On my Windows 11 machine I just uninstalled Copilot via the normal app uninstall process. Unless I’m misunderstanding, I don’t think it’s tied into the OS in any fundamental way. I assume most debloating scripts include the step anyway.
Gonna get to enjoy some reg edits on that machine then!
Edit: So I just looked at that machine that is set to take all new updates, and it doesn’t look to be installed like it is for that guy in the video. However, it looks like this machine hasn’t picked up 24H2 yet, which is strange as I thought it was meant to be worldwide now?
Imagine jumping through all those hoops because Microsoft sabotages your property against you, when your could just use Linux and have it respect your rights as its owner instead.
Windows users trying to make their adware delivery platform strapped to a program loader usable (I can install my operating system faster then they can install a program)
Any devices, that do not work on any of my machines:
Any devices, that did not work out of the box on any of my machines and needed a seperate package (I use a distro without any preinstalled drivers): Fingerprint sensor, NVidia GPU (only for gaming, it does work just not very performant)
Any devices, that did work out of the box: Every mouse (including the PowerPlay mousepad), every keyboard, headphones, cameras, printers/scanners, touchpads, game controllers
Bonus: Android to Linux OTG networking in both directions
Any devices that do not work with Windows: Scanner, Touchpad (in the installer), Bonus: Intel Rapid Storage Technology
I found the opposite. Even my obsure printer that needed tons of windows tweaks and drivers just worked on Linux.
The only device that needed help was a 6-axis 3D mouse. Linux saw it as a mouse/tablet xy input. But Windows needs drivers for it to function. They had a Linux driver for it, so I installed that to get the 6axis working.
From what I understand others more knowledgeable than I am have said that person tried some nonsense where he gutted files from the OS that may have included dependencies for explorer.exe so if what Microsuck says is still true you can disable the screenshot function of recall and whatever other privacy settings you want and you’ll still be able to use your PC.
I really hope that’s true because I honestly don’t want to have to go to Linux and play IT guy constantly when I’m just trying to play a game or something after work. However much Microsuck sucks, windows almost always just works and the rare times I have an issue so many people use windows that I can easily find a fix.
Linux isn’t that bad these days unless you want to use something silly and not supported by the manufacturers, like nVidia’s Optimus or other crap. Even then, the linux folks have it figured out. You can get step by step instructions for about any issue, even the complicated weird shit like Optimus.
I didn’t even bother. On the machines I have with Win 11 it’s either not installed or functional but entirely optional. That whole recall feature never got implemented and honestly at this point I don’t know if it’ll ever be.
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Kubuntu crapped out on me after updating, so I tried a few other distros. Bazzite refused to install, but OpenSUSE Tumbleweed has made a really good first impression.
Co-pilot tries to infect W10 too. Showed up on my taskbar the other day and I nearly shit. Just because it’s off your taskbar, doesn’t mean it isn’t running processes. W10 is on life support at this point.
doesnt the ltsc version target enterprises and stuff and you cant just use your home/pro license you need a whole diff license and many anticheats and steam will end support for 10 once it ends support
LTSC is “only” available through an enterprise licensing through Microsoft or its partners, which means you can probably ask a company or organization for one of their volume keys, and will probably be the only Windows where you can permanently disable Recall…
Like seriously, I had problems disabling telemetry in Windows 10 Pro because it kept re-enabling them, but not in the LTSC version.
Honestly I downgraded to 10 earlier this year. Then the windows 11 update came out that boosts Ryzen performance, well my happy ass couldn’t miss out on them gains. So back to 11 I went.
My PC is pretty much strictly used for gaming so more power is more power.
And you can skip most of the bullshit by setting up Windows using English UK instead of English USA (and then you can adjust your regional settings and keyboard however you prefer)
It’s too easy for them to turn back on without me realizing it, and I’m not going to tolerate having to be that vigilant against something, my own computer, which has absolutely no reason to be hostile to me.
And you can’t afford to fuck this one up. Microsoft Recall isn’t just a virus, it’s worse than just about any other virus. “Did you forget to double check Microsoft’s bullshit on the wrong day lol enjoy your keylogger”
You know damn well how ridiculous that sounds. And if this is the answer to removing Copilot, no thanks. Linux works perfectly fine for me and my gaming needs.
Until they lobby to get laws changed, many companies have legal requirements regarding PII that mean serious fines if CoPilot or Recall ever turn on in their environment (and if they’re caught of course).
