Don’t know about the X3D chips, but my 3070 TI is running flawlessly under Nobara (a Fedora flavor) - a few months ago there has been a huge boost in stability with the support of explicit sync.
Nvidia seems to be the biggest hurdle for most people. The simplest solution I’ve found has been universal Blue, Bazzite (specifically the Nvidia images). You don’t have to think twice about Nvidia as everything is preconfigured for you out of the gate, forever, in perpetuity.
People often repeat that Nvidia is a nightmare to get working and that you need to install some sort of pre-packaged distro that configures Nvidia for you but… that hasn’t been true for years?
Get any distro you want, from Fedora to Arch, install nvidia-open, reboot… that’s it? Maybe install extra packages for 32 bit support, video decoding and CUDA if you want, optionally. Not different from installing Nvidia drivers on Windows at all, except you’re not running a .exe, but that’s true for any package.
I believe one of the problems is that nvidia is an out of kernel driver so it requires each kernel update to rebuild it. There is a lot of distro’s that handle this with a proper configuration of dkms but some dont and it causes issues that are hard to solve for the average user.
Just tried gaming on Linux because I forgot my Ally and was stuck on my laptop. Sorry, guys, it still sucks. It’s getting better, though. Perhaps in another 10 years.
Could you be more specific? I’ve had very few issues gaming on Linux and haven’t felt like I’ve been missing anything. Mind you, I do skip games with kernel anti-cheat, but that’s the only real broad category of games I know have issues.
Switched rest of the house to Linux due to win10 bullshit. Not going pretend like this is something that everyone can do but if you can do it for yourself, it takes only on Linux zealot per household ;)
Same here, except for my mom’s computer, because she needs a program for embroidery design that doesn’t work well on Linux despite being in the AUR. It’s called “Embrilliance”, and for some reason the cursor disappears whenever you try to draw freeform, so if anyone has any guidance on that, hit up my DMs, I’d love to solve it for her!
I could try it in another DE on my machine to see if that helps first. Maybe Cinnamon or XFCE would be good enough for her needs, I’d set her up with Plasma previously, which she liked but it’s a no-go without Embrilliance. If nothing else, it’s just one air-gapped Windows PC in the house, ultimately it doesn’t matter too much.
This is a great use-case for a live Linux environment. Throw one onto a drive and see if it works well, and if not, just restart and go back to what you have.
Ventoy even supports persistence! It’s a bit poorly documented but you download the 1-2GB persistence volume, configure ventoy to include that feature and which ISOs to associate with which persistent volumes and you’re off to the races
What’s the best Linux distro to play games? Im currently on Ubuntu 22.04 and won’t leave it as my main but I have a AMD TR 1950 with a GTX 1080 TI will to play some final fantasy.
All major distros are fine, but there are some niche that specialise in making it easy for people to play games. I use Garuda Linux for that reason. It has it’s own app that helps handling OS maintenance, you can install things like Heroic Launcher, Steam, and Proton with a couple of clicks, you have a nice app that checks for updates, etc., etc.
It’s still Linux, which means random shit breaks for no reason, but for gaming and not having to worry about keeping the OS alive it’s great.
Linux in no way means that “random shit breaks for no reason”, if anything that’s Windows. Some distributions may be easier to break if you don’t know what you are doing but that is not an OS problem.
Linux in no way means that “random shit breaks for no reason” (…) Some distributions may be easier to break if you don’t know what you are doing but that is not an OS problem.
Things that randomly broke for no reason:
BT-connected mouse suddenly refused to connect.
App Menu (“File”, “View”, etc.) randomly disappeared from all apps and wouldn’t re-appear.
AppImage application suddenly started throwing a “binary found, misconfigured” error.
Sleep would kill the OS. Only a hard reboot fixed the issue (this was on two brand new distros on my PC).
Every couple of times Sleep would kill the WiFi on my laptop after the OS was woken up.
Things that broke after I installed a dGPU:
Heroic Launcher “lost” Proton and couldn’t launch any games.
Steam would open a black window with no content visible.
Every three or four reboots after installing the dGPU, the FPS while on the desktop would be around 10, the OS effectively unusable.
Things that broke after a system update:
Application Launcher turned fully transparent making it almost impossible to read the names.
This was all in a span of around 3 months.
If it was “if anything that’s Windows”, then I would be doing nothing but fixing user issues with my ~300 Windows devices. That’s not the case.
Funny, that’s not the experience of the majority of people in this thread. Several flavors of Linux that have been listed are rock solid and require little to no user action to work and launch games.
You can list all of the problems you want, that’s just 1 person’s experience. It could be because of the distribution you chose, because of your skills, anything. But it’s not statically relevant.
Also, please, Windows is known, has been known, and probably will be known for having shit break randomly. Don’t you think there would be a tiny bit more Windows dominance on the servers side if the opposite were true?
that’s not the experience of the majority of people in this thread
I’m willing to bet the majority of people in this thread already forgot about the “linuxism” they had to deal with when they were starting, and are experienced enough to handle any new ones as they come along.
Don’t you think there would be a tiny bit more Windows dominance on the servers side if the opposite were true?
Linux dominates the server realm for a completely different reason - Linux-based servers supported hot-updates much sooner than Windows Server did, and in systems where uptime was critical, people chose Linux. That also meant that the vast majority of “server admins” had Linux experience which also contributed.
This is slowly changing now - if you look at market stats, you can see that Windows Server is (painfully slowly, granted) regaining some momentum.
EDIT: also, fun fact - I used to work at a company that had around 300 MacBooks and 2500 Windows devices. Back then I was working as a Service Desk agent. The distribution of incidents for Windows and MacOS we were getting was VERY close to 50-50… So, it seems to me that “Windows is known, has been known, and probably will be known for having shit break randomly” mostly among people who don’t use Windows.
Yeah, “linuxism”, that must be it… That or it’s possible that the OS and distributions have evolved while you were not looking.
Linux dominates on servers because of that yes. Also because of its licensing costs, being open source, stable, secure (please don’t try to tell me Windows is more secure, please please please), better performance and lesser response time. Because a Debian stable will never break with simple security updates.
I am also quite curious about getting a source for that claim that Windows Server is coming back.
Finally, do tell me where I mentioned MacOS. Unless you think that MacOS and Linux are the same? That wouldn’t surprise me considering your apparent knowledge (or lack of) about Linux. FYI MacOS is based on a BSD kernel.
I am also quite curious about getting a source for that claim that Windows Server is coming back.
I didn’t say “it’s coming back”. WS is still losing market share, but the losses slowed down pretty significantly in recent years. Sorry, I can’t find the source again because Google is shite. Feel free to disregard this point.
Finally, do tell me where I mentioned MacOS. Unless you think that MacOS and Linux are the same? That wouldn’t surprise me considering your apparent knowledge (or lack of) about Linux. FYI MacOS is based on a BSD kernel.
Fuck off with this tone, mate.
I mentioned MacOS as an example that Windows is not as buggy as you seem to believe. I guess that went over your head and I should denigrate you now?
