Making fun of people based on their ability to type is a really low hanging fruit. As long as you can understand what he’s trying to say, you should be happy to be able to hear the opinions of people who are less taleneted in speaking the same language as you, instead of making fun of him. There are many things he knows which you dont, and if everyone were like you, the human race would have died at the discovery of fire because the person who discovered it didn’t perfectly know that times equivalent of grammar.
This is the first game list article where I’ve read anything beyond the titles of the games. And it was worth it. Thanks for the share and the great list!
I just started playing this based on a similar thread I saw earlier this week, and I haven’t put it down. It shows its age but it is an fantastaic and absorbing game. Easy to switch between mission focus and just killing Nazis for fun.
Yeah, I know, I’ve played it a few years ago. Was pretty fun. I’ve always been into stealth and such games. Commandos 2 and hitman codename 47 being some of my favourite games for kid me.
I was actually surprised to realise that I’ve played everything on the list except for the Indiana Jones (which I’ve downloaded but I haven’t got around to playing yet) and the captain America games.
I feel like that’s one texture replacement away from reality.
But knowing that side they would relentlessly attack it and make it seem like some kind of “maga kill simulator” or w/e.
I literally see front page posts on Reddit now daily advocating for murdering cosplay Nazis, with plenty of comments cheering on saying it is your duty as an American. At the same time Trump just announced that America will take over the Gaza strip so we can send our troops to clean up unexploded bombs, fight on behalf of Israel, & rebuild it with your taxpayer money as a gift to Trump’s handler, Netanyahu.
Cosplay Nazis are misguided, but violently attack & advocating for murdering people for exercising their free speech is both gross & no different than what people claim that Nazis represent. A majority of these cosplay Nazis are online edgelords, who have never even been violent. Israel clearly owns America’s politicians, so it understandable that people would fall into a conspiracy trap to believe that we were lied to about world history.
It is also convenient timing, because soon the protestors that called the massacre & leveling of Gaza a genocide, and those that protest what is going to happen in Gaza, are going to be called Nazis as well.
Murdering, attacking people, & suckerpunching them isn’t going to win people over to your side of history. It will only make them more extreme & increase their numbers. It is just as disgusting & a crime as well, and President Musk has already stated that he intends to make prisoners work the assembly lines for him as part of capital punishment.
If that’s true, the comment being downvoted like this is… interested. On Lemmy, you’re either a Nazi killer or lover, which is interesting since 99.999999% of people here have never killed anyone, let alone a Nazi. We can say fuck Nazis but also say that murder is wrong.
No, he is right. The only people ‘cosplaying’ Nazis are Nazis. If you are an actor on stage or film cast to play a Nazi then you are doing your job. If you don a SS pin and a swastika armband you are a fascist and actively advertising yourself as a threat to those around you (unless they look like you). This is “hate speech” which means that it is “free speech” and thus should be protected from government interference. It, on the other hand, can also fall under “fighting words” which are not protected. It all depends on context. In the context of a fascist wannabe dictator taking office who is openly promoting violence against minorities and showing blatant support of white supremacist groups like proud boys and KKK, it falls under the latter. It is also speech that removes ones self from the social contracts of “tolerance”, “compassion”, and “safety”. Just like any contract, the privileges and protections are only afforded to those who are a party to the contract. If someone goes out in a Nazi ‘cosplay’ and gets gunned down, beaten, savaged, spat on, or verbally assaulted they have no room to complain since they wore “speech” that said “I support or intend to do harm to those in my community and I am a threat.”
I was referring to the reaction to the top level comment. A bunch of people getting pissed as though if you say murder is wrong then you are defending Nazis. This is just mental laziness.
Killing Nazis isn’t wrong in the slightest. The USA has a rich history of doing exactly that.
We do have to make sure that they’re actually Nazis though. Maybe if their leader were to perform two back to back obvious sieg heil salutes then we could know for sure.
I can see that point. I get the same thing sometimes when I casually defend social media companies censoring speech. That is why I usually do it like I did here; direct, verbose, and overtly unambiguous.
People do need to have an understanding that applying an ideal to all people does not mean that you condne the behavior of anyone in specific. I do, personally, hold the philosophy that social contracts need to be mutual and by nature cannot be applied ubiquitously. That is the essence and source of the Tolerance Paradox. That is the most easily digested version, but all social contracts hold the same paradox. Tolerance, compassion, inclusion, safety, etc. The only reason any of of them function is because we all agree on them. It is safe to drive becuse we all agree that that yellow line means we don’t cross it. We are safe standing on a subway platform because we all agree not to push each other onto the tracks. We are able to lead peaceful lives because we agree not to accost each other in public spaces. We are confident we can shop in stores, attend churches, spend time in parks, and move about in life because we include each other in our spaces.
