We really also need payment neutrality. I don’t like the content that’s being removed, but I really don’t like that visa gets to decide that websites are allowed to show, sell, and everything else. I don’t give half a damn if someone decides to swipe their card at the heroin and machine gun store, visa shouldn’t be the one deciding that they can’t make that transaction
Fully agreed. On the service-provider side, we have ‘safe harbor’ laws: A site isn’t liable for copyrighted user-generated content as long as they have mechanisms to take down items when notified.
Liability-wise: The payment processors should have no fucking insight into what is being sold, only that they handle the transactions. Therefore, they should have no liability, similar to “safe harbor”.
Reputation-wise: I can almost see a history where Visa, for example, used a statement like “we don’t handle transactions for X” as a marketing ploy… but that is way past where we are. There’s no chance of reputational damage to a payment processor for the items for which they handled a payment. Combined with the above, if I say I’m giving $20 to Tim, you give $20 to Tim and take it from me. Done. Not your problem.
As another commenter stated, the payment processor should be a dumb pipe, and anything illegal being sold should be a liability for the seller or buyer. The idea of a moral judgement of the processor is as stupid as a water pipe to your house cutting off the flow if your shower runs too long.
The real problem is the politicians, or lobbyists/influencers, who are sending bribes to each other to gain advantage… but visa doesn’t have a problem handling a venmo transaction for ‘tuition’.
Let me buy horny games until after you block world superpower corruption first. But honestly, don’t even do that. Just handle moving the money when someone send it. That’s your only job.
Ohh look i did want to to argue either. I just think it is a bad idea to throw those two together because most people are too ignorant/emotional to make a difference and thats bad.
And a thought is not a crime imo so whatever fantasy rocks your boat idc.
It’s only a matter of time before they come for furry stuff. They did it with fansly. It’s apparently “simulated bestiality” and from what I’ve heard you aren’t even allowed to reference trans puppy girls, pup play, etc without getting banned.
Wait, puppy play would get you banned? Isn’t that just, like, wearing funny ears and walking around on hands and knees or whatever? Maybe at most a tail buttplug? I don’t really get the appeal myself, but it seems pretty damn benign.
So?
It’s a game with a representation of something that can’t even happen. It doesn’t even get to the point where you could have a discussion about simulation creating a demand for real that some things have because it’s not even remotely realistic.
It’s not my cup of tea, but that just means I don’t look at it.
It’s because you think it’s icky and you don’t know how to handle those feelings, isn’t it?
Otherwise you’re lying to yourself. I think children not getting exposed for cartoon porn is a pretty good stop. Especially when the perpetrators seem to think it’s harmless.
Stop pretending that furries is about anything other than fantasy of fucking your favorite cartoon please.
You should work on learning how to handle those feelings. Most people just ignore it when other people do stuff they think is gross if it’s not hurting anyone.
For example, I think egg salad is pretty gross. I manage this in my day to day life by “not buying egg salad”, and if I run into it I usually just “move along quickly”, or say “oh, no thank you”.
I doubt people are as pushy with furry porn as they are with egg salad, unless you and I live in shockingly different worlds.
Some, maybe. Regardless, if two consenting adults want to pretend to be animals or even pretend to be kids while they hump I really don’t see a problem.
What happens between two (or more) consenting adults that isn’t causing harm to others is none of your business.
Don’t like it? Don’t do it or watch it or play games themed around it.
And don’t be a sad individual who is only able to get joy from shitting on things others like. Because that life only ends in you dying miserable and alone, with nobody to mourn your passing and the last time your name is spoken being by the priest who rushes through a form-letter eulogy to get you sent off to the beyond as quick as possible.
I was gonna get The Adventures of Kincaid,a furry porn game where you can screw several characters and enemies when you defeat them. The player character is female, and the sex is framed as the character patching up defeated enemies.
There is a similar free game called Naughty Rabbit by a Japanese developer called Be Kon Box… but it is kinda rapey until you realize the females can refuse sex if you don’t do it right, which makes me wonder if the sexual dynamics of the world involve kicking ass as courtship before screwing. Also he added some dynamics where the female enemies sexually assault the male player character. Its kinda fascinating.
I wouldn’t really care if Steam decided to crack down on porn games, its their store. Payment processors being the ones to force Valve’s hands simply doesn’t sit right.
Dude SWIFT has more financial power and sway than visa and mastercard. They’re the folks who manage the network that allows bank transfers to happen nigh instantaneously. So if they block you, you are fucked.
It doesn’t matter what was banned. It could be the most heinous shit imaginable and payment processors dictating what is allowed to exist would still be horrible.
yup. there’s a whole bunch of people who will cry ‘but this slippery slope’ - sorry your incest twins use too much lube, that freaky slope is your problem, not Steam’s. get over yourselves. it’s a private company, nothing compels it to carry your daddy twins incest shit.
Everybody relax! The arbitrary moralizing exclusion of perfectly legal software was only stuff that sounds gross and unpopular.
There’s no way this censorship could affect anything benign, here in this era of unquestioned queer acceptance, free expression between adults, and reliable protection of individual rights.
