action or behavior—including acting on homosexual tendencies.
That whole article reads like he was a reasonably intelligent person who was born into a christian family. So he’s been conditioned to automatically see homosexuality as bad, and been educated in writing eloquent arguments to support his position, but he’s just aware enough to not take a stand and actually say what he thinks because that would get him in trouble.
Even just considering your snippet:
I’m pretty sure there are genetic dispositions towards different kinds of sexual behaviors and patterns—just as there are genetic dispositions towards such things as alcoholism, racism, elitism, etc.
This is just an opinion and the logic seems sensible. But why make the comparison to only negative traits and vices?
A genetic predisposition towards homosexuality does not make homosexuality a ‘good’ or a ‘right,’ or even ‘okay’ for some people.
Stating the obvious then referring to 3rd party opinions. Doesn’t seem to do much other than keep up the negative tone.
Just as with every other human behavior, a wider worldview must be used to judge the righteousness of a human action or behavior—including acting on homosexual tendencies.
Whoa, I agree! And using my view of the world and society at large I hereby judge that we need to lay the fuck off of people who act on their homosexual tendencies and focus on actual problems! I wonder if the author can say the same.
Also, I just want to point out and give a “fuck that” to the heavy focus on “choosing” and “acting” rather than simply existing. In my experience that is a very common step in the short process of dehumanizing somebody and mentally writing off their concerns and rights.
Dehumanizing somebody for a trait they were born with is obviously doable, but it is still a tougher sell for some people than dehumanizing a person for an intentional act. Even if that act didn’t hurt anybody or anything.
I’ll leave the whole train of thought of “how can you punish people for acting like the thing they were born as” as an exercise for the reader.
As homophobic as this indeed is, it’s also from 2011. As a pansexual trans woman, I’m pretty sure I might have sais some very transphobic/homophobic stuff in 2011 as well, thankfully I was not posting it online.
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, but I respect that you may not be inclined to do that. I have possibly too much faith in humanity.
But also, let me say this : acting on your homosexual tendencies is pretty damn righteous 😎
It is fascinating and a huge step, but I want to keep expectations low. It will work, but it will not be as compatible as x86 Proton, not at all. It is first and primarily an OS for streaming games and running VR. That is the VR rendering from the streaming computer, not the VR game itself. In other words, they only had to get exactly one app to run well enough for public use. According to the developer, it is working with a surprising amount of games. I agree, one game is surprising, but trust me when I say you will not be running Windows x86 games in ARM Linux for a long time.
I think that for running games locally on the Frame, for anything other than games designed specifically to be gentle on a battery — and many games are not, unfortunately — you’re also really going to need to leave it plugged into a powerbank. The internal battery just isn’t that large relative to what the device can draw.
The battery included on the Steam Frame is a 21 Wh model. The Snapdragon system-on-chip gobbles up around 20 W at full power—that’s how much it’ll likely use while playing a game locally in standalone mode. From this, we can expect around an hour of playtime without additional charge.
The company also showed off the x86 version of Hades 2 running standalone (as in not streaming from a PC) on the Steam Frame. And the game ran just fine and looked good at what Valve reps told me was 1400p in a window inside the headset
Steam/Proton on android would be quite something, I would finally be able to play something decent on my phone that wasn’t originally released for the PS2
I’m still a little curious how that will work for games. Are they going to somehow emulate Win32 amd64 games? Do devs have to recompile them in some new way? Will engines support it beyond Unity and Unreal?
It was mentioned in the LTT coverage. Aside from native ARM games they have a translation layer(FEX) to play x86 games on ARM. They’ll have a “Verified” tag like the Steam Deck for compatibility. I assume you’ll still be able to force trying to run unverified games.
Edit: FEX is not a Valve thing, but an existing open source x86/x86_64 emulator that Valve is using. It’s not clear if they’re forking it or directly contributing though.
The Frame isn’t playing the games on its ARM chip. It’s just streaming audio/visual data from the PC and relaying the controller inputs back to the PC.
That’s the normal mode of operation, but it can apparently also run games locally on thr Frame itself, which I guess gives people a portable — if less powerful — gaming option that they can haul around easily if they want.
