Following on from the success of the Steam Deck, Valve is creating its very own ecosystem of products. The Steam Frame, Steam Machine, and Steam Controller are all set to launch in the new year. We’ve tried each of them and here’s what you need to know about each one.
“From the Frame to the Controller to the Machine, we’re a fairly small industrial design team here, and we really made sure it felt like a family of devices, even to the slightest detail,” Clement Gallois, a designer at Valve, tells me during a recent visit to Valve HQ. “How it feels, the buttons, how they react… everything belongs and works together kind of seamlessly.”
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I would love the Machine as a case for PCs. I’m not sure how feasible it is (knowing PCs probably not) but i’ve already got a gaming PC that’s far more powerful in terms of GPU and RAM. I’d love to be able to shove it in there and have the best of both. That light on the front has me especially interested despite just being a light
Well, basically, I wrote out a whole brainstorming session, but it boils down to this:
The Steam Machine case is way too small to be a general PC case.
Its smaller and more compact than even most small form factor, ITX, homebuilt or custom built PCs, that have actual inbuilt, like fullsize desktop GPU graphics capability.
But!
If Valve, or somebody, reworked the internal MoBo to have more of a pure CPU type onboard chip, with SODIMM sys RAM, not an APU with LPDDR RAMlike what we see here… and then also gave it a Thunderbolt port, or hell, maybe just a second SSD slot, which you could then use an OcuLink with…
Well, now you have roughly a system box, that shunts off the GPU part into an eGPU box, sitting next to it.
That would/could allow you to basically plug in any fullsize desktop GPU you want, down to a a less expensive, laptop grade or whatever.
So thats basically a laptop + eGPU setup, and would allow you to, within the main system, upgrade RAM and storage mem as you please, and that should, theoretically, be able to fit into the Steam Machine case, or something very close to it.
Then you just have a second box next to it with a second power supply, that seats some kind of GPU, and connects via thunder bolt or oculink, which can do data transfer at speeds/bandwidths that you’d normally only see within/on the motherboard itself.
My guess would be that around $800 sounds roughly right… if you try to approximate a small form factor pc with… roughly those specs?
You’d kinda end up around there, but… the architecture is so nonstandard, its hard to say.
You gotta think of it as an SFF PC not a console.
Because its closer to an SFF PC than it is to a console.
Right like, this thing is also a PC, its a laptop or w/e if you plug a mouse and keyboard into it.
I run desktop mode on my Deck all the time, use it as a laptop/tablet of sorts.
As far as tiers go, GN has said there are plans for a 512 GB and 2TB variant, so, there’s at least two tiers… I would not expect like, more or less GDDR5/6 RAM variants though, the whole thing is built too much around the exact power draw and thermal load.
But on the other hand, Valve have economies of scale, so they can build this thing cheaper than a normal person can build a PC. Plus, they don’t need to make a huge profit on this stuff. The purpose of the hardware is to sell games. At least that’s what I’ll keep telling myself until we find out more.
But on the other other hand, tariffs, and RAM just doubled in cost in like the last month, because… well this time its not bitcoin miners buying all the GPUs, its… the entire AI industry is a multi trillion dollar scam.
Hilariously, one way to read this announcement is that Valve expects the AI bubble to blow up by ‘early next year’, thus lowering RAM costs, ahahaha!
Holy shit, Valve is clowning on MSFT so fucking hard right now.
There’s no display, no battery, no controller included, no OS fees… I think it could be cheaper than $800.
Because it’s all custom hardware we don’t really have a great basis for comparison. I’m going to guess that the cheapest variant will be something like $650. Doubt more than $700 though.
Agree it has be price competitive with consoles. Though I wonder if making a docked Deck be on equal footing with the Machine would have been a better use of R&D. Maybe simply improving having the dock house an eGPU and bumping the Deck specs.
Right, that’s what I’m saying. Make a v2 Deck with upgraded CPU/memory, and put the GPU in the dock so it can do 4k on a big screen. I’m sure “Deck v2 is 4x more powerful than v1 and you can dock it for 4k @ 60fps on the big screen” would be just as good a marketing line as “Machine is 6x more powerful than a Deck”.