Link post about this thing an hour earlier - 10 upvotes. Picture with the same news one hour later - 10x more. Average Lemmy user is no longer distinguishable from a Reddit user :(
Is it just me, or does the first photo seem to read that the payment processor standards and the removal of invest games are unrelated? Like, games removed that violate payments processor standards removed. At the same time, incest games are removed too.
With the paragraph break it feels unclear that these incest games are likely in violation of the standards, and instead that they are seperate matters and in fact payments processors may not care about incest games at all.
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They might sort of have to do this or risk being cut off, given the loss of US Net Neutrality and the new pro-business-rights administration.
We really also need payment neutrality. I don’t like the content that’s being removed, but I really don’t like that visa gets to decide that websites are allowed to show, sell, and everything else. I don’t give half a damn if someone decides to swipe their card at the heroin and machine gun store, visa shouldn’t be the one deciding that they can’t make that transaction
Fully agreed. On the service-provider side, we have ‘safe harbor’ laws: A site isn’t liable for copyrighted user-generated content as long as they have mechanisms to take down items when notified.
Liability-wise: The payment processors should have no fucking insight into what is being sold, only that they handle the transactions. Therefore, they should have no liability, similar to “safe harbor”.
Reputation-wise: I can almost see a history where Visa, for example, used a statement like “we don’t handle transactions for X” as a marketing ploy… but that is way past where we are. There’s no chance of reputational damage to a payment processor for the items for which they handled a payment. Combined with the above, if I say I’m giving $20 to Tim, you give $20 to Tim and take it from me. Done. Not your problem.
As another commenter stated, the payment processor should be a dumb pipe, and anything illegal being sold should be a liability for the seller or buyer. The idea of a moral judgement of the processor is as stupid as a water pipe to your house cutting off the flow if your shower runs too long.
The real problem is the politicians, or lobbyists/influencers, who are sending bribes to each other to gain advantage… but visa doesn’t have a problem handling a venmo transaction for ‘tuition’.
Let me buy horny games until after you block world superpower corruption first. But honestly, don’t even do that. Just handle moving the money when someone send it. That’s your only job.
Or maybe using the payment processor’s TOS allows them to remove pervy Ai horseshit without having to mod their own TOS. Slam dunk, frankly:
Or maybe using the payment processor’s TOS allows them to remove pervy Ai horseshit without having to mod their own TOS.
Slam dunk, frankly.
Payment processors and financial institutions sure do seem to hold disproportionate amounts of power.
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Ohh look i did want to to argue either. I just think it is a bad idea to throw those two together because most people are too ignorant/emotional to make a difference and thats bad.
And a thought is not a crime imo so whatever fantasy rocks your boat idc.
What happens when someone bought these games. Do they get deleted from their computers and/or from their accounts? Do they get reimbursed?
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It’s only a matter of time before they come for furry stuff. They did it with fansly. It’s apparently “simulated bestiality” and from what I’ve heard you aren’t even allowed to reference trans puppy girls, pup play, etc without getting banned.
That’s different than cub stuff right?
Yes. Cub stuff can be banned for all I care.
Wait, puppy play would get you banned? Isn’t that just, like, wearing funny ears and walking around on hands and knees or whatever? Maybe at most a tail buttplug? I don’t really get the appeal myself, but it seems pretty damn benign.
Good. That shit is vile.
So?
It’s a game with a representation of something that can’t even happen. It doesn’t even get to the point where you could have a discussion about simulation creating a demand for real that some things have because it’s not even remotely realistic.
It’s not my cup of tea, but that just means I don’t look at it.
It’s because you think it’s icky and you don’t know how to handle those feelings, isn’t it?
I find the fact that people want to fuck animals pretty nasty, yes.
Well then stuff your puritanical BS. Stop making your discomfort towards something that causes no harm into someone else’s problem.
As long as the shit is on the internet where kids can find it, i’m gonna have problems with it.
Do you think Lemmy checks for age?
Stop using children as a stand-in for your discomfort. That is so overdone.
I’m sure you have your limit too.
Otherwise you’re lying to yourself. I think children not getting exposed for cartoon porn is a pretty good stop. Especially when the perpetrators seem to think it’s harmless.
Stop pretending that furries is about anything other than fantasy of fucking your favorite cartoon please.
You should work on learning how to handle those feelings. Most people just ignore it when other people do stuff they think is gross if it’s not hurting anyone.
For example, I think egg salad is pretty gross. I manage this in my day to day life by “not buying egg salad”, and if I run into it I usually just “move along quickly”, or say “oh, no thank you”.
I doubt people are as pushy with furry porn as they are with egg salad, unless you and I live in shockingly different worlds.
People doesn’t put egg salad on their face and say its their gender.
Grow up. You’ll have a better time if you learn to live and let live without being bothered by what other people do that doesn’t involve you.
Less vile than those who shame harmless kinks
“harmless”
Consenting adults doing something in private triggers your harm alarm?
Oh let people enjoy stuff you don’t agree with
Sure. You like beastialty too?
If it’s fiction, who fucking cares?
Oh damn, ya got me
Have you ever heard of the straw man fallacy?
