Seeing all the clips of Astro Bot was making me really want a PS5, despite the big price hike we got just last week where I am, then I saw this price and my desire for any PS5 curled up and died again.
The funniest part is my PS5 is collecting dust as it is. Played DeS remake, Ghost of Tsushima, and a Full Metal Panic PS4 game and haven’t touched it since.
Oh, I played Silent Hill The Short Message, but that was so cringe I wish I hadn’t played it at all. Soundtrack and monster design was good at least, but boy was the writing bad.
My PS4 last gen collected dust majority of the year and that had a way stronger library of actual exclusives games released for the system that weren’t remasters. So PS5 and it’s current library of exclusives ignoring that they get released to the PC has been sad. Not been an impressive generation.
A $379 PELADN HA-4 mini PC has 16GB DDR5 RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD a Ryzen 7 7840HS that easily beats a PS5 (it ties even a i9 11900K desktop in CPU benchmarks).
The APU on that thing runs most games on medium settings (like a PS5) at 60fps and the latest games as well as a non pro PS5. It’s a lot faster than a steam deck.
Who on earth needs a console for twice the price that performs worse or slightly better? If you are a tinkerer you can even upgrade that thing with an eGPU.
Radeon 780M with fast DDR5 and 8 core unlocked 5.1GHz CPU only has problems maintaining 30fps in Black Myth Wukong.
It runs circles around the non Pro PS5 in everything else. I wonder how the chinese did get it that cheap. I got one and almost can’t believe the value of that thing… The metal box is decent and temps are great. All that copper makes that thing quite heavy though.
Yea I agree, also the stick drift issues and raising the prices of controllers.
I wanted a ps5 for when gta6 came out, but with these prices, sticking with PC and waiting for the pc release.
That’s what I thought too. They test the waters for a much higher price point. I’m not buying it, if they price the PS6 above 500€ with a disc drive I say goodbye to console gaming.
120€ if you want the disc drive. That’s 920€ total. A new PS5 Slim with disc drive is less than 500€ and I’ve seen used PS5 Phat with disc drive on ebay for less than 350€.
Almost double the price for a bit nicer raytracing, 2TB and higher framerates in the very few games that don’t support at least 60fps is a very hefty asking price.
For 900€ you can get a pretty good gaming PC. If you buy some parts used, you can even get a really good rig for that price. You might just need to wait a few years until the latest sony exclusives make it to PC eventually.
I see a lot of outrage about the price. But really, what’s the alternative? Inflation has been nuts and most things are up. GPU alone would cost more than the console, if you’re building a pc.
I will say though, no disc drive is a real shit move. Just a few years ago it was like, “here’s the price, and here’s the price if you don’t want a disk drive.” Now it’s the opposite and that part is definitely annoying.
You’re not wrong. It’s far more powerful than any PC you can build for the same price. Everyone likes to complain on this platform, maybe more so than Reddit. Anything a company does to make money is down voted and called unreasonable.
“comparable gpu” is kinda loaded. I have a pc and a ps5, so I’m not trying to take sides. What gpu are you getting for 350 usd that games at the fps, quality, and resolution that the ps5 does?
The consoles are typically FSR2 upscaling from 1440p or lower. Plenty of games are down around 720p. Lets not pretend theyre doing 4k native on AAA titles. The pro isnt going to be native either, we need to see games and PSSR in action to see where it falls vs FSR, XESS, DLSS, and see what gpu is closest in performance. You can get a used RTX 3080 for 350-400 and i’ll be pleasantly surprised if PS5 Pro beats that level of performance.
Let’s suppose you are right for a moment, can the $350 buy a case, power supply, motherboard, CPU, RAM, hard disk that is on par with the PS5? GPU is only half the equation.
The alternatives is getting a PS4 and playing 98% of the PS5 games at 70-90% of the visual quality and 100% of the gameplay, plus all the PS4 games the PS5 doesn’t have.
Or just get a switch. You should already have a PC you can cheaply upgrade.
I agree, I don’t think there’s anything Sony can do about the cost. Manufacturing costs aren’t going down over time like they used to in the past. That’s why there haven’t been any price cuts this gen.
I think the PS5 Pro was just a doomed concept to begin with. There’s nothing they could do to make games look noticeably better without making the console outrageously expensive or requiring devs to do an unreasonable amount of work to support it.
