We left Reddit because it was a corporate captured shit show that killed the only nice apps for interacting with it. We didn’t leave because they were too mean to health insurance executives, or because they made glib jokes in dark situations.
From what I can tell, that’s not unique to the lemmy network.
I guess being loathed and having an indifferent at best reaction to your murder is one potential negative consequence of participating in an industry that that devalues human life in exchange for profit as a matter of course.
I don’t really celebrate murder, but I’m certainly not gonna mourn the loss of someone responsible for many preventable deaths bcz they wanted a bigger paycheck.
Understandably. I’m emotionally removed from the situation enough to know that I shouldn’t actively celebrate, if I knew a loved one who’s medical care was denied by a for profit health insurer or if I had to waste my life fighting with them for basic care, then I’m sure I would be actively celebrating too.
I rightly celebrate when evil is destroyed. That ceo killed a huge number of innocent people just so he could make himself even ultra wealthier. That’s true evil. The shooter is an absolute hero.
In a better world the serial killer ceo would go to trial and be jailed for the rest of his life. But in the world we actually live in, the ceo would have faced zero consequences for his evil acts, and he would’ve continued living a life of ultra wealth while he continued murdering thousands more innocent people. So in lieu of legal consequences, shooting him is the most good thing that anyone could’ve done.
Turns out that looting millions of people’s healthcare for profit and ruining a large subset of their lives doesn’t garner you any sympathy. Crazy how that works.
Where should he have been gunned down then? The footage was pretty good, but better lighting and sound would be nice.
Getting gunned down is exactly what should happen to mass murderers. That is exactly what this guy was. When the system fails as consistently as ours has, people are going to take care of justice themselves. The fact that it hasn’t happened at scale is the result of remarkable restraint on the part of the working class.
This isn’t a Lemmy thing. This response has been nearly universal in every space where public comments can be found.
It’s pretty wild how little empathy humanity has as a whole. The discourse on Lemmy around this murder has been a little disturbing. The man had children.
Edited to add, people trying to gotcha me by saying people who were denied healthcare also had children aren’t making the point they think they are. Empathy goes all ways. The comment I replied to said that you can not approve of his work while also not celebrating his death. That’s what I’m agreeing with. Imagine being a child and seeing the internet actively celebrating your father’s death. It’s fucked up.
If you sincerely think that my comment is expressing support for his company denying health coverage for other people with children, then we simply cannot have a rational conversation.
As did many of the thousands of people who died from being denied treatment in order to push his wage packet up another million dollars. Some of them were children themselves.
The man also built a company that refused to provide anti-vomit meds to children on chemo. “Think of the children,” they demanded, while thinking of literally no children but their own.
Quite frankly, executives of health insurance companies continually make money by denying medical coverage to people with children and letting them agonizingly die slowly.
I’m not on here celebrating his death for the sole reason that I think it’s just as likely this corporate espionage / assassination for money, but if it is a normal person shooting a health insurance executive for denying a loved ones’ coverage it’s hard to imagine how the executive didn’t deserve it.
You don’t get to be separated from the morality of your actions, just because you use neutral sounding business language to describe how you’re fucking over and killing people for personal profit.
This is the definition of keyhole compassion. You feel more for the monster who made millions off denying medical care to people, stealing their money, and laughing all the way to the bank rather than the people he deliberately let suffer and die.
Your take is disgusting. The executive class should be living in constant fear after all the crimes they have committed to the working class, poor, colonized, enslaved, and otherwise marginalized people.
Then maybe you should focus on the robber barons creating this crisis instead of concern trolling the people who have been locked out of institutional power and must use violence to get any kind of justice.
Miss me with this bullshit. Bad people deserve bad endings, and he got what he deserved.
If our laws and justice system ever decide to start working for anyone except the rich, then maybe I’ll start giving a fuck about them. I’m sure Trump and Elon will get right on that.
