20 years might be pushing it, but he’d be gone 34ish years by that point. He wasn’t much of a philanthropist. Is there any Steve Jobs Parks? Plazas? His early death didn’t lend him much time to create a legacy. He’ll be known in business and tech scenes, sure, but the pop culture knowledge of him will be negligible. Does the general public know about the CEO of IBM 35+ years ago? The current crop of CEOs are like WWE wrestlers in their persona compared to Jobs. Being present for the smartphone revolution was something, but does anyone remember the CEO of the company that introduced the laptop? Jobs wasn’t a Carnegie or Rockefeller.
Oh, definitely as Jobs practically created a personality cult, putting Woz literally behind the curtains.
When ordinary people talk about creative geniuses who make innovative devices that change the course of history, most cases they’ll talk about Jobs, believing he came up with ideas for most if not all the gadgets that makes Apple a known fashion tech brand… despite Woz being responsible for designing and building the first Apple desktop.
He was the chair of General Electric for decades. He was one of the most prominent businessmen of the 20th century. People in corporate management still use his techniques and ideas.
Jobs wasn’t ignorant of his situation. He had the best doctors in the world telling him exactly what he needed to do . He decided to ignore them because he thought he was right and they were wrong.
Steve Jobs killed himself. The gun was his hubris and the trigger was the universe telling him no.
Steve Wozniak’s net worth is not definitively known, but it is estimated to be around $100 million. He continues to receive a stipend from Apple for his role as an employee emeritus. In 2006, this stipend was estimated to be $120,000 per year
The 120M aside, which is almost certainly pulled out of someone’s ass, $120k/yr isn’t that much. I’m sure that almost ever engineer at Apple makes more than that.
That’s likely the case for people who are renting and having to take out enormous mortgages so is draining all their income.
But, for someone who got a home fully paid from decades back, so all they have is general expenses they would be comfortable. Which is the case for anywhere even if things are more expensive then other places.
I gave all my Apple wealth away because wealth and power are not what I live for. I have a lot of fun and happiness. I funded a lot of important museums and arts groups in San Jose, the city of my birth, and they named a street after me for being good. I now speak publicly and have risen to the top. I have no idea how much I have but after speaking for 20 years it might be $10M plus a couple of homes. I never look for any type of tax dodge. I earn money from my labor and pay something like 55% combined tax on it. I am the happiest person ever. Life to me was never about accomplishment, but about Happiness, which is Smiles minus Frowns. I developed these philosophies when I was 18-20 years old and I never sold out.
Market realist estimates it to be 100 mil net worth, but is substantially smaller that it once was, at an estimate of 10bil.
Listen - the point is not what he is worth. The point is that even though he has given away all his apple wealth, he is still a very rich man, who can afford to have this point of view.
I think that’s his point. Past a certain level wealth makes no difference to your quality of life. So give it away, make the world better, and still have enough for more than 1 lifetime rather than horde and continue to amass like a cancer.
bonus fun fact, lime doesn’t help against scurvy. the brits started cultivating limes because it’s easier than lemons, but because the steam ship took over at around the same time, travel times got shorter and nobody noticed that they don’t actually have the same effect. until the 1910 british antarctic expedition when people’s teeth started falling out despite carrying tonnes of limes
I need sauce for limes not preventing scurvy. I was under the impression that the Terra Nova expedition failed because they flat ran out of rations and got stuck in a storm so they couldn’t resupply.
This time Scott made sure to provide his men with fresh seal meat, and scurvy was not a problem in the main camp.
One of Scott’s goals for the winter journey had been to determine the proper ration for sledging up on the Polar plateau, where the men would have to hike for several weeks at altitudes above 10,000 feet. After some tinkering with proportions, the men on the Winter Journey had settled on a satisfying ration, and Scott decided to adopt it unchanged for his own trip later that year: Scott’s Polar ration: 450g biscuit, 340 grams pemmican, 85g sugar, 57g butter, 24g tea, 16g cocoa. This ration contains about 4500 calories (sledging requires 6500) and no vitamin C.
You said they brought ‘tonnes of limes’ and got scurvy despite that.
