Games that are in the business of selling anime girls end up attracting a certain demographic. And as the developers know who their audience is and double down on catering to that crowd, this kind of behavior becomes increasingly normalized over time.
There are feet in the camera’s face within… eight seconds. I’m surprised, but I can’t say I’m shocked.
Aside from that, it is a curious decision to make the first person camera a woman. I thought their target audience would be young men? It’s certainly a larger potential audience than lesbians, although hey, not like I mind that choice ;3
At first, I thought this was a screenshot from Lemmy and thought what the hell. Then I saw that it’s Reddit and all my questions got answered. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well, jokes aside, I’m not of the opinion that humans are either gross idiots or non-gross idiots. I rather think that their social context brings out the gross that lives in all of us.
Reddit is big enough that people feel even more anonymous there, and that there’s enough people willing to share their gross interests to form communities. When those communities exist, you also get an influx of users specifically looking for all of that. Lemmy is just not big enough.
This is a big reason why inceldom has risen imo. Not because of the content, but because of groups of men all reinforcing this behavior.
Now, I won’t lie, roleplay or imagination is one thing, but going online and normalizing this behavior in public is a very very different. Thing, and changes and normalizes that it’s okay to do around real women. Thoughts and behaviors change, and then they wonder why real actual women want nothing to do with them.
In essence, hey if impregnation is your kink, you do you. You talk that way in public? Pretty weird bro.
Not because of the content, but because of groups of men all reinforcing this behavior.
I genuinely know more women than men that act like this. I can’t say you’re entirely wrong about the problems with normalizing behaviour and the like, but simplifying it to “men are disgusting and know nothing of 'real, actual women” when real, actual women are sometimes equally disgusting is, well concerning.
This particular brand of behaviour is usually about rejection of social norms far more than it is ever about the objectification of women. People who have been rejected by society like to take back the power by rejecting the norms of that society.
There IS a difference between reality and fantasy. We see it all the time.
There is an actual fetish for consesual non consent aka rape fantasy/roleplay. If we allow that people routinely engage in fake rape, then why are you surprised if anything else is sexualized. People are weird.
But is it not just as disturbing to you when people glorify violence and gore such as the Saw franchise?
I do not understand the attraction to these things either, but I dont think its healthy to pretend that reality and fantasy cant be separated.
and that’s the real issue I see, is that in inceldom, the line between fantasy and reality is so blurred that they don’t understand the social norms. If r*pe kink is your thing, and your partner and you like to do it, I think that’s fine. personally I don’t like it, but it’s you in your private home and it’s your thing, I’m not going to be the one to say not to.
The key though is that there’s a hard line between fantasy and reality, and if you start thinking that real, live women want that, that 's a huge red line you crossed, and same with most other things.
Idk, like you said people are weird, and we desperately try to fit them into boxes, and when it comes to sex that’s nearly impossible. The key is knowing that what you’re into at home is very different than what you do to real people. I’m rambling a bit, but consent is really the thing. Real people need to consent, unlike online fantasies.
Not to disagree with anything you’re saying, but I hate the phrase “borderline pedophillia.” Either they’re sexualizing children or not. It’s like saying “non-consensual sex.” There’s no such thing. It’s rape or consensual sex.
This is a dimension of the conversation I wish was talked about more. By linking strict norms to behavior in public, we’re telling petite women of the age of majority that don’t have curves that they can’t ever be sexually attractive because it’s extremely immoral and taboo. It’s especially a problem for trans women who can’t afford/don’t want breast augmentation surgery or otherwise can’t develop biological markers that we code as adult. Being told only pedophiles will be attracted to you is harmful to everyone involved.
The problem is we’re linking it to appearances instead of maturity.
The problem with sexual relationships between adults and minors is two fold. First, the minor in question hasn’t had time to fully develop the emotional intelligence to healthily and safely engage in a sexual relationship. Second, there is an innate power differential between a minor and an adult: usually the adult has means of supporting themselves, something akin to solidified social supports and experience, education and knowledge necessary to live without the day-to-day support of others. You put these together, and you have a relationship that, even with the absolute best of intentions, becomes inherently abusive. The adult holds all the power in the relationship, and the minor is left with no choice but to worship the ground they walk on, and worse, they have not developed the emotional intelligence to identify it.
