How about an update that turns everyone’s Windows 10 in a color flickering mess? Would that not definitely convince everyone to go directly to windows 11?
How about automatically deleting all our emails from odd numbered Wednesdays? Wednesday 5th? Electric bill? Fuck that message! This will convince anyone that windows 11 with AI will be the solution to all our problems!
I have a single W10 machine left and that’s only for VR, everything else is Debian and I couldn’t be happier. It only does what I tell it to, updates never break stuff, the Debian repository has literally everything I need.
The 20min a week I spend on W11 PCs at work has only cemented in my mind how much I do not want to deal with that shit.
You’re mistaken. I use Graphene because it’s the least-bad option currently available to me. And I definitely don’t do so gladly. My next phone will likely be Ubuntu Touch or some other variety of Linux phone.
I like how Dell has all this data, and still somehow believe that AI will help sell Windows 11, and also seem to think that Apple’s affordable products are the only alternative option for those holding out on updating to windows 11.
Oh wait, look at this headline from 3 weeks ago, “Microsoft signs $9.7 billion cloud deal with IREN as AI demand swells”.
AI-server maker Dell was also up about 1%, as it would provide IREN with Nvidia’s GB300 chips and other equipment that Microsoft (MSFT.O), opens new tab will use for about $5.8 billion.
Oh wait, they only care about their corporate customers, what’s new? Water is wet?
My work machine has been “upgraded” to a windows 11. Dark mode, The start menu and explorer are still broken as shit, but at least IT removed and blocked all the AIshit.
The fucking calendar doesn’t show a whole month at once and instead a rolling 4 week selection of dates with the current week at the top. It’s fucking infuriating and while I can’t find a setting to switch to change that, I can change AM/PM to other custom abbreviations. No idea who that’s for but hey ho whatever Microsoft
Edit: I keep posting variations on this complaint hoping someone will eventually respond to the tune of “you’re a fucking moron, this is how you fix this” but it hasn’t happened yet, so that leads me to believe that it’s an actual fucking problem with the calendar module which blows my mind.
You can click on the date and then click on a thingy to show the whole month. But only on the main monitor. Fucking shitass Windows, how could they fuck it up so badly?
Lmao tbf this is on a work computer where I don’t have that kind of control.
I still have 10 on the home PC and I get closer and closer to installing Linux on it every time I tinker with my raspberry pi. That said, I fear the same issues will come up. The second something doesn’t work right, I’m gonna have to turn to hunting down forum posts with issues similar to mine but slightly different and randomly applying fixes I don’t truly understand until something works. Not that this is all that dissimilar to when windows 10 breaks, but that happens far less often than it does with the Linux distros I’ve used.
Then comes the concern that I won’t be able to find drivers for the hardware I have, or if I upgrade hardware that it’ll be much harder to get drivers for newer stuff… I’d love to ditch Microsoft, but Linux, while much better than a decade ago, is still a shlep to use
I’m gonna have to turn to hunting down forum posts
The real strength of Linux is you can go on the forums and get a flood of enthusiastic help from people who know what they’re talking about, no matter how basic the problem. Every Microsoft help thread I’ve seen is fifty people saying “I have this exact problem!” and one rep saying “This is a known problem. Thread closed.”
Don’t forget the first response that always gives the steps to solve a simpler version of that issue, almost like the responses are being copy/pasted from a guide by people who barely understand anything about it themselves.
Plus these days the number of solutions that refer to some setting that no longer exists in the location it did at the time the solution was written.
Meanwhile on Linux, I haven’t even had to search as much for solutions. Yesterday I installed a new desktop that I’ve never used before (KDE-Plasma) and was quickly able to figure out the changes I wanted to make because it’s designed to be discoverable and obvious. Whereas I’d say that Windows seems designed to make people either feel tempted to pay for a solution or give up and just do it the way MS wants.
With Linux, you select the right tool to the job. The ones given to you out the gate depending on what you install (Mint vs Arch, for instance) might be enough for all your needs, and you get to pick and choose starting gear. If you need more tools after the fact, you have a software center to install flatpacks for anything generic you may want, and the terminal lets you go wild if there’s anything special not covered you need modified. There’s manual pages, and the forms are last resort for most.
On Windows, you are given a generic toolset. Usually it works, but sometimes they just break for no discernable reason. You can call Microsoft for support, but good luck talking to a human. You can’t pick a different starting toolset, and while you can install software (by using a web browser and hoping you don’t get phished), it’s difficult to change underlying components without getting blocked by the OS or breaking a core function. Windows forums are quite a wasteland, and almost nothing is documented for the user.
