God damn. It went down hill fast. I’m actually gonna start looking at distros. Fuck. I just bought a mini pc to install OPNsense on but I think my weekend just drastically shifted.
Given how Linux support for steam has been going I’ve just started migrating everything and just popping in to windows when I have something that doesn’t work.
That’s not how code of this magnitude works off the cuff GetPhysicallyInstalledSystemMemory() and GetPhysicalDiskSize()) aren’t defined and might exist in a file they couldn’t access. It’s also in C++ so you’d have to compile it first no one’s going through all that for a visual screenshot of a watermark at this stage
If you want a serious answer, you could theoretically disable all security checks on Win11 so you could hex-edit patch it to run, but it would be (1) a lot of effort and (2) probably show that it’s nowhere near finished, because it still misses UI integration for example
I have not dared to test my games with proton on Linux, but if they all work, Windows will be nothing but a VM for me that I use for the exceptions when something doesn’t run under wine. Sheesh.
I made the switch on my daily driver laptop about 4 months ago. I mainly play games like Factorio, Dwarf Fortress and Rimworld, and they all work fine. Only trouble Ive had is with older games like Red Alert. Check out ProtonDB
I decided to play Commandos (1998) and it worked as perfectly fine as it would on Windows. It required a fan patch to support higher resolution and 16:9, but that patch worked fine too. The only large issues I’ve experienced so far are with multiplayer. For example, The Finals hadn’t updated their version of Easy Anti-cheat to a version that supported Linux so it didn’t work for a while, but it does now. That might actually be the only game that was an issue for me, and now it isn’t.
Honestly the site is kind of useless, every time I look at it games that work perfectly out of the box with no changes will practically say that they don’t work at all and vice versa games that don’t work at all will say they run without issue.
Not to mention the amount of people putting literally fucking hundreds of completely worthless flags that actually do literally nothing whatsoever in the code swearing left right and Center that it does something. I kind of wish that site would just disappear
No need, you can just look at the source code and see that that flag is not defined anywhere. It’s not going to do anything it’s not even being parsed it’s just getting ignored. The creator of dxvk complains about this all the time. People piling on completely useless or redundant flags and spreading them everywhere.
Usually it’s one flag that actually does something, surrounded by about 8 to 9 flags that do absolutely nothing. “flag soup” as developers like to call it. People add all of them at once and so they assume all of them are doing something when in reality only one of them did anything at all
I definitely believe that. you’re using filters to cater to your setup, right? Typically if I set those filters I look for the simplest tips and try those. At least half the time it works first try (these are only cases where the game needed tinkering to get working properly)
I haven’t tried linux for like 8 years now and my oly problem was that the games i played back then weren’t supported by linux. I kinda want them to force me to dip into linux again. Last week or so i had to solve a fucking riddle to start my computer to not accidentally accept anything. I hate it so much.
I switched to EndeavourOS (no dual boot to fall back on needed since I received a “work laptop” with Windows 11) about a year ago, first time using Linux period, let alone as a daily driver, and all I can say is that it has been a wonderful experience. I will never use Windows on a personal machine again.
Full disclosure: I have a brother who has been using Linux for a while that helped me through the install process, and basically showed me how to search Google (and the Arch wiki) if I run into any issues, and I have yet to run into anything serious enough to require his attention (which I’m sure he’s thankful for). Small things here or there that I’ve been able to fix myself have gone a long way to helping me grasp (at least a little bit) what’s going on under the hood.
Additionally, while I don’t have a background in comp sci, I grew up during a time where we needed to know how computers worked beyond “press the button on the screen for the thing to start”, so I was already pretty comfortable with the command line and all that.
So I had a little help, but I’m not exaggerating when I say that I haven’t needed his direct help since installation.
As far as games are concerned, most of my PC gaming these days is on my Steam Deck, and even on there I’ve gotten games that Steam labels “unsupported” to work. For example, Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition with DSFix works great despite being “unsupported” on Steam.
