The worst part of job hunting was tailoring your reaume to match a job posting for each job…just to try and get by the AI filters and get humans to look at it.
Once i learned how to fool most HR filters, i started to get calls from companies.
Honestly, I do respect the decision to publicly declare that the laid off employees were very good. I’ve done job searching while laid off and it does suck the suspicion through which you’re viewed by interviewers when they ask about it
When I did hiring our HR had some system that did this. It fucking sucked. It passed through so many shit candidates. I eventually ended up just going straight to the discard pile when I had to review applications.
I just don’t get all this shit. I’m a programmer and for years at my last job I did most of the interviewing for candidates and had the final say-so for whether or not we hired somebody. I could tell in a 15 minute phone call whether somebody knew what they were doing or not and could make a positive contribution to the project.
Massive software layoffs have been common for as long as I can remember. I think it’s not that big of an issue to explain why you are looking for a job in that field. Oh your last job was xxx ahh they laid off x number of employees.
It’s not a secret that most of the people laid in these things are just people on the wrong teams and nothing to do with their capabilities
The EGO on this man “because I hired all of these people, they’re amazing. Pay no attention to the fact that I had to lay 1k of them off due to poor planning.”
The person you’re replying to is trying to say you’ll be safer if you work for a company providing basic needs instead of something non-required, like gaming.
my company of 50 went down to 22 because of “AI productivity gainz” - then we had the biggest dip in client retention in its 10 year history and those clients that do remain all have massive issues with getting what they want and there are constant “fire drills” to keep them happy.
No, employers will REJECT all those great resumes, because they’re firing their best people, too.
All this uncontrolled giddiness about AI is entirely, 100% because they are so excited about the opportunity to FIRE as many disgusting human workers as possible. They have already declared the human workforce dead, and they are replacing us ASAP, often before our computerized replacements are even ready.
Remember all those racists chanting about being replaced? It isn’t the Jews, or the immigrants, or whatever was in their pea brains, it’s the AI/Robotics that absolutely WILL replace us.
They’re trying to realign tech and software developers from the cool, relaxed, high paid jobs of a decade ago to more “modern” (read: exploited) standards of work.
I agree with the first two paragraphs, but as for the third, I think you overestimate the capability of chatbots on steroids. I’d even go so far as to say that promoting the whole “imminent replacement for humanity” narrative is doing their marketing for them. It couldn’t even run a Taco Bell drivethrough.
I get what you are saying, but the distinguishing characteristic of the new AI, over the past computer programs, is that it learns, and improves. Years ago, people used to laugh at me for supporting solar, because it was so inefficient. I just said the research will improve it, and today solar is an extremely popular, affordable, and growing option, especially with Trump’s war profiteering.
Apparently in the AI world, they are expecting it’s capabilities to double every 7 months. I saw a list of steps, with the industries that will be impacted with each step, and as each step doubles, it impacts bigger and bigger industries.
It’s learning the basics right now, but humans are training the AI to the point that it will replace them, then the next level of humans will train the next level until replaces them, then move on to the next level to be trained.
In a few years, well all be replaced, except a lucky few who do the maintenance, but those jobs won’t pay much, because if you won’t do it for that pay scale, get out of the way, there are a LOT of unemployed people who will accept it.
Uh… you’re misunderstanding what it’s doing. It’s not learning as we use the word.
It’s figuring out what words probabilistically appear near each other. Like when you use the suggested word at the top of your mobile keyboard. You can write “sentences”, but they often go off the rails.
They just get fed some keywords and spit back out words it has observed to be near those.
And no point are LLMs capable of making any analysis or decisions. They cannot perform any thought based work. At best it can copy past shit it’s seen someone else figure out on the Internet. There are very few jobs out there that are entirely devoid of any decision making that these could actually be expected to replace (and have the company continue to function)
Instead, it is almost exactly at the value of their “Bitcoin Dead” level lol
I would give less credence to the opinions of people whose financial interests are vested in you believing AI is magic.
It’s learning the basics right now, but humans are training the AI to the point that it will replace them, then the next level of humans will train the next level until replaces them
Humans are more than just chatbots. Therefore even the most advanced chatbot will never replace us.
Which is not to say that I think humans are the supreme possible intelligence, or that machine intelligence could never surpass us. I just do not believe that the current LLM’s we have are capable of achieving anything resembling actual thought, just a decently convincing mimicry of it.
It’s also not to say that I think no jobs will be lost, but I think they’ll be situations like where a QA department reduces its workforce by 75% but then the remaining 25% are still expected to oversee the AI’s output. It’s still a shit outcome economically (though I’d also reference that quote, “Imagine how badly we had to fuck up to create a world where the robots taking all the jobs is a bad thing”), but it’s not the same as actually rivaling us in cognition or intellectual capacity.
