Until it eventually does come to steam. Please don’t listen to these fuckers. They will say whatever they can for profit. It wouldn’t be the first time these people have lied about this exact thing only for the game to come to steam a year later.
You already got an answer more or less, but to specify, Fitgirl is one specific repacker of games that a lot of people trust. She (or he, or they or it, nobody really knows) specializes in compression to make the releases quick to download on slow Internet connections. Of course if you’re sitting on gigabit download speeds or something, the decompression will take way longer than what you save from the download.
There’s also the fact that her(?) repacks sometimes don’t install for some people, for some reason nobody has really figured out yet. But they’re a solid choice for those who sail the high seas, because at least you know they’re clean.
Thank you for the details, much appreciated. I extrapolated from the other response - more or less, as you said - but you provided plenty I couldn’t have guessed.
Epic profittability is on Fortnite; there will be lot of skin based on Alan Wake franchise and, also, Fortnite ads everytime you launch AW2 form their launcher etc.
…as for Alan Wake franchise itself, well it goes in the epic games store marketing black hole
Epic actually financed Remedy’s development of the game, as opposed to swooping in at the last minute to offer a timed-exclusivity deal. In that case I was fine buying the game on their platform if it meant the game got to exist at all. After all I do not expect Valve to sell their games on another platform than their own.
Don’t get me wrong: I’d rather the game was sold on Steam, or even better, DRM-less on GOG. I did wait for a number of those timed exclusives to find their way on Steam or other stores (Borderlands 3, Kena, Journey, Control, Hades, etc). It’s a shame that so many people will not get to experience AW2 because of its delivery platform, because it’s a damn unique game.
As much as I hate Epic, I actually bought AW2 based on that logic but ended up refunding it because, and I can not stress this enough, FUCK ALWAYS ONLINE REQUIREMENTS ON PURELY OFFLINE GAMES. I refuse to pay for an offline game that locks me out when my internet isn’t working…doubly so when the pirated version works perfectly fine without internet.
P.S. I also refuse to pay for single player games with arbitrary online “features” made to force a DRM check, or games published by cunts that do layoffs and shutter studios while posting record profits but that’s a different conversation.
In other words: Sweeney still can’t get people to use his inferior service. I can’t wait to see him cry about Valve’s alleged anti-competitive behaviour yet again.
Wish I could just wire money straight to Remedy. Best I could do was buy Control again on GOG and consider my seafaring soul free of sin.
How does it hurt you? Look, I get that people dislike using multiple launchers, but it’s not like you have to buy a console to play the god damn game. The melodrama is crazy, all you have to do to play it besides buying the game is download epic’s launcher. If you’re in Linux, it’s a bit more of a pain, but hardly.
Apart from the inconvenience (which is a huge reason I dont use Epic) for the same price I get less service.
If you only want to play games thats nothing, no melodrama, just install the game and play it.
…but as soon as you want to interact with your friends in-game, download some mods, look up help with the game, stream stuff from my computer to my living room TV, share my account with family or just play on Linux the Epic store transforms from “just another launcher” to a useless peace of extra software on my PC actively standing in the way of my fun.
Steam’s voice chat/partying functionality is garbage. Discord is widely used for a reason. Remote Play is hit or miss, but I’ve largely resorted to using Moonlight instead on my Steam Deck because it’s more reliable and stable. The guides on Steam vary wildly from game to game, just depends on the community support for it. It is nice when there’s good stuff available, as it is somewhat convenient (though I wished it saved my spot on the page, I constantly have to scroll to where I left off on guides whenever I do use them). Lutris and NonSteamLauncher makes running Epic on Linux a non-issue.
I get it, Epic is a lackluster launcher. No one’s arguing otherwise. But it’s hardly a huge barrier to playing games.
My steam profile is 18 years old. I am using all the above features for many years and they are perfectly functional.
Your solution is to use different third party apps for everything is the opposite of convenience in my opinion. If you prefer the better software for these features, why not the better launcher/storefront for games?
Epic gives no added value to the user experience (IMO) and does not inspire competition to do better, other that the free games extravaganza to try to expand its userbase, while steam does not have to prove anything anymore, yet still investing more money in new features, technologies.
The steam users are used to a certain level of service and have a perfectly valid reason to dislike less functional competitors.
If you are just here to grab the weekly free game, download and play then go for it, Epic will 100% serve its purpose , just don’t put it on the same level when talking about everything else.