The big benefit of linux servers for most businesses is that they tend to be configure-once systems, where you set it up, verify it works then no further maintenance is needed beyond applying updates in line with your update schedule and downtime windows. Sure there will every once in a while be something that changes but far less than you see with Windows Server where some registry values stopped working with a recent windows update without warning so now you have to track down new registry values to recreate the behavior. That and tracking down why Windows decided to ignore all of your settings and reboot this time (and how to stop it again)
Arch is the one thing that should be absolutely not recommended to beginners. Even implying that it is a suitable beginner distro in any way like you have done in this comment is only likely to drive away users when they inevitably get confused.
Existing Windows users mostly are not interested in even knowing of the existence of the Arch Wiki. They will just give up and conclude Linux is shit.
I left Debian for Arch recently and let me tell you, you immediately feel the difference with running the latest drivers for your machine. The bleeding edge drivers have upped my frames per second significantly in videos games compared to sticking with stable releases on Debian (and Ubuntu).
With the built-in archinstall script making Arch so easy to get going, I’d only reach for anything else if I really needed the stability.
Like the others have said, all major distros are fine. Ubuntu is or used to be Valve’s “favourite distro” and the package that you can get from Valve’s website is for Ubuntu. That being said, software on Linux should be installed using the package manager (the Software Centre) and not downloaded from the Web.
You may wish to upgrade to Ubuntu 24.04 LTS later. This is fairly easy (you can use the Software Updater application) but the newer versions have better drivers and newer GNOME versions which may bring better performance.
Beware some issues if your hardware isnt popular, I have freezing on all kernels past 6.136-2, so I’m stuck there. (test them all every update, no matter what I get hella random freezing requiring a power button restart) It is very stable and fast tho, kinda scary thinking the bug never gets fixed tho, still new to Linux and assuming it’s bad to not update the kernel longgerm.
Have you tried a different distro base such as Fedora or SUSE compared to Debians based? I have a laptop that will not install Debian based distros due to hardware error or bug, or if it does install they fail to boot with hardware errors messages. Fedora and SUSE work though, and ironically nixOS.
I tried mint and endeavour (also arch tho so I guess its the same) Mint had the same freezing issue. Thought it was my hardware because I had reinstalled my os when problems began, eventually tried the lts kernel and it became stable like it was originally. They recentlly updated it tho, so I have to prevent updates (idk how so I just rollback from the cache after every pacman -Syu)
I had that issue last time I switched to Linux. Thankfully eventually it went away. It should help to distro hop to a more bleeding edge distro. Fedora specifically gets system updates every night through Discover.
I’m doing my part! Moving to a new country in a few days, part of the prep for that was to ditch my Windows desktop and I’ve been setting up a Linux laptop. Arch with KDE Plasma is so far the most enjoyable experience I’ve had with an OS
I’ve tried at various times to switch to Linux in the past. I’m enough of a turbo nerd you’d think it would have been easy for me but it was never quite there for one reason or another. This latest attempt though hot damn it’s all smooth sailing. I’ve even converted one of my friends to Mint and making progress convincing people who don’t want to use Windows 11 to just make the switch
Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?
By much? With HDR?
Sorry for the drive by comment, but this is like the one game my 3090 can’t quite handle to my satisfaction. I’ve thoroughly disabled the thing from rendering in Linux and don’t want to undo all that… But if I could get like another 10% over Windows, that would be incredible. Even 5% would be awesome.
Hey there! Recently downloaded Cyberpunk again to test my graphics card out.
openSUSE Tumbleweed, a 144hz 1080p ultrawide monitor (21:9), i9-10850K, nvidia 5080, raytracing and all settings on ultra, no DLSS fake frames only DLAA
I was getting from 75-120 (120 could be lower or higher as I can’t get to my computer right now) depending on what was on screen. In the city with lots of neon and ads going while driving around? 75-80 fps
Inside a building or not near any of the reflective causing lights? 90-120
I’m pretty sure my CPU is bottlenecking me for the most part, but it has never sweated on anything I threw at it, so didn’t see the need to upgrade just yet.
Hopefully that helps you out a little! I’ve got a lot of games I can report back on too, if needed! :)
Thanks! Though it doesn’t mean much without a windows reference :P
I’m pushing my poor 3090 to 4K with just RT reflections but a bunch of mods, and I’m generally getting over 60 with no framegen (which is my target).
FYI I found the game actually looks better with most of the RT disabled:
RT shadows tend to be blocky and flicker, while raster shadows “miss” more shadows but are razor sharp and stable.
RT lighting is neat for, say, reflecting a neon billboard, but I find it often clashes with built in raster lighting. For instance, it turns neon signs into blobs and messed up the Arasaka atrium in the intro.
RT reflections look incredible, especially in rain. No downside as far as I can tell.
Path tracing is a whole different ballgame my card can’t handle. But (when modded to fix it) it’s apparently extra incredible, and basically disables all the other in game settings.
Check out the digital foundry video too, which shows some of this
I will boot into Windows when I can and see the performance there I’ll report back after I run around the city and outside the city for a little bit!
I am curious to try out NexusMods Linux compatibility with their new modding app, so I haven’t gotten to mod the game yet. I wasn’t going to play through it again (4th playthrough lol) just yet.
I just remember in the “cutscenes” like driving with Panam or Takamura, the RT looking better than the baked lighting. My 2080ti on Windows wasn’t able to handle that all the time (less than 60 with medium RT, no DLSS) but the way the “cutscenes” looked was just so much better with RT on that as soon as they started, I’d turn it on. :O
Its RT reflections are doing most of the lifting driving around, I think, but they only take like 1/3 the FPS, while RT lighting and shadows are more subtle.
The settings may have been different in the past, can’t remember… I was playing on a laptop 2060, heh.
Thanks! I am curious, though I am glad to hear RT and such works well on Linux.
I think there’s huge variability, but as a gross overgeneralization AMD gpus run Cyberpunk 2077 a bit faster on Linux than Windows, and nVidia gpus run it a bit slower on Linux than on Windows.
If you’ve got a spare usb hard drive you could always install Linux there for a test drive though. You might be able to find a setup that gets you the extra performance you’re looking for.
I already dual boot CachyOS! In fact I spent a lot of time tweaking schedulers, power, undervolting the GPU and such for compute performance, but I think it’s well tuned for gaming too.
It’s just annoying because I beat the GPU into submission with tons of settings (as Nvidia is funny with Wayland), so its display out is totally disabled. It’s a lot to undo.
See, that makes it sound to me like you could probably come up with a setup that would do what you want, but that doing so would probably mean making it worse at some of the other things you currently use it for.
Which is where using an external drive for a third installation might be easier. Or at least easier to dispose of if you get sick of the project. But I am perhaps unusually lazy in that regard.
TBH I am both lazy, and a bit paranoid/afraid of dealing with Nvidia rendering issues (even if using my IGP for desktop work), but it would probably be fine and I’m… just being lazy and paranoid.
I don’t think it would make it worse for compute work.
An external 3rd partition does sound appealing, though one quirk is that CP2077 does really like SSDs. I have a slow external SSD, but it still might muddy an A/B test.
If you have a desktop, these work great for swapping SSDs out. Get a pair and swap them out whenever you need/want to. You just need a spare x4 (or larger) PCI-e slot, which is pretty common to have. (Technically they work fine with a x1 slot, but then you are slowing the SSD down.)
I am not sure, as I’ve actually only played it under Linux. I have a laptop with an RTX 3070. It’s able to handle the raytraced low setting at 1080p, but I just run High instead so that the fan isn’t as loud. And in my opinion that even looks pretty good.