Can we make “secular saints” a thing? Why should we reserve the title of “Saint” specifically for the Catholic Church? I think we should just get in the habit of referring to any unambiguously good person, who has performed great acts of generosity and selflessness, as a saint. They don’t even have to be religious. If someone wants to interpret it religiously, they can say that anyone so good is almost certainly bound for Heaven, but it need not be religious. Why can’t we have secular saints? Why can’t we have Saint Stephen of San Jose or Saint Fred of Latrobe?
I’d love for some kind of “social model of a great human” canonization process… A bit like the Nobel prize, something determined by a committee or something, but it would have to be people that were actual genuine fucking awesome humans.
Sure, let’s not give them a choice though. Aggressive wealth tax caps at $100M, you get a park plaque and sainthood for each billion we redistribute to UBI.
Paragon works, but it’s not really a title. Could we make “Paragon” a title? Instead of “Saint Stephen of San Jose,” we have “Paragon Stephen of San Jose.” Sounds odd, but maybe?
Tangentially related - I was thinking the other day about how it seems like the rich used to feel obligated (for whatever reason) to use some of their wealth for the good of the world. But can you even imagine a ‘Musk Foundation’ or a fucking ‘Zuckerberg Foundation’? No because they don’t have even an ounce of shame or a shred of conscience. I don’t know what it would even take but I do think it’s far past time for us to start talking, bare minimum, about their obligations to the country and world that gave them so much.
I horded my wealth like a dragon and used it to burn down all the neighborhoods in my area, because the money drove me insane
I wadded up my money into a basketball shaped bundle and just started tossing it anywhere that seemed politically correct and popular
That said, Wozniak did the best with the hand he was dealt. He kicked a bunch of Apple employees in on stock options long before it became company policy. He threw a bunch money into tech museums and art schools and colleges (which California’s state and municipalities have been underfunding in order to subsidize the private tech sector for decades). He invested in environmental R&D and even kicked some money into the effort to prevent Kessler Syndrome - which is, again, shit best served by a collaboration of G20 nations, not just some random rich guy from California. But hey, here we are.
Maybe capitalism wouldn’t be dogshit if we inverted the number of Wozniaks and Zuckerbergs. But also, maybe, billionaires (and heaven help us, trillionaires) were a bad idea to begin with.
I’m a good 15 years younger than Steve Wozniak, but Steve Wozniak has always been a person I’ve aspired to become more like. He’s one of my personal heroes, and I hope to die a man as close to what the man he’s always been.
When I was in college studying Comp Sci I did a whois on Woz’s domain and sent an email to the registered email (this was generally before the days of free whois protection), not expecting a response, just mentioning how cool his work on the Apple I & II was among others, and how as a CS student was exciting to see where technology had gotten to, asking him what he was up to.
I got a response a day later, thanking me for my email, talking about how he loved hearing from students, telling me about his current dancing with the stars stuff (this was in late 2009), among some other quips and such.
Felt incredibly down to earth and casual, and while I know it only took him maybe 5 minutes to write that email, or maybe it was even copied and pasted, it was super cool to get a response from such a tech icon.
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yea this is the guy Elon tried to PR himself as (and possibly succeeded for a while when he wasn’t as popular), but shit starts to smell fast.
There are a few real deals out there, but they never get the same attention as the con artists. Apple brought back the wrong Steve.
Words to live by.
And that’s why he’s 75 and happy and Jobs is dead and no one will know his name in 20 years.
I’m not a fan of Jobs but that’s quite a claim. No one will remember one of the most successful CEOs of all time in 2 decades?
Wozniak will leave the public consciousness way sooner than Jobs. Outside of tech circles, pretty much nobody knows who he is now.
20 years might be pushing it, but he’d be gone 34ish years by that point. He wasn’t much of a philanthropist. Is there any Steve Jobs Parks? Plazas? His early death didn’t lend him much time to create a legacy. He’ll be known in business and tech scenes, sure, but the pop culture knowledge of him will be negligible. Does the general public know about the CEO of IBM 35+ years ago? The current crop of CEOs are like WWE wrestlers in their persona compared to Jobs. Being present for the smartphone revolution was something, but does anyone remember the CEO of the company that introduced the laptop? Jobs wasn’t a Carnegie or Rockefeller.