I mean like a v2 Steam Deck and Dock. Give the Deck a bump in CPU/RAM/storage specs and new external ports to facilitate having the GPU in the dock. It could technically even be an externalized PCIe connector instead of Thunderbolt/USB. In handheld mode you get the iCPU limited to 1080, but dock it on the big screen and now you get full 4k @ 60 FPS. Add an HDMI port so you do 1080 on a big screen without a dock.
At this point, you would think that if they wanted to go with an Occulink/Thunderbolt thing… they’d make it in the Steam Machine, the thing that doesn’t move around as much.
They… the Valve video says the Steam Machine is 6 times as powerful as a Steam Deck.
… I have no idea what that actually means, maybe its TFLOPs, who knows, but uh, yeah, if you’re making a 6x thing thats more stationary, I would think that would be the thing you’d make with an option or variant to just jam more compute into it via modularity.
I dunno. It seems like more news about the Deck 2 or whatever is coming, at some point, Valve’s whole actual video is basically making fun of how its not talking about the Deck… stay tuned, goth gamer nation…???
Either way, we always have this:
Oh god are there going to be some very very salty Nintendo fans, very soon.
At this point, you would think that if they wanted to go with an Occulink/Thunderbolt thing… they’d make it in the Steam Machine, the thing that doesn’t move around as much.
I hadn’t heard of OCuLink before, apparently it’s an external PCIe connector! Eh, that would seem like a waste of engineering team to build that into a stationary desktop PC. They can just build the PC case to whatever size is needed to house the GPU and related cooling, which they did. This is the second desktop PC they’ve released, no? They had one like 10 years ago that was a commercial failure? My impression as a console gamer is that the Deck is very successful and popular, but it’s under-powered for playing on a big screen.
They… the Valve video says the Steam Machine is 6 times as powerful as a Steam Deck.
Right, my point was just bumping the chipset/CPU/memory would give a nice marketing tagline like that without designing a whole new desktop PC. Obviously, you can’t put a giant modern CPU and heat sinks and fans in a handheld. So spend that engineering R&D money on giving the dock a GPU so now the Deck performs as well as the Machine would have, and you have it using a successful branding rather than reviving a brand that already failed once.
It seems like more news about the Deck 2 or whatever is coming,
I have a PSVR2 and I don’t consider the capability of VR to be its failure. I have to assume it’s just that much harder and more expensive to develop for VR. Like the FPS genre is hugely successful, and that’s such a natural fit for VR.
I think it’s just an accessibility thing. VR is expensive, and it takes people pushing through some disorientation/nausea to really enjoy it. Many will simply feel sick the first few times they try it, decide it’s not for them and leave it.
Just place a fan on the floor in front of you. Bam! No nausea. Because now your body instinctively knows your position and orientation in the space you’re in.
As someone who experienced nausea. I’ve tried all kinds of tricks. They all help, just like Dramamine or those bands with the beads that 1/10 pain.
It took quite a while to get over the nausea. A lot of starting and stopping with slightly longer sessions each time.
I fully expect that most people would not be willing to do that but I received the system as a gift and I really liked it. I wish they had more longer games. I’m so tired of the games that are 30s of concept and then do it over-and-over.
GLaDoS may or may not flood your home with neurotoxin if you try this, but uh, you could run a local LLM on it, and thus just have your own AI catgirlfriend or maybe lightweight coding assistant w/e.
I’ve futzed about with OpenLlama on a Bazzite Deck, there aren’t too many models lightweight enough to run, but some of them work!
I suppose it’s not the first time Valve has counted to 3; in terms of releasing 3 projects. They released the Orange Box which had 3 games in it. But they never put out a 3rd iteration of things.
So expect this to be the last Steam Controller and Steam Machine, if we count the old 3p hardware Linux boxes and Index headset they helped with.
The Machine, the desktop/living room console… It has a 300W PSU. GN has the Valve designer saying its generally just a tad over 200W of draw.
So uh… that’s practically nothing, you could probably actually power that out of a homebuilt steam turbine + power station (like for solar panels, home backup power unit type thing).
For reference, an Nvidia 5090 needs 575W… just by itself.