I might try start it under windows and run its benchmark because I’m curious now! I’ll update here if I remember to do this test.
I clock limit my 3090 to like 1700MHz-1750Mhz with Nvidia-smi (built into the driver) since any faster is just diminishing returns. You might check what “stable clocks” your 3070 runs at, and cap them slightlt lower, and even try an under volt as well.
Be sure to cap the frame rate too.
Do that, and you might be able to handle RT reflections and otherwise similar settings without much noise. The hit for just that setting is modest on my 3090 but much heavier with full “low” RT
I’ll have to look into seeing if I can mess with that! It’s a laptop 3070, so they:'ve already made some changes (fewer cores, lower boost clocks). My laptop sets a 100 W max TGP for it.
TBH though I’ve found myself caring more about the convenience of playing games (comfort, portability, ease of interrupting) more than graphics settings. Yeah it’s very pretty with ray tracing and all, but I’m totally fine with playing on medium or high.
Thanks for the ideas! Hopefully I can push the graphics up without turning into a pile of lava. I need to figure out how to record graphics power consumption for me to reference to evaluate changes.
Thanks for the ideas! Hopefully I can push the graphics up without turning into a pile of lava. I need to figure out how to record graphics power consumption for me to reference to evaluate changes.
It’s far more efficient to just TDP limit your GPU rather than lowering settings to try and get power consumption (and laptop fan speed) down. It will stick to slightly lower clocks, which is exponentially better since that also lowers voltage, and voltage increases power consumption quadratically.
Otherwise it will always try to boost to 100W anyway.
You can do this with MSI Afterburner easily, or you can do it in Windows with just the command line. For example, nvidia-smi -pl 80 will set the power limit to 80W (until you restart your PC). nvidia-smi by itself will show all its default settings.
I do this with my 3090, and dropping from the default 420W to 300W hardly drops performance at all without changing a single graphics setting.
Alternatatively you can hard cap the clocks to your GPU’s “efficient” range. For my 3090 thats somewhere around 1500-1700 MHz, and TBH I do this more often, as it wastes less power from the GPU clocking up to uselessly inefficient voltages, but lets it “power up” for really intense workloads.
FYI you can do something similar with the CPU too, though it depends on the model and platform.
Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?
That’s entire dependent on a whole host of things. CPU, GPU, distro (mostly kernel version), open source vs proprietary drivers, proton version etc. Also some numbers can artificially look better if the feature is just straight up ignored by proton, or just broken. If you’re looking for some bleeding edge features then probably not.
7800X3D, Nvidia 3090, CachyOS, the latest arch kernel with whatever tweaks they have, I assume git Proton and all the distro’s riced settings. On CP2077’s side I’d like RTX reflections and DLSS as the only exotic settings, though I did run a mod that hacks in FSR 3.1 framegen.
I realize I probably have to test this myself, heh. But from what I gather (and past experience on a laptop 2060 with Linux) is that Nvidia is disadvantaged on Linux in this scenario.
this is like the one game my 3090 can’t quite handle to my satisfaction
Nvidia and Linux don’t have the best history. Their driver are not open source, so Valve developers have no means to improve performance and fix bugs on a driver level.
Success stories of Linux gaming are usually about Radeon and Arc GPUs whose drivers are fully open source.
This is what I was afraid of, and reflects my experience in the past, unfortunately. I am intimately familiar with Nvidia’s drivers and my random
Linux black screens…
I would have gotten a 7900 TBH, but prices were terrible at the time.
I don’t run any hardware with an NVidia GPU on Linux any longer, so I don’t have recent first hand experience but I do follow Linux news and every year or so it’s announced that Nvidia is working on the last feature that’s holding back perfection on Linux. NVidia drivers don’t support implicit sync but now that the Linux graphics layer supports explicit sync, the NVidia drivers make the “Final Steps Towards Ultimate Desktop Experience”. Same BS every year. Nvidia is always lagging behind on Linux.
I’ll consider using NVidia with Linux, should NVidia ever enter upstream kernel and Mesa development the same way AMD and Intel do.
I am intimately familiar with Nvidia’s drivers and my random Linux black screens…
Same here. At one point I was very versed in reinstalling the entire Linux graphics stack because the NVidia driver’s kernel module decided that it is no longer compatible with the lastest kernel update.
Of course. There’s always the ones for whom everything runs fine. These are the ones who aren’t affected by bugs in power management caused by Nvidia drivers because they use desktop PCs and not laptops. These are the ones who still used X11 five years after the rest of the Linux world moved to Wayland and when Nvidia drivers got good enough for Wayland, it’s always “see, how much Nvidia’s drivers have improved a lot since the 2010s!!”
Nvidia is lagging years behind on adopting newer technologies in the Linux graphics stack.
I didn’t say there are never any issues I said it’s fine. The idea that “success stories” are only amd is silly. 90/100 times unless you’re using bleeding edge hardware or pathologically fussy you just hit play and stuff works. 9 out of the remaining 10 times you tweak a proton version or wine setting, the other time it’s a driver bug.
Sometimes you don’t know what you’re missing though.
As an example, I figured out (on a 4900HS CPU/2060 GPU) that Stellaris and modded Rimworld game ticks are on the order of 40% slower running linux native, and still slower (but less dramatically so) in Proton. There was zero public information on this until I tested it myself.
As another example, modded Minecraft is dramatically faster on linux.
They run fine, yeah, but one’s game settings are kinda capped by CPU performance in all these titles. I don’t have to know the difference, but would like to, hence I’m wondering about CP2077 from the opposite side: am I missing out on a boost from linux?
As I promised, my own Cyberpunk testing of Windows Vs Linux on mostly the same hardware (they are on different SSDs, but I don’t think that’ll have a drastic impact).
TLDR: Windows framerates seem inconsistent, it’s first benchmark I ran (the first Ultra without DLSS) was way faster with no explanation. Aside from that and Ray Tracing: Overdrive, Linux seems to win, and by a large degree (+28 FPS average on the Low preset seems ridiculous).
I don’t think these results are broadly applicable to more machines. You probably won’t get +28 FPS by switching to Linux.
My best guess is that the performance difference may have a lot to do with different power/thermal targets, or that Windows was doing a lot in the background (it was running an update, but I didn’t expect a huge impact).
I’m guessing that on most hardware the
performance difference will be pretty small.
All benchmarks: plugged into OEM power supply. I held the laptop vertically so there were no restrictions to its airflow.
Game: Cyberpunk 2077 V2.3 with Phantom Liberty DLC, fullscreen 2560x1440. Values are given as Min / Average / Max FPS displayed by the game’s built in benchmark.
Linux (Bazzite 42):
NVIDIA driver 575.64.05
Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD
Performance power profile
I put KDE plasma on my elderly Mom’s surface laptop. She uses it mostly for organising photos, and she’s loving it. She complained that windows always “messes with her settings”. If she gets it, you can too.
As people already stated in the comments, this may not be a permanent change for some (they find out something like destiny 2 refuses to work on Linux without bans, some other tools needed for certain use cases are not there yet or windows only), but I think is super important people understand there are alternatives, and not only windows or Mac. Hopefully gives more people awareness that something else is out there. And would be really cool if we had more of the user base that is on the verge to throwing away the machine because of windows 11 restrictions and instead, gives machines a second chance.