The problem with these 2000 year old loli’s is not their body; the problem is that they’re often child-coded. They act like children. They do things that highlights their lack of knowledge and inexperience. What is often played off as a cute girl anime trope is in reality an indication that this is someone who you can conquer, dominate, and hold power over in a sexual relationship, and you can feel “good” about doing so, because you’re, with the best of intentions, just helping them learn through your loving relationship. So what if you’re fucking her while you do so. (/s on that last sentence just in case)
There is nothing wrong with finding petite women attractive. 30 year olds who look like teenagers are not a problem. Hell, as long as we’re on the topic, I’ll shock most people by arguing that admitting that a 16 year old has developed into an attractive and desirable person isn’t even a problem, as long as you’re doing so from a position of respect rather than intent. The issue is neglecting to recognize the power differential between you and that 16 year old, and convincing yourself that it’s okay to engage in romantic and sexual acts with them while uttering deranged statements like “they’re very mature for their age” or “I’m helping them learn and grow so it’s okay”.
Child coded characters are a problem, and hiding the magic number that supposidly discerns whether or not they’re fuckable doesn’t suddenly make things okay.
By the way, imagine how Piper Perry would look if she was drawn as anime character. Would you consider that extreme lolicon? She’s almost 30 y/o and that is absolutely legal even in real porn.
That’s mostly down to a legal thing if I remember? And last time I read about it, related to a non-english language and in that case I have fuck all Idea how to judge whether splitting rape into two words for it makes sense or not. Sounds wrong to me, but I’m not someone to judge that.
I haven’t seen it nearly this bad until this year. This is the worst year I’ve ever seen for it, and Hoyo games are by far the worst
Congrats for lasting this far. I quit the anime world years ago when it became clear that that shit was becoming the norm, and 95% of products specifically catered to that demographic.
This, by far, was the biggest factor for me quitting anime, but also, it hasn’t evolved or changed at all since the 2000s. It’s all the same tired tropes and stereotypes. Throw in a few dashes of misogyny and bam, top anime apparently.
They also remove people’s comments if they are not directly praising this kind of behavior [the behavior common in that community]. Any sort of controversial comments don’t show up there for that exact reason.
Just a heads up, this happens all the time on Lemmy too. Everywhere where humans talk to each other, this happens. Different topic, same reaction. Its even happening in this very thread.
I personally am not a fan of “toxic positivity” or not allowing people to make critical observations without sending them to the Shadow Realm. It is harmful to legitimate discussion which could be quite interesting as long as the participants don’t start name calling or doxxing or whatever. It seems like nowadays you either have to be 100% positive about literally everything and have no critical thought or you are ejected into space.
I think this is the natural conclusion to modern social media. Constantly being confronted by a billion different worldviews and farming people for engagement by showing them things they disagree with is just going to breed extreme echo chambers.
Yes, most definitely. It is most apparent in smaller groups and userbases, but can quickly become more widespread across larger userbases. That’s not to say that all comments need to be critical, but the extreme tribalism that social platforms have been creating is not a good contribution to society moving forward.
Some do it just to meme or be funny. Especially ones that make these kinds of posts.
The ones you really have to worry about are the ones that get mad when you mention something about a character that is not accurate. They will publicly execute you. Worry about those ones.
I don’t know the context of the meme but i guess she doesn’t look like that in the game or something? They did their waifu dirty? These jokes seem quite harmless and light.
The thing abaout “waifu culture” is that most people do not actually think or act like fictional anime characters are real people. They do it to troll, or be funny, or act stupid, whatever. Like circlejerk subreddits or other online boards where there is some joke that gets perpetuated that everyone in the community thinks is hilarious but everyone outside thinks is stupid.
Yes, there are a tiny few that do, but not a significant number of people actually think that way.
This type of behaviour is neither new, nor actively harmful. There’s really nothing you, I or anyone else can do to stop it, so the only remaining choice is to ignore it and not post screenshots in different communities where people agree with you.
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Are you really surprised these gachas attract tons of horny teenage coomers with waifu baiting as a business model?
The characters all look underage af too
Horny men will be horny. (And women)
(And fish)
Games that are in the business of selling anime girls end up attracting a certain demographic. And as the developers know who their audience is and double down on catering to that crowd, this kind of behavior becomes increasingly normalized over time.