An AMD 9070, non XT, on its own, uses 220W, approximately what the entire Steam Machines uses.
The Steam Machine does not even have a 3 prong connector.
Nope, turns out, thats a whole game in and of itself.
Also, while vanilla Kenshi doesn’t really do specific organs… you can always just peel somebody, swap some limbs around, or just toss a torso down a hole, I guess…
It says it is a stand alone headset and doesn’t need a PC… Right before it goes on to say it’s meant to be used with a PC but wirelessly. Is it stand alone or not? If I have Beat Saber in my library, do I have to stream it from an actual dedicated PC or can it run straight off the headset like I can with a Quest?
Its both, based on their article. Its an ARM chip they have a translation layer called FEX to handle, so it should be able to play most any steam game. Native vulkan games will apparently run even better because it can skip some of the emulation and just hit the vulkan API directly for rendering. It has onboard storage, so it can be used standalone.
In standalone mode, the intergrated chip will use about 20w, so you will get about 1 hour of playtime on it because of the 20wh battery. In streaming mode, the graphics will be better, and the power use cuts to about 6w, so it can go 3-4 hours. It has an integrated usb port, so you can easily plug in a bog standard battery bank and put it in your pocket for longer play times.
Just want to add an hour in VR is a LOT longer than 1 hour of flat screen gaming. If you haven’t used VR then they aren’t as comparable as you think.
You’re usually on your feet, holding your arms up high, waving them around ,likely squatting - a lot and you’ve got a screen blaring into your eyes with constant high intensity stimulation.
Most people won’t do 1 hour sessions on the regular, forget a 3-4 hour session without being put down to charge for while you take a break.
I’ve done a 3-hour session playing Beat Saber multiplayer with a friend. It was the most intense workout I’ve ever experienced.
The only break was in the middle to refill my enormous water bottle and to clean up the huge pool of sweat on the floor that was getting gross (I was wearing socks, LOL).
My arms hurt for like three days straight after that. I still played every night though 😁👍
Oh man you gotta try Pistol Whip if you have not . I had a 2 hour session and I felt like I could not get up the next day. Knees weak, arms heavy, >!mom’s spaghetti !<
I had one of the older original ones from a decade back, this one is significantly different, totally different form factor, amongst other details and changes.
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I would love the Machine as a case for PCs. I’m not sure how feasible it is (knowing PCs probably not) but i’ve already got a gaming PC that’s far more powerful in terms of GPU and RAM. I’d love to be able to shove it in there and have the best of both. That light on the front has me especially interested despite just being a light
Well, basically, I wrote out a whole brainstorming session, but it boils down to this:
The Steam Machine case is way too small to be a general PC case.
Its smaller and more compact than even most small form factor, ITX, homebuilt or custom built PCs, that have actual inbuilt, like fullsize desktop GPU graphics capability.
But!
If Valve, or somebody, reworked the internal MoBo to have more of a pure CPU type onboard chip, with SODIMM sys RAM, not an APU with LPDDR RAMlike what we see here… and then also gave it a Thunderbolt port, or hell, maybe just a second SSD slot, which you could then use an OcuLink with…
Well, now you have roughly a system box, that shunts off the GPU part into an eGPU box, sitting next to it.
That would/could allow you to basically plug in any fullsize desktop GPU you want, down to a a less expensive, laptop grade or whatever.
So thats basically a laptop + eGPU setup, and would allow you to, within the main system, upgrade RAM and storage mem as you please, and that should, theoretically, be able to fit into the Steam Machine case, or something very close to it.
Then you just have a second box next to it with a second power supply, that seats some kind of GPU, and connects via thunder bolt or oculink, which can do data transfer at speeds/bandwidths that you’d normally only see within/on the motherboard itself.
I’m certainly lining up for the steam controller to see how it feels.
GabeCube
You know what’s fucking funny? I went to search for that on Tumblr and found this fucking post from ELEVEN YEARS AGO.
Bro was not given the dodgeball of prophecy nicely, he got straight up sniped in the dome by Apollo with a 90 MPH shot LMAO
This absolutely must be a skin for the fucking thing. If they want to be baller they can include a handle that sticks on too.
