We as leftists, must organize in ways that match the fascists. Subversion of their goals is our goal. The class and culture war is in full effect and we must not be complacent.
Won’t the tariffs incentivise domestic production and give work to more regular folks? There’s also less stuff to be hauled around the world so there’s environmental benefits too. Sounds like a leftist idea to me.
If you gave it thirty years and the entire world paused and waited for us, sure,… but, we have a global economy and old people need medications, cars need chips and batteries. We all depend on each other. We can’t charge a toll and pretend everything won’t see any ill effects
If you proposed something else that would uplift lower classes sooner they’d probably vote for it. What Democrats were offering wasn’t credible enough because people have been deceived for too long.
Are you arguing that tariffs and other market restrictions are ineffective at incentivising moving of production sites? I guess that’s why Biden lifted tariffs Trump imposed. Oh wait.
Or are you arguing that container ships full of plastic trash are good for the environment?
I’m sorry you’re right, the Republicans have always wanted to tackle that trash and plastic problem. Trump, of course, cares about that. He’s always talked about how much he wants to stop the production and import of plastic junk and pollution, oh wait…
Politicians lie so I’m mostly interested in outcomes, not the narratives that politicians use to make things happen. Why would I care that something I want and is mostly outside of my control happens for the wrong reasons?
We don’t have infrastructure to produce a lot of the components in the things we buy, and even if we did, it would inherently cost a lot more to produce than in the countries that are about to have tariffs placed on them. That the US ever was a manufacturing powerhouse was, in my understanding, a very “place and time” sort of deal after World War II. Not only were all of our competitors recovering from being bombed, but we also advanced to a services based economy very quickly, raising the standard of living beyond a point that manufacturing jobs can typically afford to support. I’m no economist though; I just watch one on YouTube, and “the middle income trap” is a frequent topic.
Tariffs can serve as a stimuli to build out local manufacturing capacity, which sounds pretty leftist to me. I understand arguments for laissez faire policies but at heart they are liberal and not left. It’s the refusal to accept it that led to far right being as popular as it is.
Anyone promising to return people to previously prosperous economic conditions will be popular, even if people don’t know that the promise can’t possibly be delivered. Coal isn’t coming back either, and there’s no “clean” version of it, but if all you’ve done in your life is coal, you’ll vote for the guy who says he’s bringing coal back.
I’m not here to convince liberals that they should try to care for the poor. I’m here to argue that the jig is up - people are voting for literally anyone, including fascists, that promises to change the course.
That second part is exactly what I just said. Is it caring for the poor to lie to them about economic realities, or to raise the cost on everyday items via tariffs when money is already tight? Again, I’m no expert, but I’d rather vote for promised solutions that I understand to actually work rather than the ones that sound good and don’t work.
Yeah, gamer gate was one of the things that lead to Trump being elected in the first place. Plus the outcry that still happens when BIPOC, LGBT, or women protagonists are used. Hell, just look at any steam discussion board sometime and you’ll see it.
As someone who games, gAmERs are the fucking worst
I kinda missed the gamer gate thing, was distracted by other shit and wasn’t gaming at the time. Am I right in thinking it was some kind of misogynist incel bullshit? Like, girls aren’t allowed to play with the boys’ toys?
But yeah, I’ve seen enough stuff on discussion boards and heard enough anecdotes to see that there’s a lot of bigotry in gaming. The hard right are successfully using it as a recruitment platform for kids. Fuckin appalling, but they are well organised and fascists don’t have to worry so much about sectarianism.
I just don’t get how people can’t see that there’s strength in diversity. Like, in gaming you want a team with different skills, abilities, experiences, and characteristics. It’s the same IRL - a diverse community is a strong community.
It’s a shame. Seeing the bullshit companies have done to games for the sake of profit ought to be a pretty easy on-ramp to anti-capitalism. But just like in the real world, racist shit distracts them from any of that.
Apologies, I’m not on Lemmy very much, nor the gaming community. I’m an American distraught by Trump right now. I’m no communist. Just an impassioned and anxious progressive American. Thank you for telling me.
…make your own. Destroy it and remake it with a new IP once every few months, use headscale or something to make managing it easier.
I am this petty, absolutely.
(Or just get everything now, I mean. You got a month. Sorry if you didn’t buy a few hard drives when Trump got elected. Some of us saw the writing on the wall.)
Oh believe me I have. 2 HDDs and 1 SSD. I’ve also been snatching up DVDs of shows from second hand places since streaming services will become untenable soon
For how much people are worrying about tariffs I’ve lived my entire life with a 66% alcohol tax, 75% electronics tax, 240-380% vehicles tax and recently even saw 150% inflation.
It’s like how back when the Euro or the Pound were worth nearly 2x what the dollar was, a new device or piece of hardware would sell for $399/€399/£399.
‘American gamers must return to buying American for their gaming needs. That’s why I have talked to Microsoft and they will lower their prices considerably. You are welcome, nerds.’ -DT, probably soon
It ain’t gonna cost me shit because I’m spending next to nothing for the foreseeable future apart from necessities, and what little I do spend is gonna be bought as locally as possible. Fuck this country.