Exhibit A: the hilariously horny official trailer for Jane Doe
There are feet in the camera’s face within… eight seconds. I’m surprised, but I can’t say I’m shocked.
Aside from that, it is a curious decision to make the first person camera a woman. I thought their target audience would be young men? It’s certainly a larger potential audience than lesbians, although hey, not like I mind that choice ;3
Thanks I just busted to this
Developers: White whale, holy grail!
Ok, but she IS pretty cute. Mainly because of the fluffy ears tho.
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At first, I thought this was a screenshot from Lemmy and thought what the hell. Then I saw that it’s Reddit and all my questions got answered. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I don’t? There’s also 4chan.
Well, jokes aside, I’m not of the opinion that humans are either gross idiots or non-gross idiots. I rather think that their social context brings out the gross that lives in all of us.
Reddit is big enough that people feel even more anonymous there, and that there’s enough people willing to share their gross interests to form communities. When those communities exist, you also get an influx of users specifically looking for all of that. Lemmy is just not big enough.
This seems appropriate
This is a big reason why inceldom has risen imo. Not because of the content, but because of groups of men all reinforcing this behavior.
Now, I won’t lie, roleplay or imagination is one thing, but going online and normalizing this behavior in public is a very very different. Thing, and changes and normalizes that it’s okay to do around real women. Thoughts and behaviors change, and then they wonder why real actual women want nothing to do with them.
In essence, hey if impregnation is your kink, you do you. You talk that way in public? Pretty weird bro.
I genuinely know more women than men that act like this. I can’t say you’re entirely wrong about the problems with normalizing behaviour and the like, but simplifying it to “men are disgusting and know nothing of 'real, actual women” when real, actual women are sometimes equally disgusting is, well concerning.
This particular brand of behaviour is usually about rejection of social norms far more than it is ever about the objectification of women. People who have been rejected by society like to take back the power by rejecting the norms of that society.
That’s not what incels are but go off
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There IS a difference between reality and fantasy. We see it all the time.
There is an actual fetish for consesual non consent aka rape fantasy/roleplay. If we allow that people routinely engage in fake rape, then why are you surprised if anything else is sexualized. People are weird.
But is it not just as disturbing to you when people glorify violence and gore such as the Saw franchise?
I do not understand the attraction to these things either, but I dont think its healthy to pretend that reality and fantasy cant be separated.
and that’s the real issue I see, is that in inceldom, the line between fantasy and reality is so blurred that they don’t understand the social norms. If r*pe kink is your thing, and your partner and you like to do it, I think that’s fine. personally I don’t like it, but it’s you in your private home and it’s your thing, I’m not going to be the one to say not to.
The key though is that there’s a hard line between fantasy and reality, and if you start thinking that real, live women want that, that 's a huge red line you crossed, and same with most other things.
Idk, like you said people are weird, and we desperately try to fit them into boxes, and when it comes to sex that’s nearly impossible. The key is knowing that what you’re into at home is very different than what you do to real people. I’m rambling a bit, but consent is really the thing. Real people need to consent, unlike online fantasies.
Not to disagree with anything you’re saying, but I hate the phrase “borderline pedophillia.” Either they’re sexualizing children or not. It’s like saying “non-consensual sex.” There’s no such thing. It’s rape or consensual sex.
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Had a relevant conversation nearby recently: https://ani.social/post/5729640/6253450
This is a dimension of the conversation I wish was talked about more. By linking strict norms to behavior in public, we’re telling petite women of the age of majority that don’t have curves that they can’t ever be sexually attractive because it’s extremely immoral and taboo. It’s especially a problem for trans women who can’t afford/don’t want breast augmentation surgery or otherwise can’t develop biological markers that we code as adult. Being told only pedophiles will be attracted to you is harmful to everyone involved.
The problem is we’re linking it to appearances instead of maturity.
The problem with sexual relationships between adults and minors is two fold. First, the minor in question hasn’t had time to fully develop the emotional intelligence to healthily and safely engage in a sexual relationship. Second, there is an innate power differential between a minor and an adult: usually the adult has means of supporting themselves, something akin to solidified social supports and experience, education and knowledge necessary to live without the day-to-day support of others. You put these together, and you have a relationship that, even with the absolute best of intentions, becomes inherently abusive. The adult holds all the power in the relationship, and the minor is left with no choice but to worship the ground they walk on, and worse, they have not developed the emotional intelligence to identify it.