IME, there’s very little that won’t run. I don’t have a single game in my Steam library that doesn’t run just fine. The most I’ve had to do to run anything was to try different versions of Proton, and that’s as easy as choosing from a dropdown menu.
A combination of Lutris, Bottles, and Proton GE has covered me so far. I find Lutris more gaming focused, and I have used Bottles a lot for little windows programs that aren’t really games (as an example, some stuff I have for making TTRPG maps and tokens and stuff that I could probably find alternatives to, but they work fine in Bottles so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ).
Non-steam games can be added to Steam and run from there. There are also other launchers such as Lutris and Heroic that can help you install, manage, and run games from other marketplaces or other non-standard sources.
Figured as much, as proton seems to be focused purely on handheld devices needing launchers etc. But thats ok, means they are (hopefully) upstreaming back to wine
You’ll still be using proton in Lutris or Bottles most likely, at least for games. Proton is just a compatibility layer. Proton is absolutely not focused on handhelds. It’s just performance improvements for Wine for Windows games.
You can check all your games on ProtonDB. That being said, almost any single player game will work. Same with any multiplayer game that doesn’t insist on poorly implemented anti-cheat
hardware requirements aren’t that huge … a cpu that supports 11 and 16GB RAM minimum. CPU has to support SSE4.2, which every 11 compatible cpu has. Honestly, this should be your minimum requirements nowadays. Anythjng that can’t do the job is literally 8+ years old.
My PC has a i7-4790k overclocked to 4.5 GHz. It runs smoothly since I got it when it came out and it is still not a bottleneck in any of the games I play. But if I wanted to upgrade to Windows 11 I would need to buy a new CPU, new main board and new RAM, and it would not improve my gaming experience at all. It was my last machine running windows which I changed to Linux 2 months ago and I haven’t looked back.
That CPU would probably meet these requirements abd wouldn’t be affected. The normal Windows 11 requirements are a separate thing which are more demanding but can be bypassed. Though Linux is probably better anyway, especially for older machines. Itt’s requirements haven’t really changed in the last 10 years.
Like Bro I use Linux. I agree it’s more efficient, that’s why I said it’s better for older machines like yours.
What I don’t understand is criticising Windows over this specific new issue. It’s like hating the Nazis because they had bad interior decor, instead of the fact they committed genocide. Like it’s not even an issue, Windows has much bigger real issues.
Not everything is a comparison. It’s entirely possible to discuss one new negative thing about Windows without comparing it to the worse things you dislike about Windows. I don’t have an old computer, I have a wicked fast i7 12700kf, 32GB of DDR5 4800, 2TB Samsung 970 NVMe drive, Auoris RTX 30170 ti, and a z690 Auoris pro MOBO. That doesn’t mean I want my frickin OS gobbling up my resources. I bought powerful components for my uses, not for Microsoft to calculate how to best serve me ads on my computer, using my computing power. Oh, and I do use Linux.
It didn’t realize I was replying to someone else. The person I thought I was replying to was on a 4790K.
This change isn’t a problem at all, just like the Nazis interior decor wasn’t a problem. AI needing certain instructions to run well isn’t unreasonable at all. They are using these instructions and resources to provide a service. This isn’t them wasting resources unnecessarily, presumably they are only used if you engage those services. Don’t get me wrong Microsoft does waste resources but this isn’t an example of that afaik.
What you and others are doing is a motte and bailey argument. First you say these AI requirements are unreasonable, then I say actually they aren’t unreasonable at all and is well exceeded by the actual Windows 11 requirements or most machines made in the last 10 years, then you counter that the Windows 11 is slow and has unreasonable requirements. Do you see how the first and second points are unrelated? The general Windows 11 requirements are way more strict than requiring SSE 4.2. any PC back to like 1st or 2nd gen will have the needed instructions. Maybe the 16 GB requirement is a bit more than some people have, but it’s not a large amount either and you can just keep using it without the AI features.
I think the 16GB requirement is ridiculous, considering Microsoft’s own laptops and Surface Pros don’t come with 16GB standard. They seem to be trying to drive sales through intentional obsolescence of adequate hardware.
