i mean switch 1 has all the same games switch 2 does cause all nintendo does is re release the same shit every year like ea sports and all the other aaa slop. Even if they do it with more polish and quality.
As DRM has taught us - there’s always a way around. Make it harder? Well, that just makes it more of a challenge. It will hacked, and bypassed. All this does is make Nintendo look like a bunch of assholes.
That and probably since V1 switches are softmoddable forever.
‘Bricking’ seems to be hyperbole from the author though, I’d wager they’re doing the same online bans as Switch1. However as Game Key carts are going to be a big thing now- with no eShop access those Game Key carts might not work if you don’t have the game downloaded already. (or possibly might not work at all)
That would render the device unusable if you only had Game Key Carts and/or digital purchases, you’d not really be able to use the console at all.
For real though, like I don’t see their monetary gain here. The only thing they’re encouraging is people to just not bother buying the switch in the first place in favor of other projects. I believe if they manage to go through with this and actually enforce these new terms, that were just going to see A Renewed effort of a completely independent emulator that can run their games. One that would allow third party modification and firmware
I love Nintendo. I have all the residual warm memories, plus the disposable income to buy a Switch 2. I am the easiest segment of their established base to market to.
I’m not mad, I’m just not going to buy anymore.
In time, Nintendo will be something I used to love.
What makes love truly special has little to do with duration. Sometimes we need to set something free and remember the love we had and the joy it brang. We can always remember those good times, they can’t take that away. It is time to let Nintendo go now.
Just another reason to stop buying consoles. Imagine building or buying a pc for your OS to just be like, “No, we think you’re pirating something. We’re going to lock your system and make it entirely unusable. Enjoy your ~$1000 paperweight!”
If you think either Apple or Microsoft wouldn’t do that,.you’ve likely too young to know about “hackingtosh” computers or too nerdy to have read the windows 11 coverage.
That neither company would do it without a profit motive is a good argument to ban both from running “app stores”.
Hackintoshes have been around since the 80s and this has never happened.
In 2009-2012 Apple did levy a successful lawsuit against Psystar for doing this in a business environment. But they’ve never enforced bricking a consumer Hackintosh and I expect they never will.
Many of us don’t get a choice when it comes to work computers. I use a lot of software that is impossible to get on Windows or Linux. I despise Macs with a passion, but I’m forced to use them for certain aspects of my work. Because there literally isn’t an analogous program for Windows or Mac.
Same with my desk computer, which is a Windows laptop issued by the company’s IT department. Could I boot Linux on it from a USB drive? Probably. But why would I, when that could easily get me fired as soon as IT sees a random Linux machine trying to connect to their network?
I took down all the lan ports in our cube area connecting a raspberry pi to the network. I left network as static as I set it up and installed it into equipment where it won’t touch the network but the machine can talk to it, but then realized I needed some extra software. So I brought it out to my desk where I had set it up while it was set to dynamic and it caused the whole switch it was connected to to shut down. No one really seemed bothered when I went to get it fixed. Concerningly not bothered in fact.
Many of us don’t get a choice when it comes to work computers.
Then just switch to Linux on your personal computer. Seriously, it’s as if you saw that single “gotcha” argument and decided to repeat it with no thought whatsoever
Not at all. There are a lot of Lemmy users who act like using Windows/Mac for anything is a sin. The go-to advice whenever Microsoft progresses the enshittificafion is “lol I haven’t used Windows in [X] years. Just make the switch to Linux already.” And they act like ditching it is the only way to go. But the sad reality is that ditching Windows/Mac isn’t an option for many people who are roped into using it due to corporate policy or entrenched software.
Hell, I still have to use Windows XP fairly regularly for work. It’s an air gapped system that never touches the internet, but it is a program that is written in Flash… And it controls some of the most expensive gear that the company owns. Since Flash isn’t supported on modern OSes, the official vendor solution is to fucking ship a Windows XP machine.
