Haven’t really been following it all - after reading the article I think maybe its because Astro Bot had a larger audience because its generally more accessible?
I think you are right. Its why Fortnite usually wins in categories it is in, because at the end of the day it mostly comes down to a popularity contest.
I mean, I heard people I know in real life discrediting BMW even being nominated because “oh all the Chinese are voting for it.” I was like what, you think Chinese Gamers only count for 3/5ths of a Gamer?? I personally wouldn’t be surprised if this sentiment was shared with at least some of the judges.
I’m not saying BMW should have won, personally I liked it but it wasn’t perfect and I didn’t play Astro Bot. It’s just crazy to me that people are reacting like this over a video game just because it came from China. They’re not acting like that over Marvel Rivals, probably because they don’t know it’s from China yet, lol.
I haven’t played that Astrobot game (I don’t have a PS5) but I am not surprised with it being highly praised honestly.
Astrobot Rescue Mission was awesome, even forgetting about it being VR. It’s very fun and well designed, with new ideas all the way through, up there with Super Mario Galaxy to me. That team definitely knows their stuff.
I’d be ashamed too, losing to astro bot. What I’ve heard from the Platformer community is that while the game is good, it’s very short and lacks in the amount of unique areas (and enemies?) and as such is more or less blitz and glamour. Like, props to sony for producing jump and runs, but still…
I just finished Astro Bot and it is a very good game. However, it is very derivative of Mario to the point where it is very clearly a Mario game, except you are collecting PlayStation member-berries instead of stars or whatever.
I loved it, but I have a hard time justifying it as GotY. IMO it should have gone to Wukong or Balatro.
There are definitely some large chunks. But there have been no signs of any of those outlets caring enough to try to vote as a bloc.
There are definitely a lot of flaws in how the jury is selected and many (most?) of the judges past and present have pointed that out. Stuff like how they are fundamentally not qualified to judge fighting games as fighting games or the mess that is the “simulation and strategy” category or whatever they call “PC games” where people are somehow comparing MS Flight Sim to Farm Simulator to Satisfactory.
But for stuff like the major awards? It is a pretty diverse crowd and there is no indication that any group cares enough to rig the vote beyond group discords where people pester other games media folk because they want to play Helldivers again and their usual crew are busy.
I’ll also add on that, for its many many flaws, the keighleys is pretty good about being aware of this kind of thing based on a few outlets that talked about how they were judges in the past and then suddenly never mentioned it again after an acquisition or the loss of a core editor.
I’ll also add on that, for its many many flaws, the keighleys is pretty good about being aware of this kind of thing based on a few outlets that talked about how they were judges in the past and then suddenly never mentioned it again after an acquisition or the loss of a core editor.
Is that /s?
Because that last sentence really gives me pause for thought…
As the article says, since his comments were run through machine translation, it’s possible they’re meant more in jest rather than seriously. I’ll keep a charitable perspective on this until we learn more.
This is based on a shit article from the shitrag “TheGamer” that calls 500 players downvoting a game a movement. There’s 1,4B people in China, 500 votes don’t even register. TheGamer is a clickbait/ragebait shitrag that weaponises xenophobia/culture wars/ignorace to generate traffic. They are the precise example of the enshitification of the Internet. Veritable parasites.
I got heavily downvoted for pointing out “TheGamer” as a poor source of gaming journalism in a post specifically linking to that article. So I guess that tells me everything I need to know about Lemmy?
Since last night, I’ve seen a lot of strong dissatisfaction and frustration in players’ comments - often expressed humorously or ironically, which made me laugh,"
Jest or not, this one statement is irresponsible because this will only serve to encourage bad and toxic behavior and you know that’s how immature gamers will take it, as condoning their behavior.
No the OP did not. I’m literally saying tone does not matter and even if it was a flippant remark, gamers will take that as approval of their bullshit behavior.
Let’s face it, gamers are all too often immature assholes, Westerner, Easterners, wherever.
