It’s ironic that they attach third-party software to prevent piracy out of fear of losing sales, but in the end, it actually causes them to sell fewer copies. lol
Denuvo is the only reason I’m waiting. I’m on Linux, and I’m not risking that Proton change license issue. And also I hate the performance hit that Denuvo causes.
Denuvo will revoke your licence to play a game if it thinks you’ve installed the game on computers with different hardware. Issue is it gets confused by changing the proton version that runs the game, thinking it’s a new install on a new computer, and so quickly bans you from playing the game.
I mean… I don’t play Doom due to DRM but also to be fair Expedition 33, which I’m enjoying quite a lot on Linux, is “just” 40ish hours whereas Doom is (check notes) less than 20hrs to complete? WTH. Nope.
Steam, the cheapest I see it as is 79,99€ where I am, which is actually US$90. I just assumed the US store did a straight numeral conversion to dollars, but you’re getting a discount too, it seems.
I am interested, but not that much to pay more than 20€ in a sale in a few years. It was the same with Doom Eternal. And I haven’t bought it to this day 😅
Seeing how they screwed over Mick Gordon, the composer for the previous two installments, I’ll vote with my wallet and skip this one. My backlog is big enough as it is anyway.
Doom Eternal? The game with a soundtrack that was made up of butchered parts of Gordon’s work, welded together by a novice, at the command of an egotistical dickhead who slandered Gordon after the fact?
Just for the record, the in game OST was properly done by MG and was great. It was the Official OST album that was taking bits from that OST to make full songs that were very sub-par. The music MG was making is very dynamic in game, and each level had multiple musical phrases that start and stop dynamically during gameplay (this isn’t unique to doom of course, lots of games do this.) in game the music is some of his best work imo, and really brings the gameplay to another level.
Some people have released better mixes of the songs taken and edited from those music clips in the game files to make better mixes than the Official OST album.
Someone is probably explaining the math to some suits how these are still good numbers because they now charge 80 dollars.
In a podcast someone said that the 120 whatever dollar version that lets you play 3 days earlier was so dogshit bad that they had to yank out the power cable out of the wall because it crashed so hard. It’s hard to feel bad for these paid beta testers tho
Not just because some people don’t have it either, but for anything with RTX2000/3000 and RDNA2, Forced RT is just forced low framerate.
I hope making everyone dynamically draw the lights and shadows in realtime for a linear game was worth the 15c it saved on Microsoft’s electricity bill for not pre-baking overnight.
Marty Stratton and his denuvo riddled pos game can kindly get fukt after what he did to Mick Gordon, the composer of the banger soundtrack for Doom 2016.
Holy fucking shit! I live under the rock in the middle of nowhere so I’ve heard only some brief parts of “something wrong with DOOM Eternal music” but nothing factual. Now I gave the time to read the whole article and I’m speechless. 'Cause this is bad, really, really, REALLY bad. I feel sorry for people that have to work and live under such assholes like Marty obviously is…
meant to mislead potential players into thinking the game is successful when, in fact, it’s severely underperforming behind the scenes.
Why would a player in a single-player game give a tiny shit about how popular it is? It’s the investor class that cares about that; stop treating their interests as a natural good.
That term is decades old, it’s fine if you haven’t heard it before but maybe consider that possibility before replying like that and looking like an asshole.
It’s old lunacy. Believe it or not we live in a class based society where the vast majority of the people that actually provide value to society have their labor stolen by leeches that make money by having money and that is what that person means by the investor class.
You have like a weeks worth of recent comments, and 90% of them you are downvoted to oblivion, just no matter what comm you are, what you are talking about, its just you being insufferable and/or contrarian and/or confidently wrong.
Then further back than that, 2, 3 months, you have some actually informative and useful comments, funny commentary most people liked, and that just keeps going.
Did you account get hacked? Did you suffer a TBI. Get fired, partner broke up with you?
Like I really am not trying to be a dick here, you good man/gal?
You come back after about 2 months of absence and you are now seemingly intentionally just trying to be shitty basically all the time.
After Eternal, I’m not interested in this one. 2016 was fantastic, but Eternal felt all over the place. It tried to tell a story but skipped the entire second “book” between the two games, making it feel unfinished trilogy.
Then there’s the difficulty, easy was too easy, and normal was too hard. I shouldn’t have to choose between surviving 10+ hits (easy) or dying in 3-4 (normal). That’s not balance. And I don’t have the time to ‘git gud’ when the difficulty jump is this extreme.