The point in their presentation was having graphics modes be an immovable 60FPS instead of 30FPS. Presumably, every game with a performance mode (that was previously 60FPS) will now run at 120FPS. That’s effectively just doubling everything. It’s certainly not a bad product, but it isn’t for everyone.
Sony bought all the “Xbox is dead” talk (true or false doesn’t matter, Sony believes it), and has started the high-end gaming console monopoly pricing.
Because a PC at a $700 price point will not perform the way the PS5 pro will, or be guaranteed that level of performance on its games for nearly as long. You can always get a better PC for more money but even at $700 the value to performance ratio is there for consoles.
Honestly price isn’t an issue and the reason to go PS5 over PC is the ease of use. I can’t stand having to get up to use my mouse to click start game, or games that never implemented proper console support on PC for whatever reason. It’s just so much easier to have working HDR, Dolby Atmos, etc on a PS5 than it is with Steam big picture on a PC. I’ve tried it many times and there’s always some frustration with the PC on a home theater setup.
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That’s an insane price for a console, especially one without a disc drive.
Seeing all the clips of Astro Bot was making me really want a PS5, despite the big price hike we got just last week where I am, then I saw this price and my desire for any PS5 curled up and died again.
There’s still the regular PS5 though
Which literally just had a surprise price hike last week where I am that makes it cost more than my rent. The fourth price hike.
The greedy price hikes were why I had decided not to get a PS5 in the first place, and this price took me right back to that.
Oof, dang. Might be with buying a broken unit and refurbishing it
I knew it was going to be the PS3 launch pricing all over again lol
What, you don’t want to get a second job just to afford a gaming console? 😂
The funniest part is my PS5 is collecting dust as it is. Played DeS remake, Ghost of Tsushima, and a Full Metal Panic PS4 game and haven’t touched it since.
Oh, I played Silent Hill The Short Message, but that was so cringe I wish I hadn’t played it at all. Soundtrack and monster design was good at least, but boy was the writing bad.
My PS4 last gen collected dust majority of the year and that had a way stronger library of actual exclusives games released for the system that weren’t remasters. So PS5 and it’s current library of exclusives ignoring that they get released to the PC has been sad. Not been an impressive generation.
Not even close. The PS3 launch price (For the base model mind you, not even a pro model) adjusted for inflation would be over $900 today.
$700, disc drive sold separately for $80. Wtf is Sony smoking. Even the vertical stand is an extra $30. It’s a good day to be a PC gamer.
A $379 PELADN HA-4 mini PC has 16GB DDR5 RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD a Ryzen 7 7840HS that easily beats a PS5 (it ties even a i9 11900K desktop in CPU benchmarks).
The APU on that thing runs most games on medium settings (like a PS5) at 60fps and the latest games as well as a non pro PS5. It’s a lot faster than a steam deck.
Who on earth needs a console for twice the price that performs worse or slightly better? If you are a tinkerer you can even upgrade that thing with an eGPU.
Radeon 780M with fast DDR5 and 8 core unlocked 5.1GHz CPU only has problems maintaining 30fps in Black Myth Wukong.
It runs circles around the non Pro PS5 in everything else. I wonder how the chinese did get it that cheap. I got one and almost can’t believe the value of that thing… The metal box is decent and temps are great. All that copper makes that thing quite heavy though.
Yea I agree, also the stick drift issues and raising the prices of controllers. I wanted a ps5 for when gta6 came out, but with these prices, sticking with PC and waiting for the pc release.
800€ in Europe, that’s a hard NO. Plus devs will still target the PS5 for optimising their games. This release was completely unnecessary.
The only reason why it exists is perhaps to try to normalise the higher prices for the PS 6.
That’s what I thought too. They test the waters for a much higher price point. I’m not buying it, if they price the PS6 above 500€ with a disc drive I say goodbye to console gaming.
Almost double the price for a bit nicer raytracing, 2TB and higher framerates in the very few games that don’t support at least 60fps is a very hefty asking price.
For 900€ you can get a pretty good gaming PC. If you buy some parts used, you can even get a really good rig for that price. You might just need to wait a few years until the latest sony exclusives make it to PC eventually.
I see a lot of outrage about the price. But really, what’s the alternative? Inflation has been nuts and most things are up. GPU alone would cost more than the console, if you’re building a pc.