Thanks for replying. It made me realize that I had completely misread the post I replied to, thinking they were asking if the Frame ran on Android. I going through a lot of comments quickly yesterday. I’ve edited my post to clarify.
With the fact there’s apparently surprisingly reasonable evidence of a new half life game, I wonder if that’s likely to get announced when they give these a release date. I could see them bundling it with the steam machines at least. Assuming the rumors turn out to be true.
I don’t know if it’ll be VR but the short version is there’s a lot of code in the source 2 updates that directly point to the development of a new half-life game.
Early leaks were pointing to a Alyx sequel, but I think the more recent leaks are pointing to it just being Half Life 3, which would presumably be playable on the Deck. Frame and the new Steam machine.
It could be either given that Alyx ended on a cliffhanger that ties it back to the original series. They’d better come up with something, or else they’re going to have another riot on their hands.
Yet still only four face buttons. I don’t know why every controller manufacturer in existence refuses to bring back 6 button pads, even Valve. Instead they all just copy each others’ designs. Even Nintendo—once known for being innovative—is guilty of this. The Switch/Switch 2 Pro controller is literally just a crappy XBOX controller with crappy digital triggers.
Also I’m not a fan of symmetrical joysticks. The left stick is used way more than the D-Pad, and as such, should be placed where the left thumb naturally lies, instead of the D-Pad. I’ll eventually get used to it but I don’t like it.
You can also map the trackpads (on the Steam Deck at least, so I assume for the controller) to use a menu that you can tie to anything. EmuDeck set up plenty of Profiles that can switch the controls and the prompts on the touchpad radial to show so many options it would make my head spin! Hopefully that can fulfill your needs?
Oh man, the Ouya. That’s a blast from the past. Play mobile games on your TV using a controller made out of cardboard and balsa wood and sized for a Roswell alien. Good times.
These sound absolutely amazing but it all depends on the price.
if the Steam controller is on par with a new 8bitdo then I would definitely pick it up.
The steam machine sounds intriguing but there is already a big market for mini PCs and I don’t know if consumers would go out of their way to buy a steam PC box. I’m most skeptical about this one
Steam Frame looks fantastic but I really hope it’s cheap enough to compete with the Meta Quest 3 and isn’t just another ~$1000 headset for enthusiasts
Folks that would/could do that are not the folks this seems geared towards IMO, and I think it may whoosh a lot of us on Lemmy because in general we like to tinker and figure tech out, that’s obviously not ubiquitous, but the vast majority of people(read consumers) do not want that at all. I also suspect the Steam Machine will be priced right around $500 to compete with the PS5, depending on their sales expectations they could legit make this a loss leader.
More likely geared towards the average PC gamer that just wants to play games and doesn’t give a fuck about OSS or Linux in addition to lifelong console gamers that prefer controllers on couch gaming but are interested in all the other perks/freedoms that PCs offer. I was in the latter group about a year ago when I bought my deck.
depending on their sales expectations they could legit make this a loss leader.
I don’t think they will. The problem is that the hardware is open.
Closed-system console vendors can sell at a loss because if you’ve bought the console and don’t buy games from them for it, you’re going to have limited use of it. It’s maybe an expensive Blu-Ray player or something. Not a sensible purchase. You’re gonna buy games for it.
So they can just crank up the price of games and make their return over time from games.
But if the Steam Machine is sold at a loss, then people will also buy it to use it as a regular mini-PC, and Valve doesn’t make a return from them.
GPU performance, unknown OS compatibility issues, performance profiles for normies.
I love NUC like devices and I already run linux, but i’m confident the steamos implementation will just work on their hardware because they’re building it for it.
If you’re on an AMD GPU and not at least dual booting linux you’re missing out imo. Only a handful of competitive online games need windows for anticheat/drm.
Steam Machine feels more like a console that happens to also be a PC. If reasonably priced, the question is why anyone would want to buy Xbox or PlayStation when Steam Machine has a bigger library than both combined - on launch.
PlayStation is probably going to still have exclusives, or at least timed exclusives, driving some sales. But this announcement may be the final nail in Xbox’s coffin.
Because normies can’t get Fortnite running easily on linux (afaik anyway), or other popular competitive titles like battlefield 6 or call of duty 2025 to run at all.
