I just realized it’s Laura Bailey who voiced her! 😮 The Laura Bailey. Jaina Proudmoore! Wow!
There was a time window around 10-15 years ago where it felt like not a single AA-AAA game released where she didn’t have a voice role in. Absolutely legendary talent!
I think different people have different reasons for disliking it.
For me it’s the writing. Specifically: the first half does it very best to make you hate a specific character, then the the second half has you play that character. I get what the writers were trying to do. The problem I have with it that is doesn’t make for a fun game. I don’t want to play a character I hate.
The writers were so intent on making a specific point that they forgot that they were making a video game. A video game is different from e.g. a movie in that the player is a part of the story, they take on the role of the character they are playing.
For this to work there has to be some part of the character the player can identify with. When playing Ellie, the player can identify with the rage she’s feeling. For Abby, there’s nothing to identify with. She’s mad that Joel killed her father but Joel was entirely justified in killing him. Her father was a bad person and deserved to die.
It makes it very hard for me to put myself in her shoes. As a result I just didn’t enjoy playing as her and quit the game after realizing that it wasn’t just a short section but the entire second half of the game.
I don’t care about abby and her physical appearance, my issue was purely the santa Barbara section. Had the game ended before that started it would have been fine. By then ellie was fine leaving abby alive as killing abbys friends had not helped her process the death of Joel. They just extended the story for no reason and it made it worse
OK, so let’s assume that’s a good faith literal interpretation.
Let’s try it this way.
Yes, it possibly would be considered more logical, but people who threaten kids over videogames aren’t generally considered to be working with an abundance of logical thought.
I could however be wrong in this generalisation given I only have my experience to go on, if your experience leads you to believe people who threaten kids over videogames are not running with a logic deficit then your statement makes sense I suppose.
Yes, it possibly would be considered more logical, but people who threaten kids over videogames aren’t generally considered to be working with an abundance of logical thought.
You’re just repeating yourself.
“Logical” is not a binary position. It’s a spectrum.
Because writing has no face, you can’t show writing how much you hate it, because it doesn’t change and has no feelings. Meanwhile an actor does. It’s just stupid emotional stuff.
There’s a couple of actors in my province that had a hard time finding work after playing a certain role because people were mad at them personally and producers didn’t want to touch them with a 10’ pole!
TBF, she did go on a tirad against players when the game was getting ciriticized. I found it weird that she took the criticism of the game’s writing so personally despite her not being one of the writers.
Keep in mind that I’m not excusing the death theats. That shit isn’t okay. I’m just pointing out why she may have been targeted for harassment.
I feel like articles like this promote more psychopaths. If they know that their threats are working and effecting their target they are going to keep doing it.
Fan was originally short for fanatic, but language changes over time and now it means someone who likes something or someone. These “people” do not like, they hate. They are not fans, they are fanatics. And even that term feels too kind.
Who wants to bet how long it takes for someone to post a victim-blaming comment that claims this is an exaggeration to detract from some other anti-consumer behavior of theirs?
I will never understand being so angry at a fictional work to a point that you feel justified in threatening and harassing the people who are part of it… And also their relative and loved ones!
Amazing but more usual that one might think, it’s the same anger you can see in people that identity themselves with some other fictions like religion, nationalism, football teams, ideology, race, etc. When watching a movie you kind of temporarily turn off your disbelief to experience joy, sadness, anxiety etc but when the movie is over the healthy behavior is the recognition that everything was an acting. But with the fictions that I just described somehow the disbelief is never turned on, the critical thinking is canceled.
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I just realized it’s Laura Bailey who voiced her! 😮 The Laura Bailey. Jaina Proudmoore! Wow!
There was a time window around 10-15 years ago where it felt like not a single AA-AAA game released where she didn’t have a voice role in. Absolutely legendary talent!
Days since a small subset of the gaming community embarresses the rest with their shitty behavior: 0
This will never not be zero
I’m not embarrassed. They pull this shit, they’re no longer part of the community.
This is really depressing, why go after an actor when the writing is at fault?
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I think different people have different reasons for disliking it.
For me it’s the writing. Specifically: the first half does it very best to make you hate a specific character, then the the second half has you play that character. I get what the writers were trying to do. The problem I have with it that is doesn’t make for a fun game. I don’t want to play a character I hate.
