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Can we crowdfund a big lawsuit against those responsible for this?

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Does it have to be a lawsuit? Can it be a big guillotine instead?

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Or use cryptocurrency more

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Against banks? I love the enthusiasm but this is not the way. Banks as a whole have many of the best lawyers in the game on retainer (possession is 9/10ths of the law, and this industry banks on that and make bank.) The best crowdfunding campaign in history* is 800 million. The banks would be willing to spend at least that in their own defence.

*not including investments (nor blockchain)

Plus, a progressive lawsuit in this environment? Might backfire spectacularly - right now banks are cautiously picking on ‘safe’ targets. But with a green light from the supreme court the banks could go full Nazi. Yeah - there’s nothing good I can reasonably expect here.

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This is literally 9/11 for so many itch io games 😂

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Why are they doing a comprehensive audit on the content and not doing a comprehensive audit on new payment providers? I sure would be

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Because they would basically die off without the credit card processors, I assume.

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Yeah so they should shop around now that theirs seems to be problematic

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What I meant is that simply excluding Mastercard and Visa would turn away tons of sales and donations, even if they worked with every other payment processor on the planet at once.

They… could. But it would hurt, maybe even kill Itch.

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Yall will hate me for it, but porn games should have never been on the main launcher. That’s just asking for trouble. Steam should have a secondary launcher that is just for the adult games, and keep the two seperate. This shit wouldn’t be happening if these games hadn’t been so accessible to people not looking for that in the first place.

Also lets be honest, some of the shit is over the line. There shouldn’t be multiple “Sex with Hitler” games, because as ridiculous as that sounds, normalizing Nazis and Hitler is a fucking virus that does so much fucking harm when spread. Its not just a “silly joke”.

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You might have a point on problematic content for the same reason that satire is difficult to pull off, but the entire category of “porn” is WAY too broad of a line to draw, and neither should be otsracized completely simply for existing.

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Adult content is opt-in and age verified on steam.

Making an “adult content” launcher would just give more targeted scrutiny. It’s like saying, “here’s the target for you Puritans to attack the whole company over!”

The only way I can think that kind of obfuscation could work would be to have the adult content launcher run through a secondary company under license to use steam software. But then, there’s still the pay processing issue, and that license could violate the processor ToS anyways.

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Miserable fuckers, the whole lot of puritans…

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I get not liking a game about SA and incest, but how about just not play that game?

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Reminder they do nohing about all thise fujoshi comics which has rape & incest. They like cuties too. So the goal was destroying men"s outlet for sexual pleasure.

Notice they didn’t go after onlyfans

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“They” here is CollectiveShout & they (as in Payment Processors) reversed the ban quickly (Because it affected women). Well Not in this case, this group also campaigned to deny SnoopDogg & Eminem Visas.

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I thought it was obvious you meant Collective Shout.

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My biggest issue with this situation is: if they can get away with getting games they don’t like being delisted, where does it end? Delisting books with themes or authors they don’t like? Banning the sale of alcohol and cigarettes?

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Honestly haven’t thought so far. But Media lacks that, as almost everything is clickbait.

And you got a point. There is questionable stuff. But killing off a whole area is like a bit shot on a small bird

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Tankard_Reist?wprov=sfla1

Collective Shout. Thanks to itch.io for naming them. TIL

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My favourite fact is she thinks decriminalising sex work will lead to more sex trafficing.

Such wisdom and vision, we should let these people have power over payment processors

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Stuff like this is the strongest argument for a decentralized payment option. Hopefully some day crypto will not be so much a tool of monetary speculation and we can use it for that without having to have the same experience as the guy who bought a pizza with Bitcoin.

That’s what I always wanted “DeFi” to be, a systematic replacement for the legions of evil old banks who have happily collaborated with the worst institutions of the last several centuries.

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Wow, good to learn about the conservative christian, anti-abortion, “radical feminist”.