In a few years, well all be replaced, except a lucky few who do the maintenance
And a few years before 2016, everyone who bought Bitcoin was going to be driving a Lamborghini.
I still see more Priuses and Corollas on the road these days.
If you’re thinking of the list that I’m thinking of: that is completely unfounded. They started with the premise “AI will be perfect in 2 years” and then drew a graph that looked good-ish. There is no scientific value to it.
Valid, but no matter what the timeline, it’s going to improve over time, and companies are already committed to it, so they’ll be prioritizing continuing R&D until it does what they want it to.
It’s coming whether we like it or not, and it’s going to be a bloodbath no matter what the final scenario is. Either the workers take the hit, or the companies do, and if the companies do, then the workers will take the hit anyway.
Counterpoint: LLMs are a dead-end for AGI. And outsourcing tasks to a “sometimes correct, but very often wrong” bot starts looking like a not-so-good idea once you actually need to pay for the compute.
Valid, but that’s part of what I mean. If it finally works the way they want it to, welcome to a 75+% permanent unemployment rate, and the worker is screwed. But if it doesn’t work, the bubble pops, and the entire economy crashes, and the workers is screwed.
Do the shareholders know? I mean actually though, are they watching? How do these CEOs not get removed for annihilating company futures based on speculative bubbles? Microslop is having the exact same issue with their guy… Can they just not see it somehow? How are they being bamboozled?
Mass Hirings and Firings are all smoke and mirrors for the shareholders. You do a mass hirings to put on the appearance of growth and you do mass firings to put on the appearance of cuttings costs. None of it’s real and the shareholders don’t seem to care.
If they’re so talented and experienced, then why’d you fire them for no reason? Surely the company expects to continue growing and will need more employees, not fewer.
I don’t really do it as a “protest”, I do it because I do not respect the law and because being a criminal is cool, but corporations are “leadership of [my] country” and anything that deprives them of any money at all is an effective protest.
Let’s take the absolutely-totally-hypothetical example of pirating Star Trek: Strange New Worlds instead of getting a subscription for Paramount Plus. Paramount is owned by the Ellisons, and Larry Ellison is closer to “leadership of [my] country” than anyone sitting in the White House.
so he cant get my $8 per month or whatever, that’ll show him
It’s not the Limewire days anymore. While it’s not risk free, if you hang about piracy for even a little bit you’ll quickly pick up an idea of who the trusted sources are.
Why would you care?
The ones making the games aren’t the ones you’re paying. Only the IP holders. If you’re concerned about paying the actual developers, then sticking with indie games is your only option. Not that that’s a problem; indies have come with far better quality and interesting ideas for quite some time now.
There’s always a risk, especially with such a desirable bait. If you have no problem with having your system be part of a botnet (or worse), go right ahead.
I care. When you are responsible for other people, getting hit with a large fine or jail time is not an option.
Part of the price goes to the developers. Not as much as in indies, but that’s life. That does not justify pirating stuff.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
Welcome to the largest gaming community on Lemmy! Discussion for all kinds of games. Video games, tabletop games, card games etc.
Rules
1. Submissions have to be related to games
Video games, tabletop, or otherwise. Posts not related to games will be deleted.
This community is focused on games, of all kinds. Any news item or discussion should be related to gaming in some way.
2. No bigotry or harassment, be civil
No bigotry, hardline stance. Try not to get too heated when entering into a discussion or debate.
We are here to talk and discuss about one of our passions, not fight or be exposed to hate. Posts or responses that are hateful will be deleted to keep the atmosphere good. If repeatedly violated, not only will the comment be deleted but a ban will be handed out as well. We judge each case individually.
3. No excessive self-promotion
Try to keep it to 10% self-promotion / 90% other stuff in your post history.
This is to prevent people from posting for the sole purpose of promoting their own website or social media account.
4. Stay on-topic; no memes, funny videos, giveaways, reposts, or low-effort posts
This community is mostly for discussion and news. Remember to search for the thing you’re submitting before posting to see if it’s already been posted.
We want to keep the quality of posts high. Therefore, memes, funny videos, low-effort posts and reposts are not allowed. We prohibit giveaways because we cannot be sure that the person holding the giveaway will actually do what they promise.
5. Mark Spoilers and NSFW
Make sure to mark your stuff or it may be removed.
No one wants to be spoiled. Therefore, always mark spoilers. Similarly mark NSFW, in case anyone is browsing in a public space or at work.
6. No linking to piracy
Don’t share it here, there are other places to find it. Discussion of piracy is fine.
We don’t want us moderators or the admins of lemmy.world to get in trouble for linking to piracy. Therefore, any link to piracy will be removed. Discussion of it is of course allowed.