The problem with these 2000 year old loli’s is not their body; the problem is that they’re often child-coded. They act like children. They do things that highlights their lack of knowledge and inexperience. What is often played off as a cute girl anime trope is in reality an indication that this is someone who you can conquer, dominate, and hold power over in a sexual relationship, and you can feel “good” about doing so, because you’re, with the best of intentions, just helping them learn through your loving relationship. So what if you’re fucking her while you do so. (/s on that last sentence just in case)
There is nothing wrong with finding petite women attractive. 30 year olds who look like teenagers are not a problem. Hell, as long as we’re on the topic, I’ll shock most people by arguing that admitting that a 16 year old has developed into an attractive and desirable person isn’t even a problem, as long as you’re doing so from a position of respect rather than intent. The issue is neglecting to recognize the power differential between you and that 16 year old, and convincing yourself that it’s okay to engage in romantic and sexual acts with them while uttering deranged statements like “they’re very mature for their age” or “I’m helping them learn and grow so it’s okay”.
Child coded characters are a problem, and hiding the magic number that supposidly discerns whether or not they’re fuckable doesn’t suddenly make things okay.
See also: Born Sexy Yesterday
By the way, imagine how Piper Perry would look if she was drawn as anime character. Would you consider that extreme lolicon? She’s almost 30 y/o and that is absolutely legal even in real porn.
That’s mostly down to a legal thing if I remember? And last time I read about it, related to a non-english language and in that case I have fuck all Idea how to judge whether splitting rape into two words for it makes sense or not. Sounds wrong to me, but I’m not someone to judge that.
But yeah other than that, agreed.
Congrats for lasting this far. I quit the anime world years ago when it became clear that that shit was becoming the norm, and 95% of products specifically catered to that demographic.
This, by far, was the biggest factor for me quitting anime, but also, it hasn’t evolved or changed at all since the 2000s. It’s all the same tired tropes and stereotypes. Throw in a few dashes of misogyny and bam, top anime apparently.
Bold claim.
You’d think the mods would want to remove shit like that because what in the fuck, but I guess not?
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Just a heads up, this happens all the time on Lemmy too. Everywhere where humans talk to each other, this happens. Different topic, same reaction. Its even happening in this very thread.
I personally am not a fan of “toxic positivity” or not allowing people to make critical observations without sending them to the Shadow Realm. It is harmful to legitimate discussion which could be quite interesting as long as the participants don’t start name calling or doxxing or whatever. It seems like nowadays you either have to be 100% positive about literally everything and have no critical thought or you are ejected into space.
I think this is the natural conclusion to modern social media. Constantly being confronted by a billion different worldviews and farming people for engagement by showing them things they disagree with is just going to breed extreme echo chambers.
Yes, most definitely. It is most apparent in smaller groups and userbases, but can quickly become more widespread across larger userbases. That’s not to say that all comments need to be critical, but the extreme tribalism that social platforms have been creating is not a good contribution to society moving forward.
Some do it just to meme or be funny. Especially ones that make these kinds of posts.
The ones you really have to worry about are the ones that get mad when you mention something about a character that is not accurate. They will publicly execute you. Worry about those ones.
I don’t know the context of the meme but i guess she doesn’t look like that in the game or something? They did their waifu dirty? These jokes seem quite harmless and light.
That’s the thing, the whole waifu crap.
Like people talk about it as if they’re real persons and treat them as such. It’s borderline psychotic.
The thing abaout “waifu culture” is that most people do not actually think or act like fictional anime characters are real people. They do it to troll, or be funny, or act stupid, whatever. Like circlejerk subreddits or other online boards where there is some joke that gets perpetuated that everyone in the community thinks is hilarious but everyone outside thinks is stupid.
Yes, there are a tiny few that do, but not a significant number of people actually think that way.
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Incels gonna incel
You ever had that cringy feeling that you can feel in the back of your neck? That’s where I’m at
People went anonymous online and lost all shame.
I don’t think this is exclusive to the HSR and GI communities.
This type of behaviour is neither new, nor actively harmful. There’s really nothing you, I or anyone else can do to stop it, so the only remaining choice is to ignore it and not post screenshots in different communities where people agree with you.
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