I’ve just moved my work PC from a cast off from a customer - it had a BIOS date stamped 2012, and was a rather shag Lenovo with a … Intel Core something and four GB RAM. Cheap though, ie free. I did wedge in a SSD to make it usable.
I run KDE which isn’t known for being tiny and I have a Postgres DB and a few containers for experiments running. The new box is a i5 Intel G13 thingy - HP mini jobbie. Luxury
To ensure that I am as disadvantaged as everyone else, I run ESET Endpoint AV and full disc encryption on it. It boots EFI and Secure Boot is enabled. I will pass a Cyber Essentials Plus audit (UK standard) without having to employ any misdirection. I’ve also read up on the US standards. The STIG for Ubuntu 22.04 is doable but my desktop is running 23.04 and 24.04 has just come out.
I run my company and we have some customers who have some rather more stringent requirements than others. We also have our own standards.
I’m only addressing that last line, but really think it through. Should you really expect, or even want, an OS that runs on a 386? It wasn’t that long ago that most Linux distros could. But they all moved away from it because that limited performance on anything more modern.
The newer instruction sets are created for a reason, and that reason is typically higher performance. If the OS (or any code, really) can use them, it will work better. But if you can’t or don’t, the code will be more compatible.
There also isn’t “any” computer; it’s simply not a thing. The question becomes how old (more technically, what minimum specs) do you want to support, and performance you want to be limited by?
While I agree that Microsoft has leaned too heavily into newer hardware as an expectation, there’s definitely a line to be drawn.
My point was, where do you draw the line? Any answer is equally arbitrary. MS drew it at 8th Gen Intel Core. Would 6th Gen have been the right answer? 3rd? Core 2 Duo? All of them can run Win 10 just fine, and can (at least technically, and for today) run Win11.
I have a computer I use mostly in my office, but sometimes I run games on it, because why not, that has a Xeon x3460. It can run literally every game I’ve thrown at it at 60fps, and it can do literally any workload I need it to do. It’s 15 years old. This isn’t the 80s or 90s where technology is changing so fast that you have to upgrade every year or two to keep up. There’s very little reason to upgrade if you have a working computer.
That CPU came out in 2009. I think things have changed since then. The Intel stagnation issue ended with Ryzen.
Not saying you should throw away your machine, but expecting it to support all features of an OS made 15 years later is unreasonable. They also aren’t saying it won’t work, just that you don’t get all features. It already is way past what Windows 11 was designed to run on (which imo was unreasonable at the time).
If you want to use 15 year old hardware then use Linux. I do anyway for other reasons, and it keeps my FX-6300 server running fine too.
i just directed someone to a 12th gen laptop (i5-1235u) with 16gb ram and 512gb nvme at dell for $430 in a ready-to-ship configuration, search their site for nn3520gsbbs to find it.
PC vendors are still selling laptops with 4GB RAM. 16GB should absolutely be the minimum (and should have been since 2020), but it’s very much not true that anything with less than 16GB is over 8 years old.
Anythjng that can’t do the job is literally 8+ years old.
So what? How about Microsoft lets me define what ‘the job’ is and I will decide for myself whether my machine is up to it? In my opinion the job of an operating system is to expose computing resources to whatever the user wants to do and then get the fuck out of the way.
The minimum requirements are there for them to set a lower limit on what they’re willing to support. You do whatever you want, just don’t complain when something doesn’t work, or breaks because you’re bypassing those limits.
People do this all the time and then complain and blame Microsoft for issues when they are using an configuration they were told was unsupported and might have issues.
The minimum requirements are there for them to set a lower limit on what they’re willing to support.
I agree and they’re free to do whatever they want. I get to have an opinion on their actions though.
What I take issue with is they are enforcing minimum specs because they’re choosing to put a bunch of stuff in the operating system that won’t run (well) below those specs. In other words they are choosing the job that the operating system has to do (GenAI in this case) and I think that is up to the user, not the OS vendor.