The worst part of job hunting was tailoring your reaume to match a job posting for each job…just to try and get by the AI filters and get humans to look at it.
Once i learned how to fool most HR filters, i started to get calls from companies.
Its all a fucking game
Care to share?
Same here. Is it just listing a bunch of keywords?
“I have optimized the streamlined AI driven deep learning model to predict our maximum net ROI for our start up company.”
“I did linear regression to predict sales next month”
Any advice you have would be greatly appreciated.
Honestly, I do respect the decision to publicly declare that the laid off employees were very good. I’ve done job searching while laid off and it does suck the suspicion through which you’re viewed by interviewers when they ask about it
When I did hiring our HR had some system that did this. It fucking sucked. It passed through so many shit candidates. I eventually ended up just going straight to the discard pile when I had to review applications.
I just don’t get all this shit. I’m a programmer and for years at my last job I did most of the interviewing for candidates and had the final say-so for whether or not we hired somebody. I could tell in a 15 minute phone call whether somebody knew what they were doing or not and could make a positive contribution to the project.
Yeah I think some people think laid off and fired are synonyms. I was just low seniority in my union
Massive software layoffs have been common for as long as I can remember. I think it’s not that big of an issue to explain why you are looking for a job in that field. Oh your last job was xxx ahh they laid off x number of employees.
It’s not a secret that most of the people laid in these things are just people on the wrong teams and nothing to do with their capabilities
The EGO on this man “because I hired all of these people, they’re amazing. Pay no attention to the fact that I had to lay 1k of them off due to poor planning.”
Right up there with the 30000 from Amazon.
Ai is going to bankrupt a lot of stupid business owners
At this point, the weeding is needed
The basics are still there: Food, Shelter, Water, Safety Fill one of those needs and forget about the fancy AI silliness.
Yes, before AI Fortnite was fulfilling one of those 4 basic needs, you’re right.
The person you’re replying to is trying to say you’ll be safer if you work for a company providing basic needs instead of something non-required, like gaming.
Good, they’ll have to sell off all their shit, and we can get lots of fancy stuff really cheap at their yard sales.
Those rich douchebags are always buying expensive guitars they never learn to play, that’s what I’m targeting.
I too collect guitars, I like your logic here.
Brother! You can have all those Trump guitars. Don’t bother leaving any behind for me.
like Microsoft.
my company of 50 went down to 22 because of “AI productivity gainz” - then we had the biggest dip in client retention in its 10 year history and those clients that do remain all have massive issues with getting what they want and there are constant “fire drills” to keep them happy.
We just started using it a couple of weeks ago, I’m expecting this very same scenario.
Did management have anything to say? How was the dip in client retention measured?
EOY state of the Union report, 10Q reporting or whatever the eoy one is called.
Retention is the classic churn metric (lost/total)*100
It’s simultaneously testing the waters and conditioning people to accept less.
No, employers will REJECT all those great resumes, because they’re firing their best people, too.
All this uncontrolled giddiness about AI is entirely, 100% because they are so excited about the opportunity to FIRE as many disgusting human workers as possible. They have already declared the human workforce dead, and they are replacing us ASAP, often before our computerized replacements are even ready.
Remember all those racists chanting about being replaced? It isn’t the Jews, or the immigrants, or whatever was in their pea brains, it’s the AI/Robotics that absolutely WILL replace us.
They’re trying to realign tech and software developers from the cool, relaxed, high paid jobs of a decade ago to more “modern” (read: exploited) standards of work.
They’re ecstatic that they finally have leverage over thought workers.
I agree with the first two paragraphs, but as for the third, I think you overestimate the capability of chatbots on steroids. I’d even go so far as to say that promoting the whole “imminent replacement for humanity” narrative is doing their marketing for them. It couldn’t even run a Taco Bell drivethrough.
I get what you are saying, but the distinguishing characteristic of the new AI, over the past computer programs, is that it learns, and improves. Years ago, people used to laugh at me for supporting solar, because it was so inefficient. I just said the research will improve it, and today solar is an extremely popular, affordable, and growing option, especially with Trump’s war profiteering.
Apparently in the AI world, they are expecting it’s capabilities to double every 7 months. I saw a list of steps, with the industries that will be impacted with each step, and as each step doubles, it impacts bigger and bigger industries.
It’s learning the basics right now, but humans are training the AI to the point that it will replace them, then the next level of humans will train the next level until replaces them, then move on to the next level to be trained.
In a few years, well all be replaced, except a lucky few who do the maintenance, but those jobs won’t pay much, because if you won’t do it for that pay scale, get out of the way, there are a LOT of unemployed people who will accept it.
Uh… you’re misunderstanding what it’s doing. It’s not learning as we use the word.
It’s figuring out what words probabilistically appear near each other. Like when you use the suggested word at the top of your mobile keyboard. You can write “sentences”, but they often go off the rails.
