I don’t buy physical objects and then agree to not own them. I don’t even like that shit with digital goods. I don’t need someones authorization to “allow” me to use what I buy as I see fit. If buying isn’t owning than pirating isn’t stealing.
How is retropie still able to operate? Seems like 9 out of 10 people who buy a raspberry pi are using it with retropie to play retro games. Seems like something that holds that much of the emulator industry share would be targeted by Nintendo.
Subsequently, if I know someone who knows someone who has a retropie for gaming, what’s the worst case scenario that could come from Nintendo shutting down retropie’s ability to provide the means to emulate? Will it be fine as long as the OS isn’t updated any further? Just run the emulators and roms already installed on it as long as no new emulators or roms are added after the possible crack down?
Nintendo can’t control anyone else’s hardware, they can’t stop you from doing what you want on a Raspberry Pi. They’re trying to crack down on Switch modding, but even that’s just a cat-and-mouse game.
You will not get in trouble for emulating at home. Emulation itself is legal, it’s only illegal to download games you don’t own. But it’s nearly impossible for anyone to get caught doing that, and very obviously not worth any lawyer’s time to pursue individual end users for pennies in damages. You are safe.
What Nintendo wants to do is attack piracy at the source. They can go after sites that distribute ROMs, but those are like a hydra, kill one and three more take its place. Then there’s the likes of Yuzu and Ryujinx, where Nintendo claims to have found some technicality about these emulators having something they shouldn’t. But the forks are still being distributed, and you the end user will not get in trouble for downloading the fork at home.
Note that for the most part, they’re really only concerned with protecting their current hardware. They’ve never gone after Dolphin, Snes9x, mGBA, etc, because they know those are battles they can’t win. Considering how aggressive Nintendo is on the battles they do fight, it’s clear that anything Nintendo doesn’t go after is something they can’t go after.
I’d never thought of it in these specific terms before, but the essentially educational and fear-ameliorating nature of your post led me to realize that it’s likely that a lot of what Nintendo’s doing with all of this legal barnstorming is essentially PR, and that’s all it’s meant to be.
They have little hope of actually winning cases or of doing anything more than cutting off one head of the hydra if they do, and all of their safeguards can be and will be worked around, repeatedly if necessary, so from a practical standpoint, they’re fighting a losing battle. But all of their noise and aggressive posturing likely serves to scare a lot of less-informed gamers into not emulating in the first place, so it furthers their goals anyway.
I mean it’s still important to walk an emulators for current Hardware while we still have modern working examples and can capture Network packets and whatnot but I’m not totally against the idea of Simply holding your insights from public consumption for a while out of practicality alone
I agree, it’s important to preserve things today because it may be too late tomorrow. Some Switch titles have already been delisted, so it’s good that we backed them up early.
But I’m just explaining it from Nintendo’s perspective. If the tools we use to restore Super Mario Bros. 35 can also be used to crack Tears of the Kingdom, they don’t want those tools in our hands.
The more important point though is that it is all cat-and-mouse, and the mouse is winning. We have those tools, and they can’t fully stop it.
Fuck me 10/10 response. Thank you that answered so many of my questions.
Maybe it’s just a coincidence that because I switched to Lemmy almost 2 years ago I started seeing more IT related news and thats why im seeing so many more articles about Nintendo shutting down as much pirated material as they can. Or is it that they only recently started this crusade? If so, do you have any more information as to why they started making this a priority in the past couple years?
And there are a few points why they are so active, first and foremost the IP law in Japan, which says (paraphrased) that IP that is not defended is fair game for everyone; then there is the technological fact that emulation of their systems is pretty easy performancewise nowadays in comparison to the naughts; and then there is the thing that if the few titles that are exclusives to nintendos system can easily played on other platforms (where they don’t see a dime), they will not be able to sell their hardware and therefore no games that are available on other platforms. Also, they have always stepped up their game when a new hardware generation comes out - can’t have people emulating the old platform when there’s new stuff to buy, ya see?
I await the day when someone at nintendo starts using his calculator and recognizes that selling their back catalogue games at 7,99 per game on pc and 10 bucks on all the other platforms would ensure a steady flow of income for much needed innovation; the switch is nice, but i can’t see where the switch 2 is a product that shows enough difference to the switch1 for massive sales.