Mostly I suppose - but in the example/hypothetical given in the article of Sony moving it’s manufacturing from China to India, it would take 6-24 months minimum to find/develop the space they need and move the equipment. This cost to move all of the equipment half way across the world and the opportunity cost of out of stocks at stores worldwide when your distribution chain finally drys up - the cost was sited at 10%. If they MOVE a facility, I think that cost gets passed on to everybody worldwide.
There may be situations where JUST American production is moved to another country with more favorable tarrifs and worldwide production continues out of the existing facility, and probably in a situation like that, only the American costs would increase to cover the facility/equipmemt costs. But for that to make fiscal sense, this would have to be somehow CHEAPER than the price already elevated by the tarrifs. Companies could even in this case, theoretically hike prices worldwide to subsidize the impact to everybody. More people paying a higher prices mean everybody pays less.
Now, I couldn’t say if there’s any precident for the last line there. Purely hypothetical. But regardless - it’s entirely possible it WON’T be JUST Americans paying higher prices.
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You guys have much bigger problems to worry about right now tbh
Yeah, if the fascist overthrow of democracy only had tariffs to worry about, we’d be doing well.
We as leftists, must organize in ways that match the fascists. Subversion of their goals is our goal. The class and culture war is in full effect and we must not be complacent.
Won’t the tariffs incentivise domestic production and give work to more regular folks? There’s also less stuff to be hauled around the world so there’s environmental benefits too. Sounds like a leftist idea to me.
Half right half wrong, would benefit USA a lot more if they were a developing market, not the center of the modern world
Could be that US rejected modernity because it wasn’t working for them.
If you gave it thirty years and the entire world paused and waited for us, sure,… but, we have a global economy and old people need medications, cars need chips and batteries. We all depend on each other. We can’t charge a toll and pretend everything won’t see any ill effects
If you proposed something else that would uplift lower classes sooner they’d probably vote for it. What Democrats were offering wasn’t credible enough because people have been deceived for too long.
Tell me you don’t know how the world works without telling me you don’t know how the world works.
Are you arguing that tariffs and other market restrictions are ineffective at incentivising moving of production sites? I guess that’s why Biden lifted tariffs Trump imposed. Oh wait.
Or are you arguing that container ships full of plastic trash are good for the environment?
Are you dancing around the fact that multiple industries have indicated they will pass on the cost of the tariffs to consumers?
They will do what’s most profitable. If domestic production becomes competitive someone will do it.
I’m sorry you’re right, the Republicans have always wanted to tackle that trash and plastic problem. Trump, of course, cares about that. He’s always talked about how much he wants to stop the production and import of plastic junk and pollution, oh wait…
Politicians lie so I’m mostly interested in outcomes, not the narratives that politicians use to make things happen. Why would I care that something I want and is mostly outside of my control happens for the wrong reasons?
We don’t have infrastructure to produce a lot of the components in the things we buy, and even if we did, it would inherently cost a lot more to produce than in the countries that are about to have tariffs placed on them. That the US ever was a manufacturing powerhouse was, in my understanding, a very “place and time” sort of deal after World War II. Not only were all of our competitors recovering from being bombed, but we also advanced to a services based economy very quickly, raising the standard of living beyond a point that manufacturing jobs can typically afford to support. I’m no economist though; I just watch one on YouTube, and “the middle income trap” is a frequent topic.
Tariffs can serve as a stimuli to build out local manufacturing capacity, which sounds pretty leftist to me. I understand arguments for laissez faire policies but at heart they are liberal and not left. It’s the refusal to accept it that led to far right being as popular as it is.
Anyone promising to return people to previously prosperous economic conditions will be popular, even if people don’t know that the promise can’t possibly be delivered. Coal isn’t coming back either, and there’s no “clean” version of it, but if all you’ve done in your life is coal, you’ll vote for the guy who says he’s bringing coal back.
Trump was basically the equivalent of the guy in your street that says when he’s president, everyone gets a million dollars and a pony.
I’m not here to convince liberals that they should try to care for the poor. I’m here to argue that the jig is up - people are voting for literally anyone, including fascists, that promises to change the course.
That second part is exactly what I just said. Is it caring for the poor to lie to them about economic realities, or to raise the cost on everyday items via tariffs when money is already tight? Again, I’m no expert, but I’d rather vote for promised solutions that I understand to actually work rather than the ones that sound good and don’t work.
…yeah, y’all got this. Lmao. Gamers unite! 😂
Omg, are you a professional comedian!!! You could make millions!!! 😂😂😂 thats some original humor right there!!! You genius you
I’m not at all sure you can assume gamers are leftists. An awful lot seem to be pretty hard right.
Yeah, gamer gate was one of the things that lead to Trump being elected in the first place. Plus the outcry that still happens when BIPOC, LGBT, or women protagonists are used. Hell, just look at any steam discussion board sometime and you’ll see it.
As someone who games, gAmERs are the fucking worst
I kinda missed the gamer gate thing, was distracted by other shit and wasn’t gaming at the time. Am I right in thinking it was some kind of misogynist incel bullshit? Like, girls aren’t allowed to play with the boys’ toys?