They just get fed some keywords and spit back out words it has observed to be near those.
And no point are LLMs capable of making any analysis or decisions. They cannot perform any thought based work. At best it can copy past shit it’s seen someone else figure out on the Internet. There are very few jobs out there that are entirely devoid of any decision making that these could actually be expected to replace (and have the company continue to function)
It learns, sure… and it’s already learned as much as it can from the entire internet, and still can’t run a Taco Bell drivethrough.
Yeah, and in the cryptocurrency world, they predicted that Bitcoin would currently be worth $200k - $300k, potentially as high as 400k - 1mil in high-greed environments.
Instead, it is almost exactly at the value of their “Bitcoin Dead” level lol
I would give less credence to the opinions of people whose financial interests are vested in you believing AI is magic.
Humans are more than just chatbots. Therefore even the most advanced chatbot will never replace us.
Which is not to say that I think humans are the supreme possible intelligence, or that machine intelligence could never surpass us. I just do not believe that the current LLM’s we have are capable of achieving anything resembling actual thought, just a decently convincing mimicry of it.
It’s also not to say that I think no jobs will be lost, but I think they’ll be situations like where a QA department reduces its workforce by 75% but then the remaining 25% are still expected to oversee the AI’s output. It’s still a shit outcome economically (though I’d also reference that quote, “Imagine how badly we had to fuck up to create a world where the robots taking all the jobs is a bad thing”), but it’s not the same as actually rivaling us in cognition or intellectual capacity.
And a few years before 2016, everyone who bought Bitcoin was going to be driving a Lamborghini.
I still see more Priuses and Corollas on the road these days.
That’s why they were talking about future capabilities, not current ones
I mean the structure of the technology itself. It’s a chatbot.
And anyway, as far as future capabilities go, that’s just their opinion. And as far as that goes,
If you’re thinking of the list that I’m thinking of: that is completely unfounded. They started with the premise “AI will be perfect in 2 years” and then drew a graph that looked good-ish. There is no scientific value to it.
Valid, but no matter what the timeline, it’s going to improve over time, and companies are already committed to it, so they’ll be prioritizing continuing R&D until it does what they want it to.
It’s coming whether we like it or not, and it’s going to be a bloodbath no matter what the final scenario is. Either the workers take the hit, or the companies do, and if the companies do, then the workers will take the hit anyway.
The workers are screwed no matter what.
Counterpoint: LLMs are a dead-end for AGI. And outsourcing tasks to a “sometimes correct, but very often wrong” bot starts looking like a not-so-good idea once you actually need to pay for the compute.
Valid, but that’s part of what I mean. If it finally works the way they want it to, welcome to a 75+% permanent unemployment rate, and the worker is screwed. But if it doesn’t work, the bubble pops, and the entire economy crashes, and the workers is screwed.
We’re screwed.
Yes because everyone who got laid off is seeing once in a lifetime opportunities and not a lot of automated rejections based off of crappy LLM setups.
deleted by creator
Do the shareholders know? I mean actually though, are they watching? How do these CEOs not get removed for annihilating company futures based on speculative bubbles? Microslop is having the exact same issue with their guy… Can they just not see it somehow? How are they being bamboozled?
Mass Hirings and Firings are all smoke and mirrors for the shareholders. You do a mass hirings to put on the appearance of growth and you do mass firings to put on the appearance of cuttings costs. None of it’s real and the shareholders don’t seem to care.
Tencent does not care.
So he’s…bragging about losing talent???
Seriously I got the best top ppl and letting them go is not the message you want to have.
If they’re so talented and experienced, then why’d you fire them for no reason? Surely the company expects to continue growing and will need more employees, not fewer.
Weird you’d let all that talent go, then…
oh, so he did it for the corporations? nice
Everytime this dirt bag speaks, I wish I had more Epic accounts to cancel.
Just pirate their shit.
Not my cup of tea, for a number of reasons:
“the people who molest and murder children on islands wouldn’t like it if I got something for free, so I won’t”
When you live in society, you should obey the laws OR fight to change them. Pirating stuff is a weak form of protest.
…are you serious?
You’re clearly upset with the leadership of your country. How does piracy change anything?
not pay money better than pay money
I don’t really do it as a “protest”, I do it because I do not respect the law and because being a criminal is cool, but corporations are “leadership of [my] country” and anything that deprives them of any money at all is an effective protest.
Let’s take the absolutely-totally-hypothetical example of pirating Star Trek: Strange New Worlds instead of getting a subscription for Paramount Plus. Paramount is owned by the Ellisons, and Larry Ellison is closer to “leadership of [my] country” than anyone sitting in the White House.
so he cant get my $8 per month or whatever, that’ll show him
deleted by creator