I bet there are magnets to allow that.
Intriguing. Eager to see the price of the Steam Machine.
Some are estimating around $800, but Steam has commented that affordability is a primary focus.
I feel like they’ve got to beat console prices. I’m hoping we see prices similar to steam deck at launch complete with varying tiers.
Gamers Nexus reported cost will be in line with budget PCs and not competing with console pricing
If it hooks up to the tv and has controllers, it is 100% going to compete.
They didn’t say that it wouldn’t compete. They said that it wouldn’t compete on price.
Very possible. I’d pay a premium to bring over my steam library rather than getting a console and starting over tbh.
My guess would be that around $800 sounds roughly right… if you try to approximate a small form factor pc with… roughly those specs?
You’d kinda end up around there, but… the architecture is so nonstandard, its hard to say.
You gotta think of it as an SFF PC not a console.
Because its closer to an SFF PC than it is to a console.
Right like, this thing is also a PC, its a laptop or w/e if you plug a mouse and keyboard into it.
I run desktop mode on my Deck all the time, use it as a laptop/tablet of sorts.
As far as tiers go, GN has said there are plans for a 512 GB and 2TB variant, so, there’s at least two tiers… I would not expect like, more or less GDDR5/6 RAM variants though, the whole thing is built too much around the exact power draw and thermal load.
But on the other hand, Valve have economies of scale, so they can build this thing cheaper than a normal person can build a PC. Plus, they don’t need to make a huge profit on this stuff. The purpose of the hardware is to sell games. At least that’s what I’ll keep telling myself until we find out more.
But on the other other hand, tariffs, and RAM just doubled in cost in like the last month, because… well this time its not bitcoin miners buying all the GPUs, its… the entire AI industry is a multi trillion dollar scam.
Hilariously, one way to read this announcement is that Valve expects the AI bubble to blow up by ‘early next year’, thus lowering RAM costs, ahahaha!
Holy shit, Valve is clowning on MSFT so fucking hard right now.
Especially with microsoft seemingly giving up on (gaming) hardware
There’s no display, no battery, no controller included, no OS fees… I think it could be cheaper than $800.
Because it’s all custom hardware we don’t really have a great basis for comparison. I’m going to guess that the cheapest variant will be something like $650. Doubt more than $700 though.
Agree it has be price competitive with consoles. Though I wonder if making a docked Deck be on equal footing with the Machine would have been a better use of R&D. Maybe simply improving having the dock house an eGPU and bumping the Deck specs.
The deck is a bit underpowered for 4k. Most TVs are 4k these days, so the machine needs to be good at that.
Right, that’s what I’m saying. Make a v2 Deck with upgraded CPU/memory, and put the GPU in the dock so it can do 4k on a big screen. I’m sure “Deck v2 is 4x more powerful than v1 and you can dock it for 4k @ 60fps on the big screen” would be just as good a marketing line as “Machine is 6x more powerful than a Deck”.
I don’t think it has an Occulink port.
So… yeah you can maybe try to eGPU it a bit through USB 3.2 Gen 2?
Maybe?
I don’t know that would make much sense though.
Or!
Maybe we do the FrankenDeck thing, take the SSD out, adapt that as an Occulink, run all the storage memory off of MicroSD cards, LOL.
I mean like a v2 Steam Deck and Dock. Give the Deck a bump in CPU/RAM/storage specs and new external ports to facilitate having the GPU in the dock. It could technically even be an externalized PCIe connector instead of Thunderbolt/USB. In handheld mode you get the iCPU limited to 1080, but dock it on the big screen and now you get full 4k @ 60 FPS. Add an HDMI port so you do 1080 on a big screen without a dock.
At this point, you would think that if they wanted to go with an Occulink/Thunderbolt thing… they’d make it in the Steam Machine, the thing that doesn’t move around as much.
They… the Valve video says the Steam Machine is 6 times as powerful as a Steam Deck.
… I have no idea what that actually means, maybe its TFLOPs, who knows, but uh, yeah, if you’re making a 6x thing thats more stationary, I would think that would be the thing you’d make with an option or variant to just jam more compute into it via modularity.
