To some extent I can understand since they’re expecting a certain ROI on the console which would include American sales, and therefore if American sales drop because of tariffs they need another way to make up that lost revenue.
That being said I feel like it would be a mistake to make that up by increasing the price of the console for other markets too. In my opinion if American sales drop then they should pivot their focus to other markets until American leadership stabilizes, i.e. stops being an active detriment to the American economy and all the international companies involved in it. Which likely won’t happen until trump/his administration is out of office.
With innocent people being illegally abducted and wrongfully deported to El Salvador, I am astounded that there is so much concern about the Nintendo Switch 2. Seriously people!! Where are the priorities? WTF?!
Like it or not (I do not), the most important determining factor in American elections is people’s feelings about the economy. The horrors being done by our government are easy to turn a blind eye to. But the cost of living is something that can’t be avoided or suppressed.
My understanding is this has been the price of thousands of gaming communities enacting a “No politics” rule - people want to keep it external.
“This fucking piece of actual trash! He’s using the most broken character this game has ever put out, and trash talking over it like he’s ever fucked a woman. Literally eat a dick. What do you think, chat?…Oh. Holy shit. Sorry, I just saw some stuff about Trump, listen, I’m sorry, but we don’t talk politics here. It can get really toxic.”
If they tried to spread the cost amongst everyone no one would buy the switch is already borderline unreasonably expensive. Limiting the price increase to only the tariffed country means they’ll only lose out on the American market not the everyone else in the world market, which is bigger.
The steam deck is a portable computer the switch can only play switch games. Those games are hugely expensive, and the price is controlled by nintendo who infamously never decrease their game prices even after 10 years.
Seriously I just explained why they don’t have a choice, and you’re like, nah they’re still going to do it, even though I literally explained why that can’t happen. Did you even read my comment?
If the tariff is too great the cost becomes unspreadable. Spreading cost requires other regions to still afford the new price, and with numbers like this that’s unlikely.
About one-third of Switches were sold in the US. Spreading a 145% tariff means hiking everyone’s prices by 40-50%. That will murder sales in other regions.
Better to eat a 30% temporary loss that adds pressure on Trump to reverse-course than to eat an even higher loss and face backlash worldwide for making others pay for Trumps idiocy.
To add to this: I’m in a region where the base Switch 2 price is already very unaffordable when you compare it with our wages and cost of living. And then you throw in the games… which Nintendo conveniently left out prices of for us (they did list the bundle though, so I’m extrapolating from that). But Nintendo won’t care since we’re already a very small market. But if they did that in more markets to the point of being unaffordable in most places? Sales would crash. There’s a reason they have a cheap region locked variant for the Japanese market.
I wasn’t going to get one even if it was £20, but how? Trump set the tariffs. Obviously it’s going to cost a shitload more if there is a 145% tariff in the US.
Yeah I didn’t wanna pay that for a PS5. And the PS5 GPU alone is likely 5 times more power then what’s rumored to be in the switch 2… no way I’m paying that for a switch.
Probably gamers put him in office in the first place. Steve Bannon capitalized on Gamergate and started latching on to it to recruit young white male gamers to the far right. Then these GamerGate proponents became manosphere followers.
This article about a gaming console was posted in a gaming community and you’re complaining that the term “gamers” is being used too much? Which term would you prefer, game enthusiasts?
I don’t even want to imagine what is going to be the price for it here in Brazil. After the ps4 launched for nearly $2000 I haven’t even looked at any console retail prices here again.
The company has a price for the product, importers import the product at that price (sometimes the importer will also be the manufacturer, but that doesn’t actually make a difference as far as the calculation is concerned), then some official shows up and demands an import tariff, the important pays the tariff.
The shelf price is calculated as the total cost to the importer + a profit margin + sales tax. The tariff just gets lumped into the cost for the importer. Sales tax doesn’t make a distinction about how the price is arrived at.
Yes, technically correct and I am not disputing your points.
But, we all know the cost of the tariff the local importer will need to pay the local government will be passed on to local consumers.
My distinction and argument is if the government said “we will increase taxes on all products at your local grocery store by 145℅” people would flip. But when the wording become we will tariff “other countries” people forget who actually pays that tariff.
Sony: we‘ll make it a little more expensive for everyone else, so no one feels left out
Let me fix that for you:
Sony: We‘ll make it a little more expensive for everyone else so our US sales don’t sink harder than a brick in a pond.
