I do find it perplexing that other companies can also release a game like this, fix it, and then everyone basically forgets and treats the developers like buddies again (like CDPR did with Witcher and Cyberpunk, or Obsidian with KotOR2, or Hello Games with No Man’s Sky).
Bethesdas original release of Skyrim was exactly the same, and then they fixed it. Same.with Fallout 76, Elder Scrolls Online, etc. The difference is that it just seems like people really love to hate on Bethesda more than other studios when they don’t really do anything that different.
I mean, The Witcher 3 on Switch had a lot of bugs that “shouldn’t have been there” because the game was already in a good state on other platforms. But that isn’t how game development works because porting to a different console isn’t as simple as clicking one button, especially not for something like the Witcher that runs in a proprietary game engine. Shipping with bugs is bad, but Bethesda isn’t any better or worse than other beloved studios. They do seem to be publicly hated more than other studios, though.
Sure, but other studios, outside of Rockstar and Mojang, don’t release a game 14 times over 14 years.
When they do launch their game for the 14th time, it typically works.
I’ll give it to you that Bethesda gets a lot of hate over their aging engine and bugs at release, but this game has been released to death, it should either be bug free and over-optimized, or not released at all.
I’m of the opinion that Starfield, in particular, is unreasonably tolerated even though (from what I played) it’s a dreadful, archaic, boring and sluggish game. I’m of the opinion that FO76 released in a particularly bad state, and that Todd behaved in a smiley “tech bro” kind of way immediately after its release. And I will pound BGS all day over that.
On the other hand, yeah, I’m all for devs re releasing games. It gives them visibility! BGS does it so much it’s kind of a meme, but it’s not bad.
So, BGS deserves some skepticism. But not over Skyrim, really.
Yeah okay but Cyberpunk 2077 and No Man’s Sky were new games, not an ancient game that should easily run on a Switch 2 but somehow doesn’t. And even then it required an insane turnaround before people loved them again. Cyberpunk has undergone a crazy transformation since launch and it’s all for free (as should be expected when you release a dumpster fire).
This is not an easy thing, and not something you can keep doing constantly. Bethesda seems to be on a roll with releasing broken, overpriced, boring shit for a while now. And constantly milking Skyrim. There are plenty other games that I personally have played that aren’t there yet in this timeline either. Cities Skylines 2 just got a new developer and is still not that great, I don’t they’ll turn it around. Stalker 2 is on the right path (and I personally really liked it on launch and even more now), yet a lot of fans still seem pissed and the game is still properly janky. Pulling a Cyberpunk is the exception, not the rule
Why is everyone bashing Nintendo for this? I mean I get it that Nintendo is not to be liked, but this is clearly Bethesda’s fault. They did a fast and cheap port and failed hard with it.
severe input lag and a huge 53GB file size despite being capped at 30FPS
I’m not sure how being capped at 30 FPS should change any of those. Probably they went too ambitious with texture resolutions, etc. Which explains 53 GB AND the need to cap it at 30 FPS. And 30 FPS probably has MORE input lag than 60 FPS as most things only get polled every 33.333 ms instead of 16.666 (both repeating of course)
Let’s not push the myth here that over dependence on LLMs is the only source of bad code. In the past it’s almost always been management constraints, probably the case here, too.
Wasn’t this already on the first Switch? How did you fuck this up? It was already done.
Honestly, I’m kinda over the Switch 2 at this point. All of the games that have come out for it look empty and soulless, and there hasn’t been anything to make me truly want to spend $500 on another piece of kit. They’ve had long enough to put out some quality, and the promise of “$80 for a game ensures we can continue to deliver quality” is just the corporate bullshit we all knew it was. This is the WiiU all over again.
Both BOTW and TOTK are some of the most well optimized games ever made. It’s truly wild that both those games can be played on what’s basically a suped up smart phone from 2016 and look and play as well as they do.
Unless you’re talking about everything else in the game, idk
wanna know something funny? I emulate totk on my steam deck. I stopped playing it on original switch because the load times on steam deck are speedy compared to on original switch.
I’m sure Totk runs fine on switch 2 if you pay 25 bucks for extra frames on a game you already paid 70 dollars for. but i don’t want to buy a console just for that.
but I do wish there was a future where nintendo would allow it on different platforms.
Switch 1 emulators have come a long way honestly. Prior to my GPU reaching the age where it overheats easily I could run TOTK at 50 fps in some areas at FSR using framerate unlocking mods and my specs are fairly outdated. Obviously in more crowded areas the framerate would drop but you have to also consider I was using Yuzu which has been discontinued. There’s newer emulators which are much better and continue to be updated
Emulation isn’t illegal if you own the game, and even if you don’t they have to prove you never bought it.
