Why would they, Xbox uses a version Windows and an x86 core + AMD GPU, bog standard parts, bog standard system, it’s easier to tap into the windows component on an x86 system and just use that to run the games. Making a proper emulator for games that would otherwise run on the PC natively just wouldn’t make sense.
I think this will become true for a lot of the new gen systems in the future (starting from xbox1).
Same for PS4 maybe running easier on OpenBSD/Unix-like systems by having a similar kernel.
The rest of the article is mildly interesting, but if you just took the bait from the headline:
On a technical level, Xbox One is essentially a PC using a heavily modified version of Windows, and this software simply translates native Xbox applications into a form that can run on standard Windows PCs
Anything that emulates something else is an emulator. That something else could be hardware, or runtime behavior, or services, or a combination thereof. (It could even be a turtle, although we’re talking about computers in this case.)
Wine is an interesting example despite that silly backronym that was abandoned years ago, or perhaps because of it. It not only translates system and API calls, but also provides Windows work-alike services and copies Windows runtime behavior, including undocumented behavior. If it were just an API wrapper or “translation layer”, a lot of its functionality wouldn’t work.
The shape of a business envelope might not be an equilateral rectangle, but it is still a rectangle.
But go ahead and believe what you want. I’m not looking for an argument.
I don’t know which one of the ctr games you are referring too, but you might be interested about this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCwSkmAp7f8, there is an effort from ctr community to port the ps1 game on pc
And I feel the hardware requirements end up way lower, when I had a bad PC I could play Burnout Revenge at full speed on the 360 emulator, but the PS2 version ran like a turtle.
I couldn’t get through Halo 4’s campaign when it was released as part of the MCC, nor was I able to get though Halo Infinite’s (it wasn’t bad, just… meh; nowhere near as good as the Bungie campaigns but not trash either, just not as good). I would still like the option to play Halo 5 on PC just so I have the ability to play the main campaign, plus I’ve heard it’s the best multiplayer Halo? But yeah. Even if I never actually play it, it’s nice to have the option.
On a tangential note, I think 343’s Halo games would have been considered good if it wasn’t for Bungie’s Halo. I don’t think their campaigns are honestly bad, per se (though again, haven’t tried to play H5), they’re just bad in comparison to the “OG” games.
343 just sucks at making good halo stories, great gameplay (on infinite atleast), but they just don’t know where to take the story. I was disappointed in 4 skipped 5 and infinite was another halfbaked story that just felt empty.
343 is okay at making gameplay, but they are not good at making Halo gameplay. I mean, Halo 4 was just Call of Duty with Halo window dressing. And it makes sense because 343 was so proud to announce that they hired people who hate Halo to work on Halo. Well look how that turned out.
As the other reply said, half the (H4) game was good. But they listened to the haters and changed up H5 dropping or rehashing the majority of things from H4. Then they capitulated again and threw everything out for H6 and gave us essentially H7 in all but name.
Years spent bringing everything to a head for 6 with Cortana, the Guardians, even Halo Wars. Then it’s all confined to audio logs.
I want to finish that damn story 343. Not whatever the fuck Infinite was.
Isn’t that true of all Halo games though? I’ve only played 1 and 2, but the writing in those was just not good at all. I can’t imagine subsequent games being even worse.
Yeah there’s a reason there hasn’t been much interested in Xbone emulation, almost everything worth emulating has gotten PC ports over the years or is also on PS3 which does have a good emulator. Maybe if Sunset Overdrive was still a console exclusive I’d bother, but I guess this is cool for some peeps.
Halo 5 had a lot of problems. Bit it’s a damned masterpiece compared to Infinite.
Halo 5 had great gunplay, Warzone Firefight was a blast, the Guardians were a great stand-in for the Halo rings, Cortana was an intimidating enemy by the end of the game, the lootboxes were actually better than the armor cores and marketplace from Infinite.
There are A LOT of negatives in there too. But a lot of positives. Infinite is just a shitshow from the beginning.
I STRONGLY disagree. 5 was a letdown with some bright spots. Infinite is offensively bad with no redeeming value.
Even if you remove Infinite, 5’s combat is better than 4’s in every single way. I would split second worst between those two depending on what aspects you’re comparing.
Infinite is good now with the netcode having been re worked. It has a few poor maps and bad choices regarding forge and split screen. Ut actually playing the game is fun in most cases.
I played Halo 5 Forge on PC no scratch the Halo itch when MCC wasnt even announced yet (I felt so cool for knowing that exists).
If I could choose, I’d play Halo 5 Forge over Infinite. But I like the gadgets more than the booster feature.
I have a lot of problems with it. Between the “story” and the copy-paste map. I would rather the game didn’t exist, because at least then they could make a follow up to 5’s end.
I really don’t want to spoil your fun if you’re enjoying it though. A lot of the gameplay elements are fun to play around with.