Considering they already had to tweak difficulty in The Dark Ages, it looks like they’re still struggling to get the scaling right
Honestly, Doom Eternal really soured me on the franchise. I loved the original Doom games, loved 3 and played the absolute shit out of Doom 2016.
Then Eternal turned into a fucking frustration fest with all its platforming. I still haven’t finished it. Now the new one reinvents Doom yet again. And there’s somehow dragons?
Man, I’m fucking done. Give me more of that 2016 Doom or don’t bother.
I’m on the same page as you re: Eternal. The first hour out so was fun, and the graphics are neat, but it stops feeling like a Doom game pretty quickly. It doesn’t even feel like a Quake game, which would at least be tolerable.
Will probably give this one a shot eventually when it’s on discount, but not in a hurry.
God I miss Quake. That was such a great series. Can you imagine what they could do with that on modern tech? I’d love to see a quake reboot a la 2016 Doom. That would be fucking awesome.
I agree. Unless they got very lucky I think the only way they could do Quake 5/2030/whatever is if they gave it the indie treatment, which as vassals of a giant publisher they are unable to do with an important IP.
Good news then because Dark Ages is extremely different than Eternal and a lot of people who didn’t like that game but loved 2016 are happy with it. I’m not saying rush out and spend $70 on it, but give it a go when it’s on sale down the line and you might end up really pleased with it.
I also liked Doom 2016 and it worked well on Linux. I’m sad to hear that the later ones weren’t as good.
Do you know of any games similar to Doom 2016 that you’d recommend? I liked how it didn’t waste time trying to tell a story, usually I’d watch a movie or read a book if I want a good story. Doom had enjoyable steady action and I felt like I could enjoy it for half an hour at a time without needing much time to get into it.
I honestly don’t mind some story in games. Heck, I’ve got hundreds of hours in Skyrim and other RPG’s. Doom to me is run & gun. Doom 2016 had the perfect amount of story for a Doom game.
Honestly, I don’t think there’s anything else quite like it. If there is, I don’t know it. Most other shooters are either COD, SciFi, retro FPS or stuff like Borderlands that leans into comedy.
If this was ‘back in the day’, closest recommendation to it would likely be something like the Quake series. That’s id’s own successor to the original Doom. Sadly also long dead.
I don‘t buy any digital copy of a game for over 45 bucks, doesn‘t matter what it is… I also haven‘t finished DOOM 2016 yet and haven‘t even started Eternal. Not because they‘re bad games or because I don‘t like FPSs, but because I have so much shit to play and so little time.
Competition is fierce and asking 80 bucks when I got the predecessors for less than 5 each is just not happening. Just because games cost more to produce doesn‘t magically make customers have more money and time. It‘ll make release weeks stinkers outside of your GOTYs and makes more people wait or go back to 20+ years worth of other games that aren‘t 80 bucks.
$20 is the limit for me. I’m perfectly fine waiting a few years to play the game, if it still exists by that point. If it doesn’t, then I’m glad I didn’t waste my time.
And another plus is that you get to play the games as bug free as they‘ll get AND at higher framerates assuming your hardware improved in the meantime. I certainly wouldn‘t have been able to get the high fidelity DOOM 2016 experience I can get now (at a high framerate) way back when it released.
Downside is that if there‘s any multiplayer component to a game, it‘s probably pretty damn dead years later. But first, I personally don‘t care much about that anymore and second, games bleed the majority of their playerbase within months anyway so it‘s whatever.
So much I don’t know here. Like what an 80.lv is, what their source Alinea Analytics is or what either of their credibility is, why a second source (Ampere) arrived at a PS5 number that deviated from Alinea’s by over 100%, why this didn’t make 80.lv question the veracity of the claim they opted to put in their headline, what sales even mean in the context of Game Pass, why I would care about the potential profitability of a game I don’t care about, why I clicked this post, am writing this comment, or why Microsoft opts to be complicit in Israel’s genocide.
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In the UK its £70 ($95) for the base game and £100 ($135) for the full game. Bethesda go fuck yourself.
Edit: Title is somewhat dishonest, it has over 3M players. Just that most are on gamepass. Still not buying it though.
