The only silver lining is that this will encourage the homebrew scene to take off. The same thing happened with the PS Vita as soon as support started to wane.
Oh yeah there are loads of great examples. Point being, official development stopping means nothing for the homebrew scene. If anything, it might actually be a good thing because there won’t be any updates to break homebrew apps
I mean, the Wii, WiiU and DS consoles have reasonably busy homebrew scenes. You’re right, they’re pretty small compared to the other consoles mentioned but they definitely exist, and I’m sure the Switch will get the same when they move on to the next console
I was referring to Nintendo still pushing software updates to try and break 3ds homebrew even though after next month they won’t support the console in any way
Made me wonder how long Apple would support their Vision Pro devices as both devices are similarly locked down by their manufacturers. The Quest 1 was released on 2019, so it got about 5 years of support. Apple might support Vision Pro for longer (maybe 7 years?), but at $3499 (vs Quest 1’s $399), it’ll going to be hurt for the owners when it’s no longer supported.
Since the Steam Link app came out on it, it’s been waaay easier to play PCVR titles. I’ve had more fun with it playing modded games that weren’t meant for VR than actual new VR games. Valheim was nuts. Skyrim VR modded to hell is super nuts. It’s a great way to re-experience some of those old games.
My daughter does too. She stopped touching it about two years minus one day after we got it for her for Christmas. And she really wanted it for Christmas too.
With the current pace of VR, the Quest 1 already feels extremely outdated. I’m not surprised that they are dropping support for it, especially when the Quest 2 and 3 have all but replaced it
The headline still is complete ragebait. The product still functions. They are just not adding any new releases. It happens to every console, and the Quest 1 was a shortlived, but necessary stepping stone to get to where we are today.
It’s not even a beta tester thing. They just bought it from Oculus, made a few minor changes (most notably requiring you to have a Facebook account to use it) and that was it. This is a “force consumers to upgrade” thing. And it should be illegal.
Yeee anybody who bought these as an actual standalone headset is in for a rude awakening of how console gaming works and how app store monopolies and vertical integration are able to offer you prices that massively undercut the competition like this.
As always - PC games are forever, piracy is forever. My quest 2 exists to have VD on it and nothing else, and when support is discontinued if the dev keeps updating it - I’ll sideload the .APKs myself.
My worry and the main reason I’ve not jumped for one, is that with the requirement of a Meta account and stuff, Meta could decide to just have all their headsets of a certain generation stop working after some date even if you only use desktop streaming.
Are there any known workarounds/safeguards against Meta remote control of the device?
Thanks for the research. It seems like their discontinuation of Oculus accounts made some of the steps harder or less effective, and I’d worry about messing something up.
I took a second look after you replied and holy shit you’re right it is very involved. I’m just going to take my chances with meta still and if they burn me I got my several hundred hours of Skyrim VR in. Enough to justify an Index.
Hold up. I can’t make an app for you because that asshole over there says no? Refund that shit. The hardware clearly isn’t yours, so your money should make it’s way back to your wallet.
Where does it say that you can’t make an app? From my understanding, you can’t distribute in their store. Nobody is taking away your hardware or blocks you from using it.
Meta/Facebook has the quest locked down so you can’t easily install run apps without using their store. By preventing developers from releasing new games/updates on the store for quest 1, they’ve effectively killed the product.
Its the same as if Apple stopped supporting an iPhone in the app store. That phone is no longer able to install any apps on it.
“Thanks for your support in growing this community without any compensation from us that we will throw in the trash the moment it becomes less than profitable. You can continue your unrewarded work for our new and ‘improved’ product that will face the same fate in just a few short years!”
I would expect Valve’s next headset to be expensive, complex and requiring extensive configuration by the user, just like their previous efforts. Pretty much the polar opposite of the Quest.
Dunno how much enthusiasm there is for a homebrew scene because the 1st gen was weak as shit, and the main selling point is you can use them as a PC headset, which is going to get you a better experience than any game run natively on it.