It did not release with co-op. I think they had to figure out how to make it work with the open world map and zip lining. When I had finished it, it still didn’t have it. When they added it, they also announced that they had stopped trying to make local co-op work.
As far as I know, they gave up on assassinations too. To be honest, by the time I finished the game, the missing features were at the bottom of the list of problems I had with it.
Them just retconning Cortana was such a letdown. Honestly while 5 wasn’t great, it did set up infinite to be really really good. Then they went with a really boring alternative.
This is my biggest complaint. Halo 6 was set up to be an amazing game. Then Infinite ended up with zero story. The most interesting stuff in Infinite were the little flashback sequences that bridge 5 to Infinite.
You can really tell that campaign took a back seat in the game. A shame because the open world was honestly a lot of fun, it was just empty and hollow because of such of a lame story. You could have been jumping between worlds fighting Cortana for the survival of the human race. Instead… we’re lost on a ring again, and we’re fighting a brute guy we don’t care about, while desperate for any actual story about what the hell happened
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Why would they, Xbox uses a version Windows and an x86 core + AMD GPU, bog standard parts, bog standard system, it’s easier to tap into the windows component on an x86 system and just use that to run the games. Making a proper emulator for games that would otherwise run on the PC natively just wouldn’t make sense.
I think this will become true for a lot of the new gen systems in the future (starting from xbox1).
Same for PS4 maybe running easier on OpenBSD/Unix-like systems by having a similar kernel.
Will certainly be interesting!
The rest of the article is mildly interesting, but if you just took the bait from the headline:
So…software emulation…kinda. I guess translation technically. Whatever lol.
chuckle
Author apparently thinks hardware emulation is the only kind of emulation.
API wrappers are not emulators.
Anything that emulates something else is an emulator. That something else could be hardware, or runtime behavior, or services, or a combination thereof. (It could even be a turtle, although we’re talking about computers in this case.)
Wine is an interesting example despite that silly backronym that was abandoned years ago, or perhaps because of it. It not only translates system and API calls, but also provides Windows work-alike services and copies Windows runtime behavior, including undocumented behavior. If it were just an API wrapper or “translation layer”, a lot of its functionality wouldn’t work.
The shape of a business envelope might not be an equilateral rectangle, but it is still a rectangle.
But go ahead and believe what you want. I’m not looking for an argument.
Wine is not an Emulator is not an emulator.
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Well, of course not, because Wine Is Not an Emulator. Considering it’s called XWine1, would there be a Linux version too?
I think that’s called proton (jokes aside yes I know steam wouldn’t do that for obvious legal implications.)
I can’t wait to play the proper Forza Horizon 2, and Crash Team Racing, curse you Activision for not bringing this one to PC!
I don’t know which one of the ctr games you are referring too, but you might be interested about this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCwSkmAp7f8, there is an effort from ctr community to port the ps1 game on pc
They are, however, accomplishing the same thing as emulators, just with a different strategy.
A screwdriver can be a hammer if you’re determined enough
And I feel the hardware requirements end up way lower, when I had a bad PC I could play Burnout Revenge at full speed on the 360 emulator, but the PS2 version ran like a turtle.
Nobody was missing out on anything. All of 343s Halo games have been garbage, but Halo 5 takes the garbage cake home.
The translation layer is awesome for every other game though.
I couldn’t get through Halo 4’s campaign when it was released as part of the MCC, nor was I able to get though Halo Infinite’s (it wasn’t bad, just… meh; nowhere near as good as the Bungie campaigns but not trash either, just not as good). I would still like the option to play Halo 5 on PC just so I have the ability to play the main campaign, plus I’ve heard it’s the best multiplayer Halo? But yeah. Even if I never actually play it, it’s nice to have the option.
On a tangential note, I think 343’s Halo games would have been considered good if it wasn’t for Bungie’s Halo. I don’t think their campaigns are honestly bad, per se (though again, haven’t tried to play H5), they’re just bad in comparison to the “OG” games.
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I was a big LAN player in the heyday of the original, even got through 4.
That trash game came with the xbone I bought for my wife and I still couldn’t play it.
343 just sucks at making good halo stories, great gameplay (on infinite atleast), but they just don’t know where to take the story. I was disappointed in 4 skipped 5 and infinite was another halfbaked story that just felt empty.
343 is okay at making gameplay, but they are not good at making Halo gameplay. I mean, Halo 4 was just Call of Duty with Halo window dressing. And it makes sense because 343 was so proud to announce that they hired people who hate Halo to work on Halo. Well look how that turned out.
They capitulate too much.
As the other reply said, half the (H4) game was good. But they listened to the haters and changed up H5 dropping or rehashing the majority of things from H4. Then they capitulated again and threw everything out for H6 and gave us essentially H7 in all but name.