You can say 9 out of 10 buying a raspberry pie are setring up retro pie for emulating, but 98 out of 100 people emulating aren’t using a raspberry pie to do it.
I mean the statement was heavily implied to be anecdotal to my experience but I’ll add to it by also saying I haven’t met a single person who runs an emulator console using anything but raspberry pi hardware.
What are the 98 out 100 people that you know using? Mini desktops?
You’re just speaking of dedicated emulator systems? I’d agree with those numbers of yours then. I was just speaking of what people use to emulate old games in general. Almost everyone just uses a pc, laptop, or cell phone. The numbers for dedicated systems that look like retro Gameboys and stuff like that are outnumbered by like 100 to 1.
If I ever get sued by nintendo for some reason I’m making a large part of my case to try and convince investors how much money they could make having games available on pc, I doubt I could win a lawsuit but I will do my best to be a seed that changes your company forever
Been thinking of getting a used Switch Mini exclusively to solder in a chip and use it as a nice emulation handheld. As long as it doesn’t rat itself out over Bluetooth or something to its older brother gathering dust behind the tv (which has never been touched by the light of piracy), I should still be good I guess.
It’s unfortunate, but what I’m actually worried about is that world where different devices will report on each other.
Just get a proper emulation handheld. It won’t have Joycon’s that will drift in 12 months. The Switch doesn’t do anything special versus an emulation handheld. There are a million to choose from at every price point.
Nintendo is such a shit company now. I’d be surprised if they ever innovate again. They’ll just sit around and sue and release mediocre to bad bullshit.
Half disagree. They’ve taken a lot of risks in the past with designs that other companies wouldn’t have. Things that didn’t always pan out well and became the butts of jokes.
But yes, they’ve been a litigious company with ties to the Yakuza that people frequently forget as well.
As a Linux gamer the idea of unauthorized software is absolutely absurd. Also spending billions on “security” to make sure only approved games are played then approving slop.
And the only digital store so far that directly allows sharing your collection with your family (yes, I call my long time friends a family). I mean, it am sure they are winning the long game.
Meanwhile EA got their like third remake which STILL sucks, Epic trying to buy exclusivity in PC market, Ubisoft launcher is just a shit stain that nobody wants to use directly and is forced on them, and the rest (Bethesda, Rockstar, Battle.net) are not really worth considering as a store, rather than just DRM-checking slop nobody really needs.
Yeah the amount of games I buy and never even play, its ridiculous lol, big ass back log and can play anything I want under the sun. If my deck can’t handle it then moonlight and streaming from my rig can.
Granted 90% of the components they used in SteamOS are readily available open source components, the componets they did make they did also open source (such as gamescope).
laughs in steam deck You know, I didn’t really have a lot of interest in emulating old Nintendo games, but now I think I’ll do it just because Nintendo doesn’t want me to.
Honestly, I’m an advocate for emulation and game preservation and all that, but I’m surprised this is only now the case. I don’t have the nerve to try to hack my device if it’s the currently being supported platform. If they’ve already abandoned it then it’s fair game but the currently active console with your current actual information on there that gets regular updates? You’re just playing with fire.
It’s like taking it upon yourself to make an “HD remake” of the IPs owned by famously stringent companies who aren’t afraid to put the hammer down on these things.
I generally agree, I only really hack consoles that aren’t being supported anymore, but I don’t like how over-reaching the end user agreement is sounds like it’s likely to be abused
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So if I never buy a Nintendo product, I’m fine to emulate? Got it
Malicious compliance
I don’t buy physical objects and then agree to not own them. I don’t even like that shit with digital goods. I don’t need someones authorization to “allow” me to use what I buy as I see fit. If buying isn’t owning than pirating isn’t stealing.
Preventing me from accessing Nintendo network and store is one thing. Somehow bricking my physical device, that I own? Fuck them
Sigh. They’re really trying to turn into the villain this generation aren’t they?
Nah, all the big names (Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft) are shit this generation. This is the worst console generation so far.
Says the internet every single console generation
Enshittification is apparently a journey, not a destination.
How is retropie still able to operate? Seems like 9 out of 10 people who buy a raspberry pi are using it with retropie to play retro games. Seems like something that holds that much of the emulator industry share would be targeted by Nintendo.
