Amid continued frustration and confusion from fans about how much the Nintendo Switch 2 and its games are going to cost them, we've learned that The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild's Nintendo Switch 2 edition doesn't come with the Expansion Pass, meaning you'll have to pay an additional $20 to play the DLC on the new system.
Nintendo somehow keeps finding a way to make this worse
So then you still get to play them. The only people this affects are new buyers, which… scans internet will be approximately nobody, given the raging hate-boners on display. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Then you’ll play the DLC with the updated graphics etc. There’s nothing mystical about the upgrade pack - it’s just engine optimizations to let the game run natively on new hardware, probably some revamped textures, etc. The base game has been DLC-aware since the DLC was released. Having the DLC doesn’t change the game code, it just makes the extra content accessible.
Okay, so then it’s just like normal? This is no news at all? It’s the same as buying the game on the original Switch? Because the DLCs weren’t included with that version either. 🤷♂️ How uninteresting of a post.
When I hit 360 hours in BotW, I asked myself, was this worth a dollar an hour? Yes, yes it was. That was almost 8 years ago, and doesn’t take into account time spent playing other games, or the 7+ years of playtime since.
$/h is a shitty metric. Some hours are more enjoyable than others, and also time is a resource we spend, just like money, not something we’re gaining, so it taking time is a negative. Enjoyment/$ is the metric to use, or maybe (enjoyment/h)/$.
$/h is a marketing term. It isn’t a term consumers should bother with. It’s what has lead to boring over-inflated games that waste your time doing things that don’t matter and aren’t fun.
Enjoyment/$ is the metric to use, or maybe (enjoyment/h)/$.
Or, as I stated, “worth the money.” I’m not interested in turning it into a hard formula, universally transferable. As you noted, there’s too many variables. I was stating that the money was well spent. That’s it.
Different strokes for different folks. I’ve been playing MK8 for 9ish years on two systems. I don’t expect World to be a step backwards, but it could happen.
I may have bought a Switch at launch solely for BotW (even though I had a Wii U), but that’s not the only game I played, even if was the only game I owned for a bit. More games came later. Anyone saying “I’m only going to buy one game” is basing that off of what’s available at launch. More games will come later, at which point people will make their value decisions.
People are losing their shit about Nintendo bumping prices for the first time in several gaming generations. Broad declarations of “never, not me, I won’t!” There seems to be a large overlap between the most vocal and the following two groups:
Happy with your Steam Deck? Great! I’m glad another actual gaming company (Valve) has entered the hardware space. (For MS and Sony, gaming is just one part of their enormous portfolios.) Nintendo doesn’t interest Deck folks. That’s fine. I can’t play first person or close third person games, and never liked RTS-style click as fast as you can games, so PC gaming has never been my thing. The impressive Steam library doesn’t do much for me. That’s fine. We all have options. Great!
People that just pirate their shit? Great! Piracy always has and always will exist. Companies have always fought back against it, and always will. Getting around those barriers is part of the scene. Remember when Sony lost in court against Connectix, then bought VGS just to kill it? I do. I was an adult at the time, and played a lot of THPS using a shitty USB gamepad on my computer. The world kept turning. Games are still free for those that want them enough.
The thing those groups have in common? Neither of them were all that likely to buy anything Nintendo. But any unfavorable news makes them come out of the woodwork to declare that they’re not going to buy any of it even harder. Great! Just totally irrelevant. It’s the latest chapter in the long running saga of the console wars. It’s never been a good story, but does it ever have staying power. Yay tribalism.
I’m not at all defending the price, but am secretly hoping this outcry will make it easier for me to be an early adopter. I still don’t have a PS5 due to how burned I got trying to preorder one.
This isn’t even industry standard - charging $10 to “upgrade” a game, yes, but as far as I can remember the DLC is always included with the game at the base game price when it’s been out for a while.
I hope Nintendo’s extreme arrogance and greed bites them in the ass. Will probably have to wait a year or so after launch to know since I’m sure it will take that long to get Switch 2s to all the diehards with money to burn. I’ll be interested to see how it sells to everyone else.
Yes, they charged for it years ago on the last gen system. This type of rerelease usually includes the DLC in the package so that they can go back to charging full price for a game that’s no longer in the zeitgeist and not worth as much as a brand new game.