Idk, Steve Jobs has like at least 2 movies about him. Pretty sure his name will last considerably longer than 20 years on that alone.
Oh, definitely as Jobs practically created a personality cult, putting Woz literally behind the curtains.
When ordinary people talk about creative geniuses who make innovative devices that change the course of history, most cases they’ll talk about Jobs, believing he came up with ideas for most if not all the gadgets that makes Apple a known
fashiontech brand… despite Woz being responsible for designing and building the first Apple desktop.Yeah, exactly. The general public thinks that Steve Jobs invented the iPhone. He’s not just some random CEO.
Sad, unfair, infuriating, but probably true.
People still talk about Jack Welsh’s impact on business culture and he retired in 2001.
No idea who that is
He’s the reason every big company does mass layoffs to boost stock prices every other quarter
All my homies hate Jack Welch. Glad he’s dead.
He was the chair of General Electric for decades. He was one of the most prominent businessmen of the 20th century. People in corporate management still use his techniques and ideas.
Thanks
Yup, being a CEO is the number one leading cause of pancreatic cancer…
You’re right. Ignorance got Jobs. Stress doesn’t help though.
Jobs wasn’t ignorant of his situation. He had the best doctors in the world telling him exactly what he needed to do . He decided to ignore them because he thought he was right and they were wrong.
Steve Jobs killed himself. The gun was his hubris and the trigger was the universe telling him no.
And history repeats itself with OceanGate
Nope but being an idiot and treating it with a fruit diet is certainly a factor.
😆 that’ll do you in for sure indeed
“I gave all my wealth away”…
The 120M aside, which is almost certainly pulled out of someone’s ass, $120k/yr isn’t that much. I’m sure that almost ever engineer at Apple makes more than that.
Like, he’s not going to be starving, but it’s not exactly megayacht level either.
I would hope all their engineers make more than that. For Apple that should be entry level.
120k in silion valley in particular is barely a livable wage. CoL is incredibly high there.
That’s likely the case for people who are renting and having to take out enormous mortgages so is draining all their income.
But, for someone who got a home fully paid from decades back, so all they have is general expenses they would be comfortable. Which is the case for anywhere even if things are more expensive then other places.
He probably owns his property already, so that’s a huge chunk, but the point still stands.
The full quote:
Smiles minus frowns.
This right here is the ultimate KPI, yet I’ve never seen it in a dashboard or spreadsheet. Woz is a legend…
They literally TOLD YOU THEY DON’T KNOW and you’re still listening to their estimates as if they’re fact.
estimated BY WHO? AND HOW?
Business insider mentions the yearly $120000.
Market realist estimates it to be 100 mil net worth, but is substantially smaller that it once was, at an estimate of 10bil.
Listen - the point is not what he is worth. The point is that even though he has given away all his apple wealth, he is still a very rich man, who can afford to have this point of view.
I think that’s his point. Past a certain level wealth makes no difference to your quality of life. So give it away, make the world better, and still have enough for more than 1 lifetime rather than horde and continue to amass like a cancer.
Yeah. For me though, sayingig that you dont live for wealth and power, when you have enough to live 2 lifetimes comfortably, is kind of ironic.
Sometimes, the right Steve dies. Eventually. After ruining everything.
Psssh Steve jobs gave his life.
he spent all his money on fruity juice
Should have used more lime!
hell no i wanna live
fruit juice is all mostly apple anyway
bonus fun fact, lime doesn’t help against scurvy. the brits started cultivating limes because it’s easier than lemons, but because the steam ship took over at around the same time, travel times got shorter and nobody noticed that they don’t actually have the same effect. until the 1910 british antarctic expedition when people’s teeth started falling out despite carrying tonnes of limes
I need sauce for limes not preventing scurvy. I was under the impression that the Terra Nova expedition failed because they flat ran out of rations and got stuck in a storm so they couldn’t resupply.
oh they failed for a whole myriad of reasons, but scurvy was one of them.
This blog doesn’t support your claim at all.
You said they brought ‘tonnes of limes’ and got scurvy despite that.
in my defense it was primarily supposed to be a fun fact about limes and steam ships.
Ah yes once again as usual the British are wrong.