If the GenAI stuff they want to build in were optional then you could choose to purchase a cheaper computer or upgrade your existing hardware to a current OS. By going this route Microsoft is artificially inflating hardware requirements.
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God damn. It went down hill fast. I’m actually gonna start looking at distros. Fuck. I just bought a mini pc to install OPNsense on but I think my weekend just drastically shifted.
Just use Mint.
Mint seems too easy tbh. I’ll probably end up using Hannah Montana 💅
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Haha my phrasing was bad. It’ll be a 4090 i9 for Linux 😆 but I’m holding off on destroying my internal network to make this change first.
Just give it the same machine name and network name, and it should be pretty easy to switch.
Yeah. Gonna have to dual boot also unless somehow game pass works on Linux lol
Game pass for Xbox? Yeah, I think that’ll be a no, but someone on Reddit said that you can stream it if you have good Internet.
Interesting. I meant game pass for PC 😆 maybe we are talking about the same thing.
Edit:ah yeah it’s Xbox game pass for PC.
Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinux
Who knew they were telling the truth after all. When they said Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows.
Given how Linux support for steam has been going I’ve just started migrating everything and just popping in to windows when I have something that doesn’t work.
Wasnt going to install it anyway so no loss
i’d rather have web 3.0 and crypto than ai
Screenshot?
Read the article? :D Doesn’t look like it’s live they just caught it in code
Am I reading correctly that ARM is required?
This might be only for a WinRT build (Windows mm ARM)
How did they get the code?
Yeah, so if they have the code, they could run it…
They kinda don’t have the sources there. That’s a decompilation by IDA in that image.
But nevertheless they could run it if they set up an arm64 machine, technically.
That’s not how code of this magnitude works off the cuff GetPhysicallyInstalledSystemMemory() and GetPhysicalDiskSize()) aren’t defined and might exist in a file they couldn’t access. It’s also in C++ so you’d have to compile it first no one’s going through all that for a visual screenshot of a watermark at this stage
Wow that’s some crappy C/C++ code, there’s even a goto 😁
But whats the 0i64?
If you want a serious answer, you could theoretically disable all security checks on Win11 so you could hex-edit patch it to run, but it would be (1) a lot of effort and (2) probably show that it’s nowhere near finished, because it still misses UI integration for example
BRUH
Too bad I’m on Linux.
I can’t wait for it to be added to activate-linux!
My windows 10 already has a watermark to activate it
Don’t threaten me with a good user experience.
Guess Microsoft can buy me a new computer if they want me to use Windows 11.
By getting more people to buy computers they get more window licenses to sell and it’s always been that way, but they’re getting more pushy
But this is making the Windows 11 experience worse, making fewer people upgrade to get Windows 11.
Bruh, software experiences have been getting consistently worse for a decade now.
They’re treating it like it’s not your computer anyways, might as well get them to foot the bill.
I got a new computer to replace the old windows 10. But the new toy won’t see windows.
I have not dared to test my games with proton on Linux, but if they all work, Windows will be nothing but a VM for me that I use for the exceptions when something doesn’t run under wine. Sheesh.
I made the switch on my daily driver laptop about 4 months ago. I mainly play games like Factorio, Dwarf Fortress and Rimworld, and they all work fine. Only trouble Ive had is with older games like Red Alert. Check out ProtonDB
I decided to play Commandos (1998) and it worked as perfectly fine as it would on Windows. It required a fan patch to support higher resolution and 16:9, but that patch worked fine too. The only large issues I’ve experienced so far are with multiplayer. For example, The Finals hadn’t updated their version of Easy Anti-cheat to a version that supported Linux so it didn’t work for a while, but it does now. That might actually be the only game that was an issue for me, and now it isn’t.
Check protondb.com if you want some idea before switching
Honestly the site is kind of useless, every time I look at it games that work perfectly out of the box with no changes will practically say that they don’t work at all and vice versa games that don’t work at all will say they run without issue.
Not to mention the amount of people putting literally fucking hundreds of completely worthless flags that actually do literally nothing whatsoever in the code swearing left right and Center that it does something. I kind of wish that site would just disappear
Have you tried those flags tho?
