Sony’s controversial PlayStation Network requirement for its PC games is once again in the spotlight after the company delisted the original Horizon Zero Dawn on Steam and the Epic Games Store and added the PSN requirement to the upcoming single-player remaster.
WHY TF IS HORIZON ZERO DAWN GETTING AN REMASTER!?!?!
WHAT IS THE POINT?
What stupid idiot thought this was a good idea???
And that bloody price tag!
€50 for accessibility features and slightly better performance? Why… Why is this a successful way to make money? …
I… I’m sad now.
I think they are actually asking, “if this is such an obviously stupid move, and there aren’t enough stupid people to buy the game, why would Sony even bother working on this?”.
Either the costs were incredibly low, or they figure they will profit off the data they collect enough to make up for it, in my opinion.
I don’t think so, a lot of people just want “the best” and don’t need to actually have quantifiable reasons why it’s “the best.” Spending $50 or whatever to get “the best” isn’t really a concern when you’re mostly looking to max out your $10k gaming PC.
Whether there are enough of those to cover the development costs here is another question, but since they eliminated the alternative, even those who are “smart enough” don’t have a realistic alternative.
I guess for those that hadnt already bought the game yet, since the addon is only 10$. I don’t know, id be interested to see if they go positive or negative on this game specifically.
They’re competing with PC now and simultaneously trying to turn this into a vector to convert people to PS5. It won’t work, but the fact that there are PC versions at all show how they can’t just do what they want with impunity.
It’ll be interesting to see what Sony will do considering they’re not going to pull PC players to PS and PC ports open to door to piracy which is definitely going to increase with the PSN shit. I doubt the PSN data is so valuable they’re just going to let people pirate their games. Either they’re going to pull out the PC market to prevent piracy or they’re going to get rid of the PSN for PC. The latter makes too much sense so it’s probably going to be the former.
Nah, they said sorry, they didn’t do anything different. They still restricted the purchase regions of the game to those that can get PSN. I expect a return of the PSN requirement for Helldivers 2 eventually.
Nintendo and Rockstar don’t make trash. Neither does Sony for that matter. People just don’t like how they’re treating their customers. HZD is amazing and I’d gladly buy it again on PC, but I’m not interested in rewarding this data gathering behavior.
I’m running the gog version through wine with disabled networking for that container and it works perfectly. I forgot that the game has a telemetry option until I read this. Pick it up on gog, it goes for ~10€ every time they have a sale.
Sadly, based on reviews for the game on GOG, while the game is technically DRM-free (in that it doesn’t Emily any of the traditional DRM like Denuvo), it still requests either full or limited data collection.
It requests it but doesn’t require it. True, you need to select “limited” or “full” but you could just disable the network or firewall it. I run it in a container without networking on linux mint and it works perfectly.
I don’t see how they could capitalize on this specific bullshit other than to just keep on keeping on and not joining Sony in requiring a new login for a service you, as a PC player, might not even give a shit about.
Unless they can get away with porting Bloodborne to PC or something… 🤔
To be fair, if you only want to pay 15-20 for nearly any game no matter the quality, you will have to wait quite a long time. In most cases the Sony PC ports have been excellent games though, so it’s not like its a ripoff like in other instances.
Problem is, the games are fun.
Had a hell of a time with the second game, and unleashed the 100%er in me
Edit:
The games are genuinely high quality, with interesting and constantly evolving mechanics and often good stories.
That’s not something you see in big titles anymore.
The ironic part is that Sony is likely collecting data for internal reasons more than anything. They hold themselves to a high standard. I wouldn’t doubt though that they have considered profiting from end user data in other ways though, just not to the same extent as American companies do.
I feel the argument is a little different when it comes to physical goods.
Stealing a Nestlé product takes away revenue just like if it were left on the shelf, never purchased, and discarded by the shop. The main benefit there is the edible portion of the product doesn’t end up in a landfill.
If more people held themselves accountable, these products wouldn’t exist. I know it can be an awkward situation to deny a gift for ethical reasons. Kudos to you.
Sony hasn’t done the paperwork to officially do business in those countries, so you can’t make a psn account. And because Sony is intent on forcing psn accounts, it leads to this stupid situation where those countries are locked out, despite Steam supporting them.
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Wait a minute.
