For over two decades, Counter-Strike has offered an elite competitive experience, one shaped by millions of players from across the globe. And now the next chapter in the CS story is about to begin. This is Counter-Strike 2.
So do you think the game is worth getting back into now, or should I just give up all hope at ever being half decent at this game?
Last time I played was in 2014. Started as a Silver I, and worked my way up to Gold 1. I was never a competent player. I feel like if I try to get back into it now, the game will just be full of the same old players from past CS titles and I’ll still stand zero chance of ever getting gud. Or do you think the sequel will bring in enough new players that I might do alright?
If you’re trying to be good, stop right there. You can become competent, you can grind nade lineups and do hundreds and hundreds of scrims or hours of warm ups and aim training and movement training, and there will ALWAYS be someone better than you, you will NEVER reach the top of the mountain. If you’re playing to have fun and are having fun with the game, you should play, because counter strike IS fun, but after getting out of the grindset, all I see when I look at my friends play is how little fun and joy they’re actually getting out of the game and it’s depressing as shit, don’t be like them
Don’t worry I don’t bother with all that shit. I practice by playing deathmatch. I just want to be good enough to stay out of silver this time around. That’s enough for me.
I just play it for fun now. Try harding it made me miserable. But yeah, there are a lot of new players and it is a new ranked system so you might climb higher.
Been playing casual. Doing a lot better than I thought I would. So now I’m wondering if I’m better than I thought, or if casual matchmaking is skill-based as well.
Yes and no, if you enjoyed your time why not? If you are thinking about features then no… The game is still very early open beta sort of feel atm it has the core gameplay but some things might feel off, and most game modes are missing, granted you haven’t played in a while so you might not notice any of this, I say give it a shot, the skill difference exists in all games but I’m a believer that it is what makes you passively get better.
Glad to hear! I’m also enjoying it, don’t let others opinions ruin your fun, I’m eager for the release of workshop things and server content so I can play around with them on my own server.
i used to play Zombie Escape and Zombie Mod maps back on CS:Source those were legendary times. All those Secret rooms and bat shit insane zombie escape maps like lord of the rings and predator.
Shooting at kabinets, chairs and vending machines to create impenetrable forts with unlimited ammo only to get zombified by another dude in the same room at the start. Wwwhhhhaaaaaaaaaaahhh
Object blocking, jamming the sofas and vending machines into the right pattern, essentially blocking off a route and you and 20 others shooting through one keyhole to keep the other 50 zombies at bay as they flesh wall forward.
I really wish they had fixed the movement, considering it’s supposed to be a tactical shooter I would love to see some sort of footstep mechanic but it’s still ice rink battle simulator.
or if we did then we’d have to make it so the cs people run based on each individuals physically abilities and depending on where shot the blood loss would kill you anyways unless your teammate managed to bandage you get u out of fire and into a triage but by then the bomb wouldve exploded. except with realism its just a remote bomb that doesnt have a code to be defused with. if you make a wrong step you twist ur ankle and u cant walk normally anymore for that round. also you would only get one life then you have to uninstall as is life.
also footsteps cause motion sickness and its unfun and unsmooth lol. and tarkov is realistic and tarkov sucks dick
Yessssss, counterstrike is fucking counterstrike. It hasn’t changed in any drastic way in 20+ years. There’s plenty of new games that have all the realistic bullshit.
Division 2 and Destiny 2 are much more sequels though than they are an updated platform, tons of content differences. Counter-Strike is much, much more iterative
Enshittification is about increasing monetisation of a previously free/cheap product.
Adobe moving from a lifetime purchase to a subscription service: enshittification.
Adobe not supporting old GPUs: not enshittification.
Twitter locking rate limits behind subscription: enshittification.
Twitter rebranding to X: not enshittification.
Raspberry Pi prioritising business customers making SKUs rare and enabling scalpers: enshittification.
Raspberry Pi moving to a new version of Debian making many tutorials outdated: not enshittification
Ensittificstion is the process of a platform good for users becoming good for business customers, becoming good for investors/shareholders.
Whilst it is a cool phrase, and an interesting observation, enshittification doesn’t apply to everything that has a core change.
Enshittification would be mandatory ads in-game, some sort of P2W mechanic.
Requiring better hardware is not enshittification.
Ok.
CS:GO, a game released in 2012? Runs well on a 2016 laptop.
CS2, a game released in 2023 can run well on a 2027 laptop.
I don’t think that’s the argument you want to make?
And I still don’t think it’s enshittification.
CS:go required anything DX9 compatible with 256mb VRAM. Which would be an NVidia 6600, a midrange GPU from 2004 - around the time CS Source was released.