By using their service and giving them money, you’re validating their shitty practices and propagating this garbage across multiple platforms when other companies see it’s profitable.
If you want gaming to get better, stop giving bad companies your money and attention.
Exclusivity has been a thing since the advent of videogames, this isn’t anything new. Epic is just a shitty company, so they’re an easy target to criticize. They funded the development and published the game, it’s their right to do with it as they please. They’re losing money by not bringing it to Steam, so their loss, really. But it’s not even close to the equivalent of console exclusives, as the barrier here is spending 5 minutes to just download their shitty launcher. It sucks, but this really isn’t that big of a deal, in my opinion.
When you’re required to use their “store” to play the games too, then it’s a platform. And an isolated one, at that. Imagine you could only buy a game AND PLAY IT at Walmart.
Platform exclusivity is part of Epic Games’ problem. Not the sole issue, but a big one.
Cool. I guess I won’t be buying it then and will simply sail the seas when I finally feel like playing it after all the games I bought on steam and gog.
Yup, any “never” decision under modern capitalism should be treated at “within this quarter.” All that matters is quarterly growth, and all company decisions will change every quarter
Games not developed or published by Epic only become exclusive when the publishers and/or devs take their money. Why is no one mad at them? And of course Valve doesn’t have to do much of anything, they have had like a 10+ year headstart on cornering the PC marketplace. GOG has been completely awesome and more ethical than Valve and yet they’re barely scraping by. Gamers/consumers just love to fanboy the hell out of corporations these days. When Gabe is gone and Valve inevitably goes public and enshitifies, you’ll be glad there’s still some competition left. But it’ll suck because 90% of PC gamers have probably damn near 100% of their library locked into one platform. Remember, Steam is a huge reason why PC games went fully digital almost two decades ago.
People are mad at them. However, Epic is the one enabling this shitty behavior so they are the ones getting most of the hate.
they have had like a 10+ year headstart on cornering the PC marketplace
So Epic had like 10 years of learning from steam and doing it better, offering a competitive platform and experience. However, they didn’t do that because that actually takes time, money and effort so they just artificially tried to limit the amount of titles for sale on steam, which is basically trying to strongarm consumers into using their platform. Which is quite the same practice you see from any big players in any industry, from apple to john deere - and all are getting hate for it.
you’ll be glad there’s still some competition left
Competition like the EGS? No, I’m definitely not happy about that.
Steam is a huge reason why PC games went fully digital almost two decades ago
Not really. Games would’ve gone digital either way, it was the obvious path to go. Steam might’ve sped up that process by a few years, but pretending that without steam, digitalization of the games industry would’ve never happened is naive at best and dishonest at worst.
Not really. Games would’ve gone digital either way, it was the obvious path to go. Steam might’ve sped up that process by a few years, but pretending that without steam, digitalization of the games industry would’ve never happened is naive at best and dishonest at worst.
And yet consoles still have physical game copies available all these years later. Why is PC so much different?
And I’m not saying to be happy that Epic is competition, I’m saying that if GOG dies, you’ll only really have Steam and Epic. That sucks ass, but it’s still better than only having ONE option. And like I said, once Gabe is gone, I 100% believe Valve will go full on enshitification mode. I wouldn’t have to worry as much if I could still buy physical fucking copies of modern PC games.
As for Epic competing by creating better platform, I completely agree. Their launcher has made improvements, but it is still very bare bones and not great. I try to remember that tons of common sense software features we take for granted get patented. Hell, that’s why so many streaming services felt so much shittier than Netflix for so long. It’s not as straightforward as just emulating what Steam does but slightly better. That’s still no excuse though, and they still fall very short of offering the mostly comfortable user experience we’ve grown accustomed to. Steam didn’t start off where they’re at now, they’ve had 20 years with an entire company dedicated to developing it.
My main point is, we all love Steam and Valve because they’ve been a mostly ethical corporation so far as well as mostly improving the experience of PC gaming, especially with Linux (minus expediting and enabling 100% digitization so they could attain better profit margins on Half-Life 2 sales). But nothing lasts forever, and pure monopolies are bad. Fuck Epic for buying exclusive rights for third party games, but in this specific context, it is their game, so it is what it is.
And yet consoles still have physical game copies available all these years later. Why is PC so much different?
