That’s really what I was hoping for. Or at least something akin to what they were. I never got to play the OGs, but not that long ago I saw some videos on the lore of the series and it had a gnarly story line, and when they first announced they were making this, that’s what I was hoping to see.
Off topic but I genuinely can’t understand why people like to throw battle royales and extraction shooters into the same pot. The fact that battle royales have been immensely successful (PUBG, Fortnite, Apex) while the only extraction shooter with relative success is Escape From Tarkov (I won’t get into the details but pretty much everyone hates to play) should be indication that any similarities between the two genres are entirely superficial.
It’s wild indeed. The worst part about this comparison is that people say it’ll fail because of the competition, but there’s literally 0 competition in the genre from big studios. The only three somewhat successful games are Delta Force, Hunt Showdown and Escape from Tarkov, two of those are premium games, one where people are willing to pay 250$ for it. It’s even a genre where people mostly want it to be paid to reduce cheating.
To a layman like me the gameplay looks the same. Groups of 2-3 people exploring a large map for resources. Encountering other groups and looting on the way. Extraction shooter to me just means more money on micro-transactions like bank slots.
It looks the same because you are more or less doing the same thing (looting and shooting) but the core motivation to do those things are very different. Battle royales are all about combat, everyone goes in with the sole purpose of winning (with some exceptions) and you win by beating the other teams. Extraction shooters “in theory” are about survival. You take your crap with you into a raid so you could find better crap to increase your chances of surviving a raid. But if you die you lose the crap you took in. Because the goal is survival extraction shooters don’t have a sole focus on combat, but rather combat is a means to an end.
I gotta say, first time I heard of Concord, was two days after release. The headline which introduced me to Concord was “Concord only has X active players”. At least I’m hearing about Marathon before it comes out.
Lmao premium? My ass. That doesnt mean anything. BG3 was “premium” because of the soul put into it. Is this game anywhere near that? Does it at least tell me I’m pretty for the “premium” price?
‘premium’ and not ‘full price’ can mean anything between .01 USD and 79.98 USD at this point when you’ve got a major console and publisher reporting bullshit 80 dollar price points.
You give these corporate jackasses a inch and they’ll bend you over and I for one don’t trust any of these AAA publishers.
My guess is they’re looking at Nintendo here and seeing if they push 50 - 55 USD a ‘premium’, executive bullshit buzzword on par work AAAA gaming, over what is considered normal, 40 USD, now for a live service game.
It is not great, I agree but it’s how it is used. When you think about it, F2P is pretty standard these days so anything with a price tag could be considered “premium” in comparison
I don’t think it’s always. It can be done so it doesn’t feel too bad I think. But it is extremely rare. And often it does devolve sooner or later. But the point is it can be done.
There’s a few examples of F2P games with good monetization. Warframe comes to mind immediately. I’ve heard Path Of Exile is also a solid example of F2P done right, but don’t have personal experience with that one.
Web Fishing comes to mind for me. Idk if it even has monetization besides ads on the web page. It is rather rare though. Warframe was great but when I played leveling each piece of gear was too much for me. So it wasn’t even the monetization it was a game mechanic. Phenomenonal gameplay though. I wish it was more about that than leveling.
Fair enough- I find leveling stuff is fine if I either do it passively via either just equipping a weapon I don’t intend to use or just specifically focus farming leveling. But Warframe is very firmly not for everyone.
Web Fishing is just outright paid, is it not? The game is $5 on steam.
I’ve spent more time in minecraft and terraria (and skylim, released in 2011, which I last played in 2023) than I have in any other games, and those aren’t exactly what I’d call “premium”. I’d agree that more than money needs to be poured into a game to make it good.
The last time I bought a game for $40 was in 2014, the last time I paid $60 was in 2011 (and it was a mistake).
While there will always be an endless surge of people willing to pay whatever price game companies demand and those people can’t be convinced to care enough to change, if you’re reading this I hope you’re the kind of person who can look into the effectively infinite backlog of games that already exist and into the indie and AA space for new games at decent prices done with some actual passion.
Multiply whatever it ends up costing by the number of copies I’ll be paying for, and you get… hmmm. Is that right? It keeps coming up zero. Must be this new A1-powered calculator.
What a manipulative headline. By premium, they mean it won’t be free to play, and leaving the fact that they also said it won’t be full priced out of the headline makes it clickbait. Fuck that awful website.
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It will be a flop
As soon as they dropped the trailer and said it was an extraction shooter, my interest dropped to 0.
It’s a shame too, I really like the visuals
They could have just did a remaster of their game Marathon, from 1994, like System Shock did to their game.
That’s really what I was hoping for. Or at least something akin to what they were. I never got to play the OGs, but not that long ago I saw some videos on the lore of the series and it had a gnarly story line, and when they first announced they were making this, that’s what I was hoping to see.
Can’t wait!
Off topic but I genuinely can’t understand why people like to throw battle royales and extraction shooters into the same pot. The fact that battle royales have been immensely successful (PUBG, Fortnite, Apex) while the only extraction shooter with relative success is Escape From Tarkov (I won’t get into the details but pretty much everyone hates to play) should be indication that any similarities between the two genres are entirely superficial.
They cater to very different audiences.