CS2 minimum spec is a GTX650. Which is a mid range GPU from 2012, around the time cs:go was released.
Something of a pattern there…
If CPUs didn’t have integrated GPUs, this whole “cs is CPU dependent” thing wouldn’t apply, because you would STILL need a GPU.
It’s just that intel bundled a barely passable GPU alongside the CPU.
TBH, I think you are missing you’re argument.
You should be arguing that there is no way to play cs:go now that cs2 has released. Meaning a potential hardware upgrade requirement.
That is a bummer. That’s pretty shit.
But it is NOT enshittification.
That does not claw back value/money from customers to valve or its investors.
Unless you can show me, beyond reasonable doubt, that Valve is making money from giving away CS2 for free to anyone that has purchased cs:go through the requirement of a hardware upgrade.
Until then, this is not enshittification.
I hope it’s more stable than the limited test I’ve been playing. Hopefully comp is not limited to premier, but you can pick the maps you want to play on.
The hitboxes feel really weird. Sometimes it feela like the bullet went straight through people repeatedly ( e.g.: with a scout ) other times I seem to hit something I’m convinced was a fatfingered miss.
I hope it’s more stable than the limited test I’ve been playing.
At least practicing with friends+bots is broken as of today. I guess that’s what you get when the beta program only targets die hard competitive players who don’t care about anything the casual majority cares about.
I think the worst bugs will be remedied very shortly now that a wide user base has access to the game.
The hitboxes feel really weird.
From what I’ve heard, this could be that new sub tick system where inputs are handled as closely to real time as possible but the animations are not (it would be too compute intensive to do that as well, if I understood correctly).
I used to be what was really good at the time 10 years ago. Going back and playing it now is soul crushing. People got so much better and I got worse… I can’t believe anyone new even keeps trying with how punishing it is now.
It’s really wild that they straight up nuked CS:GO for this and it both performs worse on higher end machines (reports of stuttering when ragdolls activate or shaders load in are rampant) AND it’s missing the casual war games modes like Arms Race.
Intel A770 with stable mesa drivers, can get around 100-130fps mid settings at 4K in CS2, but got 200+ solid and just ran vsync on at 144Hz 4K very high settings in CSGO. Maybe it’s just the Linux build (which notably received zero public beta testing) but my friend said the Windows version was lower frames on his AMD 580 than CSGO too.
Pretty well overall. Performance is pretty solid on most games I play now, VRR is fixed finally, and I don’t get graphical glitches. I bought it a month or so after it came out and it was rough in the beginning, lots of crashes and glitches.
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I wondered what was going on when Steam said Counter-Striker 2 successfully updated.
If Counter-Strike 2 is so good, why is there no Counter-Strike 2 2?
There will never be a Counter-Strike 3 I can tell you that.
I’m personally waiting for Counter Strike: Alyx
So do you think the game is worth getting back into now, or should I just give up all hope at ever being half decent at this game?
Last time I played was in 2014. Started as a Silver I, and worked my way up to Gold 1. I was never a competent player. I feel like if I try to get back into it now, the game will just be full of the same old players from past CS titles and I’ll still stand zero chance of ever getting gud. Or do you think the sequel will bring in enough new players that I might do alright?
If you’re trying to be good, stop right there. You can become competent, you can grind nade lineups and do hundreds and hundreds of scrims or hours of warm ups and aim training and movement training, and there will ALWAYS be someone better than you, you will NEVER reach the top of the mountain. If you’re playing to have fun and are having fun with the game, you should play, because counter strike IS fun, but after getting out of the grindset, all I see when I look at my friends play is how little fun and joy they’re actually getting out of the game and it’s depressing as shit, don’t be like them
Don’t worry I don’t bother with all that shit. I practice by playing deathmatch. I just want to be good enough to stay out of silver this time around. That’s enough for me.
I just play it for fun now. Try harding it made me miserable. But yeah, there are a lot of new players and it is a new ranked system so you might climb higher.
Been playing casual. Doing a lot better than I thought I would. So now I’m wondering if I’m better than I thought, or if casual matchmaking is skill-based as well.
Yes and no, if you enjoyed your time why not? If you are thinking about features then no… The game is still very early open beta sort of feel atm it has the core gameplay but some things might feel off, and most game modes are missing, granted you haven’t played in a while so you might not notice any of this, I say give it a shot, the skill difference exists in all games but I’m a believer that it is what makes you passively get better.
You’re right, I didn’t notice that anything was missing until I started reading threads here and on the Steam forums. I’m having fun playing casual.
Glad to hear! I’m also enjoying it, don’t let others opinions ruin your fun, I’m eager for the release of workshop things and server content so I can play around with them on my own server.
i used to play Zombie Escape and Zombie Mod maps back on CS:Source those were legendary times. All those Secret rooms and bat shit insane zombie escape maps like lord of the rings and predator.