Well it has Denuvo… I wasn’t buying that shit
It’s ironic that they attach third-party software to prevent piracy out of fear of losing sales, but in the end, it actually causes them to sell fewer copies. lol
The DRM kept me from buying it
Oh & denuvo
Mostly this. I’m not paying for something that comes with malware. Not for $80, $20, or $1. Nobody should pay for malware.
Yup. I would have bought Persona 5 Royale and SMT V on day one, if there was no Denuvo. I normally don’t open my wallet for $60 games.
Super Robot Wars Y? Not on my radar anymore. Denuvo has cost the companies at least $300+, and I am not a rich dude.
I might create a VM to play it for $1 tbf. But yeah I think I’m drawing the line at $5 for anything with denuvo
Denuvo is the only reason I’m waiting. I’m on Linux, and I’m not risking that Proton change license issue. And also I hate the performance hit that Denuvo causes.
Proton ? What’s up with that ?
Denuvo will revoke your licence to play a game if it thinks you’ve installed the game on computers with different hardware. Issue is it gets confused by changing the proton version that runs the game, thinking it’s a new install on a new computer, and so quickly bans you from playing the game.
Oh now I get the picture, jesus it’s that bad huh
That, unfortunately https://www.404media.co/doom-the-dark-ages-drm-is-locking-out-linux-users-who-bought-the-game/ namely that each new Proton “install” e.g. switching version because there is a bug counts as a new install which are limited.
For the bigger picture https://www.defectivebydesign.org/
I just wished GOG put more effort, because their Anti-DRM stance is cool AF. I recently bought The Earth-2150 trilogy from GOG
I mean… I don’t play Doom due to DRM but also to be fair Expedition 33, which I’m enjoying quite a lot on Linux, is “just” 40ish hours whereas Doom is (check notes) less than 20hrs to complete? WTH. Nope.
20 and 40 hours both sound pretty terrible for such expensive games. Got far more out of games like Factorio and for a lot less.
I’d rather have a 20 hour game that is engaging the entire time than a game that has a ton of filler in it.
Factorio is engaging the entire time. Not a massive fan on story games because that severely limits the playtime you get from the game.
Yep, different style of games. I need to give Factorio another shot, it seems really up my alley but I couldn’t get into it.
Where is it $80?
Steam, the cheapest I see it as is 79,99€ where I am, which is actually US$90. I just assumed the US store did a straight numeral conversion to dollars, but you’re getting a discount too, it seems.
Not in Australia, it’s $120 here.
Todd, Marty, Phil and Satya can suck an egg together.
80€ in Steam Spain.
79,99€ in Germany
I am interested, but not that much to pay more than 20€ in a sale in a few years. It was the same with Doom Eternal. And I haven’t bought it to this day 😅
Maybe it will never be bought 🤷🏻♂️
Also… I think you missed this one… It’s $80.
Also, it reviewed well but with some annoying caveats.
It’s $70
Depends on your location in the world. Which shows just how arbitrary the price actually is.
Because of the tariffs that only apply to the US, see, they have to charge more for digital goods in other countries because reasons.
Gonna wait for a code and a sale in a year
Seeing how they screwed over Mick Gordon, the composer for the previous two installments, I’ll vote with my wallet and skip this one. My backlog is big enough as it is anyway.
Same
Doom Eternal is a beautiful album that includes a lovely mini-game.
Edit: a lot of “wooshing” in the replies, but I blame it on myself.
Doom Eternal? The game with a soundtrack that was made up of butchered parts of Gordon’s work, welded together by a novice, at the command of an egotistical dickhead who slandered Gordon after the fact?
https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-doom-eternal-5f98266b27ce
Eternals original OST was very poor compared to Doom 2016. Big reason I never bothered with the game.
Just for the record, the in game OST was properly done by MG and was great. It was the Official OST album that was taking bits from that OST to make full songs that were very sub-par. The music MG was making is very dynamic in game, and each level had multiple musical phrases that start and stop dynamically during gameplay (this isn’t unique to doom of course, lots of games do this.) in game the music is some of his best work imo, and really brings the gameplay to another level.
Some people have released better mixes of the songs taken and edited from those music clips in the game files to make better mixes than the Official OST album.
I just barely convinced myself to spend €80 on a single game, then noticed Denuvo. Hard pass
Someone is probably explaining the math to some suits how these are still good numbers because they now charge 80 dollars. In a podcast someone said that the 120 whatever dollar version that lets you play 3 days earlier was so dogshit bad that they had to yank out the power cable out of the wall because it crashed so hard. It’s hard to feel bad for these paid beta testers tho
Let’s see
I’m shocked that it’s not selling, absolutely shocked.