This fella shot the CEO of UnitedHealthcare (An American health insurance company) dead in the street in NYC yesterday in incredibly cold blooded and seemingly-personal fashion.
I wouldn’t call it cold blooded, the CEO was cold blooded. The shooter presumably only murdered one person, the healthcare CEO was undoubtedly a mass murderer.
Insurance companies do not offer a service. There is no value other than to share holders. I had to explain to my daughter that it is literally illegal for a CEO to do the right thing if it will cost shareholders. They leach profits by being an unnecessary middleman and finding every loophole they can so they don’t have to actually do the thing they say they exist for.
I mean, there are huge problems with American health care companies and insurance in general will always tend towards being a scam unless it’s extremely heavily regulated, but at a fundamental level insurance does offer a service (that of socializing the cost of extreme losses), and while executives do have fiduciary duties, the idea that they always have to pursue short term profit no matter what from a legal standpoint, is overblown and exaggerated.
He can submit a complaint to the complaints department by phone between 10am and 4pm mountain time Tuesdays and thursdays. Expected response is 2-5 business months.
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What a cesspit this site is.
Pour out a lil liquor for the fallen robber baron 😞🍾
I wouldn’t go that far but I do block users that post this shit.
It’s the irony that people complain about Reddit being full of hate and one of the reasons they left, and yet Lemmy is full of shit like this.
It’s okay to hate if you only hate cunts
I thought it was because /u/spez is a piece of shit?
We left Reddit because it was a corporate captured shit show that killed the only nice apps for interacting with it. We didn’t leave because they were too mean to health insurance executives, or because they made glib jokes in dark situations.
I left Reddit because of enshittification. trolls can be dealt with but I can’t fix the “Get the Reddit App” dark patterns
From what I can tell, that’s not unique to the lemmy network.
I guess being loathed and having an indifferent at best reaction to your murder is one potential negative consequence of participating in an industry that that devalues human life in exchange for profit as a matter of course.
LMAO “You sir, are a bigot against the robber baron class!”
I don’t really celebrate murder, but I’m certainly not gonna mourn the loss of someone responsible for many preventable deaths bcz they wanted a bigger paycheck.
I think the latter is fine, but there’s lots of active celebration going on.
Understandably. I’m emotionally removed from the situation enough to know that I shouldn’t actively celebrate, if I knew a loved one who’s medical care was denied by a for profit health insurer or if I had to waste my life fighting with them for basic care, then I’m sure I would be actively celebrating too.
I rightly celebrate when evil is destroyed. That ceo killed a huge number of innocent people just so he could make himself even ultra wealthier. That’s true evil. The shooter is an absolute hero.
In a better world the serial killer ceo would go to trial and be jailed for the rest of his life. But in the world we actually live in, the ceo would have faced zero consequences for his evil acts, and he would’ve continued living a life of ultra wealth while he continued murdering thousands more innocent people. So in lieu of legal consequences, shooting him is the most good thing that anyone could’ve done.
Completely agree, but lots of folks here are cheering for what amounts to cartel style street assassination.
What makes it “cartel style?”
Brazen broad daylight, “professional” (in this case well prepared), targeted. Corporate or politically motivated
Realistically it’s a stylistic thing, as we’ve seen countless such videos of similar killings
Not killing the right people, you know, the poor 😉.
Nobody’s forcing you to be here.
Yeah not really gaming related, can I just start slapping pip boys on any old shit and have it stay up?
Not enough thoughts and prayers for you?
Turns out that looting millions of people’s healthcare for profit and ruining a large subset of their lives doesn’t garner you any sympathy. Crazy how that works.
You don’t have to like the guy or his job to think that he shouldn’t be gunned down in the fucking street.
Where should he have been gunned down then? The footage was pretty good, but better lighting and sound would be nice.
Getting gunned down is exactly what should happen to mass murderers. That is exactly what this guy was. When the system fails as consistently as ours has, people are going to take care of justice themselves. The fact that it hasn’t happened at scale is the result of remarkable restraint on the part of the working class.