Years spent bringing everything to a head for 6 with Cortana, the Guardians, even Halo Wars. Then it’s all confined to audio logs.
I want to finish that damn story 343. Not whatever the fuck Infinite was.
Yea infinite was strange because the whole thing was like a prologue
I’ve said before, Infinite feels like the DLC to a Halo 6 game that was never released.
Half of Halo 4 was the best Halo story. The other half of it was the worst Halo story.
Isn’t that true of all Halo games though? I’ve only played 1 and 2, but the writing in those was just not good at all. I can’t imagine subsequent games being even worse.
Yeah there’s a reason there hasn’t been much interested in Xbone emulation, almost everything worth emulating has gotten PC ports over the years or is also on PS3 which does have a good emulator. Maybe if Sunset Overdrive was still a console exclusive I’d bother, but I guess this is cool for some peeps.
It’s still important for video game preservation, no matter how crappy the games themselves might be.
Forza horizon 2 is the only game I can think of that I would use this for.
Halo 5 had a lot of problems. Bit it’s a damned masterpiece compared to Infinite.
Halo 5 had great gunplay, Warzone Firefight was a blast, the Guardians were a great stand-in for the Halo rings, Cortana was an intimidating enemy by the end of the game, the lootboxes were actually better than the armor cores and marketplace from Infinite.
There are A LOT of negatives in there too. But a lot of positives. Infinite is just a shitshow from the beginning.
Halo 5 is still the worst Halo game.
I STRONGLY disagree. 5 was a letdown with some bright spots. Infinite is offensively bad with no redeeming value.
Even if you remove Infinite, 5’s combat is better than 4’s in every single way. I would split second worst between those two depending on what aspects you’re comparing.
Halo 5 has ADS and Halo 4 does not. This alone makes Halo 5 combat worse.
Infinite is good now with the netcode having been re worked. It has a few poor maps and bad choices regarding forge and split screen. Ut actually playing the game is fun in most cases.
I played Halo 5 Forge on PC no scratch the Halo itch when MCC wasnt even announced yet (I felt so cool for knowing that exists).
If I could choose, I’d play Halo 5 Forge over Infinite. But I like the gadgets more than the booster feature.
Do people not like infinite? A mate and I are playing coop currently and I’m really enjoying it.
I have a lot of problems with it. Between the “story” and the copy-paste map. I would rather the game didn’t exist, because at least then they could make a follow up to 5’s end.
I really don’t want to spoil your fun if you’re enjoying it though. A lot of the gameplay elements are fun to play around with.
It’s in a more or less acceptable state now and I play it, but it sure doesn’t live up to the original 10 year live service promise.
Infinite has coop now??
As far as I recall, Infinite has had online co-op, just not local/split screen co-op.
But don’t quote me on that!
It did not release with co-op. I think they had to figure out how to make it work with the open world map and zip lining. When I had finished it, it still didn’t have it. When they added it, they also announced that they had stopped trying to make local co-op work.
Jeez, no wonder Infinite has always had such a bad reputation then!
As far as I know, they gave up on assassinations too. To be honest, by the time I finished the game, the missing features were at the bottom of the list of problems I had with it.
The Master Chief Collection doesn’t have split screen campaigns on PC
So fucking upsetting getting it all set up only to be told it’s online only. It’s fucking Halo!!!
Then even more pissed off that it’s in the console version. Why cut features between the two??
Them just retconning Cortana was such a letdown. Honestly while 5 wasn’t great, it did set up infinite to be really really good. Then they went with a really boring alternative.
This is my biggest complaint. Halo 6 was set up to be an amazing game. Then Infinite ended up with zero story. The most interesting stuff in Infinite were the little flashback sequences that bridge 5 to Infinite.
You can really tell that campaign took a back seat in the game. A shame because the open world was honestly a lot of fun, it was just empty and hollow because of such of a lame story. You could have been jumping between worlds fighting Cortana for the survival of the human race. Instead… we’re lost on a ring again, and we’re fighting a brute guy we don’t care about, while desperate for any actual story about what the hell happened
Am I crazy, or didn’t Phil in 2013 say something like “you can put an xbox game in your PC and it’ll play!” Yeah. Still waiting for that one.
he followed through on that, but only because Xbox gave up and ported their slop over to Steam anyway
Hopefully I’ll get to finally play Gears of War 2.
Yes been wanting to play the og gears again for years now on PC I want a gears style MCC so bad
Isn’t it all on game pass?
Maybe (probably) but I don’t want to play it via gamepass
https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/store/gears-of-war/bpn08zdrpsfk
You can buy it.
I actually didn’t know the first game was there never used or looked at the Xbox store
That’s already out isn’t it? Remastered and everything.
The first is apparently remastered on the Xbox store for PC I had no idea tbh never used the Xbox store on PC.