Windows is not going to fuck this up and force this on, handing easy legal wins against them to the world. They will have the normal configuration options available that they always do for features with potential legal liability attached.
Did you miss the recent security blunder with Government security and Microsoft? They didn’t want to tell governments of a secuirty hole in case it meant lowers sales.
If you’re using Enterprise on a personal machine, you’ve messed something up. There are other ways beyond Group Policy in that environment that are probably causing what you’re seeing. SCCM, Intune, Policies over the network vs local… that significantly raises the chances of something else stepping on your local Group Policies.
I’ve not had that problem on either of my Win 10 Pro machines when using Group Policy to disable things, over the last four years.
It’s been a year since I’ve uninstalled Windows, but I believe Windows 10 Pro does not have access to the stronger GPO policies that enterprise has. Enterprise was the ad-free version for a while there, but I think it’s just as bad as Pro now.
Just installed an update to 10 2 days ago to find that it had installed Copilot and put an icon for it on my taskbar. Stuff like this is why 10 will be my last version of Windows.
Can’t wait to see what industries that handle sensitive data will do when Recall becomes an integrated part of Windows 11. They might have no choice but to migrate to Linux.
Been doing that for the past 15 years or so, being able to use group policy is essential with Windows. I’m pretty sure my son really wants to upgrade his last computer (to Linux), but I may have more work to convince the wife.
I always just bought grey market keys (for Pro/Enterprise), in nearly 20 years I never had one fail or quit working randomly.
Oh they aren’t shared, he is holding out because he believes he’ll have gaming issues; my wife on the other hand, just doesn’t want to make the switch yet.
I probably could have phrased it better.
Edit: when I had said ‘his last computer’, meant that he just has one left on Windows.
Okay?.. like, I get the point. But you’re telling me Linux does literally nothing you don’t want out of the box? It’s like saying “Run sudo rm -rf / —no-preserve-root and see what happens on Linux.”
W11, some bullshit popover sidebar thing that takes up actually (Literally? Factually?) 50% of my desktop that tells me about the NASDAQ, the weather, some “local” roadworks in the next city over (when my street has roadworks blocking some significant traffic lights in the literal capital of my country), some recommendations for games, a shopping ad, and some bullshit news headlines that I don’t care about.
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I just had to use a Windows machine 10 minutes ago for the first time in 3 years. I hated it. I won’t be doing that again until I have to.
Good timing honestly. The only reason I kept a Windows machine around was for gaming. Now we have much better support across the board.
Yeah because everyone knows once a company drops LTS the software becomes completely unusable!!!
Lack of security updates should be a concern to you, yes.
On my Windows 11 machine I just uninstalled Copilot via the normal app uninstall process. Unless I’m misunderstanding, I don’t think it’s tied into the OS in any fundamental way. I assume most debloating scripts include the step anyway.
Kinda crap that it’s installed by default though.
I uninstalled copilot after an update installed it, on win 10
Enjoy it while you can. Recall is going to be a hard dependency of the new file explorer because of… reasons.
Gonna get to enjoy some reg edits on that machine then!
Edit: So I just looked at that machine that is set to take all new updates, and it doesn’t look to be installed like it is for that guy in the video. However, it looks like this machine hasn’t picked up 24H2 yet, which is strange as I thought it was meant to be worldwide now?
MS really can’t make stuff easy.
If you have any anti-cheat software on your PC, then the update is paused. Basically because it fucks it up.
With anti-cheat being one of the major things causing games to be Windows dependant, that is hilarious.
Imagine jumping through all those hoops because Microsoft sabotages your property against you, when your could just use Linux and have it respect your rights as its owner instead.
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Windows users trying to make their adware delivery platform strapped to a program loader usable (I can install my operating system faster then they can install a program)
I’m just happy I only need to use it on one PC ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Linux users trying to get a USB device that isn’t a mouse, keyboard, or data storage working on their OS (the hardware drivers don’t support Linux)
Any devices, that do not work on any of my machines:
Any devices, that did not work out of the box on any of my machines and needed a seperate package (I use a distro without any preinstalled drivers): Fingerprint sensor, NVidia GPU (only for gaming, it does work just not very performant)
Any devices, that did work out of the box: Every mouse (including the PowerPlay mousepad), every keyboard, headphones, cameras, printers/scanners, touchpads, game controllers
Bonus: Android to Linux OTG networking in both directions
Any devices that do not work with Windows: Scanner, Touchpad (in the installer), Bonus: Intel Rapid Storage Technology
I found the opposite. Even my obsure printer that needed tons of windows tweaks and drivers just worked on Linux.