Most of the normies probably already have a console with some licenses that will carry over. PC gamers have a desktop system (often in addition to a console.) It’s just not the same.
Consoles just work. You don’t need to understand much. The deck has definitely not been a painless process but obviously it’s pretty good, especially if you stick to green checkmark titles. Having to research what games will work, how well they work, and how to make them work if not by default is too much for a lot of people.
I’m glad it’s coming though. More people running linux means better support overall from hardware vendors and software developers. Gaming on linux is in a great place today but it feels more like how gaming was 20 years ago where you sometimes have to look something up to get something working, and installing an OS is simply too much for a lot of people.
The worst part are all the games that have anticheat that totally works fine on linux, but they simply don’t allow it to function in their game. At least there’s a list https://areweanticheatyet.com/
The steam machine sounds intriguing but there is already a big market for mini PCs and I don’t know if consumers would go out of their way to buy a steam PC box. I’m most skeptical about this one
You might not be the target audience. I’m comfortable building an HTPC and putting an OS and all on it and configuring it, but the benefit of a console is that someone just gets an all-in-one setup that works out-of-box. Well, and that game developers are specifically testing against.
Like, if it weren’t a barrier, you’d probably just have everyone using PCs instead of consoles in their living room. Might open the gates to let console-only folks do Steam.
I think the mass market would still rather buy a console, so I assume most people interested in the steam machine specifically want a PC box. Now that I looked at the specs it doesn’t seem that powerful, and I doubt it will be cheaper than a PS5.
Digital Foundry’s analysis of it is that it could retail for somewhere between $400 and $500, but it will be slightly less powerful than a PS5, and therefore, it wouldn’t be as attractive at $500 retail. Valve probably knows that, too.
Linux is a shit show for general purpose normies. You still have issues for days if you don’t buy the correct hardware. This will smooth the experience giving a known good start.
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I hope the Frame is as cheap or cheaper than a Meta Quest 3. It’s almost identical in the specs, but goes back to monochrome external cameras instead of full color. But also has eye tracking which the Q3 does not. I want eye tracking so fucking bad… I set up cameras for it before I was like “Hold up… They can’t see my eyes with the headset on 😬” lol
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Some important differences in the specs. It’s not the same SoC, should have like 20-30% more GPU power, then there’s their whole wireless streaming system (comes with the dongle). Could potentially do something better for audio but it certainly cannot be Index quality in that regard.
At the end of the day Meta does still do the console thing of subsidizing the headset with the software and Valve doesn’t always do that so how close or far it lands in price is going to depend on that too.
The cameras can’t track eyes with the headset on …Unless they make it like the vision pro, where your eyes show up on the headset’s outer screen. ಠᴗಠ
steam deck is still incredibly good for what you get. i have on of the original ones with a 64 gb ssd and although i have some hangups with that i just put in a 1.5 terabyte sd card and it runs almost everything i throw at it. just discovered the other night it can do vr very poorly with a beta steam client and beta steam vr while streaming to my quest 3s with steam link. we really live in a new era.
I could have had one and didn’t get it because I never really go anywhere other than work. But boy did I regret it when I was at BLFC recently. My hotel roommates all had one and were playing Helldivers and Rocket League every night 😩
I could have brought my Quest… But I don’t have anything for the stand alone system; all my VR games are on Steam.
No way it is as cheap as a q3. All valve have said is that they are aiming for < the price of a valve index full kit. https://www.uploadvr.com/valve-steam-frame-hands-on-impressions/
You have to remember, the price isn’t only due to the hardware.
We often still think of “hardware” as if it’s some tool we actually own like a wrench or a hammer that we can freely use how we like, and the price of it should depend only on the cost of manufacture.
But in the modern world, the electronic hardware we buy is subsidised through gated ecosystems, and by profiting from slurping data and selling ads.
The reality is that Meta hardware is priced aggressively low to encourage adoption - on the basis of all the money they expect to make later from your data. Same with smart TVs and everything else with a similar business model.
Valve’s hardware will seem expensive, but that’s just the price you have to pay in the modern world for some small amount of control and privacy.
Personally, I’ll pay it gladly.