It isn’t. You can still buy physical copies of PC games, mostly AAA tho, but nobody does it anymore. Also, there are consoles that are delivered without a cd drive, so they are digital only.
And I’m not saying to be happy that Epic is competition, I’m saying that if GOG dies, you’ll only really have Steam and Epic
To be fair, steam is my platform of choice now anyways because of their awesome linux support.
I 100% believe Valve will go full on enshitification mode. I wouldn’t have to worry as much if I could still buy physical fucking copies of modern PC games
Certainly a worry, however, in case they do become shitty, I’ll just download a bunch of cracks for my games and leave the platform.
Steam didn’t start off where they’re at now, they’ve had 20 years with an entire company dedicated to developing it.
I don’t care tho?
Seriously, this is the worst argument to me. Why should I as a consumer care about that? If someone sells a flip phone now, you’re not going to say: “Oh man samsung had such a big headstart obviously their phones are better”. If a company enters a new space, they have to compete on the same level, not on the level of 20 years ago.
Fuck Epic for buying exclusive rights for third party games, but in this specific context, it is their game, so it is what it is
Ye agree, it is their game rn so they can do that. But a majority of games weren’t.
I was about to say it isn’t the same before googling and realising that they are the publisher for Alan Wake 2.
I guess there might still be the nuance of develop vs publish, does Valve publish any games that it didn’t develop/weren’t mods of their titles? (Genuinely don’t know)
Either way, I’m still buttmad about the rocket league situation
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Until it eventually does come to steam. Please don’t listen to these fuckers. They will say whatever they can for profit. It wouldn’t be the first time these people have lied about this exact thing only for the game to come to steam a year later.
Maybe, but its on fitgirl now if they don’t want your money
I’m afraid to ask what that is.
Yar har
Ah, I think I understand. Thank you.
You already got an answer more or less, but to specify, Fitgirl is one specific repacker of games that a lot of people trust. She (or he, or they or it, nobody really knows) specializes in compression to make the releases quick to download on slow Internet connections. Of course if you’re sitting on gigabit download speeds or something, the decompression will take way longer than what you save from the download.
There’s also the fact that her(?) repacks sometimes don’t install for some people, for some reason nobody has really figured out yet. But they’re a solid choice for those who sail the high seas, because at least you know they’re clean.
Thank you for the details, much appreciated. I extrapolated from the other response - more or less, as you said - but you provided plenty I couldn’t have guessed.
Lol I just checked there after seeing this news
Sucks for Remedy then, since they won’t be getting my money.
I’ll buy it when it comes to GOG then.
The game wasn’t even profitable after a year as a result of not being on Steam, according to the article. Pretty interesting
I guess they don’t want it to be profitable then. Maybe over the next 10 years it will break even on Epic.
Epic profittability is on Fortnite; there will be lot of skin based on Alan Wake franchise and, also, Fortnite ads everytime you launch AW2 form their launcher etc.
…as for Alan Wake franchise itself, well it goes in the
epic games store marketing black holeEpic actually financed Remedy’s development of the game, as opposed to swooping in at the last minute to offer a timed-exclusivity deal. In that case I was fine buying the game on their platform if it meant the game got to exist at all. After all I do not expect Valve to sell their games on another platform than their own.
Don’t get me wrong: I’d rather the game was sold on Steam, or even better, DRM-less on GOG. I did wait for a number of those timed exclusives to find their way on Steam or other stores (Borderlands 3, Kena, Journey, Control, Hades, etc). It’s a shame that so many people will not get to experience AW2 because of its delivery platform, because it’s a damn unique game.
As much as I hate Epic, I actually bought AW2 based on that logic but ended up refunding it because, and I can not stress this enough, FUCK ALWAYS ONLINE REQUIREMENTS ON PURELY OFFLINE GAMES. I refuse to pay for an offline game that locks me out when my internet isn’t working…doubly so when the pirated version works perfectly fine without internet.
P.S. I also refuse to pay for single player games with arbitrary online “features” made to force a DRM check, or games published by cunts that do layoffs and shutter studios while posting record profits but that’s a different conversation.
mfw i don’t pay them money
That’s what they said about red dead redemption too
In other words: Sweeney still can’t get people to use his inferior service. I can’t wait to see him cry about Valve’s alleged anti-competitive behaviour yet again.