And also, for some of us:
TRUE, I knew I was forgetting something else
BDS boycott? Can you explain this? I’m not sure what BDS is or what the boycott is lol
Microsoft (and by extension id and Bethesda) are a priority target for the BDS boycotts against Israel
All set thanks
Google says BDS stands for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (against Isreal.)
Ahhh thank you makes sense. I was searching my brain for controversies with Bethesda/Id.
Since the company boyscotts BDS. I guess it means the company is pro Isreal.
It’s $70 though?
80€ in Steam Spain.
$90CAD
Was thinking of BL4. Still pretty egregious though
Forcing raytracing is a great way to close off a bunch of customers.
Not just because some people don’t have it either, but for anything with RTX2000/3000 and RDNA2, Forced RT is just forced low framerate.
I hope making everyone dynamically draw the lights and shadows in realtime for a linear game was worth the 15c it saved on Microsoft’s electricity bill for not pre-baking overnight.
Yep, that and it looks like the base Doom formula has been watered down a lot from the gameplay I’ve seen.
The release of new games sometimes makes me play older titles, going through Doom 2 with some tasty mods atm.
Marty Stratton and his denuvo riddled pos game can kindly get fukt after what he did to Mick Gordon, the composer of the banger soundtrack for Doom 2016.
https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-doom-eternal-5f98266b27ce
Holy fucking shit! I live under the rock in the middle of nowhere so I’ve heard only some brief parts of “something wrong with DOOM Eternal music” but nothing factual. Now I gave the time to read the whole article and I’m speechless. 'Cause this is bad, really, really, REALLY bad. I feel sorry for people that have to work and live under such assholes like Marty obviously is…
Yea, I read that a few weeks ago and it convinced to not touch Doom TDA. I mean, maybe pirate it, but certainly not buy it.
Why would a player in a single-player game give a tiny shit about how popular it is? It’s the investor class that cares about that; stop treating their interests as a natural good.
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That term is decades old, it’s fine if you haven’t heard it before but maybe consider that possibility before replying like that and looking like an asshole.
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Then you are either willfully ignorant or a troll, in either case not worth my time.
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Are you mad at them for using the term or mad at someone else for coining the term? Or mad at everyone for using a term you had never heard before?
It’s old lunacy. Believe it or not we live in a class based society where the vast majority of the people that actually provide value to society have their labor stolen by leeches that make money by having money and that is what that person means by the investor class.
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Oh, I never thought of it like that.
What a great criticism! You’re obliviously someone who has thought long and hard about this topic
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Dude/Dudette…
What… what the fuck is your entire account?
You have like a weeks worth of recent comments, and 90% of them you are downvoted to oblivion, just no matter what comm you are, what you are talking about, its just you being insufferable and/or contrarian and/or confidently wrong.
Then further back than that, 2, 3 months, you have some actually informative and useful comments, funny commentary most people liked, and that just keeps going.
Did you account get hacked? Did you suffer a TBI. Get fired, partner broke up with you?
Like I really am not trying to be a dick here, you good man/gal?
You come back after about 2 months of absence and you are now seemingly intentionally just trying to be shitty basically all the time.
Thanks for taking the time to check, blocked them.
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I guess licking boots gives you a lot of time to think. What’s your favorite flavor of polish?
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This is Lemmy; everything is politics and it’s really fun and mentally healthy
Literally this
Uh oh, someone’s upset their world view is challenged by people pointing out life’s problems!
Sounds healthy…
It’s a bad game
After Eternal, I’m not interested in this one. 2016 was fantastic, but Eternal felt all over the place. It tried to tell a story but skipped the entire second “book” between the two games, making it feel unfinished trilogy.
Then there’s the difficulty, easy was too easy, and normal was too hard. I shouldn’t have to choose between surviving 10+ hits (easy) or dying in 3-4 (normal). That’s not balance. And I don’t have the time to ‘git gud’ when the difficulty jump is this extreme.
Considering they already had to tweak difficulty in The Dark Ages, it looks like they’re still struggling to get the scaling right
In the dark ages you can customise the difficulty to a great degree.
Honestly, Doom Eternal really soured me on the franchise. I loved the original Doom games, loved 3 and played the absolute shit out of Doom 2016.
Then Eternal turned into a fucking frustration fest with all its platforming. I still haven’t finished it. Now the new one reinvents Doom yet again. And there’s somehow dragons?