Hope this work great, gaming industry really needs that
Glad to have sold my Index this past summer. Prices are gonna plummet once V.2 comes out
I posted this in the other thread, but wanna share here too:
Most interesting thing to me is the Frame apparently runs a Snapdragon 8 Gen 3, and is using SteamOS, implying official ARM support for SteamOS, Steam and Proton! Could mean steam and proton coming to android too.
And the base would be Arch Linux ARM, right? So that should see an uptick in development too.
Arch Linux has been implementing a build system for other architectures. Perhaps they’ll make ARM official by the time Frame comes out.
If I remember correctly Valve paid for this build system specifically for ARM support, so yeah I think that is going to happen.
Jeff Geerling is probably having a fit right now.
what does that homophobic ass have to do with it, is he not a fan of ARM or something?
…wat.
I think you must be thinking of some other Jeff Geerling. The one I’m talking about is probably the #1 guy on Youtube for content about ARM stuff, and AFAIK isn’t a homophobe.
Your comment doesn’t make any sense because, even if you were talking about the right person and your accusation were accurate, why would you know some obscure thing about him while being unaware of the thing he’s famous for?
Going back roughly a decade you can find blog posts and some bits on Twitter. I don’t see anything outright gay-bashing but his moral worldview, when he speaks on the matter, seems to be shaped by his Catholic faith. I don’t think he hates homosexuals, and I can’t guess at how his beliefs effect others (who for, or how, he votes and such), but he certainly seems to have a moral opposition and hasn’t since stated otherwise that I am aware.
If you need a smoking gun, here’s a quote from Twitter around 2017. Context is that this apparently stemmed from the removal of developer Larry “Crell” Garfield over “Gorean” (?) beliefs or participation in that subculture. Relating to some BDSM, male-domination, female slaves “Gor” novel series, that I cannot be assed to dig deeper into, and concerns he’d carry the “misogyny” into into the workplace. Anyway:
As an atheist looking in, I find Abrahamic faiths fundamentally incompatible with homosexuality. Having a gay Christian marriage, for example, is an absurdity to me. To be clear I’m not personally opposed to it. I find very much wrong with his faith but I don’t believe Jeff is wrong about his faith. But kudos and power to whoever wants to lie to themselves and retcon Christianity in order to believe (what I perceive to be) a bigger, more comforting lie. If we can keep eroding at it maybe we’ll finally get over the hatred and hangups it causes, or at least no longer be able to point to it as a justifying source.
Well, that’s unfortunate re: Jeff, but it’s still weird to me that the other commenter would be aware of that about him (which you mention having to dig through a decade of blog posts and old tweets to find), without at some point also finding out that he’s ‘the Raspberry Pi guy.’
It’s like knowing that Hitler was a vegetarian but somehow not knowing that he was the dictator of Germany who started WWII – it just doesn’t make sense for a fact to be that isolated from its context.
I know Jeff does raspi stuff. I know about his colostomy. I’ve used one or two of his scripts and took some Home Assistant motivation from him. I liked his gentle sounding voice and mannerisms until I learned he’s a religious freak.
Then why’d you ask if he’s not a fan of ARM? Were you unaware that Raspberry Pis use ARM CPUs?
I’m not trying to defend the guy or dispute you, BTW; I’m just still confused about why you’d say that.
A bit odd I suppose, but he’s also “The ansible guy” and a solid “proxmox/truenas” guy. It’s not unlikely they could’ve become aware of him looking for information on automation or virtualization. That’s actually how I first came across his content. The Pi and other hardware reviews are okay but I care more about the how-to’s and what I’m actually running on my toys over the toys themselves.
Anyway, I didn’t dig real deep but I’m not ready to nail him to a cross. I’ve met Christians who “don’t approve” of whatever while simultaneously acknowledging someone else doesn’t need their approval in the first place to be who they are. That it isn’t their place to thrust their moral beliefs upon others. Not to say I don’t still find their worldview problematic either, and their level headedness is being drowned out by Christofascist rhetoric as of late, but time is still sanding the edges off their faith and it remains light-years ahead of other parts of the world.
No, I know exactly who I’m talking about.
