My reaction too. Next thing they’ll have a hand reach out from the monitor and slap you in the face every time you log on. And people will still put up with it.
Actually, those that don’t have a choice aren’t affected by the enshittification quite as much. This mainly affects the consumers using Windows Home. And those definitely could try something else.
Slashdot was founded 26 years ago. I’m almost 40, so when I say this, I mean it-
Don’t condescend to young people about being children. You’re just old now. Embrace it. Explain things nicely or be one of those old people we hated when we were young.
“[…] switching the default search engine back to Bing […] from Google Search (or whatever other browser is set as default).”
Google is a Browser now, neat. And somehow it’s relevant in a post about search engines.
“Microsoft Edge, the default browser pre-installed on Windows machines, and Bing Search aren’t bad products by any means - they are solid alternatives to Google’s own Chrome and Search.”
They may be good compared to Chrome and now also Google. But even rotten eggs are better than literal shit, at least for most people.
Nah that’s obvious. There was a major supercomputer company that split up their hardware and software soon after software wasn’t strictly for one machine anymore.
Imagine you have a computer that’s been compromised by malware. What do you think the search engine will be set to? Not Google, not Bing, probably some third party one that has ads and malware. Changing that to Bing would technically qualify as a repair.
They could easily improve this by just adding a list of common reputable search engines, and adding those to an allow list.
Glad you had something useful and helpful to add to the discussion. Have you ever in your life heard of “playing devils advocate”? Read a book some time.
As a Linux aficionado, I appreciate you trying to bring an argument for Windows in good faith and a potential way for Microsoft to improve it. This is even if steering people to Bing is Microsoft’s intention with this move so they are unlikely to improve it in the way you suggested.
Since forever, Microsoft-affiliated products are often the only things that get the “trusted” label within the Microsoft ecosystem.
I use a mixture of Linux and Windows 10 LTSC on my PCs/servers/VMs. I will be the first to admit that Windows does sometimes make sense to use. My desktop PC and my dev environment are both Windows 10.
That being said, what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10? As far as I can tell, it’s worse in every way. Built-in ads, a crappier UI, forced obsolescence with TPM requirements, and “feature” bloat that nobody asked for.
10 was a clear improvement over 8, but 11 just seems all-around worse.
what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10?
Many years ago, I was at a Windows XP launch event and the Microsoft Rep had a really honest line:
“Why should you start using Windows XP? Because we’re going to stop supporting Windows 98!”
And ya, that’s pretty much been the cattle prod Microsoft uses to push new versions, eventually you stop getting security updates for the older OS and at some point there are enough security vulnerabilities which make it no longer safe for daily use. That said, with Windows becoming more and more user hostile, other options start to make more sense.
I’d like to hope that by the time Win10 is no longer supported, we have Win12 that doesn’t suck. The way things are going, though, I doubt it. I’m expecting that Win10 will be the last version of Windows I use.
I still prefer Windows over Linux for gaming and software development, but everyone has their limit. I am strongly opposed to advertisements, and when I can no longer block ads from my operating system, it’s dead to me.
I never upgraded software-wise. Moreso my tech got so outdated that new hardware I’d get (I only use Windows for gaming) would have the latest Windows installed - exactly what Microsoft wants.
I think Proton/Linux in the past year is going to really disrupt that strategy.
Turned on my computer yesterday and this popped up. No option to decline. I had to go into the registry last week get all traces of OneDrive out. It’s worse than just ads; it’s also forcing its other products. Like: Bitch, I’m just here for your OS. Fuck off with all your neediness.
"Let’s finish setting up your PC
Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more
Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely acrossall your devices.
Back up your files with OneDrive cloud storage
Have peace of mind knowing they’re backed up and available acrossyour devices
Enhance your web browsing experience
Restore Microsoft recommended browser settings.
Achieve more with a Microsoft 365 subscription
Get premium Microsoft 365 apps, 1 TB of cloud storage to back up files and photos, and more
Back up your phone to your PC
Access your phone’s photos, texts, and more, right on your PC.
Sign in quickly with Windows Hello
Securely unlock your device with a touch or a smile.
I switched Linux distributions last night and it took maybe 15-30 minutes (including download time) and I’ve had no issues (once again). I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with that crap anymore.
Except that it was totally painless. It just works without an issue. This time it was Garuda, and part after install it ran an assistant where it could install a bunch of other applications for you too. It’s incredible how easy the process is compared to Windows.
There’s some distributions that are windows-like, if you want that you can try Linux Mint. But some DEs like Gnome approach desktop use very differently and do away with plenty of windows designs.