Yeah, via SideQuest (which is a sideloader program), and most game engine support quest development. However it wouldn’t surprise me if Meta were able to prevent that.
They really are horrible to devs, they offer no real support, especially for Unreal devs, and their dev forums are practically dead because of this.
They don’t understand how to encourage devs. I was thinking of getting a Meta Quest 3, but seeing this post has me reconsidering the idea.
I can’t speak for the quest directly but I’ve used programs like sidequest to load homebrew games onto my quest 2. It’s also really easy to do so I don’t think they’re quote going to be e waste yet
Does quest 1 have access to virtual desktop? If so, can you just keep playing off of your computer hardware? Or are those 10kB patches virtual desktop has to download RIGHT NOW five minutes after you start using it really important to the operation of the streamer app?
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The only silver lining is that this will encourage the homebrew scene to take off. The same thing happened with the PS Vita as soon as support started to wane.
And 3ds And OG Xbox And PS3 (though it took some exploting) And Wii U Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head, anyways
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Oh yeah there are loads of great examples. Point being, official development stopping means nothing for the homebrew scene. If anything, it might actually be a good thing because there won’t be any updates to break homebrew apps
Unless your Nintendo, that is
I mean, the Wii, WiiU and DS consoles have reasonably busy homebrew scenes. You’re right, they’re pretty small compared to the other consoles mentioned but they definitely exist, and I’m sure the Switch will get the same when they move on to the next console
I was referring to Nintendo still pushing software updates to try and break 3ds homebrew even though after next month they won’t support the console in any way
Made me wonder how long Apple would support their Vision Pro devices as both devices are similarly locked down by their manufacturers. The Quest 1 was released on 2019, so it got about 5 years of support. Apple might support Vision Pro for longer (maybe 7 years?), but at $3499 (vs Quest 1’s $399), it’ll going to be hurt for the owners when it’s no longer supported.
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I have a Quest 2 that i haven’t touched in almost 2 years. I should sell it.
Since the Steam Link app came out on it, it’s been waaay easier to play PCVR titles. I’ve had more fun with it playing modded games that weren’t meant for VR than actual new VR games. Valheim was nuts. Skyrim VR modded to hell is super nuts. It’s a great way to re-experience some of those old games.
My daughter does too. She stopped touching it about two years minus one day after we got it for her for Christmas. And she really wanted it for Christmas too.
Stupid kids.
So, they’re basically forcing it into the junk pile, even if developers want to support it. What a terrible company.
Well it is meta. I am surprised they didn’t make them all just catch fire and burn down the owners houses.
Upon being handed a busted Quest 2 that indeed caught fire, I’ve found a lot of folks online that have had that very issue lol.
Unrelated, I fixed it and noe need VR game suggestions as this realm is the shit.
There’s no money in that for them. Now if they owned a real estate company…
With the current pace of VR, the Quest 1 already feels extremely outdated. I’m not surprised that they are dropping support for it, especially when the Quest 2 and 3 have all but replaced it
The problem is specifically NOT availability of VR options without the Quest 1.
The headline still is complete ragebait. The product still functions. They are just not adding any new releases. It happens to every console, and the Quest 1 was a shortlived, but necessary stepping stone to get to where we are today.
We thank you for being our beta testers, now fuck right off
It’s not even a beta tester thing. They just bought it from Oculus, made a few minor changes (most notably requiring you to have a Facebook account to use it) and that was it. This is a “force consumers to upgrade” thing. And it should be illegal.
I thought the on device camera based positioning was developed after Facebook bought them and hired John Carmack
Yeee anybody who bought these as an actual standalone headset is in for a rude awakening of how console gaming works and how app store monopolies and vertical integration are able to offer you prices that massively undercut the competition like this.
As always - PC games are forever, piracy is forever. My quest 2 exists to have VD on it and nothing else, and when support is discontinued if the dev keeps updating it - I’ll sideload the .APKs myself.
