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I don’t know why you are getting downvoted to hell. This is actually correct. They put the second connector on there for a reason. People including myself have done the maths on this before and it’s all above board. Only fringe cases involving power transients, out-of-spec cards, and obviously overclocking should actually make this a problem. Even then the 12VHPWR uses the same current density if not more than a daisy chained 8 pin setup.


This is straight up wrong. There are people here who have done that maths for you, if you look hard enough.

This diagram was probably created by a specific PSU builder and intended to illustrate their recommendations for their PSUs, not as a general rule.


Yeah this person you are replying to is wrong. Using two lines where possible is a best practice, but in most cases isn’t necessary at all. This diagram was created by a specific PSU manufacturer I think, and should only pertain to their PSUs.


Not all PSUs even have a second cable. Mine sure doesn’t.

Technically it’s fine to use daisy chained connectors. People get into trouble though with badly built power supplies, extreme overclocking, or cards like the R9 295X2 that blatantly violate the specifications.

Older PSUs sometimes have trouble with new GPUs. It generally happens because new cards have large power transients that the older spec didn’t take into account. Sometimes running a second line fixes this for one reason or another, but not always. 12VHPWR actually uses similar current per wire or per cross section area of wire as a daisy chained setup, if not a little more.


I am using a RX 6700 XT on one cable as well and it’s perfectly fine. If your PSU has a second cable you can run that to be sure, but if not like mine don’t worry about it. It’s only certain corner cases like extreme overclocking, or certain cards and PSUs that violate the specifications that actually cause issues. The Radeon R9 295X2 would be an example of this. 12VHPWR actually runs a similar amount of current per wire, with an even smaller connector, as a daisy chained 8 pin setup. You should not use third party splitters though if you want to be safe.


Yes, this is the way. I’ve had to do the maths manually without one of those calculators before, but people still wouldn’t believe me.

Best advice is to always do what your PSU maker recommends. If they put the connector on there it probably means they want you to use it.


I think that has more to do with your system and the quality of Bluetooth audio than it does the specific game or application.


16 GB should be the minimum for a new PC these days. The fact they are selling less takes the piss.


It didn’t realize I was replying to someone else. The person I thought I was replying to was on a 4790K.

This change isn’t a problem at all, just like the Nazis interior decor wasn’t a problem. AI needing certain instructions to run well isn’t unreasonable at all. They are using these instructions and resources to provide a service. This isn’t them wasting resources unnecessarily, presumably they are only used if you engage those services. Don’t get me wrong Microsoft does waste resources but this isn’t an example of that afaik.

What you and others are doing is a motte and bailey argument. First you say these AI requirements are unreasonable, then I say actually they aren’t unreasonable at all and is well exceeded by the actual Windows 11 requirements or most machines made in the last 10 years, then you counter that the Windows 11 is slow and has unreasonable requirements. Do you see how the first and second points are unrelated? The general Windows 11 requirements are way more strict than requiring SSE 4.2. any PC back to like 1st or 2nd gen will have the needed instructions. Maybe the 16 GB requirement is a bit more than some people have, but it’s not a large amount either and you can just keep using it without the AI features.


Like Bro I use Linux. I agree it’s more efficient, that’s why I said it’s better for older machines like yours.

What I don’t understand is criticising Windows over this specific new issue. It’s like hating the Nazis because they had bad interior decor, instead of the fact they committed genocide. Like it’s not even an issue, Windows has much bigger real issues.


That CPU would probably meet these requirements abd wouldn’t be affected. The normal Windows 11 requirements are a separate thing which are more demanding but can be bypassed. Though Linux is probably better anyway, especially for older machines. Itt’s requirements haven’t really changed in the last 10 years.


That CPU came out in 2009. I think things have changed since then. The Intel stagnation issue ended with Ryzen.

Not saying you should throw away your machine, but expecting it to support all features of an OS made 15 years later is unreasonable. They also aren’t saying it won’t work, just that you don’t get all features. It already is way past what Windows 11 was designed to run on (which imo was unreasonable at the time).

If you want to use 15 year old hardware then use Linux. I do anyway for other reasons, and it keeps my FX-6300 server running fine too.


It’s still a modular, repairable phone. That’s objectively different to a regular phone. Not to mention the broad support for ROMs.

I still wouldn’t buy one because of the cost, reduced performance, reduced battery life, and worse screen than other phones. It’s not worth it even if it’s upgradable as it can’t be upgraded enough to stay relevant forever anyway unlike a framework where you can plop in a new motherboard.