This isn’t a Lemmy thing. This response has been nearly universal in every space where public comments can be found.
When the bread runs out, the people with eat the rich.
American justice system clearly showed it’s incapable. It’s either street justice or injustice.
Is it ok?
No.
But neither is the alternative.
It’s pretty wild how little empathy humanity has as a whole. The discourse on Lemmy around this murder has been a little disturbing. The man had children.
Edited to add, people trying to gotcha me by saying people who were denied healthcare also had children aren’t making the point they think they are. Empathy goes all ways. The comment I replied to said that you can not approve of his work while also not celebrating his death. That’s what I’m agreeing with. Imagine being a child and seeing the internet actively celebrating your father’s death. It’s fucked up.
If you sincerely think that my comment is expressing support for his company denying health coverage for other people with children, then we simply cannot have a rational conversation.
And I’m sure a lot of the people he denied health care to in the name of profit had children too.
As did many of the thousands of people who died from being denied treatment in order to push his wage packet up another million dollars. Some of them were children themselves.
The man also built a company that refused to provide anti-vomit meds to children on chemo. “Think of the children,” they demanded, while thinking of literally no children but their own.
Quite frankly, executives of health insurance companies continually make money by denying medical coverage to people with children and letting them agonizingly die slowly.
I’m not on here celebrating his death for the sole reason that I think it’s just as likely this corporate espionage / assassination for money, but if it is a normal person shooting a health insurance executive for denying a loved ones’ coverage it’s hard to imagine how the executive didn’t deserve it.
You don’t get to be separated from the morality of your actions, just because you use neutral sounding business language to describe how you’re fucking over and killing people for personal profit.
This is the definition of keyhole compassion. You feel more for the monster who made millions off denying medical care to people, stealing their money, and laughing all the way to the bank rather than the people he deliberately let suffer and die.
Your take is disgusting. The executive class should be living in constant fear after all the crimes they have committed to the working class, poor, colonized, enslaved, and otherwise marginalized people.
No, I don’t feel more. I feel equally. None of it good. People dying is not good.
I don’t even think his company should exist to deny people health care in the first place.
Then maybe you should focus on the robber barons creating this crisis instead of concern trolling the people who have been locked out of institutional power and must use violence to get any kind of justice.
Miss me with this bullshit. Bad people deserve bad endings, and he got what he deserved.
If our laws and justice system ever decide to start working for anyone except the rich, then maybe I’ll start giving a fuck about them. I’m sure Trump and Elon will get right on that.
A civilian shouldn’t have to resort to this because of society’s failure to bring less violent justice.
context?
This fella shot the CEO of UnitedHealthcare (An American health insurance company) dead in the street in NYC yesterday in incredibly cold blooded and seemingly-personal fashion.
I wouldn’t call it cold blooded, the CEO was cold blooded. The shooter presumably only murdered one person, the healthcare CEO was undoubtedly a mass murderer.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/unitedhealthcare-brian-thompson-death-12-04-24/index.html
Insurance companies do not offer a service. There is no value other than to share holders. I had to explain to my daughter that it is literally illegal for a CEO to do the right thing if it will cost shareholders. They leach profits by being an unnecessary middleman and finding every loophole they can so they don’t have to actually do the thing they say they exist for.
Source?
They’re probably referring to fiduciary duty, but with their own words.
I mean, there are huge problems with American health care companies and insurance in general will always tend towards being a scam unless it’s extremely heavily regulated, but at a fundamental level insurance does offer a service (that of socializing the cost of extreme losses), and while executives do have fiduciary duties, the idea that they always have to pursue short term profit no matter what from a legal standpoint, is overblown and exaggerated.
Except that one grumpy guy complaining about being shot
Oh, he’s not complaining anymore.
His wife says on the news, “He loved life” so…
He can submit a complaint to the complaints department by phone between 10am and 4pm mountain time Tuesdays and thursdays. Expected response is 2-5 business months.