But the frequency of issues requiring extra work is far higher with Linux than Windows, in my experience, and it’s often a much longer process to fix with Linux.
With Linux, I often run into issues that I’ll patiently tinker with for hours, but eventually run into a wall, resolve to address another day. And I’ll learn a lot about computers along the way! That’s fine and even fun when it’s my self-hosted recipe app (which apparently simply cannot run on a Raspberry Pi except for all the people who said they got it working on their machine yet their solutions don’t work on mine), but it’s far more frustrating when it’s an application for something more basic like music or video playback, word processing or spreadsheets or internet browsing.
Of course all the same kind of problems can occur on a Windows machine, but, at least in my life, it happens less than once a year as opposed to Linux where it seems to happen once per “new thing” I try to do. Some day I’ll do it. But right now, Windows 10 “just works” in a way that’s more valuable.
There’s a pretty good chance the Linux issues you’re having are actually Raspberry Pi issues. I’ve had to do so much more tinkering with SBCs to get things to work compared to x86 systems
The rpi 5 processor is armv8 and it lacks a lot of support in general. That thing has made me want to break my keyboard in half a few too many times lol
Just pick a distro and a small cheap ssd, and make sure you use btrfs and enable snapshotting schedule from day one. Then If you get in that situation its super easy to flip back to an earlier state.
You will absolutely me counter situations that force you to investigate a bit, but as you use it those will become less frequent.
Stay in the Linux environment as long as you can take it. If you get frustrated hop back in windows a bit until you get the hankering to try again.
Worst case scenario is you’re out ~20 USD. (Though I understand that’s too much for some)
Are you talking about the calendar that appears when you click the time on the (by default) right side of the task bar? Because mine shows a full month. This is how it’s been since I upgraded from Windows 10. So I don’t know what setting you have to change, but at least it’s possible.
And when they removed the agenda from the calendar flyout to try and force you to use the ‘widgets’ / be exposed to more ads and propaganda. SMH my head.
It’s too much work to use, plain and simple. It has officially become more of a hassle to run Windows than it is to just download a user-friendly Linux distro and learn about docker.
I don’t really understand all the hate for 11. I use it at work and it’s fine. I prefer 10 and 7 but 11 doesn’t rile me up or anything (except the forced online account thing).
I don’t know why you are so insistent that everyone who mentions Windows is using a online account, but you actually do not need a google account to use an android device in most cases. I have been using android phones with no logged in account, with side loaded app stores and independent apps for years. Maybe the mainline flagship devices enforce it; I haven’t had that problem personally.
Google would really like to crack down on installing software without their permission, and they still track every bit of information they can with the Google Play API even without an account, but I digress. I haven’t had a google account in several years. Or a Microsoft account either, for that matter.
As a Linux user who is forced to use 11 for work, it’s awful. Everything is super slow and laggy. Sometimes the left panel of the file explorer just doesn’t load and I have to exit and reopen. And that’s just after a couple of weeks of using it.
My Microsoft surface kept having my issues with my thunderbolt dock - screen flicker on occasion. Swap the dock, same problem. Get a new 3k Lenovo laptop, problem is gone except after some undefined amount of time my mouse and keyboard temporarily disconnect. Like for .5 seconds. Sometimes this causes my keys to repeat (“Hi, howwww are you doing” for example)
Both docks did not have this issue with the mac I was using for work lol.
Both laptops, when windows asks for my pin the pin window has no taskbar icon, it’s the default no icon image.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. So many little glitches I’ve been dealing with.
So does the pro version, at least for 11. Most people’s complaints don’t exist on my laptop, but every time I use someone else’s windows computer I get hurt deep inside somewhere
For me its explorer tabs freezing, I can move the window around, but can’t click any files inside.
Then there is the Office ai.exe and aimgr.DLL that keeping getting installed with updates, and these randomly hog system resources even though I’m not using office apps at the moment. (In Microsoft Office/root/vfs/ProgramFikesCommonX64(X86)/Microsoft Shared/Office16/
I’ve had W11 at work for well over a year and had the explorer freeze happening for the first time yesterday. I don’t think it’s a big issue. What frustrated me the most is that credential guard broke mschapv2 authentication, forcing us to change the wireless authentication to certificate based but we’ve had non-stop issues with that.