It’s wild indeed. The worst part about this comparison is that people say it’ll fail because of the competition, but there’s literally 0 competition in the genre from big studios. The only three somewhat successful games are Delta Force, Hunt Showdown and Escape from Tarkov, two of those are premium games, one where people are willing to pay 250$ for it. It’s even a genre where people mostly want it to be paid to reduce cheating.
To a layman like me the gameplay looks the same. Groups of 2-3 people exploring a large map for resources. Encountering other groups and looting on the way. Extraction shooter to me just means more money on micro-transactions like bank slots.
It looks the same because you are more or less doing the same thing (looting and shooting) but the core motivation to do those things are very different. Battle royales are all about combat, everyone goes in with the sole purpose of winning (with some exceptions) and you win by beating the other teams. Extraction shooters “in theory” are about survival. You take your crap with you into a raid so you could find better crap to increase your chances of surviving a raid. But if you die you lose the crap you took in. Because the goal is survival extraction shooters don’t have a sole focus on combat, but rather combat is a means to an end.
Don’t forget that they spent 150 million on getting Alberto Mielgo to make a cool cinematic trailer for the game.
lol yeah, is this going to be Concord all over again?
I gotta say, first time I heard of Concord, was two days after release. The headline which introduced me to Concord was “Concord only has X active players”. At least I’m hearing about Marathon before it comes out.
Lmao premium? My ass. That doesnt mean anything. BG3 was “premium” because of the soul put into it. Is this game anywhere near that? Does it at least tell me I’m pretty for the “premium” price?
I think ‘premium’ in this case is synonymous with ‘not free to play’.
‘premium’ and not ‘full price’ can mean anything between .01 USD and 79.98 USD at this point when you’ve got a major console and publisher reporting bullshit 80 dollar price points.
You give these corporate jackasses a inch and they’ll bend you over and I for one don’t trust any of these AAA publishers.
My guess is they’re looking at Nintendo here and seeing if they push 50 - 55 USD a ‘premium’, executive bullshit buzzword on par work AAAA gaming, over what is considered normal, 40 USD, now for a live service game.
That would make sense but the descriptor is still not a good one. Admittedly it might be my ancient perspective.
It is not great, I agree but it’s how it is used. When you think about it, F2P is pretty standard these days so anything with a price tag could be considered “premium” in comparison
It does, and its not like F2P is inherently bad, it let’s a lot of people play who otherwise wouldnt be able to. But the monetization always sucks.
I don’t think it’s always. It can be done so it doesn’t feel too bad I think. But it is extremely rare. And often it does devolve sooner or later. But the point is it can be done.
There’s a few examples of F2P games with good monetization. Warframe comes to mind immediately. I’ve heard Path Of Exile is also a solid example of F2P done right, but don’t have personal experience with that one.
Web Fishing comes to mind for me. Idk if it even has monetization besides ads on the web page. It is rather rare though. Warframe was great but when I played leveling each piece of gear was too much for me. So it wasn’t even the monetization it was a game mechanic. Phenomenonal gameplay though. I wish it was more about that than leveling.
Fair enough- I find leveling stuff is fine if I either do it passively via either just equipping a weapon I don’t intend to use or just specifically focus farming leveling. But Warframe is very firmly not for everyone.
Web Fishing is just outright paid, is it not? The game is $5 on steam.
I’ve spent more time in minecraft and terraria (and skylim, released in 2011, which I last played in 2023) than I have in any other games, and those aren’t exactly what I’d call “premium”. I’d agree that more than money needs to be poured into a game to make it good.
I’m just glad the minecraft launcher doesn’t track time playing. knowing I probably have over a year of playtime is different then actually seeing it.
Probably only available for the digital deluxe ultimate limited edition.
Which will also be available a month later as a twenty dollar microtransaction.
40 dollar* they’re just adding twenty to everything.
Cassette Beasts just had a free update BTW.
Indie is the way to go moving forward.
500 players max at launch. Downhill from there
So €60 game, €30 battlepass, €10-20 cosmetics.
Triple Quadruple Quintuple A Pricing
The last time I bought a game for $40 was in 2014, the last time I paid $60 was in 2011 (and it was a mistake).
While there will always be an endless surge of people willing to pay whatever price game companies demand and those people can’t be convinced to care enough to change, if you’re reading this I hope you’re the kind of person who can look into the effectively infinite backlog of games that already exist and into the indie and AA space for new games at decent prices done with some actual passion.
Hahahahahaha
Bungie is probably waiting to see if Nintendo is able to get away with $80 for “premium” titles.
And it’ll have all the microtransaction features executives have come to expect. Overpriced battlepass, loot boxes, overpriced fomo cosmetic store.
I mean, Nintendo already got away with it. People are pissed, but you already have people saying theyre gona buy it anyway.
Multiply whatever it ends up costing by the number of copies I’ll be paying for, and you get… hmmm. Is that right? It keeps coming up zero. Must be this new A1-powered calculator.
What a manipulative headline. By premium, they mean it won’t be free to play, and leaving the fact that they also said it won’t be full priced out of the headline makes it clickbait. Fuck that awful website.
Yeah, imma wait for the 1 month later reviews.
Anything with the word “premium” attached to it goes on my ignore list.
There are so many games out there these days that I really don’t feel pressure to buy any single title.
yes, I too expect all games to be free
Enjoy the super slide into bullshit land. Console makers have lost the plot 100%
Fine fine, so maybe one or two years after release in a sale.