WHY TF IS HORIZON ZERO DAWN GETTING AN REMASTER!?!?!
WHAT IS THE POINT? What stupid idiot thought this was a good idea???
And that bloody price tag! €50 for accessibility features and slightly better performance? Why… Why is this a successful way to make money? … I… I’m sad now.
I’d pay $10 to forget facial animations of the original one.
I’ve got a bat. It may take a few tries, and you might forget some other things, but you get what you pay for.
Another option is alcohol. Repeat doses until you get the desired effect.
Because if they remaster it, they can also remaster the price.
Which is probably why they’ve pulled all the old versions.
I think they are actually asking, “if this is such an obviously stupid move, and there aren’t enough stupid people to buy the game, why would Sony even bother working on this?”.
Either the costs were incredibly low, or they figure they will profit off the data they collect enough to make up for it, in my opinion.
I think there are enough stupid people.
Possible, surely. Gamers are pretty well informed these days though. And the original game looks beautiful already.
The people who would care about the graphical difference would know enough to know how stupid this is right?
I don’t think so, a lot of people just want “the best” and don’t need to actually have quantifiable reasons why it’s “the best.” Spending $50 or whatever to get “the best” isn’t really a concern when you’re mostly looking to max out your $10k gaming PC.
Whether there are enough of those to cover the development costs here is another question, but since they eliminated the alternative, even those who are “smart enough” don’t have a realistic alternative.
I guess for those that hadnt already bought the game yet, since the addon is only 10$. I don’t know, id be interested to see if they go positive or negative on this game specifically.
This happens when there is a lack of competition. If MS didn’t shit the bed with xbox in this generation, Sony would be trying harder
Sony is competing with Microsoft, Nintendo, and PC. Which of those demands multiple accounts and always online DRM?
They’re competing with PC now and simultaneously trying to turn this into a vector to convert people to PS5. It won’t work, but the fact that there are PC versions at all show how they can’t just do what they want with impunity.
It’ll be interesting to see what Sony will do considering they’re not going to pull PC players to PS and PC ports open to door to piracy which is definitely going to increase with the PSN shit. I doubt the PSN data is so valuable they’re just going to let people pirate their games. Either they’re going to pull out the PC market to prevent piracy or they’re going to get rid of the PSN for PC. The latter makes too much sense so it’s probably going to be the former.
After investing in Nixxes, I doubt it.
They’re really digging in on this shit, huh? Here’s hoping enough people pass on their games because of it that Sony regrets the decision.
I remember being “sorry” for doing so to Helldivers 2 🤣
Nah, they said sorry, they didn’t do anything different. They still restricted the purchase regions of the game to those that can get PSN. I expect a return of the PSN requirement for Helldivers 2 eventually.
What do they gain from this shitty policy?
Angry players? 180 less countries buying their games? Padded PSN account numbers?
Enshititifaction.
Tons of non-Sony games to play on PC. If I never play a new Sony game ever again it truly won’t be a loss.
Sony, Microsoft, Ubisoft, ea, Activision/Blizzard, rockstar, Nintendo and Square Enix will never see a dime from me until they change face.
I will never pay for anything they produce. it’s all trash.
Nintendo and Rockstar don’t make trash. Neither does Sony for that matter. People just don’t like how they’re treating their customers. HZD is amazing and I’d gladly buy it again on PC, but I’m not interested in rewarding this data gathering behavior.
For real, up until Horizon, I had never played a Sony game at all. What a shame. For them.
Kinda wanted to pick the game up at some point. Weird, I seem to have suddenly lost all interest. Huh.
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Get the original on GOG without DRM or forced PSN.
Game still requires either full or limited data collection in order to play. It apparently asks you for permission after the intro cutscene.
I’m running the gog version through wine with disabled networking for that container and it works perfectly. I forgot that the game has a telemetry option until I read this. Pick it up on gog, it goes for ~10€ every time they have a sale.
Ok. I’ll still play the game with no PSN. They’ll just not get any money x it. 🤷♀️
I knew Sony would double down on this shit. They always make these stupid business decisions.
Nahhh, not like they have a history of being shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ
We are talking about the company that installed rootkit back in the age of CDs.
It’s sad because they actually had a fairly decent run with their PC ports until now.