Oh what a world it would be if people like Wozniak and Swartz weren’t fucked over by their original techbro “friends”
This reads like a shot at Jobs.
Can we make “secular saints” a thing? Why should we reserve the title of “Saint” specifically for the Catholic Church? I think we should just get in the habit of referring to any unambiguously good person, who has performed great acts of generosity and selflessness, as a saint. They don’t even have to be religious. If someone wants to interpret it religiously, they can say that anyone so good is almost certainly bound for Heaven, but it need not be religious. Why can’t we have secular saints? Why can’t we have Saint Stephen of San Jose or Saint Fred of Latrobe?
I’d love for some kind of “social model of a great human” canonization process… A bit like the Nobel prize, something determined by a committee or something, but it would have to be people that were actual genuine fucking awesome humans.
I’m thinking Steve Irwin, Fred Rogers, etc…
why call them saints? just call them good people
It’s important to recognise exceptionally good imo.
Because it has more gravitas!
only for people who understand catholicism
I don’t understand much about Catholicism but I do know they cream their pants for “saints.”
i have basically never been exposed to it at all, except in assassin’s creed 2
Sure, let’s not give them a choice though. Aggressive wealth tax caps at $100M, you get a park plaque and sainthood for each billion we redistribute to UBI.
Does the word “paragon” apply in this case? That’s what I think of when I see someone outside of religious context that I would aspire to emulate.
Paragon works, but it’s not really a title. Could we make “Paragon” a title? Instead of “Saint Stephen of San Jose,” we have “Paragon Stephen of San Jose.” Sounds odd, but maybe?
There is (video game) precedent
Dragon Age: Origins Dwarves refer to their heroes/saints as paragons.
I like this.
Tangentially related - I was thinking the other day about how it seems like the rich used to feel obligated (for whatever reason) to use some of their wealth for the good of the world. But can you even imagine a ‘Musk Foundation’ or a fucking ‘Zuckerberg Foundation’? No because they don’t have even an ounce of shame or a shred of conscience. I don’t know what it would even take but I do think it’s far past time for us to start talking, bare minimum, about their obligations to the country and world that gave them so much.
I still wish he used his wealth to start an Anti-Apple co-operative
Yeah, its kinda bleak to see
I horded my wealth like a dragon and used it to burn down all the neighborhoods in my area, because the money drove me insane
I wadded up my money into a basketball shaped bundle and just started tossing it anywhere that seemed politically correct and popular
That said, Wozniak did the best with the hand he was dealt. He kicked a bunch of Apple employees in on stock options long before it became company policy. He threw a bunch money into tech museums and art schools and colleges (which California’s state and municipalities have been underfunding in order to subsidize the private tech sector for decades). He invested in environmental R&D and even kicked some money into the effort to prevent Kessler Syndrome - which is, again, shit best served by a collaboration of G20 nations, not just some random rich guy from California. But hey, here we are.
Maybe capitalism wouldn’t be dogshit if we inverted the number of Wozniaks and Zuckerbergs. But also, maybe, billionaires (and heaven help us, trillionaires) were a bad idea to begin with.
The Woz is BOSS!
Wow, some uplifting news which proves there are still some good people on this earth. I needed that, thanks! <3
I’m a good 15 years younger than Steve Wozniak, but Steve Wozniak has always been a person I’ve aspired to become more like. He’s one of my personal heroes, and I hope to die a man as close to what the man he’s always been.
+1
They say not to meet your heros, and it’s usually good advice. Imma go out on a limb and say it doesn’t apply to Woz.
When I was in college studying Comp Sci I did a whois on Woz’s domain and sent an email to the registered email (this was generally before the days of free whois protection), not expecting a response, just mentioning how cool his work on the Apple I & II was among others, and how as a CS student was exciting to see where technology had gotten to, asking him what he was up to.
I got a response a day later, thanking me for my email, talking about how he loved hearing from students, telling me about his current dancing with the stars stuff (this was in late 2009), among some other quips and such.
Felt incredibly down to earth and casual, and while I know it only took him maybe 5 minutes to write that email, or maybe it was even copied and pasted, it was super cool to get a response from such a tech icon.
Gaben also does this
Fuckin’ class act.