Then that would be the gamers’ fault, not the producer’s. They’re not responsible for how their comment may not only be taken out of context but also translated in a disadvantageous way.
One winner and five nominee’s. Let’s not downplay being in the top 6 nominations for “best game of the year” as “losing.” It’s an incredible achievement no matter how you look at it.
How very warm and inviting of you. Im glad there are such welcoming people as you, that are excited to see new studios trying to make good games instead of the same old slop we get from the same old companies.
/s, in case anyone couldn’t tell. What an intolerant comment.
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Chinese translations aren’t always the best in my experience, so hard to tell what’s serious vs what’s said in a joking manner.
My partner has been playing BMWK, and from what I’ve seen it’s an excellent effort for a studio known for mobile games. That being said, there’s noticeably rough edges, so I’m not surprised it didn’t get game of the year (whatever the decision criteria is).
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Haven’t really been following it all - after reading the article I think maybe its because Astro Bot had a larger audience because its generally more accessible?
But its an exclusive, only PS5 players can play it.
I think you are right. Its why Fortnite usually wins in categories it is in, because at the end of the day it mostly comes down to a popularity contest.
I mean, I heard people I know in real life discrediting BMW even being nominated because “oh all the Chinese are voting for it.” I was like what, you think Chinese Gamers only count for 3/5ths of a Gamer?? I personally wouldn’t be surprised if this sentiment was shared with at least some of the judges.
I’m not saying BMW should have won, personally I liked it but it wasn’t perfect and I didn’t play Astro Bot. It’s just crazy to me that people are reacting like this over a video game just because it came from China. They’re not acting like that over Marvel Rivals, probably because they don’t know it’s from China yet, lol.
If they wanted a game with Sun Wukong in it to win at the game awards, they should have nominated Warframe for Best Continuing Game
Black Myth Wukong had one of the highest concurrent player counts of Steam of all time. The game was very popular in China.
Meanwhile Astrobot’s sales figures were lacklustre, according to some reports.
I know a couple of my friends were pumped for it, bought Black Myth Wukong played it for a few days and never touched it again.
They really smashed the marketing for that game.
I haven’t played that Astrobot game (I don’t have a PS5) but I am not surprised with it being highly praised honestly.
Astrobot Rescue Mission was awesome, even forgetting about it being VR. It’s very fun and well designed, with new ideas all the way through, up there with Super Mario Galaxy to me. That team definitely knows their stuff.
BMW looks like a terribly mediocre souls-like, and it’s like 60 bucks on Steam. The hype surrounding it is manufactured AF.
12 souls-like fans absolutely furious
I’d be ashamed too, losing to astro bot. What I’ve heard from the Platformer community is that while the game is good, it’s very short and lacks in the amount of unique areas (and enemies?) and as such is more or less blitz and glamour. Like, props to sony for producing jump and runs, but still…
I just finished Astro Bot and it is a very good game. However, it is very derivative of Mario to the point where it is very clearly a Mario game, except you are collecting PlayStation member-berries instead of stars or whatever.
I loved it, but I have a hard time justifying it as GotY. IMO it should have gone to Wukong or Balatro.
Aren’t the game awards, just a panel of a handful of members. If so, not sure the award means much.
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Thx, aren’t many of those outlets owned by same conglomerate?
They run the gamut from the long-standing outlets like IGN to the Patreon-funded stuff like MinnMax.
There are definitely some large chunks. But there have been no signs of any of those outlets caring enough to try to vote as a bloc.
There are definitely a lot of flaws in how the jury is selected and many (most?) of the judges past and present have pointed that out. Stuff like how they are fundamentally not qualified to judge fighting games as fighting games or the mess that is the “simulation and strategy” category or whatever they call “PC games” where people are somehow comparing MS Flight Sim to Farm Simulator to Satisfactory.
But for stuff like the major awards? It is a pretty diverse crowd and there is no indication that any group cares enough to rig the vote beyond group discords where people pester other games media folk because they want to play Helldivers again and their usual crew are busy.