Zombie Escape is how they got L4D
Shooting at kabinets, chairs and vending machines to create impenetrable forts with unlimited ammo only to get zombified by another dude in the same room at the start. Wwwhhhhaaaaaaaaaaahhh
Object blocking, jamming the sofas and vending machines into the right pattern, essentially blocking off a route and you and 20 others shooting through one keyhole to keep the other 50 zombies at bay as they flesh wall forward.
Getting mad at that one guy that tries to get out after the barricade is built, and fucks everything up.
Getting mad at the new guy that doesn’t know how the barricade should be built and just yeets random junk into the pile.
That 1 ledge everyone is standing on, and someone chances their luck and gets zombed, and it all falls like dominoes.
Damn, good times
🫡 its good to know there are veterans out there. stay B hoppin
I really wish they had fixed the movement, considering it’s supposed to be a tactical shooter I would love to see some sort of footstep mechanic but it’s still ice rink battle simulator.
That wouldn’t be Counter-Strike though.
Counterstrike 1.6 has great movement
I disagree, the whole point of counter strike is for it to be a tactical shooter, anything to make it more realistic is in its original vision
The original vision is not the current vision. Visions change.
The whole point of Counter Strike is to be Counter Strike.
Counter Strike has never been realistic though.
realistic has no place in video games
or if we did then we’d have to make it so the cs people run based on each individuals physically abilities and depending on where shot the blood loss would kill you anyways unless your teammate managed to bandage you get u out of fire and into a triage but by then the bomb wouldve exploded. except with realism its just a remote bomb that doesnt have a code to be defused with. if you make a wrong step you twist ur ankle and u cant walk normally anymore for that round. also you would only get one life then you have to uninstall as is life.
also footsteps cause motion sickness and its unfun and unsmooth lol. and tarkov is realistic and tarkov sucks dick
Yessssss, counterstrike is fucking counterstrike. It hasn’t changed in any drastic way in 20+ years. There’s plenty of new games that have all the realistic bullshit.
Was really hoping it was not going to carry the 2 since it’s a pvp game/evolving game. Like division 2 and destiny 2 just drop the number.
Division 2 and Destiny 2 are much more sequels though than they are an updated platform, tons of content differences. Counter-Strike is much, much more iterative
I just don’t like the number is all.
it shoulda been called Counter Strike: two i agree
But this is Valve we’re talking about. Eventually they’re going to rename the company to Valve 2.
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the smokes tho
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Lol it’s more like “no more shitty 1 way smokes that make enemies have a very stupid advantage due to a glitch”
Enshittification is about increasing monetisation of a previously free/cheap product.
Adobe moving from a lifetime purchase to a subscription service: enshittification.
Adobe not supporting old GPUs: not enshittification.
Twitter locking rate limits behind subscription: enshittification.
Twitter rebranding to X: not enshittification.
Raspberry Pi prioritising business customers making SKUs rare and enabling scalpers: enshittification.
Raspberry Pi moving to a new version of Debian making many tutorials outdated: not enshittification
Ensittificstion is the process of a platform good for users becoming good for business customers, becoming good for investors/shareholders.
Whilst it is a cool phrase, and an interesting observation, enshittification doesn’t apply to everything that has a core change.
Enshittification would be mandatory ads in-game, some sort of P2W mechanic.
Requiring better hardware is not enshittification.
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Ok.
CS:GO, a game released in 2012? Runs well on a 2016 laptop.
CS2, a game released in 2023 can run well on a 2027 laptop.
I don’t think that’s the argument you want to make?
And I still don’t think it’s enshittification.
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CS has always needed a GPU.
CS:go required anything DX9 compatible with 256mb VRAM. Which would be an NVidia 6600, a midrange GPU from 2004 - around the time CS Source was released.
CS2 minimum spec is a GTX650. Which is a mid range GPU from 2012, around the time cs:go was released.
Something of a pattern there…
If CPUs didn’t have integrated GPUs, this whole “cs is CPU dependent” thing wouldn’t apply, because you would STILL need a GPU.
It’s just that intel bundled a barely passable GPU alongside the CPU.
TBH, I think you are missing you’re argument.
You should be arguing that there is no way to play cs:go now that cs2 has released. Meaning a potential hardware upgrade requirement.
That is a bummer. That’s pretty shit.
But it is NOT enshittification.
That does not claw back value/money from customers to valve or its investors.
Unless you can show me, beyond reasonable doubt, that Valve is making money from giving away CS2 for free to anyone that has purchased cs:go through the requirement of a hardware upgrade.
Until then, this is not enshittification.