During testing this didn’t even register because it doesn’t outright break the authentication flow, but (according to the official Microsoft documentation) it “might” break it. So after introducing W11 we started getting people where wireless worked fine one moment, and then it would disconnect and refuse to reconnect. Reinstalling the NIC drivers solved it for some time, but inevitably it would happen again, but sporadically and no obvious reason for it.
So we switched to EAP-TLS as per Microsofts recommendation and it has a whole range of new issues, mainly frequent re-authentications. We deployed a temp wifi now which is just password based to figure out wtf is going on, but this issue has been the bane of my existence for months now.
I downvoted because not understanding the hate for windows 11 is really just due to ignorance at this point. I mean, not everyone is a power user, but windows has been on the steady decline for at least 10 years now. Enshittification isn’t some new concept.
Same. We have it on several hundred computers, and I can’t really say it is any more trouble than 10. It has its annoyances to be sure, but no more than any other OS I’ve worked with. Maybe the work versions are just better, but I’ve not seen any issues with family PCs either.
I think maybe the root of the conflict is that it only works if you are fine with Microsoft’s “design” choices… cloud accounts, one drive integration, taskbar on bottom, etc., and many people on this platform prefer a much higher degree of control over the OS.
I think maybe the root of the conflict is that it only works if you are fine with Microsoft’s “design” choices… cloud accounts, one drive integration, taskbar on bottom
Grouping these three things together and then labelling the group ‘design choices’ is wild
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Just 5 weeks left. You can do it windows 11!
How about an update that turns everyone’s Windows 10 in a color flickering mess? Would that not definitely convince everyone to go directly to windows 11?
How about automatically deleting all our emails from odd numbered Wednesdays? Wednesday 5th? Electric bill? Fuck that message! This will convince anyone that windows 11 with AI will be the solution to all our problems!
I have a single W10 machine left and that’s only for VR, everything else is Debian and I couldn’t be happier. It only does what I tell it to, updates never break stuff, the Debian repository has literally everything I need.
The 20min a week I spend on W11 PCs at work has only cemented in my mind how much I do not want to deal with that shit.
Dell has a chance to do the funniest thing ever…
They started offering Ubuntu on their laptops. My company made W11 a requirement, unfortunately.
Yea they don’t want to have to pay for IT people that know anything more than scripts.
I don’t want more fucking AI baked into my operating system. I just want a computer that works in a way I can deal with, then gets out of my way.
Yet you gladly use android or apple.
You’re mistaken. I use Graphene because it’s the least-bad option currently available to me. And I definitely don’t do so gladly. My next phone will likely be Ubuntu Touch or some other variety of Linux phone.
Don’t assume. It makes an “ass” out of “u”.
I have an android phone and hate every second of it. Next time I get a new phone it’s getting GraphineOS on day one.
My android doesn’t utilize AI I’ve disabled all of it. And 8 can fully customize and tweak it how I want. How is this the same?
I like how Dell has all this data, and still somehow believe that AI will help sell Windows 11, and also seem to think that Apple’s affordable products are the only alternative option for those holding out on updating to windows 11.
Oh wait, look at this headline from 3 weeks ago, “Microsoft signs $9.7 billion cloud deal with IREN as AI demand swells”.
Oh wait, they only care about their corporate customers, what’s new? Water is wet?
My work machine has been “upgraded” to a windows 11. Dark mode, The start menu and explorer are still broken as shit, but at least IT removed and blocked all the AIshit.
The fucking calendar doesn’t show a whole month at once and instead a rolling 4 week selection of dates with the current week at the top. It’s fucking infuriating and while I can’t find a setting to switch to change that, I can change AM/PM to other custom abbreviations. No idea who that’s for but hey ho whatever Microsoft
Edit: I keep posting variations on this complaint hoping someone will eventually respond to the tune of “you’re a fucking moron, this is how you fix this” but it hasn’t happened yet, so that leads me to believe that it’s an actual fucking problem with the calendar module which blows my mind.
You can click on the date and then click on a thingy to show the whole month. But only on the main monitor. Fucking shitass Windows, how could they fuck it up so badly?
It’s easy, you just need >!to install Linux!<
Lmao tbf this is on a work computer where I don’t have that kind of control.
I still have 10 on the home PC and I get closer and closer to installing Linux on it every time I tinker with my raspberry pi. That said, I fear the same issues will come up. The second something doesn’t work right, I’m gonna have to turn to hunting down forum posts with issues similar to mine but slightly different and randomly applying fixes I don’t truly understand until something works. Not that this is all that dissimilar to when windows 10 breaks, but that happens far less often than it does with the Linux distros I’ve used.