All we can do is guide them. Personally, I guide them to treasure I cannot have, since I’m damn near obligated to run and deeply understand Microsoft Windows because I work for IT support.
I do use windows for work as well, but if people want adoption, it starts at home. I do see a need for Linux distros in general will have to make even a bigger shift for the user needs instead of whatever agenda people like to imply (I think open source is a good goal, but if I introduce Linux to someone, I will not for certain preach endlessly about this).
We need more adoption, but I also see some camps will decide to further distance themselves from these groups of users.
I’ve been running Linux on my desktop for more than 30 years, so I’ve switched for a while. And while I’d certainly like to see it become more commonplace, I’m not sure a few decimal points are really going to change anything. It’s nice that it’s making progress, of course, but all in all, it’s rather insignificant.
While it’s under 10, or more likely 15%, nobody will care about it.
People care a lot about macOS because you can charge users $15 for a GUI wrapper around a terminal command and they will pay and even recommend your app. I’m not even joking, there are a thousand examples of apps like this. If your app actually does anything, you can charge $30 and they will pay.
Now on Linux you could release the cure for cancer for $0.99 and you’d get screamed at. And I say that as a Linux user. Which means you need significantly higher numbers than macOS to achieve the same revenue, which also means the companies developing the commercial software that holds back adoption of Linux will take a long while before starting to care.
The knowledgeable users on MacOS install Homebrew (or nix if being a hipster) and get most of their cool tools for that.
With Windows, the default assumption is that the user has less money than a MacOS user so all the useless shit on Microsoft Store is cheaper than MacOS, but it’s still money for software that shouldn’t be paid.
In all seriousness fuck charging for cures, especially for cancer. Life is about more than getting paid. I just lost someone yesterday to cancer so I’m sure this is an outsized response, but seriously, cancer fucking sucks.
Developers already care about it. Not all of them, not all the way, but many are aiming for steam deck compatibility via proton. It’s not perfect, and some devs are vehemently holding out, but it’s progress!
Won’t miss those years tweaking Windows to uninstall or disable bloatware and malware. I don’t mind if more or less people migrate to Linux, I’m just grateful to those who are making and improving such amazingly good distros. 💪💛
It would be so hilarious to see historians refer to the market shift as “The Great Microsoft Recall” as like a literal recall in addition to the name of the feature.
Anyone have good experiences with the NVIDIA 50 series on Linux? I’ve tried a bunch different flavors over the years and I’m fairly distro agnostic as long as it doesn’t get too esoteric.
Also weird question does anyone know if Single Player Tarkov with Project Fika works on Linux? I think it should
Okay, I finally installed a new SSD yesterday so I could dual boot and put CachyOS on it. Played a few games and it worked surprisingly well.
But it did take quite a bit more doing than installing Windows. The USB drive wouldn’t boot when made with Rufus and I don’t quite get how to manage the games installed in Proton (like where is their virtual C: drive?).
I plan on migrating more of my stuff onto Linux in the coming days and will see if it can’t replace Windows eventually for me.
I’ve had a lot of success using Ventoy for my USB drive writing needs.
Every steam game has it’s own folder for it’s virtual windows directory.
You want to look in /home/your_name/.steam/steamapps/compatdata
The folders are all strings of numbers, each being the ID of the respective steam game. You can find the ID for any steam game just by going in it’s store page and looking at the URL. You don’t usually need to mess with this though, just browse the game files in your /steam/common folder.
Yeah Ventoy did the trick for me eventually but then I ran into the next issue, namely that the instructions said to place the ISO on the drive. What I actually needed to do was to mount the ISO and to copy the files contained therein to USB.
Thanks for pointing out the folder location. That was it. Now I don’t have to launch the Battle.Net installer each time I want to play Hearthstone (added it to Steam as an external game, which is not a bad idea, if a bit awkward).
Next will be how to share my Steam libraries between OSes and retain access to my (cloud) saves. Making first steps there with mounting my existing drives… but now I have to learn how to edit FSTAB… sigh.
Just putting the ISO directly into the ventoy folder on the USB should just work, it’s odd that you had to mount it and drag the files.
If you’re trying to use games installed on one drive between windows and Linux, I do not recommend attempting that. Windows can’t natively read Linux drive formats like ext4, and if you try to play games on an NTFS drive on Linux you WILL run into problems. Your cloud saves should just work normally though.
They just won’t function properly. There are permissions problems and while some games might work, you will run into games that simply won’t launch, or that have regular crashes, among other issues. I recommend installing the games you want to play on Linux there, and the ones you can’t on windows.
For fstab editing, try running “mount <path>” and check if it succeeds before rebooting, so you can still edit if there are mistakes.
FYI if you do a sytax mistake in fstab the entire OS might fail to boot. If it happens don’t panic, it’s easy to fix: you can use the install usb drive to edit fstab on your disk and try again (no need to reinstall!)
how to manage the games installed in Proton (virtual C drive)
They can be found in: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/<game app id>/pfx/drive_c/
For Elden Ring for example the path is: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/1245620/pfx/drive_c/
Biggest blockers are games with invasive and unsupported anti cheat or very new games.
Check https://www.protondb.com/ for the latest reports on games.
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OpenSUSE has drivers that nVidia releases and hosts on the nVidia repo specifically for Leap or Tumbleweed. I’ve never had driver issues.
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Don’t know about the X3D chips, but my 3070 TI is running flawlessly under Nobara (a Fedora flavor) - a few months ago there has been a huge boost in stability with the support of explicit sync.
I’m on Bazzite for almost a year now and I didn’t have a single issue with my 5800X3D.
Nvidia seems to be the biggest hurdle for most people. The simplest solution I’ve found has been universal Blue, Bazzite (specifically the Nvidia images). You don’t have to think twice about Nvidia as everything is preconfigured for you out of the gate, forever, in perpetuity.
I’m not aware of the x3d issues you speak of.
People often repeat that Nvidia is a nightmare to get working and that you need to install some sort of pre-packaged distro that configures Nvidia for you but… that hasn’t been true for years?
Get any distro you want, from Fedora to Arch, install nvidia-open, reboot… that’s it? Maybe install extra packages for 32 bit support, video decoding and CUDA if you want, optionally. Not different from installing Nvidia drivers on Windows at all, except you’re not running a .exe, but that’s true for any package.
I believe one of the problems is that nvidia is an out of kernel driver so it requires each kernel update to rebuild it. There is a lot of distro’s that handle this with a proper configuration of dkms but some dont and it causes issues that are hard to solve for the average user.
In my experience the version of Pop!OS with Nvidia support also works out of the box with no hassle.
I suspect the horror stories are from people who had to install the Nvidia support themselves.
What distro your using?
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Just tried gaming on Linux because I forgot my Ally and was stuck on my laptop. Sorry, guys, it still sucks. It’s getting better, though. Perhaps in another 10 years.
Could you be more specific? I’ve had very few issues gaming on Linux and haven’t felt like I’ve been missing anything. Mind you, I do skip games with kernel anti-cheat, but that’s the only real broad category of games I know have issues.
This specific time, I couldn’t synchronize my save files for GOG games. Something that is completely transparent on Windows.
uh oh you said something against Linux on Lemmy
Issues were?