I’ll also add on that, for its many many flaws, the keighleys is pretty good about being aware of this kind of thing based on a few outlets that talked about how they were judges in the past and then suddenly never mentioned it again after an acquisition or the loss of a core editor.
Is that /s?
Because that last sentence really gives me pause for thought…
No, I don’t think so. Maybe a couple but it’s a pretty wide net. Which ones did you think were?
This game looked nice and was awful to play. There isnt really anything else to say.
lol
As the article says, since his comments were run through machine translation, it’s possible they’re meant more in jest rather than seriously. I’ll keep a charitable perspective on this until we learn more.
i read the original on weibo and he appears to be (to me at least) fully serious. tried to invoke nationalistic pride as well
except we know Chinese people have been review bombing other games because BMW didn’t win. Sure doesn’t seem like a joke to them.
This is based on a shit article from the shitrag “TheGamer” that calls 500 players downvoting a game a movement. There’s 1,4B people in China, 500 votes don’t even register. TheGamer is a clickbait/ragebait shitrag that weaponises xenophobia/culture wars/ignorace to generate traffic. They are the precise example of the enshitification of the Internet. Veritable parasites.
I got heavily downvoted for pointing out “TheGamer” as a poor source of gaming journalism in a post specifically linking to that article. So I guess that tells me everything I need to know about Lemmy?
Jest or not, this one statement is irresponsible because this will only serve to encourage bad and toxic behavior and you know that’s how immature gamers will take it, as condoning their behavior.
The comment you responded to covered all that. It’s possible it’s a translation/tone error. No reason to assume face value given the stakes.
If that ends up being not the case, then ok.
No the OP did not. I’m literally saying tone does not matter and even if it was a flippant remark, gamers will take that as approval of their bullshit behavior.
Let’s face it, gamers are all too often immature assholes, Westerner, Easterners, wherever.
But whatever, people disagree and that’s fine.
Then that would be the gamers’ fault, not the producer’s. They’re not responsible for how their comment may not only be taken out of context but also translated in a disadvantageous way.
That’s how awards work lmao. 5 losers, one winner
One winner and five nominee’s. Let’s not downplay being in the top 6 nominations for “best game of the year” as “losing.” It’s an incredible achievement no matter how you look at it.
Yeah you’re right
Especially for a fresh team that’s amazing.
I was not surprised how well Astro Bot did. It was accessible and well made. Sam Lake nailed it with his little speech.
Man, calling this a snub is a misnomer to begin with.
That’s some top tier Main Character Syndrome.
there’s an easy fix for that, don’t come anymore.
How very warm and inviting of you. Im glad there are such welcoming people as you, that are excited to see new studios trying to make good games instead of the same old slop we get from the same old companies.
/s, in case anyone couldn’t tell. What an intolerant comment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Oh boo hoo, they’re intolerant of a rude person. Get a grip and stop defending this adult tantrum.
Lol.
“Come to Lemmy, we are so tolerant and super chill!”
Yeah, so that was a lie.
You don’t feel you came on a bit strong? Did you actually expect a sensitive and conciliatory response to your comment?
No we’re not, fuck off.
You know the fediverse is huge, you can just move to some place you like more.
(I don’t want to be rude, I’m just telling you because your comment seems to indicate that you had more unpleasant encounters here.)
You are free to leave
No one said that.
Come to Lemmy because we’re a bunch of leftists who won’t hate you for who you were born. We sure as fuck are going to hate you for being an arsehole.
Machine translated comments are here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/1he81dp/game_producer_of_black_myth_wukongs_post_after_tga/
Chinese translations aren’t always the best in my experience, so hard to tell what’s serious vs what’s said in a joking manner.
My partner has been playing BMWK, and from what I’ve seen it’s an excellent effort for a studio known for mobile games. That being said, there’s noticeably rough edges, so I’m not surprised it didn’t get game of the year (whatever the decision criteria is).