Subsequently, if I know someone who knows someone who has a retropie for gaming, what’s the worst case scenario that could come from Nintendo shutting down retropie’s ability to provide the means to emulate? Will it be fine as long as the OS isn’t updated any further? Just run the emulators and roms already installed on it as long as no new emulators or roms are added after the possible crack down?
Nintendo can’t control anyone else’s hardware, they can’t stop you from doing what you want on a Raspberry Pi. They’re trying to crack down on Switch modding, but even that’s just a cat-and-mouse game.
You will not get in trouble for emulating at home. Emulation itself is legal, it’s only illegal to download games you don’t own. But it’s nearly impossible for anyone to get caught doing that, and very obviously not worth any lawyer’s time to pursue individual end users for pennies in damages. You are safe.
What Nintendo wants to do is attack piracy at the source. They can go after sites that distribute ROMs, but those are like a hydra, kill one and three more take its place. Then there’s the likes of Yuzu and Ryujinx, where Nintendo claims to have found some technicality about these emulators having something they shouldn’t. But the forks are still being distributed, and you the end user will not get in trouble for downloading the fork at home.
Note that for the most part, they’re really only concerned with protecting their current hardware. They’ve never gone after Dolphin, Snes9x, mGBA, etc, because they know those are battles they can’t win. Considering how aggressive Nintendo is on the battles they do fight, it’s clear that anything Nintendo doesn’t go after is something they can’t go after.
I’d never thought of it in these specific terms before, but the essentially educational and fear-ameliorating nature of your post led me to realize that it’s likely that a lot of what Nintendo’s doing with all of this legal barnstorming is essentially PR, and that’s all it’s meant to be.
They have little hope of actually winning cases or of doing anything more than cutting off one head of the hydra if they do, and all of their safeguards can be and will be worked around, repeatedly if necessary, so from a practical standpoint, they’re fighting a losing battle. But all of their noise and aggressive posturing likely serves to scare a lot of less-informed gamers into not emulating in the first place, so it furthers their goals anyway.
I mean it’s still important to walk an emulators for current Hardware while we still have modern working examples and can capture Network packets and whatnot but I’m not totally against the idea of Simply holding your insights from public consumption for a while out of practicality alone
I agree, it’s important to preserve things today because it may be too late tomorrow. Some Switch titles have already been delisted, so it’s good that we backed them up early.
But I’m just explaining it from Nintendo’s perspective. If the tools we use to restore Super Mario Bros. 35 can also be used to crack Tears of the Kingdom, they don’t want those tools in our hands.
The more important point though is that it is all cat-and-mouse, and the mouse is winning. We have those tools, and they can’t fully stop it.
Fuck me 10/10 response. Thank you that answered so many of my questions.
Maybe it’s just a coincidence that because I switched to Lemmy almost 2 years ago I started seeing more IT related news and thats why im seeing so many more articles about Nintendo shutting down as much pirated material as they can. Or is it that they only recently started this crusade? If so, do you have any more information as to why they started making this a priority in the past couple years?
Nintendo has been at it for the last 30 years, here are landmark lawsuites lists, from my memory everything relevant has been listed.
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Legal_status_and_history_of_emulation#Nintendo
And there are a few points why they are so active, first and foremost the IP law in Japan, which says (paraphrased) that IP that is not defended is fair game for everyone; then there is the technological fact that emulation of their systems is pretty easy performancewise nowadays in comparison to the naughts; and then there is the thing that if the few titles that are exclusives to nintendos system can easily played on other platforms (where they don’t see a dime), they will not be able to sell their hardware and therefore no games that are available on other platforms. Also, they have always stepped up their game when a new hardware generation comes out - can’t have people emulating the old platform when there’s new stuff to buy, ya see?
I await the day when someone at nintendo starts using his calculator and recognizes that selling their back catalogue games at 7,99 per game on pc and 10 bucks on all the other platforms would ensure a steady flow of income for much needed innovation; the switch is nice, but i can’t see where the switch 2 is a product that shows enough difference to the switch1 for massive sales.
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thanks for clearing stuff up
You can say 9 out of 10 buying a raspberry pie are setring up retro pie for emulating, but 98 out of 100 people emulating aren’t using a raspberry pie to do it.
I mean the statement was heavily implied to be anecdotal to my experience but I’ll add to it by also saying I haven’t met a single person who runs an emulator console using anything but raspberry pi hardware.
