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This is so annoying. Even though I’m not a fan of porn games on the whole, it is extremely irritating that payment systems can decide how and when you can spend your own fucking money. We’re not seven, anymore. We can take care of ourselves.

It smacks of the idiotic “babyproofing” of clearly adult spaces everywhere except bars, these days. Antiquated moral panics, just like 1954’s lavender scare all over again.

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That’s bad imo

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It’s funny, Patreon cracked down years ago on Incest content forcing indie porn devs to do *nudge *nudge *wink she’s your “Landlady” stuff. I guess paypal just assumed Steam was cleaner until now.

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New market opportunity! Steam has been banned from participating, meaning even a crappy quality platform can now compete. Though, payment processing will be the hitch, I would guess…

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This explains why I can’t buy games right now. I tried to use PayPal and it failed but now my account seems to be blocked from any purchase. Not even direct card. When I asked support they demanded a screenshot of my cart.

Dude, Gabe, I just want to play outer wilds. There’s no tits, let alone incest in Outer wilds. I’ve never bought a porn game in my life. Why am I being punished for a billionaire company’s moral panic?

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Damn it… I was really looking forward to Brother Mother Buttfucker 2.

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Is that a new song from PSY?

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What are these games? Steam is littered with these and waifu porno stuff… Not kink shaming here but what’s the attraction?

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I honestly don’t get it either… And I have nothing against porn, but some of these just sound and look like cheap copy/pastes and probably with little to no interactivity or gameplay. I’m curious to see how they are now, if only for comedic value.

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The more taboo a topic, the more it gets people agitated, sometimes this is channeled sexually.

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While this doesn’t directly affect me, I really hate that a payment processor I don’t even use can dictate what is and is not acceptable speech.

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I can’t imagine buying a porn game on Steam. And even if I did, incest holds no interest to me.

Even so, I absolutely fucking hate this crap. Payment processors are killing off content despite the producers and consumers of the content being completely fine with it. This should be a Net Neutrality issue. But I’m not seeing anywhere near the same outrage over it that there was over ISPs doing the exact same thing.

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I remember someone had a reply on something that touched on incest porn and they where like. I see it all the time but when you put in blond big boobed blowjob and the title is mom son its like who cares or such. So much porn seems to just get relabeled when it comes to incest porn. This is now a brother and sister or mom/son or father/daughter. It is wierd how that seemed to just blow up in popularity. I mean I think its been that way for a few years but I swear I did not see so much like pre covid.

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My theory is that it’s because people who are into it must be really into it, but people who aren’t into it are very good at ignoring the fact that it’s titled like that or that there might be one or two throwaway lines implying it (especially when it’s “step”). So there’s an incentive for uploaders to title things like that and for creators to add a little nod in the video towards it (without adding too much incest roleplay) because it draws in a large audience and actively turns away very few.

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Well if you are having to watch on mute anyway, not like you even know the plot…

Of course you miss out on the narrative masterpiece of things like lemon stealing whores …

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lemon stealing whores …

Dare I ask for context?

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It’s seemed pretty popular to me since basically the beginning of the internet.

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I think it has blown up in popularity because many more people nowadays have divorced parents and grew up in a blended family. I bet many guys have fantasized about fucking their step mom or older step sister and I bet even dads have fantasized about fucking the oldest step daughter who was already an adult when he married her mother.

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And what about all the people who don’t live in Alabama trailer parks? Or they’re just so many of them that they provide an industry all on their own.

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You do realize that step family aren’t blood relatives right? A horny teenager who met his older step sister for the first time when he was 15 and she 17 doesn’t have a familial bond with her, it’s just another hot girl for him. So nothing Alabama about that.

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Why do they even get to know which games people buy? It should just show them “Steam purchase” and nothing else.

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Because many “players” are refunding after a fap, which is logged and reviewed. Also, suspicious or new transactions are often flagged and reviewed. So a lot of such side content is being pushed in front of the banks and payment processors by horny clients who unwittingly expose their kinks.

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If a large number of refunds came from a single source it seems like Steam would be the one addressing the issue, not payment processors.

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Seem like an easy solution would be to have certain transactions be nonrefundable.

I say easy, but I guess it would involve quite a bit of software changes, and then you’d also have to deal with angry customers who ignored numerous warnings that a purchase would be final.