Contrary to what Lemmy would like you to believe, some of us actually like using Windows. Is it annoying sometimes? Yes but Linux can also be really annoying and a pain. I’ve wasted days trying to get a GPU to show up properly among other smaller issues for work purposes. I’m not gonna even try to bother with it when I just want to get home and relax.
Full console brick? You have an argument that will surely end well against the legal team that puts people into indentured servitude.
Disable of all online functionality? Perfectly valid and no different than banning someone from a store.
And the latter effectively provides the former if you can’t download any updates, connect to any online servers, or even download your game from a “game key card” or whatever the hell they are calling those.
You don’t own the digitally purchased games. They can revoke access for any reason they want, or no reason at all. You agreed to these terms when making the purchase.
That said: it is conceptually no different than any business banning someone. If you were to, for example, masturbate in a Rain Forest Cafe, they would be well within their rights to never allow you back on their properties ever again.
It is obvious Nintendo finally figured out what Ubi et al did… 15 or so years ago and is making EVERYTHING online. That way they effectively brick a console by turning off updates and immediately locking it upon authenticating with the chat server or whatever.
It’s great that these devices finally exist. For the longest time your only option for handheld gaming was Nintendo, or maybe Sony for a short period of time, so I always went with Nintendo as a companion device to my PC.
When the Switch launched, I started wishing for a PC with that form factor, unrealistic as that was at the time. At some point in time I even got hardware-banned from anything online because I dared to install some things on it in order to transfer my save files between PC and Switch. Even lost the ability to download a game I had already bought but not yet installed.
Thankfully, around that time the Steam Deck was announced, and the only time I booted the Switch afterwards was to dump all my games and saves.
Back on the mid 2000s I had a PSP, it was awesome. I hacked it and ripped all my games to the memory, so I can have all my games with me. I didn’t like having to bring the delicate UMD, so hacking it really made the device ultimate for me. Also I mostly collect physical games, really don’t like digital only. This gave me the ability to have both.
“We’ve seen the feedback online that everyone is unhappy that our new generation of hardware and software is too expensive. Nintendo listens to customer feedback, and we appreciate your enthusiasm for Nintendo products!
“In response to the community, we’ve updated our license agreement so that if you even think about not paying us, we’ll kick you off ALL our stuff and cancel every other Nintendo thing you have! We’ll even send a brute squad to your house and smash your legacy NES we can’t brick remotely in front of your kids! Nobody messes with Nintendo!
“Now, get out there, and buy, buy, buy!
“Sincerely, your friendly, caring buddies at Nintendo.”
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i mean switch 1 has all the same games switch 2 does cause all nintendo does is re release the same shit every year like ea sports and all the other aaa slop. Even if they do it with more polish and quality.
Well they ain’t gonna brick my SreamDeck, so I say go for it Nintendo.
Not that I think this is acceptable behavior, but I’m okay with them pushing people away from their systems into using alternatives.
This is a self-own.
Easy solution: Don’t buy one. Play games on a PC. Nintendo isn’t your friend.
Nintendo be Nintendo.
As DRM has taught us - there’s always a way around. Make it harder? Well, that just makes it more of a challenge. It will hacked, and bypassed. All this does is make Nintendo look like a bunch of assholes.
Is this to me counteract the Migswitch specifically?
Seems like a load of crap either way.
That and probably since V1 switches are softmoddable forever.
‘Bricking’ seems to be hyperbole from the author though, I’d wager they’re doing the same online bans as Switch1. However as Game Key carts are going to be a big thing now- with no eShop access those Game Key carts might not work if you don’t have the game downloaded already. (or possibly might not work at all)
That would render the device unusable if you only had Game Key Carts and/or digital purchases, you’d not really be able to use the console at all.
Fine. Then we will need to run their titles in other hardware with emulation.