Is it shitty? Sure.
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Released 2012? Huuuh???
Maybe they just renamed the successor to 1.6? 🤷
I think so, I heard they nuked the CS:GO listing, so they probably reused the same listing.
From the first announcement of CS2, it has always been clear that CS2 would be an update of CSGO: https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/22/23651939/counterstrike-cs2-valve-smoke-grenades-limited-test
Thank you, I hadn’t come across the announcement yet, first I’ve heard of CS2 is here and today :P
The ol’ Overwatch 2 treatment.
But its implementes better for sure
It’s the same listing, CS:GO just updated to CS2. Reusing the listing meant the game auto updated.
I would gladly travel back in time to 2012 tbh
Tried to play yesterday but too many other people had the same idea… We’ll, going to tried in a few weeks
Nice! I sadly can’t run it on my PC, but I hope y’all enjoy I!
I hope it’s more stable than the limited test I’ve been playing. Hopefully comp is not limited to premier, but you can pick the maps you want to play on.
The hitboxes feel really weird. Sometimes it feela like the bullet went straight through people repeatedly ( e.g.: with a scout ) other times I seem to hit something I’m convinced was a fatfingered miss.
At least practicing with friends+bots is broken as of today. I guess that’s what you get when the beta program only targets die hard competitive players who don’t care about anything the casual majority cares about.
I think the worst bugs will be remedied very shortly now that a wide user base has access to the game.
From what I’ve heard, this could be that new sub tick system where inputs are handled as closely to real time as possible but the animations are not (it would be too compute intensive to do that as well, if I understood correctly).
Still funny that valve still can’t count past 2 even though this is the 5th installment
I’m glad that they have found the workaround to call everything 2 tho
I’m still waiting for Half Life 2: Episode 2: Part 2
Half Life 2: Episode 2: Part 2: Subsection b): Paragraph (ii) will be the real shit
What’s the half life of Half Life sequels?
Between 0 and -1 I guess?
They are very aware of the meme and will never release a third game as “3”.
Team Fortress 3 will probably just be called “forever” or have some other tagline to avoid being called 3.
It’s a nod to the time it’ll take to release
SteamOS 3, btw.
That’s version 3. Not steam Os 3
7th if you count CS online 1&2 (9th if you also include CS Neo and Nexon: Zombies/Studio but that’s pushing it even for me)
And I thought I was pushing it by including Condition Zero
Maybe Valve should zero-index their series. That’s the big brain solution.
I played it for an hour and realized I still suck at counter strike
Takes time to unsuck
https://youtu.be/Gu8YiTeU9XU?si=Kt-fArR1Kj0OLsXt
I used to be what was really good at the time 10 years ago. Going back and playing it now is soul crushing. People got so much better and I got worse… I can’t believe anyone new even keeps trying with how punishing it is now.
It’s really wild that they straight up nuked CS:GO for this and it both performs worse on higher end machines (reports of stuttering when ragdolls activate or shaders load in are rampant) AND it’s missing the casual war games modes like Arms Race.
well they kinda had to nuke csgo as you can’t transfer inventories between games
the game is so fucked tho, on my 1060 I could play csgo at 1440p low at about 200fps, cs2 I’m lockynto get 100 on FSR performance
and zooming with scopes are fucked get about 300ms of stutter every time
They didn’t need to nuke it. Why not both
They probably didn’t want to split the players base
Nah, it’s mainly to transfer the Steam marketplace, I.E the thing that makes the most money for Valve out of Counter Strike.
Dude I have the same hardware and FSR somehow performs worse for me.
Though, I’m on LInux, I’ve yet to try it out on windows
I found nuking my csgo configs fixed a bit of the performance
I’m also on arch Linux, this fixed fsr for me
I have a 1070 and both performance and loading times have improved compared to CS:GO. 🤷
Same. I’m fine. I’m also not very obsessed about fps. As long as it’s smooth I’m good.
That’s fair, but for an extremely competitive game like CS you’re definitely in the minority
Intel A770 with stable mesa drivers, can get around 100-130fps mid settings at 4K in CS2, but got 200+ solid and just ran vsync on at 144Hz 4K very high settings in CSGO. Maybe it’s just the Linux build (which notably received zero public beta testing) but my friend said the Windows version was lower frames on his AMD 580 than CSGO too.
I for sure drop frames on low settings with my low-end machine.
How’s the A770 treating you in general?
Pretty well overall. Performance is pretty solid on most games I play now, VRR is fixed finally, and I don’t get graphical glitches. I bought it a month or so after it came out and it was rough in the beginning, lots of crashes and glitches.
1070ti here 3600x didn’t notice much of a difference, I’m still hitting 130-140 easy