Those who do not do these things forfeit the confidence they hold in those contracts. If you own a store or business and exclude some group, you should expect to be unwelcomed in the spaces of others. If you express hateful commentary or accost people, you should expect to be accosted and to not lead a life of peace. If you openly declare yourself as a threat to the health, wellbeing, and/or safety of other members of society, you are not owed any of those things. Period. That is the solution to the Social Contract Paradoxes. Those who are not party to them are not protected by them. It would be like if I signed a contract with a roofer to replace my roof and my neighbor started demanding they replace his roof too under my contract. They are not a party to the contract so they derive no benefit from the contract.
You’re literally bringing up driving privileges & laws. The social contract you have is the US legal system. You don’t get to go murder or attack people cause you decided they deserved it while you still try to claim you’re following the social contract.
You’re literally making it up as you go. You have no clue what someone advocates for, but it sounds like people need to pass your own personal test else you think you should get to murder them in cold blood then try to make up a reason afterwards. Do you Nazi that you’re the Nazi?
Nazism refers to a school of political beliefs. It’s not some vague unknowable thing, a Nazi is perfectly capable of advocating for Nazism using speech and symbolism. So don’t pretend they have no clue what a Nazi advocates.
No, killing a Nazi does not make someone “the Nazi”. It would be nice if you didn’t trivialize atrocities like the Holocaust.
Thank you. All of these things are actually very well defined. Nazism, Fascism, Authoritarianism. These are not words that are just thrown around haphazardly and have no meaning. The ones who DO use them inappropriately are those whom they describe. It is a concerted effort to redefine or undefine them so there is no longer a word to describe them.
When someone intends to enslave or kill you, your family, or your friends. If they try to strip you of your rights and otherwise destroy your society and way of life, then killing them is not murder. It’s self defense.
I am going to resist in whatever way is available to me. Right now that means defending people in my community from ICE. If the situation around me does heat up to the point of armed conflict I know what side I will be on.
People who self-identify as Nazis, as well as those knowingly in neo-Nazi organizations, are therefore perfectly valid targets of assassination. Historically, Nazi killers are seen as national heroes, so don’t give me that ‘winning people over to your side of history’ junk.
When it is strategically effective to shoot a Nazi, and it often is, then I advocate you do so without hesitation. Where it is not strategically effective, I advocate the myriad of nonviolent techniques put in use by antifascists. These are preferred, not because of some silly claims that Nazis should not be harmed, but because they’re safer and more sustainable than individual actions.
Listen closely to what a Nazi wants, yes even the ‘cosplay Nazis’, and think about whether their life is more important than stopping their goal of mass extermination.
I just have this feeling that someday soon we’re going to look back at this time and wish we’d stood up and acted while we could. I’m not advocating murder - but we’re voting in elections and having endless online discussions while the world is circling the drain.
Law only works when the authority, whatever form that takes, wishes to uphold it.
Elon took over the treasury, despite not having the security clearance or congressional oversight. Yarvin’s Cabal does not respect authentic law, and treats it merely as set dressing to justify whatever pleases them.
The left should do the same in kind. Use both force and words, but never mistake the latter to hold weight among those who don’t care.
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Saboteur is an incredible fun. Feel like replaying it now
“Is an incredible fun”
Words hard, apparently.
Making fun of people based on their ability to type is a really low hanging fruit. As long as you can understand what he’s trying to say, you should be happy to be able to hear the opinions of people who are less taleneted in speaking the same language as you, instead of making fun of him. There are many things he knows which you dont, and if everyone were like you, the human race would have died at the discovery of fire because the person who discovered it didn’t perfectly know that times equivalent of grammar.
Typical .world scum.
Are you OK?
And it’s only $5 on steam! Just bought it to play for the first time.
Love that old Wolfenstein.
Yeah, killing Hitler was so cathartic.
Also just a ridiculous amount of hidden rooms with treasure.
Mein leben!
FÜR AIUR!
Wait… wrong game.
Hmmpaha!
This is the first game list article where I’ve read anything beyond the titles of the games. And it was worth it. Thanks for the share and the great list!
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It has become a culture classic though, one of those games that become more liked as time goes on.
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I just started playing this based on a similar thread I saw earlier this week, and I haven’t put it down. It shows its age but it is an fantastaic and absorbing game. Easy to switch between mission focus and just killing Nazis for fun.
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Yeah, I know, I’ve played it a few years ago. Was pretty fun. I’ve always been into stealth and such games. Commandos 2 and hitman codename 47 being some of my favourite games for kid me.