Switched rest of the house to Linux due to win10 bullshit. Not going pretend like this is something that everyone can do but if you can do it for yourself, it takes only on Linux zealot per household ;)
Same here, except for my mom’s computer, because she needs a program for embroidery design that doesn’t work well on Linux despite being in the AUR. It’s called “Embrilliance”, and for some reason the cursor disappears whenever you try to draw freeform, so if anyone has any guidance on that, hit up my DMs, I’d love to solve it for her!
Sometimes switching DEs resolves these glitches for me.
But not sure if that’s a solution more like well around and that’s no good for non nerds
I could try it in another DE on my machine to see if that helps first. Maybe Cinnamon or XFCE would be good enough for her needs, I’d set her up with Plasma previously, which she liked but it’s a no-go without Embrilliance. If nothing else, it’s just one air-gapped Windows PC in the house, ultimately it doesn’t matter too much.
This is a great use-case for a live Linux environment. Throw one onto a drive and see if it works well, and if not, just restart and go back to what you have.
But, like you said, not a big deal either way.
Very true, if I find a DE that works with Embrilliance this weekend, I could use my Ventoy stick and see if she vibes with it. Good call!
Ventoy even supports persistence! It’s a bit poorly documented but you download the 1-2GB persistence volume, configure ventoy to include that feature and which ISOs to associate with which persistent volumes and you’re off to the races
Nice! That’s good to know for other things!
What’s the best Linux distro to play games? Im currently on Ubuntu 22.04 and won’t leave it as my main but I have a AMD TR 1950 with a GTX 1080 TI will to play some final fantasy.
All major distros are fine, but there are some niche that specialise in making it easy for people to play games. I use Garuda Linux for that reason. It has it’s own app that helps handling OS maintenance, you can install things like Heroic Launcher, Steam, and Proton with a couple of clicks, you have a nice app that checks for updates, etc., etc.
It’s still Linux, which means random shit breaks for no reason, but for gaming and not having to worry about keeping the OS alive it’s great.
Linux in no way means that “random shit breaks for no reason”, if anything that’s Windows. Some distributions may be easier to break if you don’t know what you are doing but that is not an OS problem.
Things that randomly broke for no reason:
Things that broke after I installed a dGPU:
Things that broke after a system update:
This was all in a span of around 3 months.
If it was “if anything that’s Windows”, then I would be doing nothing but fixing user issues with my ~300 Windows devices. That’s not the case.
Funny, that’s not the experience of the majority of people in this thread. Several flavors of Linux that have been listed are rock solid and require little to no user action to work and launch games. You can list all of the problems you want, that’s just 1 person’s experience. It could be because of the distribution you chose, because of your skills, anything. But it’s not statically relevant.
Also, please, Windows is known, has been known, and probably will be known for having shit break randomly. Don’t you think there would be a tiny bit more Windows dominance on the servers side if the opposite were true?
I’m willing to bet the majority of people in this thread already forgot about the “linuxism” they had to deal with when they were starting, and are experienced enough to handle any new ones as they come along.
Linux dominates the server realm for a completely different reason - Linux-based servers supported hot-updates much sooner than Windows Server did, and in systems where uptime was critical, people chose Linux. That also meant that the vast majority of “server admins” had Linux experience which also contributed.
This is slowly changing now - if you look at market stats, you can see that Windows Server is (painfully slowly, granted) regaining some momentum.
EDIT: also, fun fact - I used to work at a company that had around 300 MacBooks and 2500 Windows devices. Back then I was working as a Service Desk agent. The distribution of incidents for Windows and MacOS we were getting was VERY close to 50-50… So, it seems to me that “Windows is known, has been known, and probably will be known for having shit break randomly” mostly among people who don’t use Windows.
Yeah, “linuxism”, that must be it… That or it’s possible that the OS and distributions have evolved while you were not looking.
Linux dominates on servers because of that yes. Also because of its licensing costs, being open source, stable, secure (please don’t try to tell me Windows is more secure, please please please), better performance and lesser response time. Because a Debian stable will never break with simple security updates. I am also quite curious about getting a source for that claim that Windows Server is coming back.
Finally, do tell me where I mentioned MacOS. Unless you think that MacOS and Linux are the same? That wouldn’t surprise me considering your apparent knowledge (or lack of) about Linux. FYI MacOS is based on a BSD kernel.
As in: between today and six months ago, when I moved my personal PC to Linux and encountered various weird shit that just doesn’t happen on Windows?
Wait, are you one of those weird people who believe that there are no viruses on Linux and no security tools are needed?
Windows servers are under constant attack… Just like Linux devices are at all times.
I didn’t say “it’s coming back”. WS is still losing market share, but the losses slowed down pretty significantly in recent years. Sorry, I can’t find the source again because Google is shite. Feel free to disregard this point.
Fuck off with this tone, mate.
I mentioned MacOS as an example that Windows is not as buggy as you seem to believe. I guess that went over your head and I should denigrate you now?
The big benefit of linux servers for most businesses is that they tend to be configure-once systems, where you set it up, verify it works then no further maintenance is needed beyond applying updates in line with your update schedule and downtime windows. Sure there will every once in a while be something that changes but far less than you see with Windows Server where some registry values stopped working with a recent windows update without warning so now you have to track down new registry values to recreate the behavior. That and tracking down why Windows decided to ignore all of your settings and reboot this time (and how to stop it again)
I use arch, but they’re all equivalent. A distro is more like a preconfigured linux
Just pick one of the popular ones and tinker
Arch is the one thing that should be absolutely not recommended to beginners. Even implying that it is a suitable beginner distro in any way like you have done in this comment is only likely to drive away users when they inevitably get confused.
Existing Windows users mostly are not interested in even knowing of the existence of the Arch Wiki. They will just give up and conclude Linux is shit.
I left Debian for Arch recently and let me tell you, you immediately feel the difference with running the latest drivers for your machine. The bleeding edge drivers have upped my frames per second significantly in videos games compared to sticking with stable releases on Debian (and Ubuntu).
With the built-in
archinstallscript making Arch so easy to get going, I’d only reach for anything else if I really needed the stability.If you just want an experience as straight forward as the steam deck I have heard that the move is to just run Bazzite.
I highly recommend Nobara.
idk why you’re downvoted hella ppl use proton ge and hes the one making nobara
Exactly. Maybe I could have given more context but I wrote that comment right before my flight took off.
Like the others have said, all major distros are fine. Ubuntu is or used to be Valve’s “favourite distro” and the package that you can get from Valve’s website is for Ubuntu. That being said, software on Linux should be installed using the package manager (the Software Centre) and not downloaded from the Web.
You may wish to upgrade to Ubuntu 24.04 LTS later. This is fairly easy (you can use the Software Updater application) but the newer versions have better drivers and newer GNOME versions which may bring better performance.
Beware some issues if your hardware isnt popular, I have freezing on all kernels past 6.136-2, so I’m stuck there. (test them all every update, no matter what I get hella random freezing requiring a power button restart) It is very stable and fast tho, kinda scary thinking the bug never gets fixed tho, still new to Linux and assuming it’s bad to not update the kernel longgerm.
Have you tried a different distro base such as Fedora or SUSE compared to Debians based? I have a laptop that will not install Debian based distros due to hardware error or bug, or if it does install they fail to boot with hardware errors messages. Fedora and SUSE work though, and ironically nixOS.