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2011/exodus-app-–-pulled-app-store
That whole article reads like he was a reasonably intelligent person who was born into a christian family. So he’s been conditioned to automatically see homosexuality as bad, and been educated in writing eloquent arguments to support his position, but he’s just aware enough to not take a stand and actually say what he thinks because that would get him in trouble.
Even just considering your snippet:
This is just an opinion and the logic seems sensible. But why make the comparison to only negative traits and vices?
Stating the obvious then referring to 3rd party opinions. Doesn’t seem to do much other than keep up the negative tone.
Whoa, I agree! And using my view of the world and society at large I hereby judge that we need to lay the fuck off of people who act on their homosexual tendencies and focus on actual problems! I wonder if the author can say the same.
Also, I just want to point out and give a “fuck that” to the heavy focus on “choosing” and “acting” rather than simply existing. In my experience that is a very common step in the short process of dehumanizing somebody and mentally writing off their concerns and rights.
Dehumanizing somebody for a trait they were born with is obviously doable, but it is still a tougher sell for some people than dehumanizing a person for an intentional act. Even if that act didn’t hurt anybody or anything.
I’ll leave the whole train of thought of “how can you punish people for acting like the thing they were born as” as an exercise for the reader.
As homophobic as this indeed is, it’s also from 2011. As a pansexual trans woman, I’m pretty sure I might have sais some very transphobic/homophobic stuff in 2011 as well, thankfully I was not posting it online.
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, but I respect that you may not be inclined to do that. I have possibly too much faith in humanity.
But also, let me say this : acting on your homosexual tendencies is pretty damn righteous 😎
I love acting on my homosexual tendencies!!
Oh shit he’s homophobic?
Yes
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It is fascinating and a huge step, but I want to keep expectations low. It will work, but it will not be as compatible as x86 Proton, not at all. It is first and primarily an OS for streaming games and running VR. That is the VR rendering from the streaming computer, not the VR game itself. In other words, they only had to get exactly one app to run well enough for public use. According to the developer, it is working with a surprising amount of games. I agree, one game is surprising, but trust me when I say you will not be running Windows x86 games in ARM Linux for a long time.
I think that for running games locally on the Frame, for anything other than games designed specifically to be gentle on a battery — and many games are not, unfortunately — you’re also really going to need to leave it plugged into a powerbank. The internal battery just isn’t that large relative to what the device can draw.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/vr-hardware/steam-frame-specs-availability/
I want backpack sized battery banks.
You could probably put a 400 Wh powerbank in a backpack (search for “power station” on Amazon).
Attach a decent rumble pack and you have total immersion in your military/adventurer game!
It’s using an x86 compatibility layer, pex i think it was called. So apparently you will be running windows x86 games on it.
Edit: fex! https://github.com/FEX-Emu/FEX
Edit 2, from tom’s hardware article:
Wonder how long it could run standalone on decent fps.
That is nice, but Hades II is hardly my idea of a hard benchmark to clear. Looks like a fun game, though !
Steam/Proton on android would be quite something, I would finally be able to play something decent on my phone that wasn’t originally released for the PS2
I’m still a little curious how that will work for games. Are they going to somehow emulate Win32 amd64 games? Do devs have to recompile them in some new way? Will engines support it beyond Unity and Unreal?
Yup, FEX to translate x86 to ARM.
It was mentioned in the LTT coverage. Aside from native ARM games they have a translation layer(FEX) to play x86 games on ARM. They’ll have a “Verified” tag like the Steam Deck for compatibility. I assume you’ll still be able to force trying to run unverified games.
Edit: FEX is not a Valve thing, but an existing open source x86/x86_64 emulator that Valve is using. It’s not clear if they’re forking it or directly contributing though.
That same video says that “Valve has heavily contributed to FEX”
Well, that shows how well I was paying attention to the video
The Frame isn’t playing the games on its ARM chip. It’s just streaming audio/visual data from the PC and relaying the controller inputs back to the PC.
That’s the normal mode of operation, but it can apparently also run games locally on thr Frame itself, which I guess gives people a portable — if less powerful — gaming option that they can haul around easily if they want.
Hm, guess I missed that part, my bad.
Oh my god, my wallet is in trouble haha
Better start saving now!
Saving what?