The writers were so intent on making a specific point that they forgot that they were making a video game. A video game is different from e.g. a movie in that the player is a part of the story, they take on the role of the character they are playing.
For this to work there has to be some part of the character the player can identify with. When playing Ellie, the player can identify with the rage she’s feeling. For Abby, there’s nothing to identify with. She’s mad that Joel killed her father but Joel was entirely justified in killing him. Her father was a bad person and deserved to die.
It makes it very hard for me to put myself in her shoes. As a result I just didn’t enjoy playing as her and quit the game after realizing that it wasn’t just a short section but the entire second half of the game.
No it’s because the quality of the story drops dramatically at the end
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The ending doesn’t make sense at all but ok. You do you.
Why does it not make sense?
I don’t care about abby and her physical appearance, my issue was purely the santa Barbara section. Had the game ended before that started it would have been fine. By then ellie was fine leaving abby alive as killing abbys friends had not helped her process the death of Joel. They just extended the story for no reason and it made it worse
It’s not like threatening the writers’ kids would have been reasonable either
It would have at least been more logical…
I wouldn’t expect logical thinking to be a strong characteristic in someone who’d threaten kids over a videogame.
No one said you would.
OK, so let’s assume that’s a good faith literal interpretation.
Let’s try it this way.
Yes, it possibly would be considered more logical, but people who threaten kids over videogames aren’t generally considered to be working with an abundance of logical thought.
I could however be wrong in this generalisation given I only have my experience to go on, if your experience leads you to believe people who threaten kids over videogames are not running with a logic deficit then your statement makes sense I suppose.
You’re just repeating yourself.
“Logical” is not a binary position. It’s a spectrum.
So, not a good faith take then, oh well.
Agreed, not sure how it’s relevant but it seems we agree on something after all.
Consider the average person’s intelligence. Then realize half (or so) are stupider than that.
Because writing has no face, you can’t show writing how much you hate it, because it doesn’t change and has no feelings. Meanwhile an actor does. It’s just stupid emotional stuff.
*me, looking up from wiping with SOIAF* What?!
There’s a couple of actors in my province that had a hard time finding work after playing a certain role because people were mad at them personally and producers didn’t want to touch them with a 10’ pole!
TBF, she did go on a tirad against players when the game was getting ciriticized. I found it weird that she took the criticism of the game’s writing so personally despite her not being one of the writers.
Keep in mind that I’m not excusing the death theats. That shit isn’t okay. I’m just pointing out why she may have been targeted for harassment.
No, not fans, psychopaths threatened the son.
I feel like articles like this promote more psychopaths. If they know that their threats are working and effecting their target they are going to keep doing it.
That’s how I feel about right wing terrorism in US politics.
The fact that Democratic runners willingly cave to that kind of pressure not only emboldens these nutjobs but also shows a complete lack of spine.
You can be both
No, fan is correct. We just forget it stands for “fanatic”.
Fan was originally short for fanatic, but language changes over time and now it means someone who likes something or someone. These “people” do not like, they hate. They are not fans, they are fanatics. And even that term feels too kind.
You can’t deny their personhood, just because they’re horrible people.
Oh sure they’re people. Otherwise there’d be no legal basis for jailing them and throwing the key away, so that’s an important aspect.
No one refers to people who despise X as “fans of X” or “fanatics for X”.
Goodbye supposedly gradually derped off from ‘god be with you’ and that feels pretty different to me even when used for the same purpose
Sounds reasonable. /s
Who wants to bet how long it takes for someone to post a victim-blaming comment that claims this is an exaggeration to detract from some other anti-consumer behavior of theirs?
I will never understand being so angry at a fictional work to a point that you feel justified in threatening and harassing the people who are part of it… And also their relative and loved ones!
Amazing but more usual that one might think, it’s the same anger you can see in people that identity themselves with some other fictions like religion, nationalism, football teams, ideology, race, etc. When watching a movie you kind of temporarily turn off your disbelief to experience joy, sadness, anxiety etc but when the movie is over the healthy behavior is the recognition that everything was an acting. But with the fictions that I just described somehow the disbelief is never turned on, the critical thinking is canceled.
Well that’s basically what religion does, so I find it easy to believe