The only device that needed help was a 6-axis 3D mouse. Linux saw it as a mouse/tablet xy input. But Windows needs drivers for it to function. They had a Linux driver for it, so I installed that to get the 6axis working.
This is false. Please do not spread misinformation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1g1jjfl/no_windows_recall_is_not_required_on_24h2/
Doesn’t matter. Windows 11 sucks bigly without Copilot as it is.
Okay then there should be no reason to spread misinformation about it.
From what I understand others more knowledgeable than I am have said that person tried some nonsense where he gutted files from the OS that may have included dependencies for explorer.exe so if what Microsuck says is still true you can disable the screenshot function of recall and whatever other privacy settings you want and you’ll still be able to use your PC.
I really hope that’s true because I honestly don’t want to have to go to Linux and play IT guy constantly when I’m just trying to play a game or something after work. However much Microsuck sucks, windows almost always just works and the rare times I have an issue so many people use windows that I can easily find a fix.
I don’t wanna touch grass! Don’t make me! Lol
Linux isn’t that bad these days unless you want to use something silly and not supported by the manufacturers, like nVidia’s Optimus or other crap. Even then, the linux folks have it figured out. You can get step by step instructions for about any issue, even the complicated weird shit like Optimus.
I didn’t even bother. On the machines I have with Win 11 it’s either not installed or functional but entirely optional. That whole recall feature never got implemented and honestly at this point I don’t know if it’ll ever be.
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I’d go with Bazzite, which is what SteamOS and Fedora Atomic Desktop would look like if they had a child.
Is it much different to something like Pop_OS? I usually hear of Bazzite as a third-party ROG Ally OS.
Having not used Pop, I can’t say for certain, but its likely pretty similar depending on the version of the image you use.
Kubuntu crapped out on me after updating, so I tried a few other distros. Bazzite refused to install, but OpenSUSE Tumbleweed has made a really good first impression.
That’s a great distro, used it for quite a while as someone who switches distros somewhat often
Mushroom mushroom
Snake! Oh no, it’s a snake!
I agree with all your points.
The invasion of Crappilot is so close!
Copilot is not an issue, it’s Recall that could send screenshots of all files and folders to Microsoft.
Even if they don’t send data, it is a treasure trove for a hacker to get. Such a terrible idea MS came up with.
Co-pilot tries to infect W10 too. Showed up on my taskbar the other day and I nearly shit. Just because it’s off your taskbar, doesn’t mean it isn’t running processes. W10 is on life support at this point.
There are registry keys you can use to completely disable Copilot.
on windows 11 the story is different its a dependency of file explorer
Copilot as well? I thought it was that recall thing that was part of explorer
Oops I got copilot confused sorry
Thought I’d missed something, TY. Just give it time and they will integrate it if enough of us keep removing it
Ngl I Don’t want Microsoft to use my personal images and train them on ai I donno if they do that
The LSTC edition has a few more years in it… but I wouldn’t do MASS in a GRAVE… ehr, I mean - fuck.
Look, just search for “MassGrave” on GitHub.
doesnt the ltsc version target enterprises and stuff and you cant just use your home/pro license you need a whole diff license and many anticheats and steam will end support for 10 once it ends support
…did you search “MassGrave”?
oh yeah ik but i meant legit ways
LTSC is “only” available through an enterprise licensing through Microsoft or its partners, which means you can probably ask a company or organization for one of their volume keys, and will probably be the only Windows where you can permanently disable Recall…
Like seriously, I had problems disabling telemetry in Windows 10 Pro because it kept re-enabling them, but not in the LTSC version.
ohhhh i thought you pay for it normally it kinda makes sense tho but yh
i just updated. https://www.startallback.com/ fixed most of my issues along with https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
shame we have to do it, but even with Linux I have to do a bunch of stuff to make it more usable though at least it wont spy on you by default
Honestly I downgraded to 10 earlier this year. Then the windows 11 update came out that boosts Ryzen performance, well my happy ass couldn’t miss out on them gains. So back to 11 I went.
My PC is pretty much strictly used for gaming so more power is more power.
I immediately de-bloated once I was updated.
You guys do realize that you can remove copilot from Windows 11 with a simple regedit or group policy editor tweak, right? Takes like 10 seconds…
And you can skip most of the bullshit by setting up Windows using English UK instead of English USA (and then you can adjust your regional settings and keyboard however you prefer)
Or… don’t use copilot.