Wow, I was going to argue by bringing up the atrocious performance of The Last of Us, but looking at reviews, it seems all its major issues got fixed.
Now you can argue by bringing up Until Dawn’s port instead from what I’ve seen
The ports itself are good. It’s the suits are fucking shit up. Typical capitalism enshittification story.
Cool. I force a no-psn-requirement for games that I buy.
There is no psn requirement for this game (on the gog version at least)
Edit: Looks like the game is still on GOG without PSN requirment.
Sadly, based on reviews for the game on GOG, while the game is technically DRM-free (in that it doesn’t Emily any of the traditional DRM like Denuvo), it still requests either full or limited data collection.
It requests it but doesn’t require it. True, you need to select “limited” or “full” but you could just disable the network or firewall it. I run it in a container without networking on linux mint and it works perfectly.
Why we need psn for offline game on PC ?
Microsoft should find a way to capitalize on this. Sony is really fumbling here.
Don’t they do it too? (I don’t know because I don’t have a PC)
I don’t see how they could capitalize on this specific bullshit other than to just keep on keeping on and not joining Sony in requiring a new login for a service you, as a PC player, might not even give a shit about.
Unless they can get away with porting Bloodborne to PC or something… 🤔
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*Charging cable sold separately
Yo fucking ho my boys
So glad I didn’t buy any Sony PC port yet. I will pirate every single one of them.
Just don’t play them at all. Pirating still gives their games attention that will lead to extra sales when compared to a complete flop.
They are great games and I want to play them. Their pricing policies just suck.
To be fair, if you only want to pay 15-20 for nearly any game no matter the quality, you will have to wait quite a long time. In most cases the Sony PC ports have been excellent games though, so it’s not like its a ripoff like in other instances.
Problem is, the games are fun. Had a hell of a time with the second game, and unleashed the 100%er in me
Edit: The games are genuinely high quality, with interesting and constantly evolving mechanics and often good stories. That’s not something you see in big titles anymore.
The ironic part is that Sony is likely collecting data for internal reasons more than anything. They hold themselves to a high standard. I wouldn’t doubt though that they have considered profiting from end user data in other ways though, just not to the same extent as American companies do.
I want to play them. Sony PC ports are objectively good games. Maybe you subjectively don’t like some but you are a minority.
They lost sales from me. Given time, I would probably buy all of them. I usually always buy games. I have 800 games on Steam.
Nestlé products taste good. Does my Nestlé boycott still count if I steel it?
Only if you’re borrowing the hot chocolate and allow them to walk into your kitchen and repossess it whenever they want.
I feel the argument is a little different when it comes to physical goods.
Stealing a Nestlé product takes away revenue just like if it were left on the shelf, never purchased, and discarded by the shop. The main benefit there is the edible portion of the product doesn’t end up in a landfill.
It’s the same when I look at my dignity. When I boycott a company or a specific product, I don’t even want it for free.
No more Rolo, even when it is a gift.
If more people held themselves accountable, these products wouldn’t exist. I know it can be an awkward situation to deny a gift for ethical reasons. Kudos to you.
What would you say to vegan activists that break into farms and steal animals? That’s wrong too because they are boycotting the meat industry?
l would say it’s dumb because more animals get harmed that way, because the missing animals will get replaced.
Are you saying you wouldn’t steal from Nestle?
I wouldn’t steel from anybody, but if you want to make it the lorry problem, yes I would rather steal from an evil company than a less evil.
Doesn’t mean I start stealing.
Only if you steal directly from Nestle.
How does this differ from a forced Microsoft login in eg. Forza Horizon 4 or Halo?
this is why
Keep in mind that microsoft services are restricted in a lot of countries too.
176 countries? wtf, why?
Sony hasn’t done the paperwork to officially do business in those countries, so you can’t make a psn account. And because Sony is intent on forcing psn accounts, it leads to this stupid situation where those countries are locked out, despite Steam supporting them.
Totally missed that part. That is nuts. Thanks
I never played this game; is it really so good that fans were clamoring for a re-release? What am I missing if anything?
Also, I may be misremembering when this was launched but isn’t it a bit early for a re-master on this one?
It’s good, but not good enough that I would be willing to have DRM on it. And yeah, it’s too new to have a remaster.