My understanding is that’s deliberate. The Wacowskis were done with The Matrix, the original trilogy (+ Animatrix) was the complete package. But the powers that be demanded more to milk the franchise, and when the Wacowskis tried to push back, the higher-ups said they would do it with or without them. So the Wacowskis are deliberately sabotaging the sequels, and good on em.
The fourth movie was written by one of the Wachowskis as a metaphor for their own transition, as a creative outlet during a grieving period after the death of their parents.
I did. Its cynicism about making another Matrix movie is well-noted and some of the most fascinating things about that movie, but it’s also a protagonist swap between Neo and Trinity, which makes a ton of sense for the trans metaphor. It can be cynical about the realities of making the movie and still not be sabotage. And also it was only written by one of the two Wachowskis.
As I recall them saying, they felt that way maybe in retrospect? They hadn’t transitioned in real life by then, so that’s getting pretty subconscious at that point. At the time, the metaphors that were clear were about dreams, the savior allegory, a sense of not mattering as a cog in the machine, and so forth.
A media franchise, also known as a multimedia franchise, is a collection of related media in which several derivative works have been produced from an original creative work of fiction, such as a film, a work of literature, a television program, or a video game. Bob Iger, chief executive of the Walt Disney Company, defined the word franchise as “something that creates value across multiple businesses and across multiple territories over a long period of time.”[1]
Smith: Now what? Things have changed. The market’s tough. I’m sure you can understand why our beloved parent company, Warner Brothers, has decided to make a sequel to the trilogy.
Neo: What?
Smith: They informed me they’re gonna to do it with or without us.
Neo: I thought they couldn’t do that?
Smith: Oh, they can, and they made it clear they would kill our contract if we didn’t cooperate.
The film itself explained pretty well why it exists and why it was how it was.
Just to provide context for those who didn’t watch Resurrections:
Neo is back in The Matrix as Thomas Anderson and is actually a video game developer and his claim to fame game is The Matrix. His business partner shows a lot of signs of being Smith “reborn”. They kind of lampshade that the people who own the rights to their game were going to make another one regardless of whether the creators were involved so it is up to them to either step aside or make the best of it.
Honestly? Resurrection has grown on me a lot, in large part because the credits sequence of all things recontextualizes the entire movie.
spoiler
Basically, the first act of the movie is (re-)awakening Neo so all the marketing makes it feel like a reboot of 1. Except then it takes a pretty big shift as we find out that everyone who fought in the original wars is old and retired, if not dead. And The Machines want Zion to return as a power source except a faction of The Machines believed in Neo and fought, leading to basically the premise of the MMO where there are two big factions. One wants to return and the other wants to stay free. And a key part of The Matrix is that it requires a Neo and Trinity to provide just the right amount of rebellion (which is more power) but to torment them so that they can’t ever move on and have a happy ending.
And the rest of the movie is basically The Kids rescuing Trinity and Neo and Trinity both having The One powers. Culminating in basically a repeat of the ending of 1 where they challenge The Machines and fly off into the distance. All while a fucking ska cover of Rage’s Wake Up plays.
And… that is kind of what made me really like the movie even if I really fucking disliked watching it? Because… we (GenX/Millennials) fought our fight and… what did we accomplish? The world is a shitty place that gets shittier by the moment (exponentially in 2025…). We choose to go back to our cages because we are too afraid of the world outside of it and our lack of comforts. And that is what the movie was about. Humanity escaped The Matrix because of Neo… and Humanity went back in because the outside world is scary. And Neo and Trinity are going to have to fight our war again and maybe we’ll care this time but we probably won’t. Rage Against The Machine should have been the anthem of a generation and it mostly was ignored or loved by the machine de la Rocha et al were raging against.
And… that is also the thing that gets too real. Because we have a generation that were inspired by what we did. But… what fucking kid even cares enough about Rage to want ska covers? Much like… what kids actually care enough about The Matrix to want a sequel? The sequel is still for the crowd that largely didn’t learn the message of the originals.
So yeah. I don’t LIKE Resurrections but I also kind of love that it exists? Even if… it existing makes me depressed?
I think that’s a pretty great summary. When it comes to unnecessary/years later sequels most are just garbage. I think Matrix 4 is still bad, but I have to give it credit for trying something interesting. It doesn’t work ultimately, but it tried something.