The only reason Nintendo could go after the emulators they did was because those companies were charging money for a product using Nintendo’s proprietary encryption key. They can’t touch the open source ones (yet).
I absolutely love XC1 and 3, and I enjoy XCX for everything that’s not its story, and…
Yeah I totally agree with you. XC2 is cursed on many levels. It’s the one I just can’t replay and it’s mainly because of its characters and degenerate quirks. You’ve played the worst game of the series by far.
The worst part is, I consider myself a bit of a gooner; I like alluring, attractive characters. But that was meant to be a story-based game, and yet it designed so many jokes around attractive women dressing in rags, being clueless, easily offended, and seemed to design the story around an intense contact between a shonen hero and a large-breasted woman.
At least in something like Stellar Blade, they evade the subject because they know there’s nothing constructive to say.
I quit Nintendo ages ago. As a company, they’re assholes. Then they want to charge $50 for a game that’s 5 years old and 2 generations behind in graphics. Just can’t hold a candle to PC or even the other consoles. The only thing they have left is like 4 game IP’s
They just dropped a very mediocre Metroid title, and Mario Kart was middling at best, so they are down two franchises this generation already. If they make another clone of BotW then they are gonna be down a third, and they’ll have to make it up with Mario, but Donkey Kong didn’t inspire hope on that front, so I’m not sure what I have to look forward to…
Oh. Pokemon… Well, I’m not holding out hope there either after Scarlet/Violet.
I haven’t really enjoyed pokemon for quite some time now. It started off as a fun casual rps style game with a simple and entertaining story to follow. Then they kept adding more complexity to it and it just kinda fell off for me.
I’m on my second playthrough, this time with my kids. Didn’t think I needed another playthrough but I’m having fun. 😅 At one point I’ll boot up TotK for the first time since buying it on release day. 😎
Nintendo has made it extremely easy to boycott the Switch 2 so far. They’re hell-bent on releasing mid new games and tons of Switch 2 versions of Switch 1 games and acting as if they’re new. I’m a big fan of Nintendo’s games (well, I was, at this point) and the only exclusive Switch 2 one I have any interest in is Donkey Kong Bananza after the console being out for 6 months. That’s abysmal. At this rate there will only be a few Switch 2 games released over its entire lifespan that I’ll even want to bother emulating eventually.
Feels like the best meta for console purchasing is to only buy every other gen. I imagine the Sw2 is a blast for someone who didn’t have the 1 and now gets to play all those games at an improved quality/framerate
I was over the switch 2 when i saw the the bare switch OS only had minor changes.
Consoles are PCs without choice, but that is actually fine by me if they provide a fun experience not only in but outside of games as well.
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Is skyrim the new doom?
Nobody is paying Todd to play Room on their Washing Machine
Best game ever.
Oh hai Mark
They are both the new crabs
If you haven’t already bought a switch 2, just get a Steam Deck if you want another handheld.
Valve also won’t remotely brick your entire device if they think you got an unlicensed cartridge.
In fact, you can emulate every other console with pirated ROMs without anyone batting an eye
The original switch was for me a 300$ indie machine. I have no idea what niche is this console supposed to fill.
The niche of “I have to play the latest Legend of Pokemario game and nothing else will do”
I do find it perplexing that other companies can also release a game like this, fix it, and then everyone basically forgets and treats the developers like buddies again (like CDPR did with Witcher and Cyberpunk, or Obsidian with KotOR2, or Hello Games with No Man’s Sky).
Bethesdas original release of Skyrim was exactly the same, and then they fixed it. Same.with Fallout 76, Elder Scrolls Online, etc. The difference is that it just seems like people really love to hate on Bethesda more than other studios when they don’t really do anything that different.
I mean, The Witcher 3 on Switch had a lot of bugs that “shouldn’t have been there” because the game was already in a good state on other platforms. But that isn’t how game development works because porting to a different console isn’t as simple as clicking one button, especially not for something like the Witcher that runs in a proprietary game engine. Shipping with bugs is bad, but Bethesda isn’t any better or worse than other beloved studios. They do seem to be publicly hated more than other studios, though.
Sure, but other studios, outside of Rockstar and Mojang, don’t release a game 14 times over 14 years.
When they do launch their game for the 14th time, it typically works.
I’ll give it to you that Bethesda gets a lot of hate over their aging engine and bugs at release, but this game has been released to death, it should either be bug free and over-optimized, or not released at all.
tbf mojang is a special case, where they’ll release their game on a new platform, it works fine, and as updates come in it gets worse and worse
Maybe theres confusing crossover?