Then comes the concern that I won’t be able to find drivers for the hardware I have, or if I upgrade hardware that it’ll be much harder to get drivers for newer stuff… I’d love to ditch Microsoft, but Linux, while much better than a decade ago, is still a shlep to use
The real strength of Linux is you can go on the forums and get a flood of enthusiastic help from people who know what they’re talking about, no matter how basic the problem. Every Microsoft help thread I’ve seen is fifty people saying “I have this exact problem!” and one rep saying “This is a known problem. Thread closed.”
Don’t forget the first response that always gives the steps to solve a simpler version of that issue, almost like the responses are being copy/pasted from a guide by people who barely understand anything about it themselves.
Plus these days the number of solutions that refer to some setting that no longer exists in the location it did at the time the solution was written.
Meanwhile on Linux, I haven’t even had to search as much for solutions. Yesterday I installed a new desktop that I’ve never used before (KDE-Plasma) and was quickly able to figure out the changes I wanted to make because it’s designed to be discoverable and obvious. Whereas I’d say that Windows seems designed to make people either feel tempted to pay for a solution or give up and just do it the way MS wants.
“I’m doing my part!”
I love helping ppl w/ questions :)
I mean here’s the comparison:
With Linux, you select the right tool to the job. The ones given to you out the gate depending on what you install (Mint vs Arch, for instance) might be enough for all your needs, and you get to pick and choose starting gear. If you need more tools after the fact, you have a software center to install flatpacks for anything generic you may want, and the terminal lets you go wild if there’s anything special not covered you need modified. There’s manual pages, and the forms are last resort for most.
On Windows, you are given a generic toolset. Usually it works, but sometimes they just break for no discernable reason. You can call Microsoft for support, but good luck talking to a human. You can’t pick a different starting toolset, and while you can install software (by using a web browser and hoping you don’t get phished), it’s difficult to change underlying components without getting blocked by the OS or breaking a core function. Windows forums are quite a wasteland, and almost nothing is documented for the user.
That’s true and it makes sense.
But the frequency of issues requiring extra work is far higher with Linux than Windows, in my experience, and it’s often a much longer process to fix with Linux.
With Linux, I often run into issues that I’ll patiently tinker with for hours, but eventually run into a wall, resolve to address another day. And I’ll learn a lot about computers along the way! That’s fine and even fun when it’s my self-hosted recipe app (which apparently simply cannot run on a Raspberry Pi except for all the people who said they got it working on their machine yet their solutions don’t work on mine), but it’s far more frustrating when it’s an application for something more basic like music or video playback, word processing or spreadsheets or internet browsing.
Of course all the same kind of problems can occur on a Windows machine, but, at least in my life, it happens less than once a year as opposed to Linux where it seems to happen once per “new thing” I try to do. Some day I’ll do it. But right now, Windows 10 “just works” in a way that’s more valuable.
There’s a pretty good chance the Linux issues you’re having are actually Raspberry Pi issues. I’ve had to do so much more tinkering with SBCs to get things to work compared to x86 systems
I thought that too, at least when I was trying all this on my Pi Zero 2 W but I think the 5 is x64 innit?
I take on projects on my weeks off, tho, so maybe I’ll set up a dual boot during my Q1 week off and take it from there.
The rpi 5 processor is armv8 and it lacks a lot of support in general. That thing has made me want to break my keyboard in half a few too many times lol
Just pick a distro and a small cheap ssd, and make sure you use btrfs and enable snapshotting schedule from day one. Then If you get in that situation its super easy to flip back to an earlier state.
You will absolutely me counter situations that force you to investigate a bit, but as you use it those will become less frequent.
Stay in the Linux environment as long as you can take it. If you get frustrated hop back in windows a bit until you get the hankering to try again.
Worst case scenario is you’re out ~20 USD. (Though I understand that’s too much for some)
Are you talking about the calendar that appears when you click the time on the (by default) right side of the task bar? Because mine shows a full month. This is how it’s been since I upgraded from Windows 10. So I don’t know what setting you have to change, but at least it’s possible.
Might be related to resolution - i don’t think it shows a whole month on my small work laptop
Hm I hadn’t considered that. I’m also using a small work laptop here.
And when they removed the agenda from the calendar flyout to try and force you to use the ‘widgets’ / be exposed to more ads and propaganda. SMH my head.