I will say though, no disc drive is a real shit move. Just a few years ago it was like, “here’s the price, and here’s the price if you don’t want a disk drive.” Now it’s the opposite and that part is definitely annoying.
You’re not wrong. It’s far more powerful than any PC you can build for the same price. Everyone likes to complain on this platform, maybe more so than Reddit. Anything a company does to make money is down voted and called unreasonable.
There’s not many models that expensive. A comparable GPU to the PS5 Pro’s is around half the cost
“comparable gpu” is kinda loaded. I have a pc and a ps5, so I’m not trying to take sides. What gpu are you getting for 350 usd that games at the fps, quality, and resolution that the ps5 does?
I was thinking between 7600 XT and 7700 XT or 4060 and 4060 TI.
7700XT and 4060ti aren’t retailing for 350USD and you’re not getting 4k 60fps at the fidelity the PS5 pro is doing.
The consoles are typically FSR2 upscaling from 1440p or lower. Plenty of games are down around 720p. Lets not pretend theyre doing 4k native on AAA titles. The pro isnt going to be native either, we need to see games and PSSR in action to see where it falls vs FSR, XESS, DLSS, and see what gpu is closest in performance. You can get a used RTX 3080 for 350-400 and i’ll be pleasantly surprised if PS5 Pro beats that level of performance.
Let’s suppose you are right for a moment, can the $350 buy a case, power supply, motherboard, CPU, RAM, hard disk that is on par with the PS5? GPU is only half the equation.
The alternatives is getting a PS4 and playing 98% of the PS5 games at 70-90% of the visual quality and 100% of the gameplay, plus all the PS4 games the PS5 doesn’t have.
Or just get a switch. You should already have a PC you can cheaply upgrade.
This. I never got a PS5 and it hasn’t impacted me at almost at all. Everything I’ve wanted to play has also come out of PS4 and plays just fine.
Your comment is more a reflection on the choice of console rather than discussing the price. Pc upgrades are not always that cheap, either.
Thankfully this list is small enough that you can just ignore it:
https://www.playstation.com/support/games/ps5-backward-compatibility-games/#only
I got a new Dual Shok 4 and SSD this year lol
I agree, I don’t think there’s anything Sony can do about the cost. Manufacturing costs aren’t going down over time like they used to in the past. That’s why there haven’t been any price cuts this gen.
I think the PS5 Pro was just a doomed concept to begin with. There’s nothing they could do to make games look noticeably better without making the console outrageously expensive or requiring devs to do an unreasonable amount of work to support it.
If a product doesn’t make sense, invest in other products instead. First party games. Psvr2 is all but abandoned,
I was doing just fine until FF7 Rebirth. Bastards got me.
Rebirth was amazing, can’t wait for the next one!
I never thought the PS5 was underpowered. This is kind of a product without a need.
The point in their presentation was having graphics modes be an immovable 60FPS instead of 30FPS. Presumably, every game with a performance mode (that was previously 60FPS) will now run at 120FPS. That’s effectively just doubling everything. It’s certainly not a bad product, but it isn’t for everyone.
I think lots of games would hit a cpu bottleneck before they reach 120 fps
Sony bought all the “Xbox is dead” talk (true or false doesn’t matter, Sony believes it), and has started the high-end gaming console monopoly pricing.
Why not go PC at this point. Modern consoles are locked pre-built PCs and paying $700 for a locked system is crazy.
Because a PC at a $700 price point will not perform the way the PS5 pro will, or be guaranteed that level of performance on its games for nearly as long. You can always get a better PC for more money but even at $700 the value to performance ratio is there for consoles.
Honestly price isn’t an issue and the reason to go PS5 over PC is the ease of use. I can’t stand having to get up to use my mouse to click start game, or games that never implemented proper console support on PC for whatever reason. It’s just so much easier to have working HDR, Dolby Atmos, etc on a PS5 than it is with Steam big picture on a PC. I’ve tried it many times and there’s always some frustration with the PC on a home theater setup.
Steamdeck + Dock and you can game on your TV AND on your travels.
I am definitely not saying boo urns.
That is a ridiculous price for a games console.
And PC gamers can stop looking smug because GPU prices make that unreasonable as well.
We need to rethink raytracing, because chasing it has just made everything unaffordable.