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That’s even less consumer friendly. If you purchase a game and it turns out to be shovelware that barely works and has a bunch of gamed reviews on the store page? Oh too bad sap, you got conned this is non-refundable.

Consumers had to fight for games that do refundable, I don’t think we should be quick to consider loopholes.

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The post nut clarity of realizing that buying that porn game was not such a great idea

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Money laundering and anti terrorism laws would be my guess.

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Those payment processors can just look at the store and see that it sells smut. Those payment processors do their own due diligence.

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This doesn’t directly affect me, either, but does anyone know if it applies to all of the Interactive Sex - Futanari Incest DLC, too!? For Episodes 1-4!? Like, if any of my friends have large amounts of FutaCoinz from years of Season Passes, I wonder if they’ll still be able to spend them…?

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I don’t know if I want to try to find out if that is satire or actual things…

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Agreed, this shit sucks. The credit card companies hold far too much power over what is considered viable commerce.

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Wonder where they stand on The Witcher I?

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yarrrr me maties.

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Yeah, but I like paying people to make things, and it’s not their fault. This will ultimately mean less of these things get made. For incest games, that’s no great loss, but I hate the precedent.

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Kind of cuts both ways though, doesn’t it? The reverse of this argument is saying that the payment processors must work with Valve no matter what they host. Agree it disagree with them, but don’t the payment processors get a say in what they do or do not want to process?

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No, they should have zero say because they have weaseled themselves into a position that is the equivalent of a utility or whatever ISP are classified as. Their only involvement is whether they complete transactions between parties in a legal way.

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I mean, when your service is fundamental enough to the economy, and centralized enough to make just going to an alternative a major hassle, if an alternative without a similar policy even exists, then why should they get that say? The power to effectively ban the sale of certain types of thing, or force media platforms to censor certain types of content, is the sort of power we generally reserve for governments, not private entities that can do whatever they want. Honestly they’re important enough these days that they should basically be treated like some sort of public utility in my view.

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Well as long as they are independent businesses, why shouldn’t they?

If your argument seems to be “they are too crucial to be independent businesses,” I don’t think we’d disagree too much, but the fact is that they are right now.

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I don’t think that businesses, not being individuals, should actually have the same rights as individuals I guess. I don’t really agree with the idea that a corporation should be able to do whatever it likes by default, simply because I think corporations in general have too much power to be trusted with such.

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Come on, that’s a bit of a stawman because I’m not in any way suggesting that businesses should be able to do whatever they like.

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It was more like hyperbole on my part, I was using that as a catch all for whatever kinds of things a business could abuse it’s position by doing. I didn’t want to just say “be able to do businesses or not do business with whoever they want”, because I wanted to say something more broad than just applying to payment processors, even if choosing not to do business with someone and thereby shutting them out of much of the economy is the way a payment processor would do this .

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Agree it disagree with them, but don’t the payment processors get a say in what they do or do not want to process?

Absolutely not. Power companies don’t get a say in what the power they supply their users with is used for, same for water companies and even ISPs. If they really, really want to enforce rules on what they will and will not process payments for, they can accept legal responsibility when they process a payment on a gun someone uses to shoot up a school or what have you. But they cant have it both ways.

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In the US at least, they actually do, in many cases. If you are in a drought region, your water utilities can be shut off if you’re wasting it all on watering a lawn or filling a swimming pool, for example. ISPs cut people off all the time for torrenting, sometimes even if it’s not pirated content (though it was ruled not long ago that ISPs aren’t utilities anyways).

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Power and water are public utilities (as is internet, in some parts of the world but not all). Payment processing is not. If you want to argue that it should be, we’d likely agree.

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They may not be de jure be public utilities but they are de facto public utilities. It is essentially impossible to live in society without them, and outside their collusionist cabal there are no real alternatives.

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Sure, but there are so few payment processors that even a single one refusing to do business with you can be a real problem for a business. Even Valve, a big and influential company, has little choice but to capitulate to PayPal. Visa and Mastercard have even more power.

There are too many problems with crypto for it to be a viable alternative, but there’s no good way for me to pay a business (when cash isn’t an option) that doesn’t require the involvement of a third party. Limited competition means those third parties have too much power. I don’t know what it is, but there has to be a solution for that.

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Lol what? They’re being forced to do business with Valve?

Yeah, nah… They could just not process payments for them anymore. Problem solved.

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They’re saying that is the reverse argument, not the state of things today. As in, the only solution to the above would be to force payment processors to do business with anyone and everyone.