Oh SNAP
The frame being a standalone linux headset is huge, hopefully this does to vr what the deck did to pancake.
(I know vr works on linux already but it’s a pain)
NOled :(
These were the prices of the first generation: (Wikipedia Steam Machine US$400–$600; Steam Controller $49.99
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2026 will be the year of Linux Desktop!
Linux… facetop?
The quest runs on a variant of Android correct? Like everything else that isn’t desktop, Linux is already the industry stander in facetop computing 😎
Not Android, it’s straight up Linux, I believe Arch-Based like the Deck is and the Machine will be, but on ARM.
Edit: I completely misread the post I replied to, thinking they were asking if the Frame ran on Android.
No. The Quest runs Android.
Thanks for replying. It made me realize that I had completely misread the post I replied to, thinking they were asking if the Frame ran on Android. I going through a lot of comments quickly yesterday. I’ve edited my post to clarify.
Linux! It’s in your FACE!!!
I hope they release an official Steam OS for desktop. Maybe a little Nvidia support.
The controller is exactly what I wanted. Take a Steam Deck, cut out the middle, glue the grips back together. Take my money.
Steam Dk
ouch!
And even then there’s some nice QOL features like capacitive strips on the grips.
With the fact there’s apparently surprisingly reasonable evidence of a new half life game, I wonder if that’s likely to get announced when they give these a release date. I could see them bundling it with the steam machines at least. Assuming the rumors turn out to be true.
Uhhhhhhh saywhanow?? Where you seein these rumors?! They reputable??!?
Dont play with my heart! 😭 I would DIE for a new Half Life VR - Alyx was FUCKING incredible!!!
I don’t know if it’ll be VR but the short version is there’s a lot of code in the source 2 updates that directly point to the development of a new half-life game.
I’ve been under the impression that it is very likely to be a sequel to Alyx. Possibly a launch title for the Frame.
But I don’t think any of the rumors expected a new Steam Machine. We thought it was gonna be a new Deck.
Early leaks were pointing to a Alyx sequel, but I think the more recent leaks are pointing to it just being Half Life 3, which would presumably be playable on the Deck. Frame and the new Steam machine.
It could be either given that Alyx ended on a cliffhanger that ties it back to the original series. They’d better come up with something, or else they’re going to have another riot on their hands.
Indiegames cube!
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That controller makes me swoon.
Swoon worthy indeed. So many features.
Yet still only four face buttons. I don’t know why every controller manufacturer in existence refuses to bring back 6 button pads, even Valve. Instead they all just copy each others’ designs. Even Nintendo—once known for being innovative—is guilty of this. The Switch/Switch 2 Pro controller is literally just a crappy XBOX controller with crappy digital triggers.
Also I’m not a fan of symmetrical joysticks. The left stick is used way more than the D-Pad, and as such, should be placed where the left thumb naturally lies, instead of the D-Pad. I’ll eventually get used to it but I don’t like it.
You can also map the trackpads (on the Steam Deck at least, so I assume for the controller) to use a menu that you can tie to anything. EmuDeck set up plenty of Profiles that can switch the controls and the prompts on the touchpad radial to show so many options it would make my head spin! Hopefully that can fulfill your needs?
With all the inputs on the front of the controller and 4 on the back you have plenty of options.
I think it says that pressure triggers can be mapped as buttons too.
Plz fucking give us the clear option
I had a horrible flashback to the Ouija, that thing traumatized me
Oh man, the Ouya. That’s a blast from the past. Play mobile games on your TV using a controller made out of cardboard and balsa wood and sized for a Roswell alien. Good times.
These sound absolutely amazing but it all depends on the price.
if the Steam controller is on par with a new 8bitdo then I would definitely pick it up.
The steam machine sounds intriguing but there is already a big market for mini PCs and I don’t know if consumers would go out of their way to buy a steam PC box. I’m most skeptical about this one
Steam Frame looks fantastic but I really hope it’s cheap enough to compete with the Meta Quest 3 and isn’t just another ~$1000 headset for enthusiasts
There could never be a better test for the hypothesis than this critical moment where people are fucking pissed at Microsoft.
people can still just buy a $500 mini PC and install Linux on it
The overwhelming majority of consumers will never install an OS on a system.
