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This again? Anyway, sure… Tetris or doom for importance. Not really the best. That goes to rdr2 for being one of the best selling games of all time while also being almost universally loved by both critics and fans. Not my personal favourite game, but objectively speaking, the title should go to rdr2, I think
The only problem is that people are idiots, especially online. Go to any comment section and you’ll find people angry at the content, no matter what the content is. And you’re taking them seriously, for some reason. Laugh at them and move on, no more polarization problem. As you’ve said, 77% of people enjoyed avowed. Probably even more, as people are a lot more likely to leave a bad review than a good one.
See, we’ve come full circle back to my previous argument that we’re simply disagreeing on the definition of the word deep. For me, a deep game is a game where there’s many choices. For you, that’s a game with a lot of detail to every bit.
Most people, in my experience, agree with my definition.
What makes deus ex deep? The amount of choices you have. Your choices don’t change the plot. The only thing you change is how you finish the game. You still end up in the same place.
Think of it this way: there’s a slider for choices and one for story detail and length.
Which one is the deeper game, the one with no choices but with a long and detailed story? Like a really long walking simulator, for example.
Or a game with 10 levels that you can approach in 10 different ways each? Sort of like a hitman game or something?
Yup. I’m fine with bg3 being considered a shit game. That’s an opinion and everyone can not like it. But it’s silly to label it something that it’s not. Something that’s more or less measurable . Like pretending the sky is green or something. Makes no sense. Don’t like the characters? Fine. Don’t like the plot, writing, etc? Fine. But don’t tell me it’s shallow when it has so many different ways to approach everything and so many things you can do differently.
I’m talking about the definition of the words “deep” and “shallow”, here. Nobody said bg3 was the best or the worst game. Just that it’s shallow. And most people agree that it’s not.
And yes, there’s issues, but none of the ones you’ve brought up make it a shallow game. And honestly, outside of act 3, and more specifically the ending, I haven’t noticed any of the stuff you’re talking about. And what game gives you a more “evil” path than the one where you help the goblins kill a bunch of druids and refugees and get minthara as a companion. You can convince gale to sacrifice himself and blow up the whole party just for lulz. You can become an assassin of bhaal. You can get shadowheart to and astarion to become evil too, since those are choices as well. All the dark urge stuff, there’s the kid in the druid grove that stole the idol which you can either save or let the mean druid bitch kill her. You can choose to either save or destroy the last light inn in act 2, bunch of people will die there as well. Remember scratch? You can return him to his abusive owner. You can kill karlach.
You can take over the netherbrain and use the absolute’s army to conquer the world, you can wipe out Baldur gate’s citizens memory and rule over them or you can make them kill each other. Or you can become a mind flayer and get everyone in BG to do the same and make them serve you
I could go on. But you’ve obviously made up your mind and I’m probably just wasting my time. We’re not arguing opinions here, we’re arguing facts. And apparently, for some people, fallout and kingdom come are deeper games even tho your second playthrough will be 90% the same and you only have like 4-5 meaningful decisions to make that only amount to whether you kill or not some guy and whether you side with some guy or another and then you get an either sad or happy or angry or neutral prologue at the end.
Is bg3 he deepest game ever? No, but it’s not shallow either. In most RPGs, 1 playthrough or 2 are enough to see everything. Or better yet, 1 playthrough plus a 10 minute YouTube video or one wiki page that explains it in a few lines.
Only other game where the my second playthrough was more different than the first one was disco Elysium and even that wasn’t like a whole other game or anything.
Never said it was perfect. I’m just saying that op claiming it’s shallow is wrong. At least not more shallow than any other rpg out there. And at least by my definition. And I think other people’s too, because as of right now, they’re at -16.
Just because it doesn’t have a huge map with a 1000 pointless quests and bandit camps that add nothing to the game doesn’t mean it’s shallow. The biggest decision a game like fallout ever gave us was the decision to nuke a town. Beyond that, it was just a kill this guy or convince him to run away. Not sure how that’s deep but whatever.
I see. We just have different opinions on what RPGs should be and that’s okay. I prefer a deep lake to a shallow ocean, so to say. I’ll take bg3, disco Elysium or mass effect over Skyrim any day of the week.
I’ve still got 100+ hours in games like that as well… they’re just not as fun or memorable to me and I often end up bored before the end. Had to force myself to ignore a bunch of the map in order to finish Witcher 3 and kingdom come, for example.
Gothic 2 is like the sweet spot, imo. Large enough that you don’t feel confined, but not that large that you get bored doing the same stuff over and over again. And while I did say that KC:D had me bored with exploration by the end, I didn’t feel bad about skipping parts of it like I did in other games because there the size of the map is just for realism and it’s not actually filled with meaningless stuff.
As for character building, I just play path of exile for that. I play RPGs for the stories. If it can have both, great, but I’m not gonna complain about build diversity in a game that I’m not gonna play more than once or twice anyway.
Ah, this again but with a rewritten title. Was posted a few days ago on the Lemmy world games community It was from This article
Tldr: Roblox and Fortnite, not all gaming.
Would you share some of these unknown/underrated games? I’d be curious to see what you mean, because I personally agree with the article and I feel that the games that aren’t more popular are generally there for a reason (not that they’re bad games, just you know… some lack of polish, an unpopular genre, too competitive of a genre, etc)
I can’t remember the last time I played a game and I was like “how have I not heard of this game before?!”
Yeah, I know, I’ve played it a few years ago. Was pretty fun. I’ve always been into stealth and such games. Commandos 2 and hitman codename 47 being some of my favourite games for kid me.
I was actually surprised to realise that I’ve played everything on the list except for the Indiana Jones (which I’ve downloaded but I haven’t got around to playing yet) and the captain America games.
Bought NFS heat for 6€ on steam. Was expecting disappointment, but so far it’s been quite fun. I don’t play a lot of driving games, but I’ve done a bit of sliding and drifting using the wheel and the throttle ad you’ve said. It’s not easy, but well… i figured it’s a skill I have to learn as any other.
The original comment was the guy saying he needs a publisher or someone to give him deadlines in order to get the game out in a timely fashion. That doesn’t sound like “I don’t give a shit about the game” to me. Even if it was just an observation, if the comment was intended to allude to his mental issues, it’s still not a publisher that he needs.
Yeah, definitely it was because of your issues and not just because it was a bad game. How did disco Elysium gross 84 mil being such a political game, again? Helldivers 2? Cyberpunk? Rdr? Metal gear? Fallout? Deus ex? Papers please?
C’mon… I’ve never heard of a good game being unpopular because of its politics… are there any?
Well, when you think about it, it makes sense. It’s a versatile and cool sounding word format or whatever you call it. You can use it for literal stuff, such as Titanfall, where robots fall from the sky or comets or whatever. But also in a collapse kind of thing, like here. And fallen civilizations and apocalypses are a popular themes, so…
Ah, I see. Fait enough. Personally I enjoyed it. No point in making a different game just to have better graphics. PoE 1 is still there for those that don’t like the new one… and I’m looking forward to alternating between the 2, if they manage to find the pace which they promised.