It’s nice Bethesda wants to pull a Cyberpunk, but Starfield at it’s core just isn’t as good. I’m all for some redeeming updates though, because at least there would be something to come back to
Nakey Jakey recently did a super indepth video on what is wrong with Starfield. And suffice it to say, I’ve removed the game from my wishlist. There’s betterr games to spend my money on.
Man, if they release a “pokemon emerald” version of starfield and slap a goty title on it, that just confirms the company only breathes in order to try and blow smoke up our asses
I should probably pick this up when it’s on sale. I bought it on release after playing CyberPunk with ray tracing and asked for a refund after playing for 20 minutes because it just looked like garbage in comparison.
Part of the reason why Bethesda games visually looks bad is because their tied to the hip with creation engine for modders to use. Part of the reason why bethesda games have soo many mods is because of how much of the games engine is open to modders to modify.
I agree. I was fine with it for Skyrim and Fallout 4 but after getting used to how gorgeous CP2077 was, the difference was jarring for a AAA title in 2023.
The thing is, cyberpunk also has mod support, and it’s pretty good, I use a climbing mod, a drone mancer class mod, and before the 2.1 update it already had a metro system via mod.
I’d say “i will pick it up on a sale in a year or two” but they’re just going to release the enhanced / special / anniversary / superspace edition down the line too, so why bother
Thank corporate morons forcing devs to the door to meet ridiculous timelines, they don’t give a fuck if it’s ready or not.
I’m a SWE and my manager would tell me shit like “even Apple pushed out the iPhone with some bugs”, “at some point you have to wrap it and ship it”, etc. Mgmt uses this bullshit to feel better about their (or their bosses) poorly balanced priorities and decisions.
It’s all about announce early, bag as much interest and money as possible and then ship it regardless if it’s reached the definition of done or not (you better believe mgmt will throw those goalposts around as they see fit)
Pre-ordering morons hold some blame here as well as they play right into the bullshit I’m talking about
God, what a dick sucking award. Cyberpunk may be playable now, but it did fuck all to deserve that.
Better games launched excellent and got better with age. Launching to get removed from online stores and taking years to reach playable is not the best ongoing anything.
It truly was a Great Gamer Gaslighting after that anime was released. Suddenly, cyberpunk was a work of art and everyone wanted to revisit it to see places from the anime. They hadn’t even done much to fix it yet at that point, and may even have still been dealing with legal stuff from all the stuff they promised that wasn’t in the game.
The PR turn around with that game was wild to watch, it happened almost overnight. And Gamerz TM did it to themselves.
Honestly I let my Gamepass lapse and was considering re-upping it to play Starfield. And now I am for sure not going to re-up it for Starfield. Maybe I’ll visit it in a few years, but it sounds like not a great time from Nakey Jakey’s review on it.
I mean, the only thing that’s really needed is the standard access to the creation kit. After that, I think modders can polish it up to competency, although flying to planets might be outside the abilities of the engine. I think anyone still hoping Starfield is going to be a good space game need to stop dreaming and go back to Elite/No Mans Sky/Waiting for Star Citizen, but there were some really elaborate mods for New Vegas and Skyrim back in the day. Maybe someone dedicated and talented enough could even fix that.
The trick is that they want paid mods so they can do nothing and get a decade of profit. Consider that many of the mods on Nexus have millions of unique downloads.
Even if they charge 3 bucks a mod and get a third of it, that’s tens of millions of dollars with zero effort on their part.
But the primary issue is that the current modding framework they’re pushing onto Skyrim doesn’t support framework mods, so none of the big mods Skyrim is known for, and have kept it alive so long, could happen.
And that people will hopefully riot about paid mods again. The Skyrim framework flew under the radar because of clever timing. There’s no way it goes un-noticed on their newest flagship game.
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It’s nice Bethesda wants to pull a Cyberpunk, but Starfield at it’s core just isn’t as good. I’m all for some redeeming updates though, because at least there would be something to come back to
The main feature I want is better optimization. It’s really not good still and I’ve played with the settings more than I wanted to
Last months patch did a lot for optimization, especially on the cpu and non amd gpu builds, seeing double digit gains.
Nakey Jakey recently did a super indepth video on what is wrong with Starfield. And suffice it to say, I’ve removed the game from my wishlist. There’s betterr games to spend my money on.
It’s almost always better to wait on Bethesda titles and buy the goty/complete edition a few years later.
Maybe it’s time to just stop giving Bethesda money all together. Or until they start releasing games when they’re finished.
Guess that could be said about any AAA company though
Man, if they release a “pokemon emerald” version of starfield and slap a goty title on it, that just confirms the company only breathes in order to try and blow smoke up our asses
If you too have an unhealthy relationship with absurdly long video essays, I’d point you in the direction of PatricianTV’s Starfield analysis.
I desperately want to watch his 8 hour analysis of Starfield but am scared of the commitment.
Advice for consumption Patrician himself posted on his 24-hr Skyrim analysis:
Commenting a timestamp is a nice way to get “engagement” for the algorithm.
Absolutely but it is also far more reliable than however YouTube tracks your progress. A win-win.
I agree.
I for one absolutely do, thanks for the rec
You’re very welcome. If you get the chance, let me know what you thought of it.
I should probably pick this up when it’s on sale. I bought it on release after playing CyberPunk with ray tracing and asked for a refund after playing for 20 minutes because it just looked like garbage in comparison.