For real though, like I don’t see their monetary gain here. The only thing they’re encouraging is people to just not bother buying the switch in the first place in favor of other projects. I believe if they manage to go through with this and actually enforce these new terms, that were just going to see A Renewed effort of a completely independent emulator that can run their games. One that would allow third party modification and firmware
I love Nintendo. I have all the residual warm memories, plus the disposable income to buy a Switch 2. I am the easiest segment of their established base to market to.
I’m not mad, I’m just not going to buy anymore.
In time, Nintendo will be something I used to love.
What makes love truly special has little to do with duration. Sometimes we need to set something free and remember the love we had and the joy it brang. We can always remember those good times, they can’t take that away. It is time to let Nintendo go now.
Indeed it really seems they’re doing a lot to piss off the, well, fans.
It might be a demographics thing, but instead of getting pissed off, I’m willing and able to simply let sentiment and any sense of fealty die.
Never mind calming a sense of anger, how will they get me to feel anything about their product?
Absolutely! I will just drop them if they’re not deemed worthy.
The same with all the big ones that were too big to fail until they did.
I am sure though it’s not that time for Nintendo. It might only be a thing on paper.
But the damage stays and sums up.
Just another reason to stop buying consoles. Imagine building or buying a pc for your OS to just be like, “No, we think you’re pirating something. We’re going to lock your system and make it entirely unusable. Enjoy your ~$1000 paperweight!”
If you think either Apple or Microsoft wouldn’t do that,.you’ve likely too young to know about “hackingtosh” computers or too nerdy to have read the windows 11 coverage.
That neither company would do it without a profit motive is a good argument to ban both from running “app stores”.
Hackintoshes have been around since the 80s and this has never happened.
In 2009-2012 Apple did levy a successful lawsuit against Psystar for doing this in a business environment. But they’ve never enforced bricking a consumer Hackintosh and I expect they never will.
Apple has reportedly sued people trying to figure out the communication protocols and chips on hardware those people own.
Aside from the specific hackintosh problem, apple is no better.
That’s why linux is the only choice for me now.
You guys still use Windows and Macs, lol?
Many of us don’t get a choice when it comes to work computers. I use a lot of software that is impossible to get on Windows or Linux. I despise Macs with a passion, but I’m forced to use them for certain aspects of my work. Because there literally isn’t an analogous program for Windows or Mac.
Same with my desk computer, which is a Windows laptop issued by the company’s IT department. Could I boot Linux on it from a USB drive? Probably. But why would I, when that could easily get me fired as soon as IT sees a random Linux machine trying to connect to their network?
I took down all the lan ports in our cube area connecting a raspberry pi to the network. I left network as static as I set it up and installed it into equipment where it won’t touch the network but the machine can talk to it, but then realized I needed some extra software. So I brought it out to my desk where I had set it up while it was set to dynamic and it caused the whole switch it was connected to to shut down. No one really seemed bothered when I went to get it fixed. Concerningly not bothered in fact.
why are you running pirated media on a work computer?
On the same basis as Nintendo, it wouldn’t matter if they are or are not, if their “detection” determines its against terms, then its against terms.
False positives happen all the time.
huh?
The only part that matters is detection.
Whether that detection is accurate or not is irrelevant.
Then just switch to Linux on your personal computer. Seriously, it’s as if you saw that single “gotcha” argument and decided to repeat it with no thought whatsoever
Not at all. There are a lot of Lemmy users who act like using Windows/Mac for anything is a sin. The go-to advice whenever Microsoft progresses the enshittificafion is “lol I haven’t used Windows in [X] years. Just make the switch to Linux already.” And they act like ditching it is the only way to go. But the sad reality is that ditching Windows/Mac isn’t an option for many people who are roped into using it due to corporate policy or entrenched software.
Hell, I still have to use Windows XP fairly regularly for work. It’s an air gapped system that never touches the internet, but it is a program that is written in Flash… And it controls some of the most expensive gear that the company owns. Since Flash isn’t supported on modern OSes, the official vendor solution is to fucking ship a Windows XP machine.