Wish I could just wire money straight to Remedy. Best I could do was buy Control again on GOG and consider my seafaring soul free of sin.
Shame, I’m never buying a game from the Epic Store.
Oh well.
Epic Games? The place with all the free games? Why would I buy something from the free store?
This only hurts us, gamers. Stop this exclusivity BS and be competitive with better features, customer service and convenience.
How does it hurt you? Look, I get that people dislike using multiple launchers, but it’s not like you have to buy a console to play the god damn game. The melodrama is crazy, all you have to do to play it besides buying the game is download epic’s launcher. If you’re in Linux, it’s a bit more of a pain, but hardly.
Apart from the inconvenience (which is a huge reason I dont use Epic) for the same price I get less service.
If you only want to play games thats nothing, no melodrama, just install the game and play it.
…but as soon as you want to interact with your friends in-game, download some mods, look up help with the game, stream stuff from my computer to my living room TV, share my account with family or just play on Linux the Epic store transforms from “just another launcher” to a useless peace of extra software on my PC actively standing in the way of my fun.
Steam’s voice chat/partying functionality is garbage. Discord is widely used for a reason. Remote Play is hit or miss, but I’ve largely resorted to using Moonlight instead on my Steam Deck because it’s more reliable and stable. The guides on Steam vary wildly from game to game, just depends on the community support for it. It is nice when there’s good stuff available, as it is somewhat convenient (though I wished it saved my spot on the page, I constantly have to scroll to where I left off on guides whenever I do use them). Lutris and NonSteamLauncher makes running Epic on Linux a non-issue.
I get it, Epic is a lackluster launcher. No one’s arguing otherwise. But it’s hardly a huge barrier to playing games.
My steam profile is 18 years old. I am using all the above features for many years and they are perfectly functional.
Your solution is to use different third party apps for everything is the opposite of convenience in my opinion. If you prefer the better software for these features, why not the better launcher/storefront for games?
Epic gives no added value to the user experience (IMO) and does not inspire competition to do better, other that the free games extravaganza to try to expand its userbase, while steam does not have to prove anything anymore, yet still investing more money in new features, technologies.
The steam users are used to a certain level of service and have a perfectly valid reason to dislike less functional competitors. If you are just here to grab the weekly free game, download and play then go for it, Epic will 100% serve its purpose , just don’t put it on the same level when talking about everything else.
I was tired last night, toddler hasn’t let me sleep much.
I think I poorly conveyed that I do prefer Steam, and do think Epic’s launcher is lacking. My point is, getting into the gaming retail business has a crazy upfront cost, so if GOG closes shop (which isn’t so crazy to speculate: https://cdaction-pl.translate.goog/publicystyka/wielkie-zwolnienia-w-gog-u-pracownicy-naswietlaja-wewnetrzne-problemy-firmy-tylko-u-nas?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true the original article was in Polish, thus the google translate link), that leaves only Epic competing with Steam. If epic eventually concludes they can’t pull enough marketshare to continue justifying the crazy money they’ve spent trying to attract users from Steam with all their sales, that’ll leave zero competition to Steam. I for one don’t condone monopolies.
Alternatively, studios could just start releasing physical media again, but we all know that’ll never happen…
By using their service and giving them money, you’re validating their shitty practices and propagating this garbage across multiple platforms when other companies see it’s profitable.
If you want gaming to get better, stop giving bad companies your money and attention.
Exclusivity has been a thing since the advent of videogames, this isn’t anything new. Epic is just a shitty company, so they’re an easy target to criticize. They funded the development and published the game, it’s their right to do with it as they please. They’re losing money by not bringing it to Steam, so their loss, really. But it’s not even close to the equivalent of console exclusives, as the barrier here is spending 5 minutes to just download their shitty launcher. It sucks, but this really isn’t that big of a deal, in my opinion.
It’s a store not a platform
If walmart doesn’t have a game, you would check gamestop
Don’t try to hijack the platform exclusive argument
When you’re required to use their “store” to play the games too, then it’s a platform. And an isolated one, at that. Imagine you could only buy a game AND PLAY IT at Walmart.
Platform exclusivity is part of Epic Games’ problem. Not the sole issue, but a big one.
The platform is the OS
And you aren’t forced to use their launcher, that’s a Valve thing
Cool. I guess I won’t be buying it then and will simply sail the seas when I finally feel like playing it after all the games I bought on steam and gog.