If they released it about the same price, backwards compatible, maybe small fee to “upgrade” a switch game to the newer version, I might have been tempted. But seriously meh. I’m playing my physical copy backlog on my steam deck now lol
I think Nintendo thinks they have so much nostalgia, and loyal customers, that this generation they really said “fuck it” and are twisting the knife to see how much the consumer will tolerate. I’m not going to be surprised if we see price drops and actual sales (not 10 bucks off a 5 year old game like they usually do) by the time holidays role around. I don’t think they are anticipating the pushback that is happening.
Ya not sure if I’ll ever get a switch 2. I played the living shit out of my switch 1. Easily was my favourite console… Until I got a steam deck. Instantly I have over 1,000 games purchased already and a hefty percentage of them playable.
…not to mention the switch games that are still sitting on my shelf that I just play on here instead.
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Don’t worry. Super fans will still defend it. They’ve been using the “but but but but” strategy lately
I’m a big fan but I’m not stupid. This is some horseshit.
I have both DLCs and I didn’t expect this garbage. Really bad stuff.
So then you still get to play them. The only people this affects are new buyers, which… scans internet will be approximately nobody, given the raging hate-boners on display. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But if I buy the upgrade pack, what will happen to the DLCs when I play on the Switch 2?
Then you’ll play the DLC with the updated graphics etc. There’s nothing mystical about the upgrade pack - it’s just engine optimizations to let the game run natively on new hardware, probably some revamped textures, etc. The base game has been DLC-aware since the DLC was released. Having the DLC doesn’t change the game code, it just makes the extra content accessible.
Okay, so then it’s just like normal? This is no news at all? It’s the same as buying the game on the original Switch? Because the DLCs weren’t included with that version either. 🤷♂️ How uninteresting of a post.
I will get it and play MKW but…
Yeah no I can’t justify getting too many games for it. Will probably just have World and MAYBE DK Bananza
You’re going to buy an entire console for just one game?
When I hit 360 hours in BotW, I asked myself, was this worth a dollar an hour? Yes, yes it was. That was almost 8 years ago, and doesn’t take into account time spent playing other games, or the 7+ years of playtime since.
$/h is a shitty metric. Some hours are more enjoyable than others, and also time is a resource we spend, just like money, not something we’re gaining, so it taking time is a negative. Enjoyment/$ is the metric to use, or maybe (enjoyment/h)/$.
$/h is a marketing term. It isn’t a term consumers should bother with. It’s what has lead to boring over-inflated games that waste your time doing things that don’t matter and aren’t fun.
Or, as I stated, “worth the money.” I’m not interested in turning it into a hard formula, universally transferable. As you noted, there’s too many variables. I was stating that the money was well spent. That’s it.
OK, but you didn’t say that. You said worth the $/h, which is a common metric people use but is less than worthless.
$/h is useful because it isa universally transferable measure. Enjoyment is not, but is actually what we care about.
I’m just trying to work to remove $/h as something people discuss, because it’s ruined so many games.
Fair enough.
Yeah… But that’s Zelda and not Mario kart.
Different strokes for different folks. I’ve been playing MK8 for 9ish years on two systems. I don’t expect World to be a step backwards, but it could happen.
I may have bought a Switch at launch solely for BotW (even though I had a Wii U), but that’s not the only game I played, even if was the only game I owned for a bit. More games came later. Anyone saying “I’m only going to buy one game” is basing that off of what’s available at launch. More games will come later, at which point people will make their value decisions.
People are losing their shit about Nintendo bumping prices for the first time in several gaming generations. Broad declarations of “never, not me, I won’t!” There seems to be a large overlap between the most vocal and the following two groups:
Happy with your Steam Deck? Great! I’m glad another actual gaming company (Valve) has entered the hardware space. (For MS and Sony, gaming is just one part of their enormous portfolios.) Nintendo doesn’t interest Deck folks. That’s fine. I can’t play first person or close third person games, and never liked RTS-style click as fast as you can games, so PC gaming has never been my thing. The impressive Steam library doesn’t do much for me. That’s fine. We all have options. Great!