But yeah, I’ve seen enough stuff on discussion boards and heard enough anecdotes to see that there’s a lot of bigotry in gaming. The hard right are successfully using it as a recruitment platform for kids. Fuckin appalling, but they are well organised and fascists don’t have to worry so much about sectarianism.
I just don’t get how people can’t see that there’s strength in diversity. Like, in gaming you want a team with different skills, abilities, experiences, and characteristics. It’s the same IRL - a diverse community is a strong community.
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It’s a shame. Seeing the bullshit companies have done to games for the sake of profit ought to be a pretty easy on-ramp to anti-capitalism. But just like in the real world, racist shit distracts them from any of that.
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Apologies, I’m not on Lemmy very much, nor the gaming community. I’m an American distraught by Trump right now. I’m no communist. Just an impassioned and anxious progressive American. Thank you for telling me.
All good. That’s a fair point.
I am getting too paranoid. :)
What’s a better way to build up local manufacturing? The oligarchy says this is a good idea for solar panel & EV imports. What’s the difference?
Piracy 😍
Until untracked VPNs are made illegal due to “security.”
…make your own. Destroy it and remake it with a new IP once every few months, use headscale or something to make managing it easier.
I am this petty, absolutely.
(Or just get everything now, I mean. You got a month. Sorry if you didn’t buy a few hard drives when Trump got elected. Some of us saw the writing on the wall.)
Oh believe me I have. 2 HDDs and 1 SSD. I’ve also been snatching up DVDs of shows from second hand places since streaming services will become untenable soon
Unfortunately, the only hardware component you can actually download is RAM. And increased hardware prices are going to be the primary cost factor.
Oh sorry I didn’t read the article. Hardware makes more sense.
The funny thing is, I believe RAM is actually one component that isn’t manufactured as much in China (compared to other components).
Then it isn’t so much playing games, it’s the death of the entire industry. If no one can play anything, there’s nothing to sell.
Neato!
Guess I’ll have to keep my steam deck in good working order and enjoy gaming in a tribute sense.
For how much people are worrying about tariffs I’ve lived my entire life with a 66% alcohol tax, 75% electronics tax, 240-380% vehicles tax and recently even saw 150% inflation.
Let’s play a game!
Where do I live?
Ooh I’ll play. Australia?
Wow Australia has it like that? Nope. A lot less isolated
Hmmm, wanted to say Brasil, but maybe Sweden?
Brazil inflation had been really good in the past year or two, so I would not say is it.
Close, a country just south of it has a LOT of my people, they even call their capital an extended territory of theirs…
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DING DING DING DING YOU WON!!!
How is Lemmy doing in the Turkish community? Is there a Turkish lemmy instance?
I might be one of the thousand people that actively use Lemmy in turkey. Reach out to me otherwise incorrect
Argentina?
Recently 150% inflation, not Argentina, based on the “Recently”
In the US.
I was borderline thinking of re-editing the headline to something along the lines of:
But then decided against it as I generally think it’s best to avoid title edits (other than minor corrections/edits that are explicit).
Companies will find a way to apply this also to the rest of the world, citing some bogus reasons.
It’s like how back when the Euro or the Pound were worth nearly 2x what the dollar was, a new device or piece of hardware would sell for $399/€399/£399.
The EUR and GBP prices included VAT, import fees and whatever other fees levied by the local govt on electronics.
‘American gamers must return to buying American for their gaming needs. That’s why I have talked to Microsoft and they will lower their prices considerably. You are welcome, nerds.’ -DT, probably soon
I think the most made-in-America gaming hardware is probably the mac pro
You’re forgetting that they have to import all the components that are inside. Also mine says “Assembled in China”, check yours, lol.
No amount of tariffs would get me to buy an Xbox lol
Not my president 😡
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(I live in Germany)
Well to be fair you already went through this shit once. Speaking of which, you’re gonna send troops over here to help us out this time, right?
Schwein gehabt!
It ain’t gonna cost me shit because I’m spending next to nothing for the foreseeable future apart from necessities, and what little I do spend is gonna be bought as locally as possible. Fuck this country.
*American?
Mostly I suppose - but in the example/hypothetical given in the article of Sony moving it’s manufacturing from China to India, it would take 6-24 months minimum to find/develop the space they need and move the equipment. This cost to move all of the equipment half way across the world and the opportunity cost of out of stocks at stores worldwide when your distribution chain finally drys up - the cost was sited at 10%. If they MOVE a facility, I think that cost gets passed on to everybody worldwide.
There may be situations where JUST American production is moved to another country with more favorable tarrifs and worldwide production continues out of the existing facility, and probably in a situation like that, only the American costs would increase to cover the facility/equipmemt costs. But for that to make fiscal sense, this would have to be somehow CHEAPER than the price already elevated by the tarrifs. Companies could even in this case, theoretically hike prices worldwide to subsidize the impact to everybody. More people paying a higher prices mean everybody pays less.
Now, I couldn’t say if there’s any precident for the last line there. Purely hypothetical. But regardless - it’s entirely possible it WON’T be JUST Americans paying higher prices.
They targeted gamers
Gaymers are the most oppressed group, literally 1984