Yup, any “never” decision under modern capitalism should be treated at “within this quarter.” All that matters is quarterly growth, and all company decisions will change every quarter
This is the bullshit that makes me hate Epic games. I want Fortnite to die already so Tim Sweeney can eff right off.
A exclusive war only one person is waging…
I dislike Epic as much as the next guy, but he’s not the only one waging it, lol. Try to find any of Valve’s games on the Epic marketplace.
Not really comparable IMO. Epic has paid devs/publishers in the past for not releasing on steam. Gearbox, Ubisoft etc
Nobody is mad that fortnite isn’t on steam.
Games not developed or published by Epic only become exclusive when the publishers and/or devs take their money. Why is no one mad at them? And of course Valve doesn’t have to do much of anything, they have had like a 10+ year headstart on cornering the PC marketplace. GOG has been completely awesome and more ethical than Valve and yet they’re barely scraping by. Gamers/consumers just love to fanboy the hell out of corporations these days. When Gabe is gone and Valve inevitably goes public and enshitifies, you’ll be glad there’s still some competition left. But it’ll suck because 90% of PC gamers have probably damn near 100% of their library locked into one platform. Remember, Steam is a huge reason why PC games went fully digital almost two decades ago.
People are mad at them. However, Epic is the one enabling this shitty behavior so they are the ones getting most of the hate.
So Epic had like 10 years of learning from steam and doing it better, offering a competitive platform and experience. However, they didn’t do that because that actually takes time, money and effort so they just artificially tried to limit the amount of titles for sale on steam, which is basically trying to strongarm consumers into using their platform. Which is quite the same practice you see from any big players in any industry, from apple to john deere - and all are getting hate for it.
Competition like the EGS? No, I’m definitely not happy about that.
Not really. Games would’ve gone digital either way, it was the obvious path to go. Steam might’ve sped up that process by a few years, but pretending that without steam, digitalization of the games industry would’ve never happened is naive at best and dishonest at worst.
And yet consoles still have physical game copies available all these years later. Why is PC so much different?
And I’m not saying to be happy that Epic is competition, I’m saying that if GOG dies, you’ll only really have Steam and Epic. That sucks ass, but it’s still better than only having ONE option. And like I said, once Gabe is gone, I 100% believe Valve will go full on enshitification mode. I wouldn’t have to worry as much if I could still buy physical fucking copies of modern PC games.
As for Epic competing by creating better platform, I completely agree. Their launcher has made improvements, but it is still very bare bones and not great. I try to remember that tons of common sense software features we take for granted get patented. Hell, that’s why so many streaming services felt so much shittier than Netflix for so long. It’s not as straightforward as just emulating what Steam does but slightly better. That’s still no excuse though, and they still fall very short of offering the mostly comfortable user experience we’ve grown accustomed to. Steam didn’t start off where they’re at now, they’ve had 20 years with an entire company dedicated to developing it.
My main point is, we all love Steam and Valve because they’ve been a mostly ethical corporation so far as well as mostly improving the experience of PC gaming, especially with Linux (minus expediting and enabling 100% digitization so they could attain better profit margins on Half-Life 2 sales). But nothing lasts forever, and pure monopolies are bad. Fuck Epic for buying exclusive rights for third party games, but in this specific context, it is their game, so it is what it is.
It isn’t. You can still buy physical copies of PC games, mostly AAA tho, but nobody does it anymore. Also, there are consoles that are delivered without a cd drive, so they are digital only.
To be fair, steam is my platform of choice now anyways because of their awesome linux support.
Certainly a worry, however, in case they do become shitty, I’ll just download a bunch of cracks for my games and leave the platform.
I don’t care tho?
Seriously, this is the worst argument to me. Why should I as a consumer care about that? If someone sells a flip phone now, you’re not going to say: “Oh man samsung had such a big headstart obviously their phones are better”. If a company enters a new space, they have to compete on the same level, not on the level of 20 years ago.
Ye agree, it is their game rn so they can do that. But a majority of games weren’t.
I was about to say it isn’t the same before googling and realising that they are the publisher for Alan Wake 2. I guess there might still be the nuance of develop vs publish, does Valve publish any games that it didn’t develop/weren’t mods of their titles? (Genuinely don’t know)
Either way, I’m still buttmad about the rocket league situation
Rocket League was my turning point as well.