Fedora Kinoite has worked perfectly for me.
I tried mint and endeavour (also arch tho so I guess its the same) Mint had the same freezing issue. Thought it was my hardware because I had reinstalled my os when problems began, eventually tried the lts kernel and it became stable like it was originally. They recentlly updated it tho, so I have to prevent updates (idk how so I just rollback from the cache after every pacman -Syu)
Nvidia?
all amd ryzen 6900hx 6850mxt
I had that issue last time I switched to Linux. Thankfully eventually it went away. It should help to distro hop to a more bleeding edge distro. Fedora specifically gets system updates every night through Discover.
I’m on cachyos, thought arch was the most bleeding edge
Arch is above my skill level at the moment. If CachyOS is an Arch distro, it could be related to Arch configuration issues.
I’m doing my part! Moving to a new country in a few days, part of the prep for that was to ditch my Windows desktop and I’ve been setting up a Linux laptop. Arch with KDE Plasma is so far the most enjoyable experience I’ve had with an OS
I’ve tried at various times to switch to Linux in the past. I’m enough of a turbo nerd you’d think it would have been easy for me but it was never quite there for one reason or another. This latest attempt though hot damn it’s all smooth sailing. I’ve even converted one of my friends to Mint and making progress convincing people who don’t want to use Windows 11 to just make the switch
Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?
By much? With HDR?
Sorry for the drive by comment, but this is like the one game my 3090 can’t quite handle to my satisfaction. I’ve thoroughly disabled the thing from rendering in Linux and don’t want to undo all that… But if I could get like another 10% over Windows, that would be incredible. Even 5% would be awesome.
Hey there! Recently downloaded Cyberpunk again to test my graphics card out.
openSUSE Tumbleweed, a 144hz 1080p ultrawide monitor (21:9), i9-10850K, nvidia 5080, raytracing and all settings on ultra, no DLSS fake frames only DLAA
I was getting from 75-120 (120 could be lower or higher as I can’t get to my computer right now) depending on what was on screen. In the city with lots of neon and ads going while driving around? 75-80 fps
Inside a building or not near any of the reflective causing lights? 90-120
I’m pretty sure my CPU is bottlenecking me for the most part, but it has never sweated on anything I threw at it, so didn’t see the need to upgrade just yet.
Hopefully that helps you out a little! I’ve got a lot of games I can report back on too, if needed! :)
Thanks! Though it doesn’t mean much without a windows reference :P
I’m pushing my poor 3090 to 4K with just RT reflections but a bunch of mods, and I’m generally getting over 60 with no framegen (which is my target).
FYI I found the game actually looks better with most of the RT disabled:
RT shadows tend to be blocky and flicker, while raster shadows “miss” more shadows but are razor sharp and stable.
RT lighting is neat for, say, reflecting a neon billboard, but I find it often clashes with built in raster lighting. For instance, it turns neon signs into blobs and messed up the Arasaka atrium in the intro.
RT reflections look incredible, especially in rain. No downside as far as I can tell.
Path tracing is a whole different ballgame my card can’t handle. But (when modded to fix it) it’s apparently extra incredible, and basically disables all the other in game settings.
Check out the digital foundry video too, which shows some of this
Good point about the Windows reference!
I will boot into Windows when I can and see the performance there I’ll report back after I run around the city and outside the city for a little bit!
I am curious to try out NexusMods Linux compatibility with their new modding app, so I haven’t gotten to mod the game yet. I wasn’t going to play through it again (4th playthrough lol) just yet.
I just remember in the “cutscenes” like driving with Panam or Takamura, the RT looking better than the baked lighting. My 2080ti on Windows wasn’t able to handle that all the time (less than 60 with medium RT, no DLSS) but the way the “cutscenes” looked was just so much better with RT on that as soon as they started, I’d turn it on. :O
Its RT reflections are doing most of the lifting driving around, I think, but they only take like 1/3 the FPS, while RT lighting and shadows are more subtle.
The settings may have been different in the past, can’t remember… I was playing on a laptop 2060, heh.
Thanks! I am curious, though I am glad to hear RT and such works well on Linux.
I think there’s huge variability, but as a gross overgeneralization AMD gpus run Cyberpunk 2077 a bit faster on Linux than Windows, and nVidia gpus run it a bit slower on Linux than on Windows.
If you’ve got a spare usb hard drive you could always install Linux there for a test drive though. You might be able to find a setup that gets you the extra performance you’re looking for.
I already dual boot CachyOS! In fact I spent a lot of time tweaking schedulers, power, undervolting the GPU and such for compute performance, but I think it’s well tuned for gaming too.
It’s just annoying because I beat the GPU into submission with tons of settings (as Nvidia is funny with Wayland), so its display out is totally disabled. It’s a lot to undo.
See, that makes it sound to me like you could probably come up with a setup that would do what you want, but that doing so would probably mean making it worse at some of the other things you currently use it for.
Which is where using an external drive for a third installation might be easier. Or at least easier to dispose of if you get sick of the project. But I am perhaps unusually lazy in that regard.
You raise an excellent point.
TBH I am both lazy, and a bit paranoid/afraid of dealing with Nvidia rendering issues (even if using my IGP for desktop work), but it would probably be fine and I’m… just being lazy and paranoid.
I don’t think it would make it worse for compute work.
An external 3rd partition does sound appealing, though one quirk is that CP2077 does really like SSDs. I have a slow external SSD, but it still might muddy an A/B test.
If you have a desktop, these work great for swapping SSDs out. Get a pair and swap them out whenever you need/want to. You just need a spare x4 (or larger) PCI-e slot, which is pretty common to have. (Technically they work fine with a x1 slot, but then you are slowing the SSD down.)
I’ve got an ITX mini PC with both nvme and the graphics slot filled, heh.
I am not sure, as I’ve actually only played it under Linux. I have a laptop with an RTX 3070. It’s able to handle the raytraced low setting at 1080p, but I just run High instead so that the fan isn’t as loud. And in my opinion that even looks pretty good. I might try start it under windows and run its benchmark because I’m curious now! I’ll update here if I remember to do this test.
Also, you might be able to fix that!
I clock limit my 3090 to like 1700MHz-1750Mhz with Nvidia-smi (built into the driver) since any faster is just diminishing returns. You might check what “stable clocks” your 3070 runs at, and cap them slightlt lower, and even try an under volt as well.
Be sure to cap the frame rate too.
Do that, and you might be able to handle RT reflections and otherwise similar settings without much noise. The hit for just that setting is modest on my 3090 but much heavier with full “low” RT
I’ll have to look into seeing if I can mess with that! It’s a laptop 3070, so they:'ve already made some changes (fewer cores, lower boost clocks). My laptop sets a 100 W max TGP for it.
TBH though I’ve found myself caring more about the convenience of playing games (comfort, portability, ease of interrupting) more than graphics settings. Yeah it’s very pretty with ray tracing and all, but I’m totally fine with playing on medium or high.
Thanks for the ideas! Hopefully I can push the graphics up without turning into a pile of lava. I need to figure out how to record graphics power consumption for me to reference to evaluate changes.
It’s far more efficient to just TDP limit your GPU rather than lowering settings to try and get power consumption (and laptop fan speed) down. It will stick to slightly lower clocks, which is exponentially better since that also lowers voltage, and voltage increases power consumption quadratically.