Contrary to what Lemmy would like you to believe, some of us actually like using Windows. Is it annoying sometimes? Yes but Linux can also be really annoying and a pain. I’ve wasted days trying to get a GPU to show up properly among other smaller issues for work purposes. I’m not gonna even try to bother with it when I just want to get home and relax.
Convenience is not worth all the spyware and disrespect.
Or buy a steam deck
Microsoft would 100% do this with Windows if they had the technical competence, heh.
Apple’s just closing off practical workarounds.
Yeah that’s illegal. It’s the customers hardware once they buy it. Still gonna hack it like every Nintendo console before.
Why are people upvoting your obviously incorrect statement? Do we literally just not care about truth anymore?
Newsflash: Europe exists
Not for a lot longer tho
Just go to bed dude, none of your comments today are any good.
Depends how it is done
Full console brick? You have an argument that will surely end well against the legal team that puts people into indentured servitude.
Disable of all online functionality? Perfectly valid and no different than banning someone from a store.
And the latter effectively provides the former if you can’t download any updates, connect to any online servers, or even download your game from a “game key card” or whatever the hell they are calling those.
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You don’t own the digitally purchased games. They can revoke access for any reason they want, or no reason at all. You agreed to these terms when making the purchase.
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Ethics are very much a personal thing.
That said: it is conceptually no different than any business banning someone. If you were to, for example, masturbate in a Rain Forest Cafe, they would be well within their rights to never allow you back on their properties ever again.
It is obvious Nintendo finally figured out what Ubi et al did… 15 or so years ago and is making EVERYTHING online. That way they effectively brick a console by turning off updates and immediately locking it upon authenticating with the chat server or whatever.
Well sure, but ethics simply don’t apply when referring to a multi-billion dollar corporation.
The latter is also how Microsoft and Sony handle it.
You go online with a modded console? Console ID gets banned and you can’t ever access online services of any kind with that console.
The switch already results in online ban if you play an online game with a hacked console, which they need to do to protect against cheaters.
This just makes me want to pirate it…
So happy I went with a steam deck
It’s great that these devices finally exist. For the longest time your only option for handheld gaming was Nintendo, or maybe Sony for a short period of time, so I always went with Nintendo as a companion device to my PC.
When the Switch launched, I started wishing for a PC with that form factor, unrealistic as that was at the time. At some point in time I even got hardware-banned from anything online because I dared to install some things on it in order to transfer my save files between PC and Switch. Even lost the ability to download a game I had already bought but not yet installed.
Thankfully, around that time the Steam Deck was announced, and the only time I booted the Switch afterwards was to dump all my games and saves.
Back on the mid 2000s I had a PSP, it was awesome. I hacked it and ripped all my games to the memory, so I can have all my games with me. I didn’t like having to bring the delicate UMD, so hacking it really made the device ultimate for me. Also I mostly collect physical games, really don’t like digital only. This gave me the ability to have both.
Steam has the games Nintendon’t. For everything else, there’s emulation.
Best argument in favor of emulation so far.
“Dear fans,
“We’ve seen the feedback online that everyone is unhappy that our new generation of hardware and software is too expensive. Nintendo listens to customer feedback, and we appreciate your enthusiasm for Nintendo products!
“In response to the community, we’ve updated our license agreement so that if you even think about not paying us, we’ll kick you off ALL our stuff and cancel every other Nintendo thing you have! We’ll even send a brute squad to your house and smash your legacy NES we can’t brick remotely in front of your kids! Nobody messes with Nintendo!
“Now, get out there, and buy, buy, buy!
“Sincerely, your friendly, caring buddies at Nintendo.”
Might want to research Japanese IP law before you strawman, but apparently by the upvotes all of lemmy is just as ignorant as you are
Apart from the admittedly over the top hyperbole about the NES, what portion of my sarcasm would you say qualifies as a strawman?
Literally your ENTIRE first reply is a strawman and an argumentum ad absurdum thrown in for good measure.
It was a mistake to let any of you on the internet, and I sure did warn them.