People that just pirate their shit? Great! Piracy always has and always will exist. Companies have always fought back against it, and always will. Getting around those barriers is part of the scene. Remember when Sony lost in court against Connectix, then bought VGS just to kill it? I do. I was an adult at the time, and played a lot of THPS using a shitty USB gamepad on my computer. The world kept turning. Games are still free for those that want them enough.
The thing those groups have in common? Neither of them were all that likely to buy anything Nintendo. But any unfavorable news makes them come out of the woodwork to declare that they’re not going to buy any of it even harder. Great! Just totally irrelevant. It’s the latest chapter in the long running saga of the console wars. It’s never been a good story, but does it ever have staying power. Yay tribalism.
Yesn’t. Gift from the family since it comes out on my day. Just not looking the horse in the mouth
Why not ask them for something else, unless they really want you to have that device in particular for some reason.
My brother wants to play it too and he lives next door
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I’m not at all defending the price, but am secretly hoping this outcry will make it easier for me to be an early adopter. I still don’t have a PS5 due to how burned I got trying to preorder one.
Average Nintendo moment.
The day, the Mario died.
Bye, bye, miss Mushroomian pie
Drove my joycon to the left, but the drift was too high
LOL that’s actually despicable
cant think of another high profile old game re-releasing on new system that would sell the games dlcs seperately lol
This isn’t even industry standard - charging $10 to “upgrade” a game, yes, but as far as I can remember the DLC is always included with the game at the base game price when it’s been out for a while.
I hope Nintendo’s extreme arrogance and greed bites them in the ass. Will probably have to wait a year or so after launch to know since I’m sure it will take that long to get Switch 2s to all the diehards with money to burn. I’ll be interested to see how it sells to everyone else.
Every single game dev out there charges for season pass and dlc? Every single one
Yes, when the game is new. Then, when it’s been out a while, the standard practice is to bundle the DLC together with the base game at a lower price.
Bad timing on this comment, with Larian releasing 8 new subclasses for Baldurs Gate 3 for free in a few days.
Yes, they charged for it years ago on the last gen system. This type of rerelease usually includes the DLC in the package so that they can go back to charging full price for a game that’s no longer in the zeitgeist and not worth as much as a brand new game.
Man, Nintendo in hiring the ex P&G/EA executive to run things has really had Nintendo embrace the EA enshitification roadmap and culture.
His name is Doug BOWSER. Of course he’s evil!
Nintendo’s really making it easier and easier to not buy the $500 Metroid Prime mouse control box.
I’ve never rapidly lost so much interest in an electronic as fast as the switch 2 reveal to seeing the game prices a few hours later
I knew it was over as soon as they said the tech demo is a paid title
“Pay $60 to learn that the Joycon uses magnets”
Bravo Nintenbros
Bravo to the one pal who’s gonna buy it and post a gameplay on YouTube
100% this was the moment for me. By no means should they be charging any amount for an FAQ on how to use the product.
“Outrageous! They want, what, $5 for a tutorial?”
“$10.”
ಠ_ಠ
If they released it about the same price, backwards compatible, maybe small fee to “upgrade” a switch game to the newer version, I might have been tempted. But seriously meh. I’m playing my physical copy backlog on my steam deck now lol
I think Nintendo thinks they have so much nostalgia, and loyal customers, that this generation they really said “fuck it” and are twisting the knife to see how much the consumer will tolerate. I’m not going to be surprised if we see price drops and actual sales (not 10 bucks off a 5 year old game like they usually do) by the time holidays role around. I don’t think they are anticipating the pushback that is happening.
So the 3ds system then.
Wonder what they’ll offer to ambassadors only. Twilight princess gamecube?
Windwaker HD Switch version finally …
Remember the 3DS Ambassador program?
I get the feeling the Switch 2 is gonna be the Wii U with stories like this.
Switch 1 was too successful, they’ve gotten omega cocky lmao
At this point I’m actively hoping for it
Edit: Typo
Ya not sure if I’ll ever get a switch 2. I played the living shit out of my switch 1. Easily was my favourite console… Until I got a steam deck. Instantly I have over 1,000 games purchased already and a hefty percentage of them playable.
…not to mention the switch games that are still sitting on my shelf that I just play on here instead.
The more Nintendo talks, the worst it gets.
Morons will still throw cash at them.