I dunno. It seems like more news about the Deck 2 or whatever is coming, at some point, Valve’s whole actual video is basically making fun of how its not talking about the Deck… stay tuned, goth gamer nation…???
Either way, we always have this:
Oh god are there going to be some very very salty Nintendo fans, very soon.
I hadn’t heard of OCuLink before, apparently it’s an external PCIe connector! Eh, that would seem like a waste of engineering team to build that into a stationary desktop PC. They can just build the PC case to whatever size is needed to house the GPU and related cooling, which they did. This is the second desktop PC they’ve released, no? They had one like 10 years ago that was a commercial failure? My impression as a console gamer is that the Deck is very successful and popular, but it’s under-powered for playing on a big screen.
Right, my point was just bumping the chipset/CPU/memory would give a nice marketing tagline like that without designing a whole new desktop PC. Obviously, you can’t put a giant modern CPU and heat sinks and fans in a handheld. So spend that engineering R&D money on giving the dock a GPU so now the Deck performs as well as the Machine would have, and you have it using a successful branding rather than reviving a brand that already failed once.
Hope so.
With those specs there’s no way it’s going to beat console prices. The CPU alone is ~$200 retail.
Valve isn’t paying retail.
They’re still going to be making a profit off of it. I’d be shocked if it’s below $600.
The profit comes from the games they sell.
Me too. I’m not really into VR but I definitely want the GabeCube.
I have a PSVR2 and I don’t consider the capability of VR to be its failure. I have to assume it’s just that much harder and more expensive to develop for VR. Like the FPS genre is hugely successful, and that’s such a natural fit for VR.
I think it’s just an accessibility thing. VR is expensive, and it takes people pushing through some disorientation/nausea to really enjoy it. Many will simply feel sick the first few times they try it, decide it’s not for them and leave it.
You really shouldn’t push through the nausea. That’s how it gets worse.
If you start feeling sick. Put it down.
But yes. And that’s why the games are still such a limited selection compared to flat screen.
No long campaigns in VR.
Yeah I mean push through as in they don’t keep trying
Just place a fan on the floor in front of you. Bam! No nausea. Because now your body instinctively knows your position and orientation in the space you’re in.
It’s such a simple thing but it really works!
As someone who experienced nausea. I’ve tried all kinds of tricks. They all help, just like Dramamine or those bands with the beads that 1/10 pain.
It took quite a while to get over the nausea. A lot of starting and stopping with slightly longer sessions each time.
I fully expect that most people would not be willing to do that but I received the system as a gift and I really liked it. I wish they had more longer games. I’m so tired of the games that are 30s of concept and then do it over-and-over.
My thoughts exactly. I’m a console gamer. So a straightforward all-in-one box is great.
… and this also just is a linux computer.
Just go into desktop mode, plug in a mouse and keyboard, your TV is your monitor.
So, that means it can be a light duty office work type PC, webbrowsing PC, home media center, etc.
Just maybe plug an external hardrive into it, or get some SD cards with a TB of storage, for music and movies.
Oh and of course, it can emulate basically everything that doesn’t already exist as a PC game, via something like EmuDeck or RetroDeck.
slaps This bad dude can fit so many use cases on it.
GLaDoS may or may not flood your home with neurotoxin if you try this, but uh, you could run a local LLM on it, and thus just have your own AI catgirlfriend or maybe lightweight coding assistant w/e.
I’ve futzed about with OpenLlama on a Bazzite Deck, there aren’t too many models lightweight enough to run, but some of them work!
… Yeah don’t let GLadOs know about that.
Definetly not.
You might say that will be a red letter day.
As long as they don’t F up the price of the Steam Machine, then this would be wonderful for both the gaming and Linux communities.
In before SSD, HD, RAM, GPU price hikes from AI bullshit kill the pricing strategies.
Don’t forget the steep tariffs!
So we got the Gabecube? That’s funny.
All hail to the GabeCube!
I suppose it’s not the first time Valve has counted to 3; in terms of releasing 3 projects. They released the Orange Box which had 3 games in it. But they never put out a 3rd iteration of things.