Gnome and kde don’t bring drivers, they bring a compositor. The drivers come from LINUX and other packages like MESA which are distro agnostic.
only working on Windows
OS compatibility is in the hands of the engineers and developers, or more accurately in the hands of corporations that will go where there’s money. If you want shit to work on linux, you need to use linux.
Yes. Linux on desktop is by design modulable, you grab parts from plenty of different packages and put them together to make a distribution. Gnome and KDE are just packages, large ones with plenty of dependencies to be sure, but just packages. Here’s the gnome package on arch, do you see any driver?
Literally never heard of it before. Please don’t recommend tiny distributions to new users, they’re a pain to debug due to the lack of information, and they typically have much less support.
Q4OS is a known nd reliable distro (Made in Germany Debian base, KDE<>Trinity) with active developement since 2014, I know several users which use and like it a lot, also very positive reviews in the web.
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Idk what I can say about this except “lol”
My reaction too. Next thing they’ll have a hand reach out from the monitor and slap you in the face every time you log on. And people will still put up with it.
A lot of people don’t have a choice
Technically speaking noone is restricting you from changing your job/school
Who is this Noone guy, and why is he restricting everyone’s job and school choices?
spoiler
sdfsaf
Actually, those that don’t have a choice aren’t affected by the enshittification quite as much. This mainly affects the consumers using Windows Home. And those definitely could try something else.
They about to find out the only reason people don’t use Linux is because Windows is ‘convenient.’
these clickbait anti microsoft ads weren’t amusing in the late 90s on slashdot and they aren’t amusing now.
What is a slashdot?
my sarcasm meter is broken so i hope this is sarcasm but if not oh you sweet summer child
Slashdot was founded 26 years ago. I’m almost 40, so when I say this, I mean it-
Don’t condescend to young people about being children. You’re just old now. Embrace it. Explain things nicely or be one of those old people we hated when we were young.
Especially considering that Slashdot stopped being relevant, maybe… 20 years ago?
Well, windows xp is older than I am
We all know you were born in 1938, usernames don’t lie
This guy has been through WWI, WWII, The automobile, Tupac, I mean…
I’ve read several articles about win 11, putting ads on the start menu.
When I made this, I did not expect I’d use it much. Then…Windows 11.
Pathetic.
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Google is a Browser now, neat. And somehow it’s relevant in a post about search engines.
They may be good compared to Chrome and now also Google. But even rotten eggs are better than literal shit, at least for most people.
Microsoft needs to be broken up.
Any company that can be so blatantly anti consumer and still makes boatloads of money is obviously abusing its dominant position on the market.
Didn’t happen with Apple, or IBM, or Google, or Facebook, or…
Wasn’t IBM broken up into different hardware and software companies? Or an I thinking of someone else
Not ibm. You might be thinking of Bell: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System
Nah that’s obvious. There was a major supercomputer company that split up their hardware and software soon after software wasn’t strictly for one machine anymore.
Which company?
Not yet…
Please microsoft, become the ad platform you’re destined to become and give users a reason to move to linux.
Anti Commercial-AI license
Imagine you have a computer that’s been compromised by malware. What do you think the search engine will be set to? Not Google, not Bing, probably some third party one that has ads and malware. Changing that to Bing would technically qualify as a repair.
They could easily improve this by just adding a list of common reputable search engines, and adding those to an allow list.
What a fucking stupid argument.
Glad you had something useful and helpful to add to the discussion. Have you ever in your life heard of “playing devils advocate”? Read a book some time.
As a Linux aficionado, I appreciate you trying to bring an argument for Windows in good faith and a potential way for Microsoft to improve it. This is even if steering people to Bing is Microsoft’s intention with this move so they are unlikely to improve it in the way you suggested.
Since forever, Microsoft-affiliated products are often the only things that get the “trusted” label within the Microsoft ecosystem.
Yeah it’s not ideal. I just don’t see a world where Microsoft will set people’s search engine to DuckDuckGo
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I use a mixture of Linux and Windows 10 LTSC on my PCs/servers/VMs. I will be the first to admit that Windows does sometimes make sense to use. My desktop PC and my dev environment are both Windows 10.
That being said, what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10? As far as I can tell, it’s worse in every way. Built-in ads, a crappier UI, forced obsolescence with TPM requirements, and “feature” bloat that nobody asked for.
10 was a clear improvement over 8, but 11 just seems all-around worse.
Many years ago, I was at a Windows XP launch event and the Microsoft Rep had a really honest line:
“Why should you start using Windows XP? Because we’re going to stop supporting Windows 98!”