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But that’s the entire crux of this situation. They are threatening to do that, and people are upset about that.

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Doing the right thing for the wring reason if you ask me. I don’t think it was ever a good idea to sell incest games in the first place, but banning them because they make payment processors uncomfortable ? Fuck that.

I don’t want payment processors to be the arbiters of what we are allowed to play !

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While I personally have absolutely no incestual relationship desires, the only rational reason be against incest is really because there is the consanguinity issue, which can result in genetic deficiencies. Same-sex incest is for example, legal in Ireland and Germany.

Morally speaking… I too find it icky, but I’m pretty sure this is the result of how we were raised to think of it as being icky. As long as everyone involved able to legally consent, and there is no abusive power dynamic in the relationship, I really don’t judge. To each their own! Just don’t involve me in it! LOL

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Even opposite-sex incest became legal in Sweden a couple years back. The law previously said “forbidden to have sexual intercourse with a sibling”, but they changed it to “forbidden to have vaginal intercourse with a sibling”. No idea if it was the (right-wing) government’s intention to legalize gay-brother-sex at the same time, but here we are.

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The reason might be a slippery slope or whatever, but there’s mountains of disgusting visual novel incest fantasy shit, so much that I had to filter out all sexual content from Steam even though I might enjoy occasional Sex With the Devil or some Genital Jousting.

I prefer to do my genital jousting IRL, and not video game format. I just go up to random dudes at the urinal and challenge them.

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I’m going to file this as “untagged satire”… right? RIGHT???

Joust me and find out.

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He has a butthole right in his username.

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If your butthole looks like a spiral, I’m sorry for your condition, and hope you get better soon. Thoughts and prayers!

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👉🌀😵‍💫

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Payment processors and financial institutions sure do seem to hold disproportionate amounts of power.

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What goal do the payment processors have for doing things like this, is it just that they like knowing that they have the ability to control what you are and aren’t allowed to enjoy? I ask this because normally, when services change their policies, it’s done to improve profits. But from what I can tell, the payment processors can only lose money because they are eliminating potential revenue sources.

I will admit that I have no interest in any of the games that were removed, I’ve never even heard of them before today, but I don’t agree with payment processors having the ability to sensor content over some schizo bullshit.

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Porn-related transactions have a higher than average rate of chargebacks. Maybe post-nut clarity motivates people to say “wait hold on I shouldn’t have spent that money, I must’ve been hacked.” Or maybe it’s people saving face when confronted with a transaction log from their spouse or other family members. Or maybe it’s just the type of transaction that actual card fraudsters gravitate towards, so that there really is a higher percentage of unauthorized transactions.

Gambling-related merchants also have a similar problem with payment processors. For many of them, it’s just straightforward business concerns, not any kind of ethical issue in itself.

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The problem with that is that, at least with PayPal, they charge a fee to the service provider (Steam, in this case) for chargebacks. And, from what I’ve heard, that fee is significantly more than the original cost.

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Every credit card company charges large fees to the service provider for charge backs. It’s standard practice. This is also leads to service providers straight up perma-banning customers who initiate charge backs instead of resolving a dispute with the provider.

Chargebacks are incredibly expensive, yes.

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It could also be the result of government pressure. Which government? No idea, but it may be easier to implement it system wide than try to build a regional filter to ban payments in one country but allow it in others.

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I guess so, most (if not all) governments do like abusing their power.

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Any game featuring most kinds of animal, including people, is evidence that sex occurred. We should ban those too.

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If a game exists, a person made it and that person exists because someone had sex. It’s disgusting how people pay to play that sort of filth.

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payment providers are way to powerful

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Copy Epic’s model of selling “Sbucks” or similar, which you then spend on those games. Problem solved.

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I think it’s not that easy. From what I understand, the payment providers enforce that for the whole store, otherwise they don’t want to be involved. Quite shitty, but they have enough weight to pull shit like that off.

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We already have Steam Marketplace. You can buy stuff with your Steam Wallet.

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You can literally just “buy” stuff, and put whatever your currency is, in your wallet. so the transaction was already made, to no specific product. How are they able to track that, is utter nonsense. This is just the companies forcing them to do their bidding. I mean if those games have questionable content (and by that I mean pedophilia or zoophilia), I do agree with that, and I feel that is a responsibility from Valve itself, not other companies.

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