They will only ever use the OS that came pre-installed.
Folks that would/could do that are not the folks this seems geared towards IMO, and I think it may whoosh a lot of us on Lemmy because in general we like to tinker and figure tech out, that’s obviously not ubiquitous, but the vast majority of people(read consumers) do not want that at all. I also suspect the Steam Machine will be priced right around $500 to compete with the PS5, depending on their sales expectations they could legit make this a loss leader.
More likely geared towards the average PC gamer that just wants to play games and doesn’t give a fuck about OSS or Linux in addition to lifelong console gamers that prefer controllers on couch gaming but are interested in all the other perks/freedoms that PCs offer. I was in the latter group about a year ago when I bought my deck.
I don’t think they will. The problem is that the hardware is open.
Closed-system console vendors can sell at a loss because if you’ve bought the console and don’t buy games from them for it, you’re going to have limited use of it. It’s maybe an expensive Blu-Ray player or something. Not a sensible purchase. You’re gonna buy games for it.
So they can just crank up the price of games and make their return over time from games.
But if the Steam Machine is sold at a loss, then people will also buy it to use it as a regular mini-PC, and Valve doesn’t make a return from them.
GPU performance, unknown OS compatibility issues, performance profiles for normies.
I love NUC like devices and I already run linux, but i’m confident the steamos implementation will just work on their hardware because they’re building it for it.
If you’re on an AMD GPU and not at least dual booting linux you’re missing out imo. Only a handful of competitive online games need windows for anticheat/drm.
Even with my Nvidia GPU (didn’t know I’d be moving over to Linux when I got it), Linux is still the better option for me, a gamer. Windoze blows!
The part where they have to install the OS itself is going to be a major deal breaker for mass market.
If the performance and price is comparable to rolling your own mini-ITX rig then why not?
Steam Machine feels more like a console that happens to also be a PC. If reasonably priced, the question is why anyone would want to buy Xbox or PlayStation when Steam Machine has a bigger library than both combined - on launch.
PlayStation is probably going to still have exclusives, or at least timed exclusives, driving some sales. But this announcement may be the final nail in Xbox’s coffin.
Because normies can’t get Fortnite running easily on linux (afaik anyway), or other popular competitive titles like battlefield 6 or call of duty 2025 to run at all.
Most of the normies probably already have a console with some licenses that will carry over. PC gamers have a desktop system (often in addition to a console.) It’s just not the same.
Consoles just work. You don’t need to understand much. The deck has definitely not been a painless process but obviously it’s pretty good, especially if you stick to green checkmark titles. Having to research what games will work, how well they work, and how to make them work if not by default is too much for a lot of people.
I’m glad it’s coming though. More people running linux means better support overall from hardware vendors and software developers. Gaming on linux is in a great place today but it feels more like how gaming was 20 years ago where you sometimes have to look something up to get something working, and installing an OS is simply too much for a lot of people.
That’s right. I forgot there are ”normie games” with kernel anti cheat
The dream is that these “niche” hardware starts to gain momentum and these dumb anti cheat kernel start to disappear… Like I said, a dream.
The worst part are all the games that have anticheat that totally works fine on linux, but they simply don’t allow it to function in their game. At least there’s a list https://areweanticheatyet.com/
You might not be the target audience. I’m comfortable building an HTPC and putting an OS and all on it and configuring it, but the benefit of a console is that someone just gets an all-in-one setup that works out-of-box. Well, and that game developers are specifically testing against.
Like, if it weren’t a barrier, you’d probably just have everyone using PCs instead of consoles in their living room. Might open the gates to let console-only folks do Steam.
I think the mass market would still rather buy a console, so I assume most people interested in the steam machine specifically want a PC box. Now that I looked at the specs it doesn’t seem that powerful, and I doubt it will be cheaper than a PS5.
Digital Foundry’s analysis of it is that it could retail for somewhere between $400 and $500, but it will be slightly less powerful than a PS5, and therefore, it wouldn’t be as attractive at $500 retail. Valve probably knows that, too.
Linux is a shit show for general purpose normies. You still have issues for days if you don’t buy the correct hardware. This will smooth the experience giving a known good start.