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Here’s a different comment to avoid the other stupid one. Feminist support equal rights and freedom.

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Well They ARE feminists.

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👍

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It’s damn clear that you’re gullible. So when the mask innevitably slips that feminists were always right-wing fascists, you scapegoat someone else.

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Wow wow, hang on, I think I misunderstood your comment.

I agree with you. Fuck feminists. Someone just posted a picture calling for the death of all men due to catcalling and it was getting upvoted.

FUCK THAT.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49718552

This bullshit needs to stop.

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Are you trolling me ?

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The post I sent is real, isn’t it? I despise misandrists.

I even removed my original reply to you because I misinterpreted your comment.

I would appreciate if you edited yours too. I get it. I agree.

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Damn, Rupert Murdoch and now this asshole. Australia has a monopoly on ruining media, lol.

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You can thank Advance Australia for that. Huge think tank that likely bank rolls all this nonsense and more.

Also, down with Collective Shout! As someone who suffered child abuse, I condemn these cookers crusading under the guise of child protection. FFS, they were patting themselves on the back for stopping sales of plastic heads on Temu.

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If it’s any consolation, I’m sure the American versions (Focus on the family, alliance defending freedom) are right there with them.

Props to them for figuring out a real way of imposing colonialism on impoverished countries and former colonies alike. Now their ideas and laws are spreading worldwide, like someone with diseases shitting into the local water supply. Ugh.

I have a terrible feeling that the people they duped won’t figure this out for 30 years or more, with some trappings lasting for 50+ years.

Reist reviewed the controversial Netflix film Cuties (2020) for both her ABC Religion & Ethics column[20] and for the Christian newspaper Eternity.[21] She described the film as “a social critique on what happens when we allow misogynistic, violent, exhibitionist internet culture to ravage girls – training them to wield their immature bodies as currency.”[21] Reist related the film to the activism of Collective Shout: “In the past 10 years at Collective Shout, we have met many girls this age, who have felt the same pressures. Some have taken inappropriate pics and shared them, sexualising themselves either out of a sense of obligation, or because they have believed the lie that self-objectification is empowering or liberating.”[21] However, regarding certain scenes in the film, she wrote that “the complexity here is that in trying to make a serious ethical point about girls and sexuality, the girls may have been used unwittingly — but still inappropriately — to a noble end. The scene could have been filmed differently[.]”[20]

Yeah. As a society we seriously need to get on the same page about morality, but for my money it can’t come from a religious group tinkering with the beating heart of commerce. They may have points to make but it’s fruit of the poisoned tree.

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Transaction companies should not play police, in my opinion

In fact no company should play being police

This is why we have the digital market act

How are transaction offering companies not included there? Who gives them the right to choose what people consume?

Way do much centralised power

Basically a dictatorship

Fuck that

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This will never go away. Payment processors make life easy for most consumers, people like them. And as long as we have them, they hold all the power around how money can be used. And they will always be limited by governments and local laws.

If you don’t like the situation, use cash. If that’s too inconvenient Bitcoin is essentially your only other option.

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They have the power because states gave it to them. States can very easily take it back. But they won’t because they’re corrupted assholes.

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Not even… They have the power because you gave it to them. States can take it away, but that’s worse, you don’t want that.

But it doesn’t really matter, it’s all connected. The payment processors control how money can be used and the state controls how they’re allowed to let you use it. And you let it all happen by voluntarily using a credit card.

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How do you pay for a steam game without a credit card?

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Bitcoin, or maybe better the millions other way more efficient alternatives 😜

Edit: “or better” instead of “and”, as I wanted to say that nearly any other crypto coin is more efficient than bitcoin. 😁

Or i wanted to say, if you offer bitcoin payment , please offer alternative crypto coins as well…

Not so sure anymore xD

At least the main thing I wanted to say, is that bitcoin is very inefficient.