Part of the reason why Bethesda games visually looks bad is because their tied to the hip with creation engine for modders to use. Part of the reason why bethesda games have soo many mods is because of how much of the games engine is open to modders to modify.
I agree. I was fine with it for Skyrim and Fallout 4 but after getting used to how gorgeous CP2077 was, the difference was jarring for a AAA title in 2023.
The thing is, cyberpunk also has mod support, and it’s pretty good, I use a climbing mod, a drone mancer class mod, and before the 2.1 update it already had a metro system via mod.
It pales in conparison to what modders do with bethesda games.
Modders can legitamately put other games into a bethesdasoft title (tale of two wastelands, skyblivion, morrowblivion, skywind)
Take for example, the games let you outright add your own physics engine.
Glad to see they’re still improving it. When I get the Ultra Game of the Year Turbo Deluxe edition for $20 in years to come, I no doubt will enjoy it.
i didnt play new vegas until the ultimate edition was 5 bucks at wal mart. thankfully avoiding the horrid bugs it had on launch
I’m gonna wait for the Ultra Game of the Year Turbo Deluxe edition Complete
For TheComputerV2
Can’t forget the Ultra Game of the Year Turbo Deluxe Complete Anniversary edition, now with built-in mods.
At the same time, I’ll be spending my $20 to buy Skyrim again so I can run it on my toaster.
Soooo… they are working with the unpaid modders to make more content they’ll surely charge for.
SOOOOO glad Sony didn’t buy that garbage.
Why does it matter to you what Sony buys?
Why does what matters to me, matter to you?
It doesn’t matter to me. I am just curious as to why it matters to you.
It doesn’t matter to me. I’m just glad Sony didn’t buy them out.
Why does it matter?
It’s just weird, that’s all.
what?
Starfield is a fucking joke.
I’d say “i will pick it up on a sale in a year or two” but they’re just going to release the enhanced / special / anniversary / superspace edition down the line too, so why bother
it’s like AAA games are only early access these days
Thank corporate morons forcing devs to the door to meet ridiculous timelines, they don’t give a fuck if it’s ready or not.
I’m a SWE and my manager would tell me shit like “even Apple pushed out the iPhone with some bugs”, “at some point you have to wrap it and ship it”, etc. Mgmt uses this bullshit to feel better about their (or their bosses) poorly balanced priorities and decisions.
It’s all about announce early, bag as much interest and money as possible and then ship it regardless if it’s reached the definition of done or not (you better believe mgmt will throw those goalposts around as they see fit)
Pre-ordering morons hold some blame here as well as they play right into the bullshit I’m talking about
why the surprise? as long as people keep buying they will try to squize more money for less effort.
In two years they can get the award for “best ongoing game” then, just like Cyberpunk :D
God, what a dick sucking award. Cyberpunk may be playable now, but it did fuck all to deserve that.
Better games launched excellent and got better with age. Launching to get removed from online stores and taking years to reach playable is not the best ongoing anything.
It truly was a Great Gamer Gaslighting after that anime was released. Suddenly, cyberpunk was a work of art and everyone wanted to revisit it to see places from the anime. They hadn’t even done much to fix it yet at that point, and may even have still been dealing with legal stuff from all the stuff they promised that wasn’t in the game.
The PR turn around with that game was wild to watch, it happened almost overnight. And Gamerz TM did it to themselves.
To be fair, it was a bomb-ass anime
/s
Haha I have heard that. It’s on my to-watch list for sure
The worst part is that I’ve played early access games that have more shit going for them than Starfield
When a city map is a luxury.
Insane that wasnt in the list of “must ship” features
Yeah yeah, wake me up when AI modders recreate Daggerfall in the ES6 engine.
Are they doing a new engine for ES6?
Yes, Creation Engine 3
/s
I think people would hate it again, seeing how they hated Starfield that is also procedural.
You’d have to change Daggerfall so that you can’t run, only fast travel, between dungeons and cities to truly mirror the Starfield experience.
Still not buying that garbage.
Honestly I let my Gamepass lapse and was considering re-upping it to play Starfield. And now I am for sure not going to re-up it for Starfield. Maybe I’ll visit it in a few years, but it sounds like not a great time from Nakey Jakey’s review on it.
He provided so many examples of how it’s worse than Skyrim 😅
Just the fact that the ship combat is awful AND you don’t get to fly your ship TO other planets makes this a pass for me.
I mean, the only thing that’s really needed is the standard access to the creation kit. After that, I think modders can polish it up to competency, although flying to planets might be outside the abilities of the engine. I think anyone still hoping Starfield is going to be a good space game need to stop dreaming and go back to Elite/No Mans Sky/Waiting for Star Citizen, but there were some really elaborate mods for New Vegas and Skyrim back in the day. Maybe someone dedicated and talented enough could even fix that.
The trick is that they want paid mods so they can do nothing and get a decade of profit. Consider that many of the mods on Nexus have millions of unique downloads.
Even if they charge 3 bucks a mod and get a third of it, that’s tens of millions of dollars with zero effort on their part.
But the primary issue is that the current modding framework they’re pushing onto Skyrim doesn’t support framework mods, so none of the big mods Skyrim is known for, and have kept it alive so long, could happen.
And that people will hopefully riot about paid mods again. The Skyrim framework flew under the radar because of clever timing. There’s no way it goes un-noticed on their newest flagship game.
I got a little excited but when I read the comment… kinda don’t care given I already finished playing sf.
I’ll pick it up again when creation kit drops and someone actually adds something to it
This sounds like a good thing. Maybe I will check the name out in the future.