Companies really don’t care about people feeling left out. Company’s fear loss of sales. And that Trumps senseless antics by proxy of Sony make the PlayStation more expensive in my end of the world low key aggravates me, even if it’s only 50 bucks.
Sony: we’ll let the whole world pay astronomical amounts of money because it makes us rich! And if someone calls us on it, we’ll say it’s all because of the US!
I’m sorry to hear about your situation - I’m in a somewhat similar financial position myself - but people are people, and in any income bracket there are things to be concerned about.
For you and me, it’s getting enough money to eat. For someone else, it is affording a Switch. For others, it’s the rise in the price of caviar forcing them into cheaper options.
Interestingly enough, all of this causes a significant amount of stress, and should you eventually get more money to spare, then after a brief euphoria you’ll have the same worries about Switch prices and other things you don’t seem to care about now.
In any case, I wish you all the best and hope you’ll find your way out of a situation. Hope your spouse gets the surgery and becomes able to work, you have your teeth, and everyone lives a bit happier going forward.
This is an odd place to put this complaint. You clicked on a post about the Switch. Make a post about struggling with money and the discussion should focus on that instead.
And there are those who have it even harder than YOU. Everyone’s station in life is different. They are allowed to experience that.
If they are being insensitive to your concerns, then maybe they are not a good friend, but it sounds like you’re the one insensitive to their concerns. You can both have different concerns.
Also this is literally a Switch post in a gaming community amd you self selected this complaint in here. It’s telling.
And there are those who have it even harder than YOU. Everyone’s station in life is different. They are allowed to experience that.
I’ve never understand the logic of the people who espouse that line of thinking. Is only the one single person alive who has it the literal worst out of all the billions of living human beings allowed to feel bad, and everyone else is obliged to look at them and say “well it could technically be worse so I guess I’m not allowed to feel bad”?
I think you’re taking the meaning too far. It’s not that someone in a bad position is not allowed to feel bad. Rather, you have to consider the context in each case. A friend could be having a hard time, and even if your situation is technically worse, that doesn’t invalidate theirs. Because if you are willing to invalidate your friend’s difficulties, by that same token you could say your own are invalidated by those in an even worse position than yours.
Essentially I’m saying that everyone’s life is different and their worries are valid. Yes, perhaps it can be a touch tone-deaf for one person in a privileged position to complain about something relatively trivial. But for someone to assert that their situation is infinitely more important, and that their friend shouldn’t be allowed to complain about their own experiences… it reeks of envy and narcissism.
And if you go to Ukraine, Gaza, Sudan, Congo, people are worried about losing limbs, life and actual stage 1 Maslow survival. They probably envy your problems right now. They keep focused on shit that actually matters, like not dying.
Yeah, people care about different things related to their circumstances. That’s life.
I think the takeaway is “The Nintendo Switch 2 isn’t the thing you should be pissed about when these tariffs are going to cause a lot more problems for way more people.”
I get it and yeah, it does sound like you have other things to worry about. Not everyone does though. Most people who are hurt by the pricing of a video game console are probably in a better position where their more basic needs are already met.
Noone is disagreeing with your concerns. They are disagreeing with your selfrighteous stance that your problems are the most important.
Using a switch gaming thread for self pity is some major narcissism red flag.
Then why are you getting angry while checking this sub and this post? Seems like you’re also getting worked up over it.
I’m sorry you’re in a bad situation, I get it, I’m also not in a situation where I could even buy the switch 2 even if I wanted to. But this is a big deal, the USA have fucked themselves up in the ass so hard that people outside of it might get hit with it. The price of the switch 2 is just one of the tips of this iceberg, the price of the PS5 is another, but in a short while the same thing will start to happen to lots of electronics, including hospital ones, which could increase the price for everyone depending on how this plays out.
Unfortunately for the rest of us the US is a BIG extremely consumer market, and if they get taken off the picture the profit margin decreases and prices need to hike to keep up.
Tangential but was at the hospital for an Endo appointment with my son and chuckled in our waiting room “I bet there’s an old white guy in a suit right now going ‘but what if we made these waiting rooms smaller?’”
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On Americans only? Right? 😟
I would assume so, yea. They had stopped pre-orders in the US only when the tariffs were announced.