Otherwise it will always try to boost to 100W anyway.
You can do this with MSI Afterburner easily, or you can do it in Windows with just the command line. For example,
nvidia-smi -pl 80will set the power limit to 80W (until you restart your PC).nvidia-smiby itself will show all its default settings.I do this with my 3090, and dropping from the default 420W to 300W hardly drops performance at all without changing a single graphics setting.
Alternatatively you can hard cap the clocks to your GPU’s “efficient” range. For my 3090 thats somewhere around 1500-1700 MHz, and TBH I do this more often, as it wastes less power from the GPU clocking up to uselessly inefficient voltages, but lets it “power up” for really intense workloads.
FYI you can do something similar with the CPU too, though it depends on the model and platform.
Thank you very much, kind graphics wizard. I will put this knowledge to good use saving my ears from that fan. This is exactly what I was looking for!
That’s entire dependent on a whole host of things. CPU, GPU, distro (mostly kernel version), open source vs proprietary drivers, proton version etc. Also some numbers can artificially look better if the feature is just straight up ignored by proton, or just broken. If you’re looking for some bleeding edge features then probably not.
7800X3D, Nvidia 3090, CachyOS, the latest arch kernel with whatever tweaks they have, I assume git Proton and all the distro’s riced settings. On CP2077’s side I’d like RTX reflections and DLSS as the only exotic settings, though I did run a mod that hacks in FSR 3.1 framegen.
I realize I probably have to test this myself, heh. But from what I gather (and past experience on a laptop 2060 with Linux) is that Nvidia is disadvantaged on Linux in this scenario.
Nvidia and Linux don’t have the best history. Their driver are not open source, so Valve developers have no means to improve performance and fix bugs on a driver level.
Success stories of Linux gaming are usually about Radeon and Arc GPUs whose drivers are fully open source.
This is what I was afraid of, and reflects my experience in the past, unfortunately. I am intimately familiar with Nvidia’s drivers and my random Linux black screens…
I would have gotten a 7900 TBH, but prices were terrible at the time.
I don’t run any hardware with an NVidia GPU on Linux any longer, so I don’t have recent first hand experience but I do follow Linux news and every year or so it’s announced that Nvidia is working on the last feature that’s holding back perfection on Linux. NVidia drivers don’t support implicit sync but now that the Linux graphics layer supports explicit sync, the NVidia drivers make the “Final Steps Towards Ultimate Desktop Experience”. Same BS every year. Nvidia is always lagging behind on Linux.
I’ll consider using NVidia with Linux, should NVidia ever enter upstream kernel and Mesa development the same way AMD and Intel do.
Same here. At one point I was very versed in reinstalling the entire Linux graphics stack because the NVidia driver’s kernel module decided that it is no longer compatible with the lastest kernel update.
Screw Nvidia.
I’d be on AMD if they weren’t price gouging just as bad (or worse), or on Intel if they offered 24GB+ cards for less than a car.
What? I have a 2060 and shit runs fine. Nvidia’s drivers have improved a lot since the 2010s.
Of course. There’s always the ones for whom everything runs fine. These are the ones who aren’t affected by bugs in power management caused by Nvidia drivers because they use desktop PCs and not laptops. These are the ones who still used X11 five years after the rest of the Linux world moved to Wayland and when Nvidia drivers got good enough for Wayland, it’s always “see, how much Nvidia’s drivers have improved a lot since the 2010s!!”
Nvidia is lagging years behind on adopting newer technologies in the Linux graphics stack.
Edit: These days it’s “HDR can cause game-breaking graphical artifacts”.
I didn’t say there are never any issues I said it’s fine. The idea that “success stories” are only amd is silly. 90/100 times unless you’re using bleeding edge hardware or pathologically fussy you just hit play and stuff works. 9 out of the remaining 10 times you tweak a proton version or wine setting, the other time it’s a driver bug.
Sometimes you don’t know what you’re missing though.
As an example, I figured out (on a 4900HS CPU/2060 GPU) that Stellaris and modded Rimworld game ticks are on the order of 40% slower running linux native, and still slower (but less dramatically so) in Proton. There was zero public information on this until I tested it myself.
As another example, modded Minecraft is dramatically faster on linux.
They run fine, yeah, but one’s game settings are kinda capped by CPU performance in all these titles. I don’t have to know the difference, but would like to, hence I’m wondering about CP2077 from the opposite side: am I missing out on a boost from linux?
Luckily I didn’t write that.
Another good nugget, thanks (as I’d like to play in HDR).
And Directx 12(VKD3D) as of writing this has issues on Nvidia
Thanks, these are the kind of nuggets I’m looking for.
Not that I blame the vulkan translation layer at all. It’s incredible it even works on Nvidia.
Ig the fix came out?
As I promised, my own Cyberpunk testing of Windows Vs Linux on mostly the same hardware (they are on different SSDs, but I don’t think that’ll have a drastic impact).
TLDR: Windows framerates seem inconsistent, it’s first benchmark I ran (the first Ultra without DLSS) was way faster with no explanation. Aside from that and Ray Tracing: Overdrive, Linux seems to win, and by a large degree (+28 FPS average on the Low preset seems ridiculous).
I don’t think these results are broadly applicable to more machines. You probably won’t get +28 FPS by switching to Linux.
My best guess is that the performance difference may have a lot to do with different power/thermal targets, or that Windows was doing a lot in the background (it was running an update, but I didn’t expect a huge impact).
I’m guessing that on most hardware the performance difference will be pretty small.
Hardware: ROG Zephyrus G15 GA503QR Laptop Ryzen 9 5900HS, 16 GiB DDR4 RTX 3070 Laptop GPU 2560x1440 screen, up to 165 Hz
All benchmarks: plugged into OEM power supply. I held the laptop vertically so there were no restrictions to its airflow.
Game: Cyberpunk 2077 V2.3 with Phantom Liberty DLC, fullscreen 2560x1440. Values are given as Min / Average / Max FPS displayed by the game’s built in benchmark.
Linux (Bazzite 42): NVIDIA driver 575.64.05 Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD Performance power profile
Low Preset ( no upscaling): 57.49 / 68.42 / 83.86 FPS
Ultra Preset(no upscaling): 32.91 / 39.27 / 49.71 FPS
Ultra (DLSS Transformer model, Auto): 41.11 / 48.70 / 61.30 FPS
Ray Tracing: Low Preset (DLSS transformer model, Auto): 44.12 / 51.70 / 61.63 FPS
Ray Tracing: Ultra Preset (DLSS transformer model, Auto): 29.24 / 34.26 / 39.81 FPS
Ray Tracing: Overdrive Preset (DLSS transformer model, Auto): 15.03 / 17.71 / 20.45 FPS
Windows (Windows 11 Home 23H2): GeForce Game Ready Driver 580.88 SK Hynix HFM001TD3JX013N SSD “Turbo” power profile (in ASUS Armoury Crate)
Low Preset (no upscaling): 35.68 / 40.68 / 45.17 FPS
Ultra Preset(no upscaling): 40.53 / 52.88 / 65 FPS
Ultra Preset (no upscaling, Round 2): 29.68 / 35.63 / 39.94 FPS
Ultra (DLSS Transformer model, Auto): 36.71 / 47.20 / 55.32 FPS
Ray Tracing: Low Preset (DLSS transformer model, Auto): 28.55 / 32.41 / 35.85 FPS
Ray Tracing: Ultra Preset (DLSS transformer model, Auto): 22.23 / 27.25 / 30.86 FPS
Ray Tracing: Overdrive Preset (DLSS transformer model, Auto): 17.74 / 19.96 / 22.64 FPS
With path tracing it runs significantly worse than it does on Windows. Without it, it runs roughly the same. RTX 4060 Ti.