And ya, that’s pretty much been the cattle prod Microsoft uses to push new versions, eventually you stop getting security updates for the older OS and at some point there are enough security vulnerabilities which make it no longer safe for daily use. That said, with Windows becoming more and more user hostile, other options start to make more sense.
I’d like to hope that by the time Win10 is no longer supported, we have Win12 that doesn’t suck. The way things are going, though, I doubt it. I’m expecting that Win10 will be the last version of Windows I use.
I still prefer Windows over Linux for gaming and software development, but everyone has their limit. I am strongly opposed to advertisements, and when I can no longer block ads from my operating system, it’s dead to me.
Windows 12 will probably be subscription based and cloud only
I never upgraded software-wise. Moreso my tech got so outdated that new hardware I’d get (I only use Windows for gaming) would have the latest Windows installed - exactly what Microsoft wants.
I think Proton/Linux in the past year is going to really disrupt that strategy.
Windows 11 re-introduced Clippy as an emoji:
Holy shit, really?
My change controls written in comic sans are going to a new level!
Turned on my computer yesterday and this popped up. No option to decline. I had to go into the registry last week get all traces of OneDrive out. It’s worse than just ads; it’s also forcing its other products. Like: Bitch, I’m just here for your OS. Fuck off with all your neediness.
"Let’s finish setting up your PC Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely acrossall your devices.
Back up your files with OneDrive cloud storage Have peace of mind knowing they’re backed up and available acrossyour devices
Enhance your web browsing experience Restore Microsoft recommended browser settings.
Achieve more with a Microsoft 365 subscription Get premium Microsoft 365 apps, 1 TB of cloud storage to back up files and photos, and more
Back up your phone to your PC Access your phone’s photos, texts, and more, right on your PC.
Sign in quickly with Windows Hello Securely unlock your device with a touch or a smile.
Remind me in 3 days or Continue"
I switched Linux distributions last night and it took maybe 15-30 minutes (including download time) and I’ve had no issues (once again). I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with that crap anymore.
I dont think the install time is what is putting people off switching OS, lol.
Except that it was totally painless. It just works without an issue. This time it was Garuda, and part after install it ran an assistant where it could install a bunch of other applications for you too. It’s incredible how easy the process is compared to Windows.
You’re the b*** using their OS
Ha. You’re not wrong.
Is Linux supposed to be the 1 for 1 swap over?
There’s some distributions that are windows-like, if you want that you can try Linux Mint. But some DEs like Gnome approach desktop use very differently and do away with plenty of windows designs.
No KDE or Gnome theme will bring drivers for software and hardware that is only working on Windows, unfortunately.
That’s not a thing.
Gnome and kde don’t bring drivers, they bring a compositor. The drivers come from LINUX and other packages like MESA which are distro agnostic.
OS compatibility is in the hands of the engineers and developers, or more accurately in the hands of corporations that will go where there’s money. If you want shit to work on linux, you need to use linux.
No way, are you sure??
Yes. Linux on desktop is by design modulable, you grab parts from plenty of different packages and put them together to make a distribution. Gnome and KDE are just packages, large ones with plenty of dependencies to be sure, but just packages. Here’s the gnome package on arch, do you see any driver?
Even more using Q4OS, it’s maybe one of the most Windows like, it has even an Windows installer, making it even easier to change.
Literally never heard of it before. Please don’t recommend tiny distributions to new users, they’re a pain to debug due to the lack of information, and they typically have much less support.
Q4OS is a known nd reliable distro (Made in Germany Debian base, KDE<>Trinity) with active developement since 2014, I know several users which use and like it a lot, also very positive reviews in the web.
https://9to5linux.com/lightweight-distro-q4os-5-2-aquarius-is-out-based-on-debian-12-bookworm
https://floss.social/@q4os
Windows: System needs repairing Me: proceeds to install linux mint
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/01/how-to-install-edge-on-ubuntu-linux
I just rolled back my Win 11 to Win 10 only to use temporarily while I test some other distros to see which one(s) I like.
Shout out to Ventoy, my new favorite usb utility.
better than flashing usb flash drives to install operating systems.
Truly a “where have you been all my life” moment. It even works with recovery ISOs!
I’ll never flash another usb again if I can help it.
I have a 128gb usb c flash drive that I just dropped a ton of distros onto and went to town. So far, EndeaverOS has been my favorite.
Even 10 has annoying popups all the time. And they added AI to the bottom right hand corner where I’ve accidentally clicked on it twice now.
I fought with Broadcom’s shitty website for hours, but finally have Workstation Pro, in which I will test my workflows in Linux.
Games and Lightroom will be a challenge, but I’m going to avoid Win11 at all costs.