No need, you can just look at the source code and see that that flag is not defined anywhere. It’s not going to do anything it’s not even being parsed it’s just getting ignored. The creator of dxvk complains about this all the time. People piling on completely useless or redundant flags and spreading them everywhere.
Would be a nice feature if the UI could surface those useless flags somehow, assuming that’s possible
I dunno man, can’t know unless you try the flags. Might work. It worked for that guy.
That is…not my experience. I’ve had a lot of issues that tips/flags helped clear up
Usually it’s one flag that actually does something, surrounded by about 8 to 9 flags that do absolutely nothing. “flag soup” as developers like to call it. People add all of them at once and so they assume all of them are doing something when in reality only one of them did anything at all
I definitely believe that. you’re using filters to cater to your setup, right? Typically if I set those filters I look for the simplest tips and try those. At least half the time it works first try (these are only cases where the game needed tinkering to get working properly)
Oh, they will likely work. Proton has come quite a long way
I haven’t tried linux for like 8 years now and my oly problem was that the games i played back then weren’t supported by linux. I kinda want them to force me to dip into linux again. Last week or so i had to solve a fucking riddle to start my computer to not accidentally accept anything. I hate it so much.
I switched to EndeavourOS (no dual boot to fall back on needed since I received a “work laptop” with Windows 11) about a year ago, first time using Linux period, let alone as a daily driver, and all I can say is that it has been a wonderful experience. I will never use Windows on a personal machine again.
Full disclosure: I have a brother who has been using Linux for a while that helped me through the install process, and basically showed me how to search Google (and the Arch wiki) if I run into any issues, and I have yet to run into anything serious enough to require his attention (which I’m sure he’s thankful for). Small things here or there that I’ve been able to fix myself have gone a long way to helping me grasp (at least a little bit) what’s going on under the hood.
Additionally, while I don’t have a background in comp sci, I grew up during a time where we needed to know how computers worked beyond “press the button on the screen for the thing to start”, so I was already pretty comfortable with the command line and all that.
So I had a little help, but I’m not exaggerating when I say that I haven’t needed his direct help since installation.
As far as games are concerned, most of my PC gaming these days is on my Steam Deck, and even on there I’ve gotten games that Steam labels “unsupported” to work. For example, Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition with DSFix works great despite being “unsupported” on Steam.
As others have said, check out protondb.
And that wasn’t enough to force you to try Linux again? Does Billy Gates have to sodomize your dog, or where is the line? lol
IME, there’s very little that won’t run. I don’t have a single game in my Steam library that doesn’t run just fine. The most I’ve had to do to run anything was to try different versions of Proton, and that’s as easy as choosing from a dropdown menu.
And what if we have a ton of games outside of steam?
My next pc will probably have linux, and my current windows as vm. I will get them to work hehe
A combination of Lutris, Bottles, and Proton GE has covered me so far. I find Lutris more gaming focused, and I have used Bottles a lot for little windows programs that aren’t really games (as an example, some stuff I have for making TTRPG maps and tokens and stuff that I could probably find alternatives to, but they work fine in Bottles so
¯\_(ツ)_/¯).Non-steam games can be added to Steam and run from there. There are also other launchers such as Lutris and Heroic that can help you install, manage, and run games from other marketplaces or other non-standard sources.
Figured as much, as proton seems to be focused purely on handheld devices needing launchers etc. But thats ok, means they are (hopefully) upstreaming back to wine
You’ll still be using proton in Lutris or Bottles most likely, at least for games. Proton is just a compatibility layer. Proton is absolutely not focused on handhelds. It’s just performance improvements for Wine for Windows games.
You may be thinking of SteamOS.
Proton is not specifically focused on handhelds. It’s definitely an all-platforms thing.
You can check all your games on ProtonDB. That being said, almost any single player game will work. Same with any multiplayer game that doesn’t insist on poorly implemented anti-cheat
Li-nux! Li-nux! Li-nux! Li-nux!
hardware requirements aren’t that huge … a cpu that supports 11 and 16GB RAM minimum. CPU has to support SSE4.2, which every 11 compatible cpu has. Honestly, this should be your minimum requirements nowadays. Anythjng that can’t do the job is literally 8+ years old.