Thank you for your contribution, it’s suitably appreciated.
You don’t have to like it, I’m certainly not into it. Still failing to see how it not being for you justifies puritanical bans
It’s not puritanical when the subject hints at beastialty. If you want to fuck animals, seek help.
Does a diaper wearing fetish predispose someone to pedophilia? This reeks of slippery slope fallacy
They probably do wear diapers aswell.
Some, maybe. Regardless, if two consenting adults want to pretend to be animals or even pretend to be kids while they hump I really don’t see a problem.
That’s the fucking thing. It’s played up to the point that kids might find it and like it.
It wouldn’t be a problem if they didn’t fucking have conventions celebrating it. With kids.
Or, you know. On FUCKING STEAM.
you must be into beastility, if your projecting this much about it, .
Thanks there Freud. You got me there. Can’t wait to get home and unload my insecurities in the next animal i see. 🙃
Hey, no kink shaming!
What happens between two (or more) consenting adults that isn’t causing harm to others is none of your business.
Don’t like it? Don’t do it or watch it or play games themed around it.
And don’t be a sad individual who is only able to get joy from shitting on things others like. Because that life only ends in you dying miserable and alone, with nobody to mourn your passing and the last time your name is spoken being by the priest who rushes through a form-letter eulogy to get you sent off to the beyond as quick as possible.
It does extend to others since they put animated, innocent “kid-friendly” looking porn on imageboards.
And yes it’s akin to beastialty which is vile. Why else would you dress up like an animal?
Let the adults be adults, and let the parents to their jobs. No need to grandstand on something so petty.
Nice of you to justify beastialty on Steam.
why shouldn’t people be allowed to make artistic choices when drawing pornography?
They can keep the beastialty shit to themselves.
90000% agreeing with you, video games are for little children and should never contain any adult material!
Fuck off
Just because you get hard from stroking your pet, doesn’t mean that it’s healthy.
I was gonna get The Adventures of Kincaid,a furry porn game where you can screw several characters and enemies when you defeat them. The player character is female, and the sex is framed as the character patching up defeated enemies.
There is a similar free game called Naughty Rabbit by a Japanese developer called Be Kon Box… but it is kinda rapey until you realize the females can refuse sex if you don’t do it right, which makes me wonder if the sexual dynamics of the world involve kicking ass as courtship before screwing. Also he added some dynamics where the female enemies sexually assault the male player character. Its kinda fascinating.
Incest tales: Sister and Mom is my favorite.
What’s next, loli hentai?
Nah, too many politicians like those for them to get banned.
Nah nah, it’s going to get banned, because the politicians dont need to pretend with virtual lolis /s/
I hate that this comment is too close to reality.
I wouldn’t really care if Steam decided to crack down on porn games, its their store. Payment processors being the ones to force Valve’s hands simply doesn’t sit right.
an unelected duopoly can basically dictate global laws.
definitely dystopian
Dude SWIFT has more financial power and sway than visa and mastercard. They’re the folks who manage the network that allows bank transfers to happen nigh instantaneously. So if they block you, you are fucked.
Ah, so I guess Canada doesn’t use them! Haha
Haha but also last I checked everyone but north Korea uses them and north Korea I’m just pulling out of my ass because it makes sense to me.
Oh shit, I saw that the original Leisure Suit Larry games are no longer for sale… wonder if this is why?
Naw. That’s a rights issue, however they are available on GOG.
After looking at the game list, I fully support this and urge anyone who doesn’t to look at the banned games.
It doesn’t matter what was banned. It could be the most heinous shit imaginable and payment processors dictating what is allowed to exist would still be horrible.
yup. there’s a whole bunch of people who will cry ‘but this slippery slope’ - sorry your incest twins use too much lube, that freaky slope is your problem, not Steam’s. get over yourselves. it’s a private company, nothing compels it to carry your daddy twins incest shit.
Everybody relax! The arbitrary moralizing exclusion of perfectly legal software was only stuff that sounds gross and unpopular.
There’s no way this censorship could affect anything benign, here in this era of unquestioned queer acceptance, free expression between adults, and reliable protection of individual rights.
First they came for the incestuous anime foot job simulators, and I did not speak out, because I was not that freakydeaky
Did you just rule 34 that “first they came for…” poem? Jesus Christ. Bravo, but still.
Link post about this thing an hour earlier - 10 upvotes. Picture with the same news one hour later - 10x more. Average Lemmy user is no longer distinguishable from a Reddit user :(
What are you complaining about here exactly?
I’m complaining about the state of things.
Is it just me, or does the first photo seem to read that the payment processor standards and the removal of invest games are unrelated? Like, games removed that violate payments processor standards removed. At the same time, incest games are removed too.
With the paragraph break it feels unclear that these incest games are likely in violation of the standards, and instead that they are seperate matters and in fact payments processors may not care about incest games at all.
It’s just you.
Y’all care about kinky games on steam? Isn’t that what’s itch.io for?
Honest question. I never bought something fucky on steam.
Only a matter of time before the same thing happens to itch.io
It started on itch, which I’m betting is one reason why so many moved to steam