My worry and the main reason I’ve not jumped for one, is that with the requirement of a Meta account and stuff, Meta could decide to just have all their headsets of a certain generation stop working after some date even if you only use desktop streaming.
Are there any known workarounds/safeguards against Meta remote control of the device?
I found THIS, but there are some caveats.
Thanks for the research. It seems like their discontinuation of Oculus accounts made some of the steps harder or less effective, and I’d worry about messing something up.
I took a second look after you replied and holy shit you’re right it is very involved. I’m just going to take my chances with meta still and if they burn me I got my several hundred hours of Skyrim VR in. Enough to justify an Index.
I have used my pi-hole to blacklist all the oculus, meta and facebook domains, so I don’t get firmware update pushes on my Q1.
BUT, I did have a weird out-of-sync issue with Virtual Desktop a few months ago when I thought I had properly version locked.
All I ever wanted my Quest to be was a monitor. The fact that they could brick a monitor because they feel like it’s obsolete, is asinine.
Sounds a lot like a girl I knew back in college. Do you also share it with all your friends and people you barely met?
God bless Jessica
Hold up. I can’t make an app for you because that asshole over there says no? Refund that shit. The hardware clearly isn’t yours, so your money should make it’s way back to your wallet.
Where does it say that you can’t make an app? From my understanding, you can’t distribute in their store. Nobody is taking away your hardware or blocks you from using it.
Meta/Facebook has the quest locked down so you can’t easily install run apps without using their store. By preventing developers from releasing new games/updates on the store for quest 1, they’ve effectively killed the product.
Its the same as if Apple stopped supporting an iPhone in the app store. That phone is no longer able to install any apps on it.
“Thanks for your support in growing this community without any compensation from us that we will throw in the trash the moment it becomes less than profitable. You can continue your unrewarded work for our new and ‘improved’ product that will face the same fate in just a few short years!”
I’m really hoping that Valve releases a new headset by the time my Quest inevitably becomes unusable.
I would expect Valve’s next headset to be expensive, complex and requiring extensive configuration by the user, just like their previous efforts. Pretty much the polar opposite of the Quest.
Obviously you’ve never had a headset from Valve. It is literally plug in 3 things, setup space so you don’t hit your monitor (optional) and play it.
You lost me at plug.
If you struggle with plugging a cable into a computer then VR probably isn’t for you.
Even the ones that require no plugging and no computer?
You can’t be helped.
Meanwhile my OG oculus rift is still working fine
I mean, this will carry on working as a PC headset too. Doesn’t say they’re taking that away.
Same. CV1. Fuck Facebook
I’m about to revive my CV1 as I reinstall my gaming rig in a couple months. I hope it won’t be bricked by those Facebook idiots.
Is there a homebrew scene with these Quest devices?
It’s just Android iirc.
Dunno how much enthusiasm there is for a homebrew scene because the 1st gen was weak as shit, and the main selling point is you can use them as a PC headset, which is going to get you a better experience than any game run natively on it.
God I hope so. This is ludicrous. People are still developing NES games ffs! A friend of mine did.
Yeah, via SideQuest (which is a sideloader program), and most game engine support quest development. However it wouldn’t surprise me if Meta were able to prevent that.
They really are horrible to devs, they offer no real support, especially for Unreal devs, and their dev forums are practically dead because of this.
They don’t understand how to encourage devs. I was thinking of getting a Meta Quest 3, but seeing this post has me reconsidering the idea.
Not quite homebrew, but SideQuest is the least hassle free solution for many alternatives and games.
I can’t speak for the quest directly but I’ve used programs like sidequest to load homebrew games onto my quest 2. It’s also really easy to do so I don’t think they’re quote going to be e waste yet
What a lame early April fools joke.
Does quest 1 have access to virtual desktop? If so, can you just keep playing off of your computer hardware? Or are those 10kB patches virtual desktop has to download RIGHT NOW five minutes after you start using it really important to the operation of the streamer app?