My PC has a i7-4790k overclocked to 4.5 GHz. It runs smoothly since I got it when it came out and it is still not a bottleneck in any of the games I play. But if I wanted to upgrade to Windows 11 I would need to buy a new CPU, new main board and new RAM, and it would not improve my gaming experience at all. It was my last machine running windows which I changed to Linux 2 months ago and I haven’t looked back.
That CPU would probably meet these requirements abd wouldn’t be affected. The normal Windows 11 requirements are a separate thing which are more demanding but can be bypassed. Though Linux is probably better anyway, especially for older machines. Itt’s requirements haven’t really changed in the last 10 years.
Idk about you, but I want an OS that is efficient, not one that gobbles every resource I have.
Like Bro I use Linux. I agree it’s more efficient, that’s why I said it’s better for older machines like yours.
What I don’t understand is criticising Windows over this specific new issue. It’s like hating the Nazis because they had bad interior decor, instead of the fact they committed genocide. Like it’s not even an issue, Windows has much bigger real issues.
Not everything is a comparison. It’s entirely possible to discuss one new negative thing about Windows without comparing it to the worse things you dislike about Windows. I don’t have an old computer, I have a wicked fast i7 12700kf, 32GB of DDR5 4800, 2TB Samsung 970 NVMe drive, Auoris RTX 30170 ti, and a z690 Auoris pro MOBO. That doesn’t mean I want my frickin OS gobbling up my resources. I bought powerful components for my uses, not for Microsoft to calculate how to best serve me ads on my computer, using my computing power. Oh, and I do use Linux.
It didn’t realize I was replying to someone else. The person I thought I was replying to was on a 4790K.
This change isn’t a problem at all, just like the Nazis interior decor wasn’t a problem. AI needing certain instructions to run well isn’t unreasonable at all. They are using these instructions and resources to provide a service. This isn’t them wasting resources unnecessarily, presumably they are only used if you engage those services. Don’t get me wrong Microsoft does waste resources but this isn’t an example of that afaik.
What you and others are doing is a motte and bailey argument. First you say these AI requirements are unreasonable, then I say actually they aren’t unreasonable at all and is well exceeded by the actual Windows 11 requirements or most machines made in the last 10 years, then you counter that the Windows 11 is slow and has unreasonable requirements. Do you see how the first and second points are unrelated? The general Windows 11 requirements are way more strict than requiring SSE 4.2. any PC back to like 1st or 2nd gen will have the needed instructions. Maybe the 16 GB requirement is a bit more than some people have, but it’s not a large amount either and you can just keep using it without the AI features.
I think the 16GB requirement is ridiculous, considering Microsoft’s own laptops and Surface Pros don’t come with 16GB standard. They seem to be trying to drive sales through intentional obsolescence of adequate hardware.
you should be able to ‘rufus’ an installer for that. the instruction in the ‘new’ minimum requirement dates back to 1st gen.
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I’ve just moved my work PC from a cast off from a customer - it had a BIOS date stamped 2012, and was a rather shag Lenovo with a … Intel Core something and four GB RAM. Cheap though, ie free. I did wedge in a SSD to make it usable.
I run KDE which isn’t known for being tiny and I have a Postgres DB and a few containers for experiments running. The new box is a i5 Intel G13 thingy - HP mini jobbie. Luxury
To ensure that I am as disadvantaged as everyone else, I run ESET Endpoint AV and full disc encryption on it. It boots EFI and Secure Boot is enabled. I will pass a Cyber Essentials Plus audit (UK standard) without having to employ any misdirection. I’ve also read up on the US standards. The STIG for Ubuntu 22.04 is doable but my desktop is running 23.04 and 24.04 has just come out.
I run my company and we have some customers who have some rather more stringent requirements than others. We also have our own standards.