I’m of the opinion that Starfield, in particular, is unreasonably tolerated even though (from what I played) it’s a dreadful, archaic, boring and sluggish game. I’m of the opinion that FO76 released in a particularly bad state, and that Todd behaved in a smiley “tech bro” kind of way immediately after its release. And I will pound BGS all day over that.
On the other hand, yeah, I’m all for devs re releasing games. It gives them visibility! BGS does it so much it’s kind of a meme, but it’s not bad.
So, BGS deserves some skepticism. But not over Skyrim, really.
Yeah okay but Cyberpunk 2077 and No Man’s Sky were new games, not an ancient game that should easily run on a Switch 2 but somehow doesn’t. And even then it required an insane turnaround before people loved them again. Cyberpunk has undergone a crazy transformation since launch and it’s all for free (as should be expected when you release a dumpster fire).
This is not an easy thing, and not something you can keep doing constantly. Bethesda seems to be on a roll with releasing broken, overpriced, boring shit for a while now. And constantly milking Skyrim. There are plenty other games that I personally have played that aren’t there yet in this timeline either. Cities Skylines 2 just got a new developer and is still not that great, I don’t they’ll turn it around. Stalker 2 is on the right path (and I personally really liked it on launch and even more now), yet a lot of fans still seem pissed and the game is still properly janky. Pulling a Cyberpunk is the exception, not the rule
This song is evergreen
I bet an open source emulator in pre-alpha stage would run Skyrim at 120fps on Switch 2 ez.
It wouldn’t, the problems are on Bethesda’s side.
Why is everyone bashing Nintendo for this? I mean I get it that Nintendo is not to be liked, but this is clearly Bethesda’s fault. They did a fast and cheap port and failed hard with it.
Even Intel Iris Xe can play Skyrim (Special Edition) at ~45 FPS.
How much do you want to bet this is emulated
I’m not sure how being capped at 30 FPS should change any of those. Probably they went too ambitious with texture resolutions, etc. Which explains 53 GB AND the need to cap it at 30 FPS. And 30 FPS probably has MORE input lag than 60 FPS as most things only get polled every 33.333 ms instead of 16.666 (both repeating of course)
Vibe coded port… sigh
It’s Bethesda we’re talking about. They can definitely reach that level of incompetence without AI being involved.
Let’s not push the myth here that over dependence on LLMs is the only source of bad code. In the past it’s almost always been management constraints, probably the case here, too.
It quickly is becoming the primary source for bad code though.
Over reliance on LLM will still be management constraint sadly.
Wasn’t this already on the first Switch? How did you fuck this up? It was already done.
Honestly, I’m kinda over the Switch 2 at this point. All of the games that have come out for it look empty and soulless, and there hasn’t been anything to make me truly want to spend $500 on another piece of kit. They’ve had long enough to put out some quality, and the promise of “$80 for a game ensures we can continue to deliver quality” is just the corporate bullshit we all knew it was. This is the WiiU all over again.
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Zelda with a competent production company would be amazing.
Both BOTW and TOTK are some of the most well optimized games ever made. It’s truly wild that both those games can be played on what’s basically a suped up smart phone from 2016 and look and play as well as they do.
Unless you’re talking about everything else in the game, idk
I was thinking of it not being the same story over and over again for 25 years
I think mask and oracle of ages/seasons was the last time they tried something interesting
wanna know something funny? I emulate totk on my steam deck. I stopped playing it on original switch because the load times on steam deck are speedy compared to on original switch.
I’m sure Totk runs fine on switch 2 if you pay 25 bucks for extra frames on a game you already paid 70 dollars for. but i don’t want to buy a console just for that.
but I do wish there was a future where nintendo would allow it on different platforms.
they won’t. ever. but it’d be cool.
Where did the $25 come from? Isn’t the upgrade pack for TotK $10?
I was throwing numbers out. I couldn’t remember what the price to play a game you already own on a device you just spent 500 bucks on was.
any dollar amount is absurd, frankly. well, imho anyway.
Nintendo’s legal department wants to know your location
Catch me if you can, cunts.
You just made me remember this vid LMAO
Switch 1 emulators have come a long way honestly. Prior to my GPU reaching the age where it overheats easily I could run TOTK at 50 fps in some areas at FSR using framerate unlocking mods and my specs are fairly outdated. Obviously in more crowded areas the framerate would drop but you have to also consider I was using Yuzu which has been discontinued. There’s newer emulators which are much better and continue to be updated
That’s not some sort of natural aging process; that’s you failing to do maintenance. Clean out the dust and/or replace the thermal paste.