In future history books: “…But the biggest exodus from the United States was after it was announced the Switch 2 would cost $1000 exclusively there.”
The price was going to be $499. A 145% tariff makes the price $1222.55. A 100% tariff would double the price and this is more than 100%.
Looks like pretty steep inflation fueled by tariffs. I wonder how the Denies Reality Party (DeRPs) will spin it.
its nintendo, im sure they’re going to find some way to raise the price for everyone else too
I mean, yeah, Sony just did it with its ps5
When it was impossible to get the PS5 for the first year(s) I just gave up. I have a PS4 and not only is it good enough for me, I hardly play it.
To some extent I can understand since they’re expecting a certain ROI on the console which would include American sales, and therefore if American sales drop because of tariffs they need another way to make up that lost revenue.
That being said I feel like it would be a mistake to make that up by increasing the price of the console for other markets too. In my opinion if American sales drop then they should pivot their focus to other markets until American leadership stabilizes, i.e. stops being an active detriment to the American economy and all the international companies involved in it. Which likely won’t happen until trump/his administration is out of office.
Haven’t they already announced the price?
Yes, I could Pre-Order it right now for 469€, tax included.
With innocent people being illegally abducted and wrongfully deported to El Salvador, I am astounded that there is so much concern about the Nintendo Switch 2. Seriously people!! Where are the priorities? WTF?!
Like it or not (I do not), the most important determining factor in American elections is people’s feelings about the economy. The horrors being done by our government are easy to turn a blind eye to. But the cost of living is something that can’t be avoided or suppressed.
Economic ruin is how we beat these motherfuckers.
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My understanding is this has been the price of thousands of gaming communities enacting a “No politics” rule - people want to keep it external.
“This fucking piece of actual trash! He’s using the most broken character this game has ever put out, and trash talking over it like he’s ever fucked a woman. Literally eat a dick. What do you think, chat?…Oh. Holy shit. Sorry, I just saw some stuff about Trump, listen, I’m sorry, but we don’t talk politics here. It can get really toxic.”
You think gamers care about that 💀
“But that only effects those people… What about me!?”
Some non-zero percent of people think the trafficking is fake news. Harder to disbelieve a cost you pay yourself.
Others might think it’s normal deportation of undesirables. Harder to ignore something that affects you and yours.
If the past few years have taught me ANYTHING, at least half the “gamers” are cheering the deportations on, so uh, yeah, anyway…
How does people being wrongfully deported to El Salvador relate to a gaming community?
You’ll find that out when they come deport you.
Truly proof that gamers are the most oppressed people, its so joever /s
Only 4.125% of the world population is affected. No biggy.
Delusional. They are going to spread that cost over everyone
If they tried to spread the cost amongst everyone no one would buy the switch is already borderline unreasonably expensive. Limiting the price increase to only the tariffed country means they’ll only lose out on the American market not the everyone else in the world market, which is bigger.
But why expensive? It’s 30$ more than the steam deck and has much more power
It’s not more powerful than the steam deck.
The steam deck is a portable computer the switch can only play switch games. Those games are hugely expensive, and the price is controlled by nintendo who infamously never decrease their game prices even after 10 years.
And just give up America entirely? Nah
But I repeat myself.
Seriously I just explained why they don’t have a choice, and you’re like, nah they’re still going to do it, even though I literally explained why that can’t happen. Did you even read my comment?
Oh, a random lemmygoer explained it? I guess there’s no opening for discussion then.
It’s not about discussion. There isn’t two opinions here there is the fact they’re not doing that and me explaining why they’re not doing that.
If the tariff is too great the cost becomes unspreadable. Spreading cost requires other regions to still afford the new price, and with numbers like this that’s unlikely.
About one-third of Switches were sold in the US. Spreading a 145% tariff means hiking everyone’s prices by 40-50%. That will murder sales in other regions.
Better to eat a 30% temporary loss that adds pressure on Trump to reverse-course than to eat an even higher loss and face backlash worldwide for making others pay for Trumps idiocy.
To add to this: I’m in a region where the base Switch 2 price is already very unaffordable when you compare it with our wages and cost of living. And then you throw in the games… which Nintendo conveniently left out prices of for us (they did list the bundle though, so I’m extrapolating from that). But Nintendo won’t care since we’re already a very small market. But if they did that in more markets to the point of being unaffordable in most places? Sales would crash. There’s a reason they have a cheap region locked variant for the Japanese market.