Resurrections was basically a parody of the original trilogy, along with the politics going on in the background of producing Resurrections. The Wachowskies didn’t want to do it at all, but ended up taking the reigns because WB would have made it without them, so they used the opportunity to basically shit all over WB and Hollywood and capitalism in general.
In that regard, it’s an awesome movie. If you expect more of the same kind of stuff from the originals, you will likely be disappointed.
Fishburne was very diplomatic when asked for his opinion on the finished Matrix 4: “it was better than I expected, but not as good as I had hoped”.
Hugo weaving, the actor for Smith, didn’t appear in the film due to alleged scheduling conflicts, but I suspect he took a look at the script and noped out of it.
This has to be it. I watched the RLM video where they say the same thing, then I watched the movie for myself and in the first five minutes of dialog when the new Smith says “our bosses at Warner Brothers” and I was just like “ooookay”
Didn’t he not even want to do Infinity War and Endgame, which were actually solid stories? I have a feeling he wants no part of The Matrix at this point.
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No worries, Fishburne. I doubt anyone in the general public will return for a Matrix 5 either.
They really are trying to milk everything out of that franchise and doing a terrible job at doing so.
My understanding is that’s deliberate. The Wacowskis were done with The Matrix, the original trilogy (+ Animatrix) was the complete package. But the powers that be demanded more to milk the franchise, and when the Wacowskis tried to push back, the higher-ups said they would do it with or without them. So the Wacowskis are deliberately sabotaging the sequels, and good on em.
The fourth movie was written by one of the Wachowskis as a metaphor for their own transition, as a creative outlet during a grieving period after the death of their parents.
Did you watch the movie? It’s not a metaphor, it flatly states it’s just a money grab.
I did. Its cynicism about making another Matrix movie is well-noted and some of the most fascinating things about that movie, but it’s also a protagonist swap between Neo and Trinity, which makes a ton of sense for the trans metaphor. It can be cynical about the realities of making the movie and still not be sabotage. And also it was only written by one of the two Wachowskis.
I thought the original trilogy was supposed to be the metaphor for transitioning.
At least that’s what the Wachowskis themselves and the Internet say.
As I recall them saying, they felt that way maybe in retrospect? They hadn’t transitioned in real life by then, so that’s getting pretty subconscious at that point. At the time, the metaphors that were clear were about dreams, the savior allegory, a sense of not mattering as a cog in the machine, and so forth.
I think modern society and technology may have played a role, too.
I’m still not sure why this is in the games community.
I guess he canonically dies in a videogame, which is a reason they might not bring him back
Because in videogame Deus Ex was better ha (and Max Payne)
Franchise?
Correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix_(franchise)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_franchise
Wow, thank you for the definition of the word franchise, I had no idea /s
> asks question as if they don’t know what it means
> gets a frank response with definition
>
It was a joke, because everything after the first movie might as well not exist. Apparently it wasn’t received.
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Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.
I’m still definitely gonna watch it. It’ll be bad, but I’m gonna watch it.
Not like in the theater for money. After it’s floating out on the high seas.
But even if it’s bad it’s still a nostalgia trip back to something that was undeniably amazing.
I saw matrix 4 twice and liked it. Sue me. Fight me lol
I would too. That’s how i watched the 4th movie.
I was obviously taking about in the theatre.
In general, people aren’t returning to the theater for much of anything anymore.
I like to boil my porogies, just till they float, then saute them to add some structure to the dough.
Is this a metaphor I do not understand? Seems like you might have accidentally posted in the wrong community if not.
You’re done today soldier, go home. Spot on!
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OG cast or bust!!
The film itself explained pretty well why it exists and why it was how it was.
I honestly can’t tell if you’re trolling or not…
Is that seriously in the new one?
I copied that directly from imdb quotes section.
I knew resurrections wasn’t going to be a very serious movie, but it caught me off guard when they just went and spelled this out in front of me.
Jfc. That’s so sad. Fuck you WB. For this and many other reasons.
It may have been the best part of the movie too
Sure made it more memorable
I’ve watched it. It is, though it also makes more sense in the context of the film’s plot.