What are the 98 out 100 people that you know using? Mini desktops?
You’re just speaking of dedicated emulator systems? I’d agree with those numbers of yours then. I was just speaking of what people use to emulate old games in general. Almost everyone just uses a pc, laptop, or cell phone. The numbers for dedicated systems that look like retro Gameboys and stuff like that are outnumbered by like 100 to 1.
This Community : but but but. I only use emulators to play my backed up cartridges I’ve never pirated one game before.
Pirating Nintendo games is a good deed. Everyone should be proud of it.
Nintendo could make fucking bank if it was easier to actually pay them to play their old games. They have no leg to stand on since I can’t.
They’re not stupid, they’re manipulative. In my experience, that’s always the case in situations like these.
They could literally just sell ROM files, bring your own emulator
It boggles my mind that they aren’t just packaging up old games into an exe and posting them one by one on Steam. Its free money.
If I ever get sued by nintendo for some reason I’m making a large part of my case to try and convince investors how much money they could make having games available on pc, I doubt I could win a lawsuit but I will do my best to be a seed that changes your company forever
Been thinking of getting a used Switch Mini exclusively to solder in a chip and use it as a nice emulation handheld. As long as it doesn’t rat itself out over Bluetooth or something to its older brother gathering dust behind the tv (which has never been touched by the light of piracy), I should still be good I guess.
It’s unfortunate, but what I’m actually worried about is that world where different devices will report on each other.
Just get a proper emulation handheld. It won’t have Joycon’s that will drift in 12 months. The Switch doesn’t do anything special versus an emulation handheld. There are a million to choose from at every price point.
Nintendo is such a shit company now. I’d be surprised if they ever innovate again. They’ll just sit around and sue and release mediocre to bad bullshit.
They always been like this.
Half disagree. They’ve taken a lot of risks in the past with designs that other companies wouldn’t have. Things that didn’t always pan out well and became the butts of jokes.
But yes, they’ve been a litigious company with ties to the Yakuza that people frequently forget as well.
As a Linux gamer the idea of unauthorized software is absolutely absurd. Also spending billions on “security” to make sure only approved games are played then approving slop.
But I didn’t agree to their user agreement
Steam over here just open sourcing their full ass os and you can literally do anything you want. Best money ive spent
And the only digital store so far that directly allows sharing your collection with your family (yes, I call my long time friends a family). I mean, it am sure they are winning the long game.
Meanwhile EA got their like third remake which STILL sucks, Epic trying to buy exclusivity in PC market, Ubisoft launcher is just a shit stain that nobody wants to use directly and is forced on them, and the rest (Bethesda, Rockstar, Battle.net) are not really worth considering as a store, rather than just DRM-checking slop nobody really needs.
Valve remains goated because they’re not a public company. They set out to satisfy their customers, not their shareholders.
Yeah the amount of games I buy and never even play, its ridiculous lol, big ass back log and can play anything I want under the sun. If my deck can’t handle it then moonlight and streaming from my rig can.
Granted 90% of the components they used in SteamOS are readily available open source components, the componets they did make they did also open source (such as gamescope).
Thats beautiful to hear
Same. Possibly getting a second
I have 2 because i got the white led. dunno what to do with the 2nd
even older consoles will cause your nintendo switch to brick???
They wish they could stop me from emulating old games lol
Fr tho
laughs in steam deck You know, I didn’t really have a lot of interest in emulating old Nintendo games, but now I think I’ll do it just because Nintendo doesn’t want me to.
Thank god I own a PC and not a corpo platform.
Honestly, I’m an advocate for emulation and game preservation and all that, but I’m surprised this is only now the case. I don’t have the nerve to try to hack my device if it’s the currently being supported platform. If they’ve already abandoned it then it’s fair game but the currently active console with your current actual information on there that gets regular updates? You’re just playing with fire.
It’s like taking it upon yourself to make an “HD remake” of the IPs owned by famously stringent companies who aren’t afraid to put the hammer down on these things.
their device. Your own device, such as a Steam Deck, you don’t have to hack, you can run anything on it however you like.
I generally agree, I only really hack consoles that aren’t being supported anymore, but I don’t like how over-reaching the end user agreement is sounds like it’s likely to be abused
I’m gonna emulate even harder now.
Right? This just makes me want to emulate every Nintendo everything from now on.