Listen to the language used in this article. Fucking creatures these corpo ghouls.
It’s too much work to use, plain and simple. It has officially become more of a hassle to run Windows than it is to just download a user-friendly Linux distro and learn about docker.
Year of the Linux desktop though
My new Linux laptop arrives Tuesday. I’m out
A.S.T.E.R.
Can’t imagine why.
Microsoft leadership: “Guess we don’t have enough AI features”
Kill me now
LTSC IoT
I don’t really understand all the hate for 11. I use it at work and it’s fine. I prefer 10 and 7 but 11 doesn’t rile me up or anything (except the forced online account thing).
For me it was Microsoft’s support for genocide in Palestine.
You want to support that?
And yet you need a forced online account for android or apple and you gladly do that.
I don’t know why you are so insistent that everyone who mentions Windows is using a online account, but you actually do not need a google account to use an android device in most cases. I have been using android phones with no logged in account, with side loaded app stores and independent apps for years. Maybe the mainline flagship devices enforce it; I haven’t had that problem personally.
Google would really like to crack down on installing software without their permission, and they still track every bit of information they can with the Google Play API even without an account, but I digress. I haven’t had a google account in several years. Or a Microsoft account either, for that matter.
As a Linux user who is forced to use 11 for work, it’s awful. Everything is super slow and laggy. Sometimes the left panel of the file explorer just doesn’t load and I have to exit and reopen. And that’s just after a couple of weeks of using it.
It shouldn’t take 30 seconds to open explorer
My Microsoft surface kept having my issues with my thunderbolt dock - screen flicker on occasion. Swap the dock, same problem. Get a new 3k Lenovo laptop, problem is gone except after some undefined amount of time my mouse and keyboard temporarily disconnect. Like for .5 seconds. Sometimes this causes my keys to repeat (“Hi, howwww are you doing” for example)
Both docks did not have this issue with the mac I was using for work lol.
Both laptops, when windows asks for my pin the pin window has no taskbar icon, it’s the default no icon image.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. So many little glitches I’ve been dealing with.
Windows 11 can lick a twat.
Enterprise editions often have a lot of the garbage disabled
So does the pro version, at least for 11. Most people’s complaints don’t exist on my laptop, but every time I use someone else’s windows computer I get hurt deep inside somewhere
For me its explorer tabs freezing, I can move the window around, but can’t click any files inside. Then there is the Office ai.exe and aimgr.DLL that keeping getting installed with updates, and these randomly hog system resources even though I’m not using office apps at the moment. (In Microsoft Office/root/vfs/ProgramFikesCommonX64(X86)/Microsoft Shared/Office16/
I’ve had W11 at work for well over a year and had the explorer freeze happening for the first time yesterday. I don’t think it’s a big issue. What frustrated me the most is that credential guard broke mschapv2 authentication, forcing us to change the wireless authentication to certificate based but we’ve had non-stop issues with that.
During testing this didn’t even register because it doesn’t outright break the authentication flow, but (according to the official Microsoft documentation) it “might” break it. So after introducing W11 we started getting people where wireless worked fine one moment, and then it would disconnect and refuse to reconnect. Reinstalling the NIC drivers solved it for some time, but inevitably it would happen again, but sporadically and no obvious reason for it.
So we switched to EAP-TLS as per Microsofts recommendation and it has a whole range of new issues, mainly frequent re-authentications. We deployed a temp wifi now which is just password based to figure out wtf is going on, but this issue has been the bane of my existence for months now.
While my freezing of tabbed explorer is a daily prooblem, I’m glad I’m not dealing with your authentication issue. 😀
Careful now, that opinion isn’t allowed round these parts.
It’s a shame you’re getting downvoted for a simple opinion. Clearly people still think this is reddit.
I downvoted because not understanding the hate for windows 11 is really just due to ignorance at this point. I mean, not everyone is a power user, but windows has been on the steady decline for at least 10 years now. Enshittification isn’t some new concept.
Same. We have it on several hundred computers, and I can’t really say it is any more trouble than 10. It has its annoyances to be sure, but no more than any other OS I’ve worked with. Maybe the work versions are just better, but I’ve not seen any issues with family PCs either.
I think maybe the root of the conflict is that it only works if you are fine with Microsoft’s “design” choices… cloud accounts, one drive integration, taskbar on bottom, etc., and many people on this platform prefer a much higher degree of control over the OS.
Grouping these three things together and then labelling the group ‘design choices’ is wild