I was actually surprised to realise that I’ve played everything on the list except for the Indiana Jones (which I’ve downloaded but I haven’t got around to playing yet) and the captain America games.
Silent Storm is missing on that list.
I have a lot of hours piled on that one. Extremely satisfying ragdoll physics.
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Oh my goodness, thank you for reminding me that’s in my library.
Gog link
Very true, but 2009 Wolfenstein isn’t underrated. It’s exactly correctly-rated.
For no reason in particular, here’s a PSA: https://youtu.be/gmiKenqLVAU
They come out swinging, huh
Nice
Ok now where are the mods to add elon musk’s face to one of them?
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I feel like that’s one texture replacement away from reality. But knowing that side they would relentlessly attack it and make it seem like some kind of “maga kill simulator” or w/e.
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I literally see front page posts on Reddit now daily advocating for murdering cosplay Nazis, with plenty of comments cheering on saying it is your duty as an American. At the same time Trump just announced that America will take over the Gaza strip so we can send our troops to clean up unexploded bombs, fight on behalf of Israel, & rebuild it with your taxpayer money as a gift to Trump’s handler, Netanyahu.
Cosplay Nazis are misguided, but violently attack & advocating for murdering people for exercising their free speech is both gross & no different than what people claim that Nazis represent. A majority of these cosplay Nazis are online edgelords, who have never even been violent. Israel clearly owns America’s politicians, so it understandable that people would fall into a conspiracy trap to believe that we were lied to about world history.
It is also convenient timing, because soon the protestors that called the massacre & leveling of Gaza a genocide, and those that protest what is going to happen in Gaza, are going to be called Nazis as well.
Murdering, attacking people, & suckerpunching them isn’t going to win people over to your side of history. It will only make them more extreme & increase their numbers. It is just as disgusting & a crime as well, and President Musk has already stated that he intends to make prisoners work the assembly lines for him as part of capital punishment.
Nobody is talking about cosplay nazis.
“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.”
-Kurt Vonnegut
If that’s true, the comment being downvoted like this is… interested. On Lemmy, you’re either a Nazi killer or lover, which is interesting since 99.999999% of people here have never killed anyone, let alone a Nazi. We can say fuck Nazis but also say that murder is wrong.
Yes, though self-defense may be justifiable.
Yes of course, just about anyone would agree.
Sidenote: my comment is also being downvoted. People just can’t handle the smallest amount of nuance…
No, he is right. The only people ‘cosplaying’ Nazis are Nazis. If you are an actor on stage or film cast to play a Nazi then you are doing your job. If you don a SS pin and a swastika armband you are a fascist and actively advertising yourself as a threat to those around you (unless they look like you). This is “hate speech” which means that it is “free speech” and thus should be protected from government interference. It, on the other hand, can also fall under “fighting words” which are not protected. It all depends on context. In the context of a fascist wannabe dictator taking office who is openly promoting violence against minorities and showing blatant support of white supremacist groups like proud boys and KKK, it falls under the latter. It is also speech that removes ones self from the social contracts of “tolerance”, “compassion”, and “safety”. Just like any contract, the privileges and protections are only afforded to those who are a party to the contract. If someone goes out in a Nazi ‘cosplay’ and gets gunned down, beaten, savaged, spat on, or verbally assaulted they have no room to complain since they wore “speech” that said “I support or intend to do harm to those in my community and I am a threat.”
I was referring to the reaction to the top level comment. A bunch of people getting pissed as though if you say murder is wrong then you are defending Nazis. This is just mental laziness.
Killing Nazis isn’t wrong in the slightest. The USA has a rich history of doing exactly that.
We do have to make sure that they’re actually Nazis though. Maybe if their leader were to perform two back to back obvious sieg heil salutes then we could know for sure.
I think that dehumanizing other humans is something to be on the watch for. It doesn’t make you a Nazi to wonder if you’re also morally unsound
I can see that point. I get the same thing sometimes when I casually defend social media companies censoring speech. That is why I usually do it like I did here; direct, verbose, and overtly unambiguous.
People do need to have an understanding that applying an ideal to all people does not mean that you condne the behavior of anyone in specific. I do, personally, hold the philosophy that social contracts need to be mutual and by nature cannot be applied ubiquitously. That is the essence and source of the Tolerance Paradox. That is the most easily digested version, but all social contracts hold the same paradox. Tolerance, compassion, inclusion, safety, etc. The only reason any of of them function is because we all agree on them. It is safe to drive becuse we all agree that that yellow line means we don’t cross it. We are safe standing on a subway platform because we all agree not to push each other onto the tracks. We are able to lead peaceful lives because we agree not to accost each other in public spaces. We are confident we can shop in stores, attend churches, spend time in parks, and move about in life because we include each other in our spaces.