Awesome, thanks!
I put KDE plasma on my elderly Mom’s surface laptop. She uses it mostly for organising photos, and she’s loving it. She complained that windows always “messes with her settings”. If she gets it, you can too.
As people already stated in the comments, this may not be a permanent change for some (they find out something like destiny 2 refuses to work on Linux without bans, some other tools needed for certain use cases are not there yet or windows only), but I think is super important people understand there are alternatives, and not only windows or Mac. Hopefully gives more people awareness that something else is out there. And would be really cool if we had more of the user base that is on the verge to throwing away the machine because of windows 11 restrictions and instead, gives machines a second chance.
All we can do is guide them. Personally, I guide them to treasure I cannot have, since I’m damn near obligated to run and deeply understand Microsoft Windows because I work for IT support.
All of my work tools are Windows centric.
I do use windows for work as well, but if people want adoption, it starts at home. I do see a need for Linux distros in general will have to make even a bigger shift for the user needs instead of whatever agenda people like to imply (I think open source is a good goal, but if I introduce Linux to someone, I will not for certain preach endlessly about this).
We need more adoption, but I also see some camps will decide to further distance themselves from these groups of users.
I’ve been running Linux on my desktop for more than 30 years, so I’ve switched for a while. And while I’d certainly like to see it become more commonplace, I’m not sure a few decimal points are really going to change anything. It’s nice that it’s making progress, of course, but all in all, it’s rather insignificant.
While it’s under 10, or more likely 15%, nobody will care about it.
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People care a lot about macOS because you can charge users $15 for a GUI wrapper around a terminal command and they will pay and even recommend your app. I’m not even joking, there are a thousand examples of apps like this. If your app actually does anything, you can charge $30 and they will pay.
Now on Linux you could release the cure for cancer for $0.99 and you’d get screamed at. And I say that as a Linux user. Which means you need significantly higher numbers than macOS to achieve the same revenue, which also means the companies developing the commercial software that holds back adoption of Linux will take a long while before starting to care.
Isn’t it the same on Windows tbh?
The knowledgeable users on MacOS install Homebrew (or nix if being a hipster) and get most of their cool tools for that.
With Windows, the default assumption is that the user has less money than a MacOS user so all the useless shit on Microsoft Store is cheaper than MacOS, but it’s still money for software that shouldn’t be paid.
In all seriousness fuck charging for cures, especially for cancer. Life is about more than getting paid. I just lost someone yesterday to cancer so I’m sure this is an outsized response, but seriously, cancer fucking sucks.
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Developers already care about it. Not all of them, not all the way, but many are aiming for steam deck compatibility via proton. It’s not perfect, and some devs are vehemently holding out, but it’s progress!
That doesn’t seem to take a lot of effort. It’s still a windows binary. And it’s unfortunately simpler than figuring out if the user runs X or not.
Won’t miss those years tweaking Windows to uninstall or disable bloatware and malware. I don’t mind if more or less people migrate to Linux, I’m just grateful to those who are making and improving such amazingly good distros. 💪💛
Instead you’ll spend your time littering your own computer with bloatware!
Microsoft Recall and Steam Deck and Proton are why.
It would be so hilarious to see historians refer to the market shift as “The Great Microsoft Recall” as like a literal recall in addition to the name of the feature.
Anyone have good experiences with the NVIDIA 50 series on Linux? I’ve tried a bunch different flavors over the years and I’m fairly distro agnostic as long as it doesn’t get too esoteric.
Also weird question does anyone know if Single Player Tarkov with Project Fika works on Linux? I think it should
My gaming distro of choice is Garuda. As long as I keep everything up to date, everything just works.
But it’s also an Arch based distro so everything is bleeding edge, which poses risks of it’s own. I’ve not had it bite me yet, but the risk is there.
Yeah, my gaming rig, running bazzite. Works how it should, no fuss, games well. Give it a run I say
Steamdeck
Okay, I finally installed a new SSD yesterday so I could dual boot and put CachyOS on it. Played a few games and it worked surprisingly well.
But it did take quite a bit more doing than installing Windows. The USB drive wouldn’t boot when made with Rufus and I don’t quite get how to manage the games installed in Proton (like where is their virtual C: drive?).
I plan on migrating more of my stuff onto Linux in the coming days and will see if it can’t replace Windows eventually for me.
I’ve had a lot of success using Ventoy for my USB drive writing needs. Every steam game has it’s own folder for it’s virtual windows directory. You want to look in /home/your_name/.steam/steamapps/compatdata The folders are all strings of numbers, each being the ID of the respective steam game. You can find the ID for any steam game just by going in it’s store page and looking at the URL. You don’t usually need to mess with this though, just browse the game files in your /steam/common folder.
Yeah Ventoy did the trick for me eventually but then I ran into the next issue, namely that the instructions said to place the ISO on the drive. What I actually needed to do was to mount the ISO and to copy the files contained therein to USB.
Thanks for pointing out the folder location. That was it. Now I don’t have to launch the Battle.Net installer each time I want to play Hearthstone (added it to Steam as an external game, which is not a bad idea, if a bit awkward).
Next will be how to share my Steam libraries between OSes and retain access to my (cloud) saves. Making first steps there with mounting my existing drives… but now I have to learn how to edit FSTAB… sigh.
Just putting the ISO directly into the ventoy folder on the USB should just work, it’s odd that you had to mount it and drag the files. If you’re trying to use games installed on one drive between windows and Linux, I do not recommend attempting that. Windows can’t natively read Linux drive formats like ext4, and if you try to play games on an NTFS drive on Linux you WILL run into problems. Your cloud saves should just work normally though.
What kind of problems? I REALLY don’t want to have hundreds of gigabytes in duplicate files on my system.
They just won’t function properly. There are permissions problems and while some games might work, you will run into games that simply won’t launch, or that have regular crashes, among other issues. I recommend installing the games you want to play on Linux there, and the ones you can’t on windows.
For fstab editing, try running “mount <path>” and check if it succeeds before rebooting, so you can still edit if there are mistakes. FYI if you do a sytax mistake in fstab the entire OS might fail to boot. If it happens don’t panic, it’s easy to fix: you can use the install usb drive to edit fstab on your disk and try again (no need to reinstall!)
There are also graphical tools. I never used them, but it might be easier if you are not feeling super sure on what to do: https://superuser.com/questions/346606/is-there-any-gui-tool-to-configure-etc-fstab
I also use steam to manage external launchers. It’s a bit clunky, but it keeps proton updated and works quite well once it’s set up.
Welcome to linux, and do ask around for help / tips if you need!
Welcome to gaming on Linux!
They can be found in: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/<game app id>/pfx/drive_c/ For Elden Ring for example the path is: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/1245620/pfx/drive_c/
Biggest blockers are games with invasive and unsupported anti cheat or very new games. Check https://www.protondb.com/ for the latest reports on games.