It’s too easy for them to turn back on without me realizing it, and I’m not going to tolerate having to be that vigilant against something, my own computer, which has absolutely no reason to be hostile to me.
And you can’t afford to fuck this one up. Microsoft Recall isn’t just a virus, it’s worse than just about any other virus. “Did you forget to double check Microsoft’s bullshit on the wrong day lol enjoy your keylogger”
Is copilot regionalised? I’m in NZ and have been running Windows 11 for a year or so, and have never seen copilot appear.
You know damn well how ridiculous that sounds. And if this is the answer to removing Copilot, no thanks. Linux works perfectly fine for me and my gaming needs.
For now, until MS locks that downvlike they have with other things
Until they lobby to get laws changed, many companies have legal requirements regarding PII that mean serious fines if CoPilot or Recall ever turn on in their environment (and if they’re caught of course).
Windows is not going to fuck this up and force this on, handing easy legal wins against them to the world. They will have the normal configuration options available that they always do for features with potential legal liability attached.
Did you miss the recent security blunder with Government security and Microsoft? They didn’t want to tell governments of a secuirty hole in case it meant lowers sales.
yah, i have linux on all my devices save one and ive found ways to get win11 to just work without the bullshit.
it just takes about as much effort to learn systemd syntax because everything became the systemd singularity.
in 24h2 they made it worse its a dependency of explorer which breaks tabbing and stuff
The amount of times that windows “features” come back after I disable them via GPO on Windows 10 Entrerprise tells me that this isn’t true.
The irony that setting up Windows now requires more command line use than Linux in 2024.
If you’re using Enterprise on a personal machine, you’ve messed something up. There are other ways beyond Group Policy in that environment that are probably causing what you’re seeing. SCCM, Intune, Policies over the network vs local… that significantly raises the chances of something else stepping on your local Group Policies.
I’ve not had that problem on either of my Win 10 Pro machines when using Group Policy to disable things, over the last four years.
It’s been a year since I’ve uninstalled Windows, but I believe Windows 10 Pro does not have access to the stronger GPO policies that enterprise has. Enterprise was the ad-free version for a while there, but I think it’s just as bad as Pro now.
Just installed an update to 10 2 days ago to find that it had installed Copilot and put an icon for it on my taskbar. Stuff like this is why 10 will be my last version of Windows.
Can’t wait to see what industries that handle sensitive data will do when Recall becomes an integrated part of Windows 11. They might have no choice but to migrate to Linux.
They will pay for enterprise licenses and be able to disable and delete it.
Only us plebs get whipped.
Exactly. Group policies give lots of control to mass enable/disable features.
It’s one of the reasons to pirate Enterprise Windows instead of Home/Pro, so you can write your own group policies for your own device.
Been doing that for the past 15 years or so, being able to use group policy is essential with Windows. I’m pretty sure my son really wants to upgrade his last computer (to Linux), but I may have more work to convince the wife.
I always just bought grey market keys (for Pro/Enterprise), in nearly 20 years I never had one fail or quit working randomly.
Why would your wife need to be convinced?
When my gf buys a new laptop she hands it to me and says:
Mine Linuxes it herself and has strong distro preferences.
Because she still like the familiarity of Windows. She doesn’t do anything specific to Windows, just doesn’t want to leave it yet.
I thought it was your son’s computer, not a shared one
Oh they aren’t shared, he is holding out because he believes he’ll have gaming issues; my wife on the other hand, just doesn’t want to make the switch yet.
I probably could have phrased it better.
Edit: when I had said ‘his last computer’, meant that he just has one left on Windows.
Can’t really move to Linux if I have to make software for Windows since the majority of people won’t move to Linux.
app support on linux aint half bad but definitely there is alot of professional apps missing
Go to press Windows + W and see what happens on Windows 11
Okay?.. like, I get the point. But you’re telling me Linux does literally nothing you don’t want out of the box? It’s like saying “Run
sudo rm -rf / —no-preserve-rootand see what happens on Linux.”W10… Nothing.
W11, some bullshit popover sidebar thing that takes up actually (Literally? Factually?) 50% of my desktop that tells me about the NASDAQ, the weather, some “local” roadworks in the next city over (when my street has roadworks blocking some significant traffic lights in the literal capital of my country), some recommendations for games, a shopping ad, and some bullshit news headlines that I don’t care about.