Zelda and Mario are first party, so I get that, but Xenoblade kills me. I need a rerelease of Xenogears, Xenosaga, and Xenoblade on PC.
Monolithsoft has been 100% owned by Nintendo for over a year.
And they’ve been majority owned by Ninendo since '07.
Well, damn. I didn’t know that. Oh, bother.
Meh most work on emulation. The only thing going legal would do is ease of use (maybe) and more $$ for nintendo.
Emulation isn’t illegal if you own the game, and even if you don’t they have to prove you never bought it.
The only reason Nintendo could go after the emulators they did was because those companies were charging money for a product using Nintendo’s proprietary encryption key. They can’t touch the open source ones (yet).
Emulators work really well and are very cost effective
The xenoblade game for the switch 1 was okay but the way all the women were depicted was fucking creepy and weird
I absolutely love XC1 and 3, and I enjoy XCX for everything that’s not its story, and…
Yeah I totally agree with you. XC2 is cursed on many levels. It’s the one I just can’t replay and it’s mainly because of its characters and degenerate quirks. You’ve played the worst game of the series by far.
It was fun. I never finished it but I did more or less enjoy what I played.
But yeah. Cursed is a good word for many of the design choices
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The worst part is, I consider myself a bit of a gooner; I like alluring, attractive characters. But that was meant to be a story-based game, and yet it designed so many jokes around attractive women dressing in rags, being clueless, easily offended, and seemed to design the story around an intense contact between a shonen hero and a large-breasted woman.
At least in something like Stellar Blade, they evade the subject because they know there’s nothing constructive to say.
I only spent 99 DKK (Danish kroner) on a Switch 2 + Mario Kart World because a local company briefly fucked their pricing.
The system is certainly worth 99 DKK, that much I can say. Though… I find myself mostly still graviting to emulated MK8D.
I quit Nintendo ages ago. As a company, they’re assholes. Then they want to charge $50 for a game that’s 5 years old and 2 generations behind in graphics. Just can’t hold a candle to PC or even the other consoles. The only thing they have left is like 4 game IP’s
They just dropped a very mediocre Metroid title, and Mario Kart was middling at best, so they are down two franchises this generation already. If they make another clone of BotW then they are gonna be down a third, and they’ll have to make it up with Mario, but Donkey Kong didn’t inspire hope on that front, so I’m not sure what I have to look forward to…
Oh. Pokemon… Well, I’m not holding out hope there either after Scarlet/Violet.
The new DK looked really fun to me, is it not?
Pokémon Z-A has honestly been one of the most fun Pokémon games I’ve played in a loooooooooooooooooooong time
I haven’t really enjoyed pokemon for quite some time now. It started off as a fun casual rps style game with a simple and entertaining story to follow. Then they kept adding more complexity to it and it just kinda fell off for me.
You didn’t like Breath of the Wild?
I liked it the first two times. I don’t need a third.
I’m on my second playthrough, this time with my kids. Didn’t think I needed another playthrough but I’m having fun. 😅 At one point I’ll boot up TotK for the first time since buying it on release day. 😎
Nintendo has made it extremely easy to boycott the Switch 2 so far. They’re hell-bent on releasing mid new games and tons of Switch 2 versions of Switch 1 games and acting as if they’re new. I’m a big fan of Nintendo’s games (well, I was, at this point) and the only exclusive Switch 2 one I have any interest in is Donkey Kong Bananza after the console being out for 6 months. That’s abysmal. At this rate there will only be a few Switch 2 games released over its entire lifespan that I’ll even want to bother emulating eventually.
Feels like the best meta for console purchasing is to only buy every other gen. I imagine the Sw2 is a blast for someone who didn’t have the 1 and now gets to play all those games at an improved quality/framerate
I played this on the Xbox 360
I was over the switch 2 when i saw the the bare switch OS only had minor changes. Consoles are PCs without choice, but that is actually fine by me if they provide a fun experience not only in but outside of games as well.
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How is this Nintendo’s fault lol
The Switch 2 could absolutely handle Skyrim at 60fps if not 120, it’s not their fault Bethesda half-assed the port.
yes but have you considered that:
nintendo bad
How can’t it run a 14 year old game?
Bethesda special ability. How’d they get a 14 year old game almost 60G
4k textures that crash the game
They put those on a switch game???
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. Whether they bothered to load them is a different matter.
Wasn’t that already a pretty normal size back then too for large games?
No because they had to fit on the disk media, and drive sizes in consoles/in general weren’t that large
So, par for the course for Bethesda then?
They really do have a habit of just barely making it work on every platform, no matter how powerful.