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Imagine unironically defending Microsoft making their product shittier
Maybe they should just make the OS work on any computer? Kinda seems like they’re shooting themselves in the foot, yeah?
I’m only addressing that last line, but really think it through. Should you really expect, or even want, an OS that runs on a 386? It wasn’t that long ago that most Linux distros could. But they all moved away from it because that limited performance on anything more modern.
The newer instruction sets are created for a reason, and that reason is typically higher performance. If the OS (or any code, really) can use them, it will work better. But if you can’t or don’t, the code will be more compatible.
There also isn’t “any” computer; it’s simply not a thing. The question becomes how old (more technically, what minimum specs) do you want to support, and performance you want to be limited by?
While I agree that Microsoft has leaned too heavily into newer hardware as an expectation, there’s definitely a line to be drawn.
I’m not sure if you are overthinking, by trying to equate a 386 with a top of the line only a few years old.
Or if you under-thought, buy not going back to a 286, or an XT, or a mainframe.
Or that you are in lala land by not including Macs on a Power PC chip.
My point was, where do you draw the line? Any answer is equally arbitrary. MS drew it at 8th Gen Intel Core. Would 6th Gen have been the right answer? 3rd? Core 2 Duo? All of them can run Win 10 just fine, and can (at least technically, and for today) run Win11.
Do you need my PayPal or Venmo account so you can send me money to replace perfectly working hardware?
I have a computer I use mostly in my office, but sometimes I run games on it, because why not, that has a Xeon x3460. It can run literally every game I’ve thrown at it at 60fps, and it can do literally any workload I need it to do. It’s 15 years old. This isn’t the 80s or 90s where technology is changing so fast that you have to upgrade every year or two to keep up. There’s very little reason to upgrade if you have a working computer.
That CPU came out in 2009. I think things have changed since then. The Intel stagnation issue ended with Ryzen.
Not saying you should throw away your machine, but expecting it to support all features of an OS made 15 years later is unreasonable. They also aren’t saying it won’t work, just that you don’t get all features. It already is way past what Windows 11 was designed to run on (which imo was unreasonable at the time).
If you want to use 15 year old hardware then use Linux. I do anyway for other reasons, and it keeps my FX-6300 server running fine too.
every laptop that’s on sale right now under $600 has less than 16gb of RAM
it’s not compatible with windows 11, but today apple is still selling $1500 laptops with 8gb of RAM
i just directed someone to a 12th gen laptop (i5-1235u) with 16gb ram and 512gb nvme at dell for $430 in a ready-to-ship configuration, search their site for nn3520gsbbs to find it.
Amazing price but I see $699 when browsing from Italy the USA store (and not available at all in Italian store)
If it was available in my country for that price I’d buy it even if my laptop is still newish
Microsoft itself doesn’t even sell their own laptops with 16GB RAM standard, it’s always an expensive upgrade.
PC vendors are still selling laptops with 4GB RAM. 16GB should absolutely be the minimum (and should have been since 2020), but it’s very much not true that anything with less than 16GB is over 8 years old.
So what? How about Microsoft lets me define what ‘the job’ is and I will decide for myself whether my machine is up to it? In my opinion the job of an operating system is to expose computing resources to whatever the user wants to do and then get the fuck out of the way.
The minimum requirements are there for them to set a lower limit on what they’re willing to support. You do whatever you want, just don’t complain when something doesn’t work, or breaks because you’re bypassing those limits.
People do this all the time and then complain and blame Microsoft for issues when they are using an configuration they were told was unsupported and might have issues.
I agree and they’re free to do whatever they want. I get to have an opinion on their actions though.
What I take issue with is they are enforcing minimum specs because they’re choosing to put a bunch of stuff in the operating system that won’t run (well) below those specs. In other words they are choosing the job that the operating system has to do (GenAI in this case) and I think that is up to the user, not the OS vendor.
If the GenAI stuff they want to build in were optional then you could choose to purchase a cheaper computer or upgrade your existing hardware to a current OS. By going this route Microsoft is artificially inflating hardware requirements.
Most people don’t want Win 11.