So expect this to be the last Steam Controller and Steam Machine, if we count the old 3p hardware Linux boxes and Index headset they helped with.
Are you talking about the Steam Link?
Now we just need a power modification so that all of these devices run on actual steam, and controlled by valves.
The Machine, the desktop/living room console… It has a 300W PSU. GN has the Valve designer saying its generally just a tad over 200W of draw.
So uh… that’s practically nothing, you could probably actually power that out of a homebuilt steam turbine + power station (like for solar panels, home backup power unit type thing).
For reference, an Nvidia 5090 needs 575W… just by itself.
An AMD 9070, non XT, on its own, uses 220W, approximately what the entire Steam Machines uses.
The Steam Machine does not even have a 3 prong connector.
Its just two, like a power brick for a console.
So we have SolarPunk gaming now, I guess?
Already did with steamdeck to be fair
But now it has Six Times The Detail!
lololol
That shouldn’t be too hard.
Anyone in the market for a kidney or two?
Not myself no, but, you may have some luck with Space Warlord Organ Trading Simulator, which is available at… well, you know where.
I thought the link would lead me to the Rimworld page.
Fair guess, haha!
Nope, turns out, thats a whole game in and of itself.
Also, while vanilla Kenshi doesn’t really do specific organs… you can always just peel somebody, swap some limbs around, or just toss a torso down a hole, I guess…
Okay what the hell is up with the Frame?
It says it is a stand alone headset and doesn’t need a PC… Right before it goes on to say it’s meant to be used with a PC but wirelessly. Is it stand alone or not? If I have Beat Saber in my library, do I have to stream it from an actual dedicated PC or can it run straight off the headset like I can with a Quest?
Its both, based on their article. Its an ARM chip they have a translation layer called FEX to handle, so it should be able to play most any steam game. Native vulkan games will apparently run even better because it can skip some of the emulation and just hit the vulkan API directly for rendering. It has onboard storage, so it can be used standalone.
In standalone mode, the intergrated chip will use about 20w, so you will get about 1 hour of playtime on it because of the 20wh battery. In streaming mode, the graphics will be better, and the power use cuts to about 6w, so it can go 3-4 hours. It has an integrated usb port, so you can easily plug in a bog standard battery bank and put it in your pocket for longer play times.
Just want to add an hour in VR is a LOT longer than 1 hour of flat screen gaming. If you haven’t used VR then they aren’t as comparable as you think.
You’re usually on your feet, holding your arms up high, waving them around ,likely squatting - a lot and you’ve got a screen blaring into your eyes with constant high intensity stimulation.
Most people won’t do 1 hour sessions on the regular, forget a 3-4 hour session without being put down to charge for while you take a break.
I’ve done a 3-hour session playing Beat Saber multiplayer with a friend. It was the most intense workout I’ve ever experienced.
The only break was in the middle to refill my enormous water bottle and to clean up the huge pool of sweat on the floor that was getting gross (I was wearing socks, LOL).
My arms hurt for like three days straight after that. I still played every night though 😁👍
Oh man you gotta try Pistol Whip if you have not . I had a 2 hour session and I felt like I could not get up the next day. Knees weak, arms heavy, >!mom’s spaghetti !<
It can do both.
I am at least getting two controllers but the steam frame and the steam machine looks super cool too!
…
(X) doubt
It… is new though.
I had one of the older original ones from a decade back, this one is significantly different, totally different form factor, amongst other details and changes.
Old Steam Controller:
New Steam Controller:
EDIT:
Huh!
So can lemmy.
😂
all I’m sayin’ is it’s kinda silly to call the Steam Controller a new product like the other two
Btw, the Steam Machine also had an earlier iteration.
I think you are confusing the concept of ‘new’ and ‘wholly original’/‘totally unique’.
A 2025 Toyota Corrola is a new Toyota Corrola.
Its got updates, changes, differences, from the 2024 model, or the 2012 model.
… It’s still new, though, just because the 1996 Toyota Corolla existed, that doesn’t mean the 2025 Toyota Corolla is not… the new Toyota Corolla.
It just isn’t a wholly original design or product, like when the first Prius came out, or whatever.