Those who do not do these things forfeit the confidence they hold in those contracts. If you own a store or business and exclude some group, you should expect to be unwelcomed in the spaces of others. If you express hateful commentary or accost people, you should expect to be accosted and to not lead a life of peace. If you openly declare yourself as a threat to the health, wellbeing, and/or safety of other members of society, you are not owed any of those things. Period. That is the solution to the Social Contract Paradoxes. Those who are not party to them are not protected by them. It would be like if I signed a contract with a roofer to replace my roof and my neighbor started demanding they replace his roof too under my contract. They are not a party to the contract so they derive no benefit from the contract.
You’re literally bringing up driving privileges & laws. The social contract you have is the US legal system. You don’t get to go murder or attack people cause you decided they deserved it while you still try to claim you’re following the social contract.
There is a pretty big flaw in this argument. Tolerance does not mean “do not murder”. We do not tolerate plenty of people that we don’t kill.
You’re literally making it up as you go. You have no clue what someone advocates for, but it sounds like people need to pass your own personal test else you think you should get to murder them in cold blood then try to make up a reason afterwards. Do you Nazi that you’re the Nazi?
Nazism refers to a school of political beliefs. It’s not some vague unknowable thing, a Nazi is perfectly capable of advocating for Nazism using speech and symbolism. So don’t pretend they have no clue what a Nazi advocates.
No, killing a Nazi does not make someone “the Nazi”. It would be nice if you didn’t trivialize atrocities like the Holocaust.
Thank you. All of these things are actually very well defined. Nazism, Fascism, Authoritarianism. These are not words that are just thrown around haphazardly and have no meaning. The ones who DO use them inappropriately are those whom they describe. It is a concerted effort to redefine or undefine them so there is no longer a word to describe them.
When someone intends to enslave or kill you, your family, or your friends. If they try to strip you of your rights and otherwise destroy your society and way of life, then killing them is not murder. It’s self defense.
Then get started. You first.
I am going to resist in whatever way is available to me. Right now that means defending people in my community from ICE. If the situation around me does heat up to the point of armed conflict I know what side I will be on.
Def sounds like they are suggesting murder.
Reread the comment you responded to. Doesn’t mention anything about that. “Murder” is arguable anyways, not every killing is a murder.
Sounds like sympathy for Nazis. They want violence, we the people have the responsibility to send them back to hide in the shadows.
We are here because we stayed quiet for too long.
People who self-identify as Nazis, as well as those knowingly in neo-Nazi organizations, are therefore perfectly valid targets of assassination. Historically, Nazi killers are seen as national heroes, so don’t give me that ‘winning people over to your side of history’ junk.
When it is strategically effective to shoot a Nazi, and it often is, then I advocate you do so without hesitation. Where it is not strategically effective, I advocate the myriad of nonviolent techniques put in use by antifascists. These are preferred, not because of some silly claims that Nazis should not be harmed, but because they’re safer and more sustainable than individual actions.
Listen closely to what a Nazi wants, yes even the ‘cosplay Nazis’, and think about whether their life is more important than stopping their goal of mass extermination.
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Blow it out your ass
I agree everyone should shit on the authoritarian Dems against free speech.
I just have this feeling that someday soon we’re going to look back at this time and wish we’d stood up and acted while we could. I’m not advocating murder - but we’re voting in elections and having endless online discussions while the world is circling the drain.
Federal judges have a lot of power & are near impossible to remove. Democrats could literally tie Trump up in courts for the next 4 years.
Hopefully they don’t wait over 2 years to get started this time, if that’s the strategy.
^ This comment is fucking delusional
Why?
Aren’t federal judges Article III judges?
If so, congress can remove them. The same congress that’s in republican hands, too.
Removing federal judges requires impeachment by 2/3 majority. Republicans do not control 2/3 of congress.
Law only works when the authority, whatever form that takes, wishes to uphold it.
Elon took over the treasury, despite not having the security clearance or congressional oversight. Yarvin’s Cabal does not respect authentic law, and treats it merely as set dressing to justify whatever pleases them.
The left should do the same in kind. Use both force and words, but never mistake the latter to hold weight among those who don’t care.
You can tell how fucked things are when this post might upset some “normal” people
25 Nazis seething so far
Damn, I gotta get back to Bloodrayne. Great fucking game! Also, the new Indiana Jones game looks fun af.
Hahaha, love this!