Just to provide context for those who didn’t watch Resurrections:
Neo is back in The Matrix as Thomas Anderson and is actually a video game developer and his claim to fame game is The Matrix. His business partner shows a lot of signs of being Smith “reborn”. They kind of lampshade that the people who own the rights to their game were going to make another one regardless of whether the creators were involved so it is up to them to either step aside or make the best of it.
Honestly? Resurrection has grown on me a lot, in large part because the credits sequence of all things recontextualizes the entire movie.
spoiler
Basically, the first act of the movie is (re-)awakening Neo so all the marketing makes it feel like a reboot of 1. Except then it takes a pretty big shift as we find out that everyone who fought in the original wars is old and retired, if not dead. And The Machines want Zion to return as a power source except a faction of The Machines believed in Neo and fought, leading to basically the premise of the MMO where there are two big factions. One wants to return and the other wants to stay free. And a key part of The Matrix is that it requires a Neo and Trinity to provide just the right amount of rebellion (which is more power) but to torment them so that they can’t ever move on and have a happy ending.
And the rest of the movie is basically The Kids rescuing Trinity and Neo and Trinity both having The One powers. Culminating in basically a repeat of the ending of 1 where they challenge The Machines and fly off into the distance. All while a fucking ska cover of Rage’s Wake Up plays.
And… that is kind of what made me really like the movie even if I really fucking disliked watching it? Because… we (GenX/Millennials) fought our fight and… what did we accomplish? The world is a shitty place that gets shittier by the moment (exponentially in 2025…). We choose to go back to our cages because we are too afraid of the world outside of it and our lack of comforts. And that is what the movie was about. Humanity escaped The Matrix because of Neo… and Humanity went back in because the outside world is scary. And Neo and Trinity are going to have to fight our war again and maybe we’ll care this time but we probably won’t. Rage Against The Machine should have been the anthem of a generation and it mostly was ignored or loved by the machine de la Rocha et al were raging against.
And… that is also the thing that gets too real. Because we have a generation that were inspired by what we did. But… what fucking kid even cares enough about Rage to want ska covers? Much like… what kids actually care enough about The Matrix to want a sequel? The sequel is still for the crowd that largely didn’t learn the message of the originals.
So yeah. I don’t LIKE Resurrections but I also kind of love that it exists? Even if… it existing makes me depressed?
I think that’s a pretty great summary. When it comes to unnecessary/years later sequels most are just garbage. I think Matrix 4 is still bad, but I have to give it credit for trying something interesting. It doesn’t work ultimately, but it tried something.
Resurrections was basically a parody of the original trilogy, along with the politics going on in the background of producing Resurrections. The Wachowskies didn’t want to do it at all, but ended up taking the reigns because WB would have made it without them, so they used the opportunity to basically shit all over WB and Hollywood and capitalism in general.
In that regard, it’s an awesome movie. If you expect more of the same kind of stuff from the originals, you will likely be disappointed.
Fishburne was very diplomatic when asked for his opinion on the finished Matrix 4: “it was better than I expected, but not as good as I had hoped”.
Hugo weaving, the actor for Smith, didn’t appear in the film due to alleged scheduling conflicts, but I suspect he took a look at the script and noped out of it.
It’s a shame, it could’ve been good.
No way Lana Wachowski didn’t fucking tank Matrix 4 on purpose. It’s even in the fucking dialog it couldn’t be more clear
This has to be it. I watched the RLM video where they say the same thing, then I watched the movie for myself and in the first five minutes of dialog when the new Smith says “our bosses at Warner Brothers” and I was just like “ooookay”
Didn’t he not even want to do Infinity War and Endgame, which were actually solid stories? I have a feeling he wants no part of The Matrix at this point.
So he was expecting a major shitshow and was positively surprised that it was just a bit of smelly poop?
That’s actually crazy to me. There must be some untold personal reason.
I assume it was because the story involved everyone around Trinity and Neo being different/recast.
Wait a second, what do you mean “Matrix 5”?
Don’t we have enough of those already? Are they going after the “Saw” record or what?
That’s ok. The movie will be terrible no matter who plays the role.
Matrix resurrections was nothing without morpheus and smith
I felt like Matrix Resurrections was kind of a circle jerk against itself.
Boss: “Mr. Anderson. We want you to write a game for this old franchise”
Neo: “but it’s dead. Why don’t we make something new, and exciting.”
Boss: “💵”
The latest one was so very bad. As were the two before. Give it up, guys.