I’m going to save so much money by not going to the US to buy one of those… I wonder what I’ll do with all that wealth.
These tariffs shouldn’t be 145% of the retail price, they should be 145% of the wholesale price.
Well you see…
“never let a good tragedy go to waste”
If Nintendo sues the Trump admin I’d have to finally side with Nintendo on a lawsuit.
i didn’t think I’ll ever see those sequence of words
That’s fine. Nintendo was already planning to impose the Nintendo tax. So I imposed the “I ain’t buyin’ this shit tax”.
I wasn’t going to get one even if it was £20, but how? Trump set the tariffs. Obviously it’s going to cost a shitload more if there is a 145% tariff in the US.
Wondering how this is going to play out. A Switch for $600+ is borderline insane.
Yeah I didn’t wanna pay that for a PS5. And the PS5 GPU alone is likely 5 times more power then what’s rumored to be in the switch 2… no way I’m paying that for a switch.
Hopefully gamers get together and protest Trump out of office for artificially bumping up the costs of goods.
Tarrifs = Tax
A tax that working people pay, in the country that set the tarriff.
Out of all the people it’s gamers that will put trump out of office.
I love your optimism, I wish I could share it.
Ya? While sitting on your ass? Doubt.
Probably gamers put him in office in the first place. Steve Bannon capitalized on Gamergate and started latching on to it to recruit young white male gamers to the far right. Then these GamerGate proponents became manosphere followers.
You say that but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if gamers as a demographic are more liberal than average.
Guys, the word „gamers” was used too much in this comment thread. Stop.
This article about a gaming console was posted in a gaming community and you’re complaining that the term “gamers” is being used too much? Which term would you prefer, game enthusiasts?
I think gamers are more reactionary than average. Gamers gave us Gamergate which eventually gave us Trump.
Maybe the general gaming public but probably not among capital G Gamers™ who are the loud minority on the internet.
They already crossed the border!
They will just put the games at 100 each, not including DLC
I don’t even want to imagine what is going to be the price for it here in Brazil. After the ps4 launched for nearly $2000 I haven’t even looked at any console retail prices here again.
145% of 450 is 652, you add those together and it’s essentially 1100$. And that’s before tax at the register in the US.
Its insane that a tax is also charged on top of the already applied tariff.
Technically it isn’t.
The company has a price for the product, importers import the product at that price (sometimes the importer will also be the manufacturer, but that doesn’t actually make a difference as far as the calculation is concerned), then some official shows up and demands an import tariff, the important pays the tariff.
The shelf price is calculated as the total cost to the importer + a profit margin + sales tax. The tariff just gets lumped into the cost for the importer. Sales tax doesn’t make a distinction about how the price is arrived at.
Yes, technically correct and I am not disputing your points.
But, we all know the cost of the tariff the local importer will need to pay the local government will be passed on to local consumers.
My distinction and argument is if the government said “we will increase taxes on all products at your local grocery store by 145℅” people would flip. But when the wording become we will tariff “other countries” people forget who actually pays that tariff.
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Don’t forget to tip the self checkout.
Lol. That 600+ is JUST the extra tax. That’s on top of the base price
Thanks Trump for adding a 145% “tax” on my electronics. How am I supposed to afford anything now!?
Guess I may as well just go protest instead.
Thanks half the voting country too. You got neighbors who asked for this.
Atleast this will radicalize the youth.
Sony: we‘ll make it a little more expensive for everyone else, so no one feels left out <3
Nintendo: t(°-°t)
Let me fix that for you:
Sony: We‘ll make it a little more expensive for everyone else so our US sales don’t sink harder than a brick in a pond.
Companies really don’t care about people feeling left out. Company’s fear loss of sales. And that Trumps senseless antics by proxy of Sony make the PlayStation more expensive in my end of the world low key aggravates me, even if it’s only 50 bucks.
America voted for this, we didn’t.
The saddest part is America didn’t vote for this either. Hell, most Americans didn’t vote at all… Absolutely stupid? Welcome to the US!
What you meant to say was
Sony: we’ll let the whole world pay for the fascist bullshit the US is pulling <3
Let me fix that for you:
Sony: we’ll let the whole world pay astronomical amounts of money because it makes us rich! And if someone calls us on it, we’ll say it’s all because of the US!