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I mean, they have no problems offering transaction services to obvious scams like “find sex in your region” and other scammy find relationship websites.

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Holy fuck why did Collective Shout go full nuclear and go behind the platforms’ back and straight to the payment processors. Like they could have at least talk to the Itch.io people.

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If they wanted any games banned all they had to do was talk to the Office of Film and Literature Classification (OFLC) in Australia, where they’re based. Any of the games listed would have likely been added to the ‘Refused Classification’ list and thereby banned from sale and import in Australia. If they wanted them pulled from Steam or Itch entirely they could have talked to those platforms.

But they didn’t want to raise objections through appropriate preexisting channels, they wanted to push their Christian-based ideology on the whole world by going Karen on the social media of all the payment processors.

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lol they’re Australian? Jfc

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Collective shout finacials
year: 2024
revenue: 458043
employee_expenses: 107000
other_expenses: 215488
net_surplus: 135555
employees: 
  total_fte: 2
  full_time: 0
  part_time: 1
  casual: 4
volunteers: 15
donations_and_bequests: 389800
government_grants: 0
commercial_income: 0
expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%"
average_expense_per_employee: 39400

Leadership
- name: Melinda Tankard Reist
  role: Founder, Movement Director
  public_socials:
    - Twitter: @MelTankardReist
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Caitlin Roper
  role: Campaigns Manager
  public_socials:
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Renee Chopping
  role: Campaigns Strategy
  public_socials:
    - LinkedIn
  public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy
  role: Campaigns Strategy
  public_socials:
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Coralie Alison
  role: Movement Operations Manager
  public_socials:
    - Twitter: @CoralieAlison
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed
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This is exactly like the pearl-clutching we had back in the 1980’s around D&D and music lyrics. At least we moved the goalpost from satanic panic and thinly-veiled racism, over to “art that features sexual expression I don’t understand.”

If history is any indicator, their actions are only going to increase awareness of this kind of stuff.

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This probably has a lot to do with Texas’ new ID requirement law. These companies don’t want to have to collect IDs and be responsible for maintaining that database of PII.

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Payment offering companies don’t have to this, this would be the job of itch.io to comply

But this is not necessary, as VPNs exist.

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not really. Collective Shout is a powerful collective that targets violence, adult content and i think also gaming in general even in contexts that make sense,
out of their sense what is right and wrong (which I and a lot of others dont agree with)

Edit: better readability

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Are we still doing phrasing also thank god they’re not coming for the ultra violence and graphic scenes of bodily dismemberment

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I worked a little bit for a company that worked with payment processor networks. This is my understanding (and don’t view this as a defense of them, I don’t necessarily think they’re good). There are a ton of banks. Every bank having their own POS machines would be difficult. Imagine going to one that doesn’t support your bank. So payment processors sort of provide that bridge so devices only need to know how to talk to one (or a handful) of networks and the same for the banks.

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Payment processors: “I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers banks don’t have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?”

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Maybe there needs to be more competition in the payment processing space.

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We can’t have competition, that’s bad for business.

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And so the point arises, what do these companies provide that standardization doesn’t?

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The excessive fees.

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There is this (slow moving, far off) EU project that hopes to bring a new standard. It doesn’t read like they’ve got a complete solution at all, but the principles are comforting at least!

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/digital_euro/html/index.en.html

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There are standards already for the format of some of the messages. These options being subpar is how we got things like PayPal originally, so who knows.

Because the laws are bs and intentionally make it harder while not being difficult to scale.

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One of the great mysteries of the 21st century is how a tiny number of US companies control most of the world’s payment processing, when it’s not a technically difficult problem.

You could implement an entire end-to-end payment processing system in a year with a team of a few dozen competent engineers. The only difficulty is getting banks and retailers to sign up to it, but when the big players charge so much and create so much trouble this doesn’t seem like it should be a tough sell. In most cases literally all you’d need to do is charge 2.4% instead of their 3%.

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