Man, I’m fucking done. Give me more of that 2016 Doom or don’t bother.
Yeah, I’d buy a DLC for 2016 right now but I doubt I’ll buy Dark Ages, at least not until it’s on sale.
I’m on the same page as you re: Eternal. The first hour out so was fun, and the graphics are neat, but it stops feeling like a Doom game pretty quickly. It doesn’t even feel like a Quake game, which would at least be tolerable.
Will probably give this one a shot eventually when it’s on discount, but not in a hurry.
God I miss Quake. That was such a great series. Can you imagine what they could do with that on modern tech? I’d love to see a quake reboot a la 2016 Doom. That would be fucking awesome.
I recently replayed Quake ii + expansions, too, and it’s also its own joined of fun. Hunting for secrets never got old.
We can dream
Based on everything Ive seen… theyd ruin Quake too
I agree. Unless they got very lucky I think the only way they could do Quake 5/2030/whatever is if they gave it the indie treatment, which as vassals of a giant publisher they are unable to do with an important IP.
Good news then because Dark Ages is extremely different than Eternal and a lot of people who didn’t like that game but loved 2016 are happy with it. I’m not saying rush out and spend $70 on it, but give it a go when it’s on sale down the line and you might end up really pleased with it.
Eternal was too hard for me. Love Dark Ages.
I find TDA too messy compared to 2016 and none of the tight game design of Eternal. It is the worst of both previous games.
I also liked Doom 2016 and it worked well on Linux. I’m sad to hear that the later ones weren’t as good.
Do you know of any games similar to Doom 2016 that you’d recommend? I liked how it didn’t waste time trying to tell a story, usually I’d watch a movie or read a book if I want a good story. Doom had enjoyable steady action and I felt like I could enjoy it for half an hour at a time without needing much time to get into it.
I honestly don’t mind some story in games. Heck, I’ve got hundreds of hours in Skyrim and other RPG’s. Doom to me is run & gun. Doom 2016 had the perfect amount of story for a Doom game.
Honestly, I don’t think there’s anything else quite like it. If there is, I don’t know it. Most other shooters are either COD, SciFi, retro FPS or stuff like Borderlands that leans into comedy.
If this was ‘back in the day’, closest recommendation to it would likely be something like the Quake series. That’s id’s own successor to the original Doom. Sadly also long dead.
I tell ya I se 70 bucks for a game when everything is small and you get no value for your dollar and everything costs more. No thanks.
I don‘t buy any digital copy of a game for over 45 bucks, doesn‘t matter what it is… I also haven‘t finished DOOM 2016 yet and haven‘t even started Eternal. Not because they‘re bad games or because I don‘t like FPSs, but because I have so much shit to play and so little time.
Competition is fierce and asking 80 bucks when I got the predecessors for less than 5 each is just not happening. Just because games cost more to produce doesn‘t magically make customers have more money and time. It‘ll make release weeks stinkers outside of your GOTYs and makes more people wait or go back to 20+ years worth of other games that aren‘t 80 bucks.
$20 is the limit for me. I’m perfectly fine waiting a few years to play the game, if it still exists by that point. If it doesn’t, then I’m glad I didn’t waste my time.
And another plus is that you get to play the games as bug free as they‘ll get AND at higher framerates assuming your hardware improved in the meantime. I certainly wouldn‘t have been able to get the high fidelity DOOM 2016 experience I can get now (at a high framerate) way back when it released.
Downside is that if there‘s any multiplayer component to a game, it‘s probably pretty damn dead years later. But first, I personally don‘t care much about that anymore and second, games bleed the majority of their playerbase within months anyway so it‘s whatever.
Games cost more to produce but there’s more customers than ever
And its certainly not the developers who are getting all that extra money.
Amen.
So much I don’t know here. Like what an 80.lv is, what their source Alinea Analytics is or what either of their credibility is, why a second source (Ampere) arrived at a PS5 number that deviated from Alinea’s by over 100%, why this didn’t make 80.lv question the veracity of the claim they opted to put in their headline, what sales even mean in the context of Game Pass, why I would care about the potential profitability of a game I don’t care about, why I clicked this post, am writing this comment, or why Microsoft opts to be complicit in Israel’s genocide.
They’re a market research agency, and are well-known and credible enough. See: https://80.lv/contact-us
I care about industry news. Hence the post.