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Will be hard with the preorders already out.
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I’m sorry to hear about your situation - I’m in a somewhat similar financial position myself - but people are people, and in any income bracket there are things to be concerned about.
For you and me, it’s getting enough money to eat. For someone else, it is affording a Switch. For others, it’s the rise in the price of caviar forcing them into cheaper options.
Interestingly enough, all of this causes a significant amount of stress, and should you eventually get more money to spare, then after a brief euphoria you’ll have the same worries about Switch prices and other things you don’t seem to care about now.
In any case, I wish you all the best and hope you’ll find your way out of a situation. Hope your spouse gets the surgery and becomes able to work, you have your teeth, and everyone lives a bit happier going forward.
This is an odd place to put this complaint. You clicked on a post about the Switch. Make a post about struggling with money and the discussion should focus on that instead.
And there are those who have it even harder than YOU. Everyone’s station in life is different. They are allowed to experience that.
If they are being insensitive to your concerns, then maybe they are not a good friend, but it sounds like you’re the one insensitive to their concerns. You can both have different concerns.
Also this is literally a Switch post in a gaming community amd you self selected this complaint in here. It’s telling.
I’ve never understand the logic of the people who espouse that line of thinking. Is only the one single person alive who has it the literal worst out of all the billions of living human beings allowed to feel bad, and everyone else is obliged to look at them and say “well it could technically be worse so I guess I’m not allowed to feel bad”?
I think you’re taking the meaning too far. It’s not that someone in a bad position is not allowed to feel bad. Rather, you have to consider the context in each case. A friend could be having a hard time, and even if your situation is technically worse, that doesn’t invalidate theirs. Because if you are willing to invalidate your friend’s difficulties, by that same token you could say your own are invalidated by those in an even worse position than yours.
Essentially I’m saying that everyone’s life is different and their worries are valid. Yes, perhaps it can be a touch tone-deaf for one person in a privileged position to complain about something relatively trivial. But for someone to assert that their situation is infinitely more important, and that their friend shouldn’t be allowed to complain about their own experiences… it reeks of envy and narcissism.
And if you go to Ukraine, Gaza, Sudan, Congo, people are worried about losing limbs, life and actual stage 1 Maslow survival. They probably envy your problems right now. They keep focused on shit that actually matters, like not dying.
Yeah, people care about different things related to their circumstances. That’s life.
I think the takeaway is “The Nintendo Switch 2 isn’t the thing you should be pissed about when these tariffs are going to cause a lot more problems for way more people.”
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I get it and yeah, it does sound like you have other things to worry about. Not everyone does though. Most people who are hurt by the pricing of a video game console are probably in a better position where their more basic needs are already met.
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Noone is disagreeing with your concerns. They are disagreeing with your selfrighteous stance that your problems are the most important.
Using a switch gaming thread for self pity is some major narcissism red flag.
Then why are you getting angry while checking this sub and this post? Seems like you’re also getting worked up over it.
I’m sorry you’re in a bad situation, I get it, I’m also not in a situation where I could even buy the switch 2 even if I wanted to. But this is a big deal, the USA have fucked themselves up in the ass so hard that people outside of it might get hit with it. The price of the switch 2 is just one of the tips of this iceberg, the price of the PS5 is another, but in a short while the same thing will start to happen to lots of electronics, including hospital ones, which could increase the price for everyone depending on how this plays out.
Unfortunately for the rest of us the US is a BIG extremely consumer market, and if they get taken off the picture the profit margin decreases and prices need to hike to keep up.
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I’ll probably be able to play the games on my pc soon enough anyway
Nintendo: “We also had to raise the price of digital games to $200.”
“But tariffs don’t apply to digital games.”
Nintendo: “Ah, yeah. Well, whenever you notice something like that, tariffs did it.”
“But why does the rest of the world have to pay the price, too?”
Nintendo: “TARIFFS!”
You‘re joking about it. I can hear the faint beeping of some LLM waiting to serve this to someone in power.
Tangential but was at the hospital for an Endo appointment with my son and chuckled in our waiting room “I bet there’s an old white guy in a suit right now going ‘but what if we made these waiting rooms smaller?’”
Note. Room was already small.